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    posted a message on PvP'ers vs PvM'ers
    Quote from Sythrasz

    Also, why is the guild/clan point only for PvP'ers? Makes no sense. PvM players would want just as much to form stable groups.
    Because this is not about PvM'ers? This is about PvM'ers crying about PvP'ers and what WE want to see in the game for US. Yea the function would work both ways, but it would not work in an argument for the PvM'ers.
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    posted a message on PvP'ers vs PvM'ers
    Quote from Mostrup

    Gosh, why are all PvP'ers feeling so buttfucked atm? Stop whining for god sake! You don't know what plans Blizzard has with the PvP, yet you already cry like babies. WAIT TILL THE FUCKING PVP PATCH IS RELEASED - then you can start whatever it is you're doing.

    I see myself as a PvM myself, HOWEVER I will of course play a whole bunch of PvP aswell. Just wanted to make that clear.

    I can't stop comparing PvP'ers to MW3 players with all of this whining, over and over. If you don't like the game, simply don't buy it. Go back to WoW, or develop your own fucking game.

    Cheers lads.
    Typical butthurt ignorant PvM player. Adds absolutely nothing to the conversation beyond his tears.

    Also everything we are asking for we had in Diablo 2, not WoW. Just proves how ignorant you kids are. Funny too, this is a great example of why hostile button and PK were perfect for Diablo, it was a great way to shut little kids like you guys up. When you are all safe and protected by daddy Blizzard you guys get big mouths, as soon as that goes away you guys curl up in a ball and piss yourselves.

    I think you nailed pretty much everything we really want Omega. If we want ranks and ladders we will make them ourselves like in Diablo 2.
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    posted a message on Pvp Arena Wagers
    Quote from ecutruin

    Quote from rozmata

    I believe that PvE will be probably more important than PvP in D3 but I also believe that blizzard won't penalize ppl who enjoy PvP more than PvE. To do so they will probably give some gold and some random items for wining team as it is far from gambling and anything of such. Regarding balance it won't matter as I'm quite sure that most popular matches will revolve around teams of three. With teams so huge and random balancing will be of less issue. Also they will balance ppl not based on their gear but PvP level/skill so if there is somebody with great gear who averagely win 3 matches per 10 and somebody with crap gear who win same amount of matches they may still be matched. So balance will be achieved by looking at general performance of the player. I think it may be even more fun than real balancing based on gear and character lvl (imagine killing some geared noob lvl 60 with your just so so lvl 55 ;) )

    Blizzard has already actually stated the rewards for PvP will be achievements primarily with vanity items likely making an appearance later. So, don't expect actual gear from doing PvP. You need to realize that PvP in Diablo is not some competitive eSport. Its a casual thing you do when you don't feel like smashing through more monsters. I don't think they are going to change their view on this at all.
    Im convinced you are just trolling the forums now. You can't honestly be that blind and slow. Wagering in game gold is no way hardcore, no way esports, no way illegal. It is about as hardcore and MFing, it is about as close to esports as a race to level 60, and it is about as illegal as selling any gear you MF. Got it?

    Also I am convinced you are trolling because you honestly think people play Diablo 2 to this day to only PvM ha. Look at D2JSP which OWNS and I mean OWNS Diablos economy. What are people trading for? What are people doing? They are PvPing. I cannot make this any easier for you to see beyond this. Face it, your game that you love and think is all PvM is ran by PvP. Your kind of player base has gone and left the series many many years ago, get over it. I like how you try and say people want to get better gear to make PvM easier, dude PvM is stupidly easy in Diablo, no way no how would anyone need to get perfect gear to make that shit easier. My level 9 LLD could clear the whole content.
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    posted a message on Pvp Arena Wagers
    Jack in the box nailed it. Said it in a much nicer way then I could of too. Essentially you guys saying it is illegal gambling are saying all of Diablo is illegal.
    As for esports...there is no betting in esports. There are the occasional money matches, which are completely legal by the way.
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    posted a message on [PvP] Blizzard neglecting a major part of what made Diablo, Diablo.
    Quote from Omega329

    I will say this again.
    "Balance - Not many are expecting this, actually nobody is except the PvMers useing it as a counter aurgument."
    Ha don't you love how they all ignore simple details that derail their whole argument?
    People, listen....WE DO NOT EXPECT OR NEED BALANCE, WE ALSO DO NOT EXPECT OR NEED ESPORTS SUPPORT OR MENTALITY. I don't see where you could still think we do after we have stated this over a dozen times at least in this thread alone.
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    posted a message on Pvp Arena Wagers
    Quote from ecutruin

    Actually, those that say there wouldn't be legal issues are wrong. Because of the RMAH, gold actually ends up with a real-world currency value. Second Life had a similar issue with gambling some odd years ago and eventually had to create a global restriction on any gambling due to this exact issue. If there was no RMAH there would be no issues in this regard, but because of it Blizzard would likely require gambling licenses to operate.

