Game Informer posted a very interesting interview with Diablo III's Game Director Jay Wilson this past Tuesday (sorry for the delay, folks!) with a good amount of new information and interspersed opinions to keep viewers reading four straight pages. Including coverage of a recently revived discussion, PvP and griefing (see What Would Make PvP Better? and Intricacies of Diablo III Gameplay), as well as more in-depth discussion of the health orb system new to the franchise and the team's own challenge in creating a better randomized world for the new game.
The interview started off on a lighthearted note as the interviewer questioned Wilson on the backbone behind the Monk, including some classics many might be familiar with:
Official Blizzard Quote:
The biggest inspiration was fighting games. Especially on our animation team, but across the whole game, we have a big fighting game culture, bigger than any team I've ever been on. We like us some fighting games. (Laughs)
When we decided to make a character like this, we really wanted to make a fighting game character. We looked at [highlight]Street Fighter and God of War and games like that, more melee brawler-type games.[/highlight]
He then went on to discuss the focus of the Monk, specifically, from a design standpoint, as opposed to the other characters, like the Witch Doctor and Wizard:
Official Blizzard Quote:
We knew walking in that it was a more expensive character animation-wise. [highlight]This character's going to have more animations than any of our other characters, maybe more than two or three characters put together.[/highlight] But every class has a different cost associated with it. The Barbarian takes longer to iterate his skills and get it right, so we tend to have to do more versions of his skills before they really shine. The Wizard is really effects-heavy. The Witch Doctor has whole creatures that we have to build for him. Every class has their cost, so [highlight]we thought it was acceptable for the Monk to have more animation, and at least it was a very different cost than any of the other characters.[/highlight]
Damn straight my Wizard is about flashy special effects!
*Ahem.* Onwards.
Wilson went on to rehash the potion position of Diablo III, in that they will be present but will be much more limited than in previous games to encourage smooth and constant battle immersion, and even, for a fashion, told GI about the team's brief dabbling with the health regeneration system present in games like the Halo series:
Official Blizzard Quote:
One of the things that people have said is, [highlight]"What if you guys try a regeneration system? Like [...] what Halo uses?" We actually did. That's the first system that we tried. We liked that idea.[/highlight] It felt a little more realistic, even though it's not realistic. But it felt more realistic than these magical globes that fall on the ground and recover health. [highlight]The problem was that after every single fight, players just stopped. They stopped moving and waited for their health to recover. Even if they just had a little bit of damage, they waited for their health to be full again. It slowed the game down enormously.[/highlight] That's exactly the opposite of what Diablo should play like. One of the things we really attacked with this system is that it has to preserve the gameplay of Diablo. It has to make it better. If it doesn't make it better, then it's not worth doing. I found that when people actually play the new system? I can't think of anyone who's come to me and said, "I prefer the old way better."
More dynamic bosses in Diablo III have also been a concern, stemming from the monster-mashing spree of Diablo II and Diablo I which offered very little variation. Wilson says the team is planning semi-scripted bosses for Diablo III which they believe will add more replayability and, ultimately, fun to the game. He cited inspiration from games like Zelda, which any gamer worth his or her salt should know:
Official Blizzard Quote:
[...] I think Zelda has some of the best bosses. [highlight]They're simple, like Diablo bosses, but they use cool tricks to make them really interesting to fight.[/highlight] For example, they have the boss change in stages. So in stage 1, the boss does these two attacks, and it's really simple. In stage 2, it builds on that. Stage 3 builds on that again. The fight ramps up. Because the fight changes, the fact that you have to hit this guy a thousand times is not that boring, because you're having to deal with new challenges that are getting progressively harder throughout the fight. That's the philosophy we're going for, to [highlight]try and make these interesting compelling fights that don't just have the player in a battle of attrition where they see how much they can hit the boss before they run-away and regenerate health.[/highlight]
In addition to scripted-up boss battles, Wilson says that they are focusing heavily on scripting mob encounters to make for more immersive, dynamic, and interesting battles as we fight through madness-laden Sanctuary:
Official Blizzard Quote:
There are some scripted encounters in Diablo II. A lot of the big Fallen camps in the first act are pre-done encounters. Some of the bosses and things like that. [highlight]What we wanted to do was take the idea of scripted encounters -- we call them "adventures" -- we want all these events to occur that help define our world.[/highlight] If you're fighting an evil cult, we want the cult going around the world raising demons and doing bad stuff to people. You want to encounter people in the world to make the world feel more real. But how do you do that within a random world? Our goal was to take the ideas of these encounters and make them random as well.
