Holy + bow does seem like a strange combination, not one I would be likely to play. I'm also not sure what culture in sanctuary something like that would come from. Most previous characters are based off of other real world cultures (Paladins from the Catholicism, Barbarians from the Norse, Celt and Germanic tribes, Amazons from well...) I can't personally think of any holy orders that relied heavily on archery, especially archers who were holy in orders themselves. Not to nit-pick or say it wouldn't function, just seems like a strange combination.
But bows + aura's would be a very powerful, complimentary combo. Could work it into a bard like class, party support + ranged combat. Add in a third tree for traps, melee, animal companions, illusion spells, or something else? Though I don't doubt the class would be more popular if they named it Ranger, Pathfinder or something along these lines. I'm sure someones made a post along these lines.
Personally I'd like to see some sort of a holy warrior monk, though not one which was unarmed, or had special weapons like the assassin did.
The Paladin might not come into the game as is, but rest assured there will most likely be a "Knight in Shining Armor" type of character.
I sure hope so.
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He might come back in an expansion, but they stated they would not add more then 1 character from D2 into D3, weird enough the Wizard is an exact copy of the Sorceress (in a way).
So there might be hope you'll see him return in an other form just like Necro + Druid = Witch Doctor
I'd like to see something like this done with the paladin, maybe combine him + the amazon to make a polearm/spear specialized holy class that only has 1 tree of aura's, 2 seems like a lot...
Also would be nice if you always had an aura active like a passive buff 'cast' on yourself until replaced, so you would be free to use the skills in the other trees.
(off topic= The main difference between the wizard and sorceress is one is an elementalist, while the other is more of a d&d styled mage.)
And, what's more, Diablo is Dark Fantasy, and Dark Fantasy does not usually make use of Elves or similar Light Fantasy elements.
What's more, the Paladin is not a Faerie creature, he's a holy man of the Zakarum faith.
Actually, in Blizzard lore, he was a Light Fantasy Character before he was a Dark Fantasy Character. The Paladin showed up in Warcraft 2, Dec 9, 1995, before he showed up in Diablo 2, June 29, 2000.
Thus, if you think about it, the Paladin was actually changed from a light fantasy to a dark fantasy character, thus giving precedence for any other character to be changed from light fantasy to dark fantasy and vice versa.
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the paladin is always awesome no madder what game it is....... but i will have to play with out him :'(
I do hope there will be a return of some sort of cube, or maybe a hell forge kinda idea where you combine stuff using the Hell forge and it creates new stuff
I never met a paladin in any game by Blizzard that I liked. D2, LoD, WC2, WC3, WoW, Blizzard just seems to make Paladins overpowered superheros...
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Nah, Holy and Spears don't blend well. Spears are more for agile fighters.:P
Personally I liked the holy aura/bow/spell casting idea...
Actually, in Blizzard lore, he was a Light Fantasy Character before he was a Dark Fantasy Character. The Paladin showed up in Warcraft 2, Dec 9, 1995, before he showed up in Diablo 2, June 29, 2000.
Thus, if you think about it, the Paladin was actually changed from a light fantasy to a dark fantasy character, thus giving precedence for any other character to be changed from light fantasy to dark fantasy and vice versa.
Really, it's not blizz who defines what is dark and "light" fantasy.
Everything in dark fantasy exist in light fantasy, but tne oposite do not happens. The paladin is one of those elements that exist in both. But i agree elves can take part in dark fantasy, but never ever in Diablo.
The importance of the archers and their Medieval bows and arrows grew in importance. In 1252 the 'Assize of Arms' was passed which decreed that every man between the age of 15 to 60 years old were ordered to equip themselves with a bow and arrows.
They could even still be of the Zakarum religion like the paladin. Maybe even use one handed spears + shields on occasion in their melee aspect.
No offence, but in real life there are no holy powers. They were just fighting for a religion. xD So it's not a valid argument that crusaders etc used them in their holy wars.
Because they are just common soldiers.
His point is that they used those types of weapons (spear, bow, etc), not that they had the holy powers. The idea would be that the "real life" aspect would be satisfied by using a spear, bow, etc., while the "fantasy" aspect would be satisfied by adding the holy power. This fantasy side would originate from and be justified by the "Diablo Universe," not the "Real Universe"; the Real Universe would only be referenced for justifying the weapon class choice of spear, bow, etc.
Anyway yes, my point was indeed that a crusader could have holy powers AND use a bow or spear and it make perfect sense, especially since it seems the Zakarum faith was modeled a lot after Christianity.
Reminds me of the Paragons from Guild Wars. I barely played it, and I know tha Paragons weren't that great or used that much, but I really liked playing them. For those of you that haven't played GW, Paragons used mainly javalins/shields, and had angelic party buffs. He was basically a pally/zon/barb mix, and pretty fun to play.