    As for the eSport issue...it is a valid issue. Blizzard does not want to give any impression that they support eSport PvP in Diablo 3 from what they've stated. This kind of competitive wagering being built into the game would give such an impression. I don't think its a bad idea in itself, but understanding Blizzard's intentions...its not something that would be a good move.
    Except that it doesn't give off the impression of an esport what so ever? How does it?
    Also, can you even buy gold on the RMAH?
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    posted a message on [PvP] Blizzard neglecting a major part of what made Diablo, Diablo.
    They went the PvP route by balancing both portions of the game and by giving the PvP audience some options beyond simple duels...I can see that yea sure ok.
    Just face it, you are clueless when it comes to GW and obviously have nothing to say against how they balanced both portions of the game and your beloved Blizzard cannot.

    And Ecutruin:
    It is not about the rankings. You again, pick 1 little thing to try and spin in your favor while ignoring all of the other facts. I think you nailed it on the head though, with the word casual. Blizzard is indeed making this Diablo for the casual crowd, the crowd who will easily flock to the next latest game. Shame really, the casual crowd isn't who still plays Diablo to this day. Oh well, Blizzards loss not mine.

    Valkray:
    It is not about the gear, its the fact we have no options to PvP with. Contrary to what people think, gear is not the main aspect of Diablo PvP. Also level is not either. So your point of PvPing early is pointless is incorrect and just your view.
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    posted a message on [PvP] Blizzard neglecting a major part of what made Diablo, Diablo.
    Quote from Leeodin

    Quote from VladDracul

    Quote from Leeodin

    Quote from VladDracul

    Man I wish there was a game to use as an example here...oh wait Guild Wars. I believe their PvM content remained UNHARMED and their PvP content remained dynamic....darn I wish I knew who developed that game series...oh yea EX Diablo developers...damn...must be hard to do.

    Yes and what genre of game is Guild wars? Hmm let me think?!? Oh yeah... A MMORPG!

    And besides, guild Wars PvE content wasn't that interesting because the game was largely a PvP focused game. To be honest what's considered good is subjective, but I for one found GW1 to be a pretty dull game...
    Except Guild Wars is not an MMO. It is about as much an MMO as Diablo is really. So their PvE content didn't tickle your fancy...who gives a damn? They balanced all of their classes skills for PvE and PvP, YEARS AGO. You are telling me a feat these ex employees did years ago tops what current Blizzard can do?

    GW tends to be classified as an MMO. And no. I was playing WoW at the time which had good PvE content that was updated and remained fun. GW neglected solid PvE updates to make a balanced game... This is exactly what PvE players are worried about...

    PvE content getting neglected to make a PvP game.

    Look; Let's just agree to disagree and end it. Ultimately none of this matters as I am pretty sure most of us are getting the type of game we want. If you are that upset over the direction go discuss it on the official forums in the hopes Blizz hear your input, because talking about it here is pointless.
    It is pretty simple fix really, go post elsewhere? Stay out of PvP section?
    Anyway, no GW is not classified as an MMO anywhere, GW2 is yes, but GW1 no. GW1 gets PvE updates EVERYDAY, to say they neglected PvE just shows how clueless you are. Just stop posting, you are making a fool of yourself.
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    posted a message on [PvP] Blizzard neglecting a major part of what made Diablo, Diablo.
    Quote from Leeodin

    Quote from VladDracul

    Man I wish there was a game to use as an example here...oh wait Guild Wars. I believe their PvM content remained UNHARMED and their PvP content remained dynamic....darn I wish I knew who developed that game series...oh yea EX Diablo developers...damn...must be hard to do.

    Yes and what genre of game is Guild wars? Hmm let me think?!? Oh yeah... A MMORPG!