He went on to mention that they are planning for roughly half a dozen different scripted objects and/or mobs to fill these randomly selected areas, and the interview finally turned over to griefing, an unintended by-product in Diablo II and Diablo I, and PvP, topics dear to many of our hearts:
Official Blizzard Quote:
One of the big ones is that we don't allow hostility anymore. It's just not part of the game. We had talked about all kinds of ways to introduce it and control it, but ultimately we haven't found very many people who want it. We did a survey of our users who played the game at BlizzCon. We left out survey stations so they could give us feedback about what they thought of the game and what they were excited about. [highlight]The lowest-scoring thing on the list of things they were excited about was PVP. It was around 3%.[/highlight]
I don't think that means people don't like PVP. That's not what I'm taking out of that data. But [highlight]I look at that and say, "People are probably thinking PVP like Diablo II."[/highlight] There's probably not a lot of people who really loved that part of Diablo II. There's people who love it a lot, but the majority just don't. [highlight]What we'd rather do is create a PVP game that's more inclusive of a larger audience. We want something that's a great PVP game that a lot of people in our audience can really enjoy.[/highlight]
Most importantly, we're a cooperative game first and foremost. Do no harm to the cooperative game is our prime directive. [highlight]Anything, no matter how precious it seems, that harms the cooperative game and harms the idea of strangers getting together to kill monsters, anything that harms that, we take out.[/highlight]
Wilson continued to say that Battle.net features common in other Battle.net "2.0" oriented games will be in Diablo III, like enduring friend lists and chatting across multiple Blizzard games. However, perhaps something more interesting to us as worriers of how commercialized Diablo III will become... Well, just read on and find out for yourself:
Official Blizzard Quote:
More project-specific features -- for example, [highlight]StarCraft II has the marketplace -- we don't really have an equivalent to the marketplace.[/highlight] That feature won't carry over to us. But we do have a pretty significant chunk of time allotted with the Battle.net team to focus on our own set of Battle.net features. We haven't announced any of those, but we will be doing them at some point.
Whether or not this has any correlations with the micro-transactions previously stated by Bashiok and others has yet to be seen- it may be a topic for another day. And, on a happy note, Wilson promised us that the fifth class will not be a Bard. Wonderful news, simply wonderful.
Furthermore, our Blizz Tracker caught something that may be interesting to aspiring Witch Doctor players. The following is courtesy of Daemaro:
In this post here, Bashiok talks about some of the new "summons" that the Witch Doctor has acquired, it sounds a lot like what I was hoping for.
Official Blizzard Quote:
I haven't spoken to the designers about it, so I could be way out of line, but I think the potential for passives that affect all "summoned zombies" is definitely there as there are quite a bit more of them that exist now. The gargantuan, zombie charger, wall of zombies, grasp of the dead, and then the zombie dogs of course.
I can just imagine some of these summons:
Gargantuan - Big brute tank sort of summon.
Zombie Charger - Probably has something very similar to the Barbarian skill.
Wall of Zombies - A wall of zombies...
Grasp of the Dead - Possibly zombie arms reaching up from the ground slowing enemies in the path.
Zombie Dogs - The undead puppies from the first Witch Doctor videos.
I really hope they add a spell casting summon of some sort though. Maybe some kind of Voodoo Plague Spirit or something.
What other sort of summons would you like to see?
A special thanks goes out to both Bearsman113 and Daemaro for these finds- positive reputation points make excellent awards to our vigilant members!
Well I guess taking it out was better than leaivng the grief in, but like I said, they jsutt shouldve done a sepearate world type thing that is reqular play with the option of hostility. Almsot like "Softcore" "(whateer youd call softcore with PvP)" "Hardcore" and "(hardcore with PvP).
And im liking the shaping up of the WDs summons, I was a necro man myself, let the summons rule!
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"Grasp of the Dead - Possibly zombie arms reaching up from the ground slowing enemies in the path."
Every played Super Castlevania for the SNES?
The arms come out of the ground and hold you in place til you beat them off with your whip or wiggle your character back and forth to shake free.
I like that as a skill.
Can hold some minor enemies still as you hit them with magic bombs or whatever.
Good for boos fights, Keep minor enemies at bay while you slay the boss.
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I would think grasp of the dead is like the necromancers revive skill. You know, like he ... grasps the dead... and controls them... idk, it just sounds like revive to me.
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Well Necromancers are specifically dealers with death, so reviver to make a minion sounds right, Grasp of the dead sounds like a witch doctor can up and make some crazy concauction that will summon them to their side... Idk just an idea, what it sounded like persoanlly.
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Yea I guess your right. But I wonder if they do have a revival skill, what itll be called. I hope they dont stickk to REVIVE, different class, skill needs a different name.
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Nice possibility. Maybe because of his class and type of skills, something along the line of a puppet or doll idea, like the voodoo dolls? Corpse puppet? Voodoo Puppet? Idk
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Very interesting. But I'm not entierly sure how I like the marketplace (hadn't heard of it before, just read up on it). How will something like that be included in Diablo III?
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What, the witchdoctors (wanted) revive skill? Is that what you mean? If so I would guess it could be ballanced like the necros, (assuming iy was consideed ballanced, since they siad the necro was a victum of his own success). Otherwise, what do you mean, im not sur eI understand?
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Yea cooperative play, but that doesnt mean there cant be a seperate mode for PvP like hardcore is done, then its your choice. I think it would be cool to make a world where you fight monsters untill like level 15 or so, then all your experiance is gained from PvP, depending on your level, oppo level, and other statistics, youd gain set ammount of experiance based on the challenge. It would be cool, weed really know who was some of the best PvP then as long as you have an anti-mechanic that stops from awarding exp from people who lose on purpose to level another character.
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I like that he promised the Bard is not the fifth class. That might mean that they have 2 or 3 classes right now that they are choosing from, or that they have already chosen the 5th.
Gotta love how carebear the developers are, it's kinda sad. The way they talk it doesn't even sound like they have played Diablo 1 or 2 for that matter, but if they want a co-op mainly game then have at it, enjoy your high sales day 1 then enjoy watching your game crumble cause you fail to put in adequet pvp measures for your real fan base.
Gotta love how carebear the developers are, it's kinda sad. The way they talk it doesn't even sound like they have played Diablo 1 or 2 for that matter, but if they want a co-op mainly game then have at it, enjoy your high sales day 1 then enjoy watching your game crumble cause you fail to put in adequet pvp measures for your real fan base.
hmmm, maybe you didn't see this,
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One of the big ones is that we don?t allow hostility anymore. It?s just not part of the game. We had talked about all kinds of ways to introduce it and control it, but ultimately we haven?t found very many people who want it. We did a survey of our users who played the game at BlizzCon. We left out survey stations so they could give us feedback about what they thought of the game and what they were excited about. [highlight]The lowest-scoring thing on the list of things they were excited about was PVP. It was around 3%.[/highlight]
Very interesting. But I'm not entierly sure how I like the marketplace (hadn't heard of it before, just read up on it). How will something like that be included in Diablo III?
I'm still optimistic that pvp is going to be fun. All we can really take away from this quote is that hostility won't be a part of the game. That doesn't mean that you won't be able to create special pvp games, where everyone who joins is already automatically hostile to everyone else. That way we would still have open world pvp, where you could fight another player anywhere in the game, as opposed to in a special arena only.