    And besides, guild Wars PvE content wasn't that interesting because the game was largely a PvP focused game. To be honest what's considered good is subjective, but I for one found GW1 to be a pretty dull game...
    Except Guild Wars is not an MMO. It is about as much an MMO as Diablo is really. So their PvE content didn't tickle your fancy...who gives a damn? They balanced all of their classes skills for PvE and PvP, YEARS AGO. You are telling me a feat these ex employees did years ago tops what current Blizzard can do?
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    posted a message on [PvP] Blizzard neglecting a major part of what made Diablo, Diablo.
    Quote from Leeodin

    Quote from VladDracul

    First off, don't want you on PvP'ers side. Your flawed theories and blind nuthuggery would do nothing but bad for the community.
    Secondly, rankings do not require "esport" level balancing. It is a very simple K/D ratio, that is very easily implemented. Will people complain cause they suck to bad to make a strategy? Sure, but they won't complain anymore then kids who can't seem to get past Lord De seis or the lighting monsters.
    Thirdly, again we do not want Blizzard's full support. We just want the very basic tools and options we had before to where we could craft and make PvP what it should be. Instead we get this secluded arena BS that has everyones hands tied. It's like giving power to a person who doesn't want it and just lets it rot.
    AGAIN, PvP does not affect PvM anyway. I don't see how you believe it will or does, because it does not. It is very simple to code skills to work differently for PvM and PvP, it is very simple to allow duel games and non duel games, it is very simple to do everything we ask for...and yet blind nuthuggers like you seem to keep resorting to "esports" ha.

    It is not very simple. If it were very simple, they would have been able to balance it in WoW which has far less combinations than D3 does. Yes they did okay in WoW but during the PvP focus period, PvE skills and abilities were being messed with.

    And the point you keep missing; and I am going to phrase this as simply as possible; is that time and money are a limited factor.

    Time spent adding to PvP and money spent on PvP aspects (I.E paying people to design them) is time taken a way from PvE content and PvE aspects. This is fact.

    If you have a team of 20 people and send 5 of them to work on PvP full-time, that is now 15 people working on PvE. And then say they decide to go further and take another 5 away. Now you have 10 people working on each and the content comes out slower for both aspects of the game because the focus is being split.

    (Of course blizzard deals with bigger numbers, but this is still a valid point),

    Again; most of us want PvP; but we want it to be fun and jump in /jump out to compliment our PvE/PvM playing and not become it's own separate thing. As has been stated a multitude of times and different ways; go play other games if you want a competitive PvP experience.
    Man I wish there was a game to use as an example here...oh wait Guild Wars. I believe their PvM content remained UNHARMED and their PvP content remained dynamic....darn I wish I knew who developed that game series...oh yea EX Diablo developers...damn...must be hard to do.
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    posted a message on Pvp Arena Wagers
    Quote from X_Gr1m_X

    The best we can do is bet outside of the arena and trade the winner the prize.
    Except then you have to go by honor rule, which is a giant fail. You also would have to get their name and contact them to another game which is like a lot of steps to many for what it should be.
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    posted a message on Pvp Arena Wagers
    Quote from Jack in the box

    Wagering in-game gold would not be considered gambling. In-game items are not redeemable for cash and have no REAL value. That's why in the long legal stuff you have to read before installing the game it says that all in game items are Blizzards property or something like that.

    I doubt wagering would make it an Esport. I think it could make some PvP games more interesting and competitive which would be fun. It could just be one of the matchmaking options and there would be lots of games without a pot. Doing items would be overly unless its 1v1. How do you divide the items or decide which items are acceptable wagers.

    WOAH WOAH WOAH! How dare you use common sense in here! Also you are saying OPTIONS....OPTIONS ARE GOOD?! What the hell is wrong with you? Seriously people, wagering items and gold is exactly what Diablo should be about. Sad you kids who think this makes it an esport or makes it illegal gambling are the ones calling the shots ha.
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    posted a message on Arena Exploit?!
    This could push PvP to ESPORT STATUS!!!!! Seriously though, it will affect the gameplay and duels, but it's not an exploit or an overpowering mechanic.
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    posted a message on Any '1v1' dominating class?
    Quote from ScyberDragon

    you will be able to do 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, and 4v4. There is even talk about 2v1 and other custom matches. but yes, it will not be in release.
    Got a quote for this?
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    posted a message on Pvp Arena Wagers
    Quote from X_Gr1m_X

    Blizzard is never going to allow a gold or money prize for pvp. It will just turn into an Esport and it would be the center of attention in Diablo 3...which Blizzard exactly doesn't want.
    Yea totally agree, wagering in game gold for in game battle would surely catapult the game to esport status. I can see it now:
    MLG PRESENTING DIABLO 3 DUELS:
    FIRST TO 5
    ENTRY FEE: 50K GOLD
    WINNERS: 1ST PLACE - 100K 2ND PLACE - 70K 3RD PLACE - 50K

    Or maybe we can make it into EVO also!!!!!! This is hilarious how delusional you all are. Do you kids even know what makes an esport an esport?
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