Of course 99% of legit pvp in D2 happened in the blood moor. Heck, even a lot of the pks I did were in the blood moor. I don't really think theres a whole lot of cooperative play in D2 anymore. Most of the open games I remember were just lowbies hoping some high level dude would join their game and rush them out of the goodness of their heart and give them free gear. "Are you here to help me?" "Oh yeah dude, check it out I hid an soj out in the blood moor go find it..." You see where this is going I hope. What I'm trying to say is there's not much of a reason to have open world pvp when 99% of pvp happens in the blood moor just for the sake of having a place to happen. For you pks, if there is an arena where pvp takes place, I'm sure you'll be able to lure newbies in there all the same by telling them theres a rare piece of gear hiding in the middle of it. Trust me, it works every time, especially when theres more than one of them because then they think its a race. "How are we supposed to get the soj when you keep killing us???"
I know pks are good for a laugh, believe me, I know, but is it the ONLY fun way to pvp in D2? I don't mean to brag, but before synergies were added (was it 1.10?) I read the patch notes and I knew what was coming. I made an assassin, named trapassassin, creative I know, with all the points in traps (I got to lvl 93 before the patch, I think). At the time, traps really sucked and I can't tell you how many people told me how stupid I was for being trapassassin. I was so stupid I also pre-made an enigma before the runeword was added to the game for trapassassin to use. Even after the patch hit, I would join a duel game and most players lined up to fight me because they thought anyone named 'trapassassin' would be an easy win. Needless to say I killed a lot of people with my traps. I know pking is fun, but my point is that it can be just as fun to surprise and destroy someone who duels you voluntarily, even if it is more of a challenge.
We've already read that the D3 development team is comitted to treating pvp better this time around. Whatever that means, I'm very confident that pvp will still be violent, bloody, brutal, and in no way what I would call 'carebear.' There are lots of ways the development team can make pvp in D3 even more fun than it was in D2, and none of them are required to involve killing weak lowbies who couldn't hurt you if they tried.
If the ONLY sort of pvp you enjoy in D2 is attacking someone significantly weaker than yourself who isn't expecting it, then maybe you won't enjoy pvp in D3. You might want to ask yourself though, what is it about a fair fight that you don't like so much?
The interview started off on a lighthearted note as the interviewer questioned Wilson on the backbone behind the Monk, including some classics many might be familiar with:
The biggest inspiration was fighting games. Especially on our animation team, but across the whole game, we have a big fighting game culture, bigger than any team I've ever been on. We like us some fighting games. (Laughs)
When we decided to make a character like this, we really wanted to make a fighting game character. We looked at [highlight]Street Fighter and God of War and games like that, more melee brawler-type games.[/highlight]
He then went on to discuss the focus of the Monk, specifically, from a design standpoint, as opposed to the other characters, like the Witch Doctor and Wizard:
We knew walking in that it was a more expensive character animation-wise. [highlight]This character's going to have more animations than any of our other characters, maybe more than two or three characters put together.[/highlight] But every class has a different cost associated with it. The Barbarian takes longer to iterate his skills and get it right, so we tend to have to do more versions of his skills before they really shine. The Wizard is really effects-heavy. The Witch Doctor has whole creatures that we have to build for him. Every class has their cost, so [highlight]we thought it was acceptable for the Monk to have more animation, and at least it was a very different cost than any of the other characters.[/highlight]
Damn straight my Wizard is about flashy special effects!
*Ahem.* Onwards.
Wilson went on to rehash the potion position of Diablo III, in that they will be present but will be much more limited than in previous games to encourage smooth and constant battle immersion, and even, for a fashion, told GI about the team's brief dabbling with the health regeneration system present in games like the Halo series:
One of the things that people have said is, [highlight]"What if you guys try a regeneration system? Like [...] what Halo uses?" We actually did. That's the first system that we tried. We liked that idea.[/highlight] It felt a little more realistic, even though it's not realistic. But it felt more realistic than these magical globes that fall on the ground and recover health. [highlight]The problem was that after every single fight, players just stopped. They stopped moving and waited for their health to recover. Even if they just had a little bit of damage, they waited for their health to be full again. It slowed the game down enormously.[/highlight] That's exactly the opposite of what Diablo should play like. One of the things we really attacked with this system is that it has to preserve the gameplay of Diablo. It has to make it better. If it doesn't make it better, then it's not worth doing. I found that when people actually play the new system? I can't think of anyone who's come to me and said, "I prefer the old way better."
More dynamic bosses in Diablo III have also been a concern, stemming from the monster-mashing spree of Diablo II and Diablo I which offered very little variation. Wilson says the team is planning semi-scripted bosses for Diablo III which they believe will add more replayability and, ultimately, fun to the game. He cited inspiration from games like Zelda, which any gamer worth his or her salt should know:
[...] I think Zelda has some of the best bosses. [highlight]They're simple, like Diablo bosses, but they use cool tricks to make them really interesting to fight.[/highlight] For example, they have the boss change in stages. So in stage 1, the boss does these two attacks, and it's really simple. In stage 2, it builds on that. Stage 3 builds on that again. The fight ramps up. Because the fight changes, the fact that you have to hit this guy a thousand times is not that boring, because you're having to deal with new challenges that are getting progressively harder throughout the fight. That's the philosophy we're going for, to [highlight]try and make these interesting compelling fights that don't just have the player in a battle of attrition where they see how much they can hit the boss before they run-away and regenerate health.[/highlight]
In addition to scripted-up boss battles, Wilson says that they are focusing heavily on scripting mob encounters to make for more immersive, dynamic, and interesting battles as we fight through madness-laden Sanctuary:
There are some scripted encounters in Diablo II. A lot of the big Fallen camps in the first act are pre-done encounters. Some of the bosses and things like that. [highlight]What we wanted to do was take the idea of scripted encounters -- we call them "adventures" -- we want all these events to occur that help define our world.[/highlight] If you're fighting an evil cult, we want the cult going around the world raising demons and doing bad stuff to people. You want to encounter people in the world to make the world feel more real. But how do you do that within a random world? Our goal was to take the ideas of these encounters and make them random as well.
He went on to mention that they are planning for roughly half a dozen different scripted objects and/or mobs to fill these randomly selected areas, and the interview finally turned over to griefing, an unintended by-product in Diablo II and Diablo I, and PvP, topics dear to many of our hearts:
One of the big ones is that we don't allow hostility anymore. It's just not part of the game. We had talked about all kinds of ways to introduce it and control it, but ultimately we haven't found very many people who want it. We did a survey of our users who played the game at BlizzCon. We left out survey stations so they could give us feedback about what they thought of the game and what they were excited about. [highlight]The lowest-scoring thing on the list of things they were excited about was PVP. It was around 3%.[/highlight]
I don't think that means people don't like PVP. That's not what I'm taking out of that data. But [highlight]I look at that and say, "People are probably thinking PVP like Diablo II."[/highlight] There's probably not a lot of people who really loved that part of Diablo II. There's people who love it a lot, but the majority just don't. [highlight]What we'd rather do is create a PVP game that's more inclusive of a larger audience. We want something that's a great PVP game that a lot of people in our audience can really enjoy.[/highlight]
Most importantly, we're a cooperative game first and foremost. Do no harm to the cooperative game is our prime directive. [highlight]Anything, no matter how precious it seems, that harms the cooperative game and harms the idea of strangers getting together to kill monsters, anything that harms that, we take out.[/highlight]
Wilson continued to say that Battle.net features common in other Battle.net "2.0" oriented games will be in Diablo III, like enduring friend lists and chatting across multiple Blizzard games. However, perhaps something more interesting to us as worriers of how commercialized Diablo III will become... Well, just read on and find out for yourself:
More project-specific features -- for example, [highlight]StarCraft II has the marketplace -- we don't really have an equivalent to the marketplace.[/highlight] That feature won't carry over to us. But we do have a pretty significant chunk of time allotted with the Battle.net team to focus on our own set of Battle.net features. We haven't announced any of those, but we will be doing them at some point.
Whether or not this has any correlations with the micro-transactions previously stated by Bashiok and others has yet to be seen- it may be a topic for another day. And, on a happy note, Wilson promised us that the fifth class will not be a Bard. Wonderful news, simply wonderful.
Furthermore, our Blizz Tracker caught something that may be interesting to aspiring Witch Doctor players. The following is courtesy of Daemaro:
In this post here, Bashiok talks about some of the new "summons" that the Witch Doctor has acquired, it sounds a lot like what I was hoping for.
I haven't spoken to the designers about it, so I could be way out of line, but I think the potential for passives that affect all "summoned zombies" is definitely there as there are quite a bit more of them that exist now. The gargantuan, zombie charger, wall of zombies, grasp of the dead, and then the zombie dogs of course.
I can just imagine some of these summons:
What other sort of summons would you like to see?
A special thanks goes out to both Bearsman113 and Daemaro for these finds- positive reputation points make excellent awards to our vigilant members!
And im liking the shaping up of the WDs summons, I was a necro man myself, let the summons rule!
Every played Super Castlevania for the SNES?
The arms come out of the ground and hold you in place til you beat them off with your whip or wiggle your character back and forth to shake free.
I like that as a skill.
Can hold some minor enemies still as you hit them with magic bombs or whatever.
Good for boos fights, Keep minor enemies at bay while you slay the boss.
That sounds wrong.
Thanks.
hmmm, maybe you didn't see this,
It said that it won't be included
Of course 99% of legit pvp in D2 happened in the blood moor. Heck, even a lot of the pks I did were in the blood moor. I don't really think theres a whole lot of cooperative play in D2 anymore. Most of the open games I remember were just lowbies hoping some high level dude would join their game and rush them out of the goodness of their heart and give them free gear. "Are you here to help me?" "Oh yeah dude, check it out I hid an soj out in the blood moor go find it..." You see where this is going I hope. What I'm trying to say is there's not much of a reason to have open world pvp when 99% of pvp happens in the blood moor just for the sake of having a place to happen. For you pks, if there is an arena where pvp takes place, I'm sure you'll be able to lure newbies in there all the same by telling them theres a rare piece of gear hiding in the middle of it. Trust me, it works every time, especially when theres more than one of them because then they think its a race. "How are we supposed to get the soj when you keep killing us???"
I know pks are good for a laugh, believe me, I know, but is it the ONLY fun way to pvp in D2? I don't mean to brag, but before synergies were added (was it 1.10?) I read the patch notes and I knew what was coming. I made an assassin, named trapassassin, creative I know, with all the points in traps (I got to lvl 93 before the patch, I think). At the time, traps really sucked and I can't tell you how many people told me how stupid I was for being trapassassin. I was so stupid I also pre-made an enigma before the runeword was added to the game for trapassassin to use. Even after the patch hit, I would join a duel game and most players lined up to fight me because they thought anyone named 'trapassassin' would be an easy win. Needless to say I killed a lot of people with my traps. I know pking is fun, but my point is that it can be just as fun to surprise and destroy someone who duels you voluntarily, even if it is more of a challenge.
We've already read that the D3 development team is comitted to treating pvp better this time around. Whatever that means, I'm very confident that pvp will still be violent, bloody, brutal, and in no way what I would call 'carebear.' There are lots of ways the development team can make pvp in D3 even more fun than it was in D2, and none of them are required to involve killing weak lowbies who couldn't hurt you if they tried.
If the ONLY sort of pvp you enjoy in D2 is attacking someone significantly weaker than yourself who isn't expecting it, then maybe you won't enjoy pvp in D3. You might want to ask yourself though, what is it about a fair fight that you don't like so much?