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Anyway yes, my point was indeed that a crusader could have holy powers AND use a bow or spear and it make perfect sense, especially since it seems the Zakarum faith was modeled a lot after Christianity.
They could even make the skill trees after what you would be in the ranks of your crusading brothers (guard, imperial army, something synonymous). It would really support the lore, but this is all if they include a crusader class :\.
It could be like Spearman, Archery, and Holy trees or something.
Spear tree could cover twohanded and some one handed spear skills incase you want to use a shield. Archer of course would be archery, and Holy tree could have a lot of auras and or magic to use if you wanted.
Paladin was my least favorite class in D2. The single class that I liked absolutely nothing about. However, I believe that too many people have played D2 just because of the Paladin class, literally, for Blizzard to ignore the concept completely in D3.
I am almost certain that the class will return in one form or the other. What I am completely certain, is that if it does return in some form, it will be much better, and improved upon.
No offence, but in real life there are no holy powers. They were just fighting for a religion. xD So it's not a valid argument that crusaders etc used [spears and bows] in their holy wars.
Because they are just common soldiers.
Yeah, I believe Daemaro was responding to my comment about the general historical culture basis for most diablo classes. I don't doubt both the weapons were used extensively throughout the crusades. No doubt those weapons would largely be used because of how easy they could be used by the peasant fodder brought along (not to suggest bows/spears don't bennefit from expert training). Personally I'd like to see a polearm/spear specialized holy warrior, I'm just not as impressed with the idea of a bow-based holy class.
Man you guys are hilarious. I've been mentioning an aura-support/ranged/shield class that would maybe be able to use a bow also for the last couple of months, and I got that idea from the Paragon.
Since people have a hard time paying attention only few people actually responded to the idea
And now when someone else comes up with a similar idea people are mentioning "hey it actually sounds like the Paragon, now here's a guy that worked like that and was fun to play, they should do it like that".
Just.. lol.
I bow down to your superior idea-making-skills. To you, all credit is due.
And I was not looking on the forums for the last couple months.
but maybe they could make auras like permenant warcries so you dont have to keep it highlighted to keep it on lol
Yeah I was thinking the same thing, make aura's buffs you cast on yourself (which then effects everyone), and until you cast a different one you keep that effect. That way you could use more of your other skills rather then trying to switch all the time, or not using any right button abilities.
But bows + aura's would be a very powerful, complimentary combo. Could work it into a bard like class, party support + ranged combat. Add in a third tree for traps, melee, animal companions, illusion spells, or something else? Though I don't doubt the class would be more popular if they named it Ranger, Pathfinder or something along these lines. I'm sure someones made a post along these lines.
Personally I'd like to see some sort of a holy warrior monk, though not one which was unarmed, or had special weapons like the assassin did.
I sure hope so.
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However, I feel like he is not.
Also would be nice if you always had an aura active like a passive buff 'cast' on yourself until replaced, so you would be free to use the skills in the other trees.
(off topic= The main difference between the wizard and sorceress is one is an elementalist, while the other is more of a d&d styled mage.)
Actually, in Blizzard lore, he was a Light Fantasy Character before he was a Dark Fantasy Character. The Paladin showed up in Warcraft 2, Dec 9, 1995, before he showed up in Diablo 2, June 29, 2000.
Thus, if you think about it, the Paladin was actually changed from a light fantasy to a dark fantasy character, thus giving precedence for any other character to be changed from light fantasy to dark fantasy and vice versa.
I never met a paladin in any game by Blizzard that I liked. D2, LoD, WC2, WC3, WoW, Blizzard just seems to make Paladins overpowered superheros...
Personally I liked the holy aura/bow/spell casting idea...
Really, it's not blizz who defines what is dark and "light" fantasy.
Everything in dark fantasy exist in light fantasy, but tne oposite do not happens. The paladin is one of those elements that exist in both. But i agree elves can take part in dark fantasy, but never ever in Diablo.
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Actually besides sword, spears and bows were most common among crusaders.
http://www.middle-ages.org.uk/bows.htm
They could even still be of the Zakarum religion like the paladin. Maybe even use one handed spears + shields on occasion in their melee aspect.
His point is that they used those types of weapons (spear, bow, etc), not that they had the holy powers. The idea would be that the "real life" aspect would be satisfied by using a spear, bow, etc., while the "fantasy" aspect would be satisfied by adding the holy power. This fantasy side would originate from and be justified by the "Diablo Universe," not the "Real Universe"; the Real Universe would only be referenced for justifying the weapon class choice of spear, bow, etc.
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Anyway yes, my point was indeed that a crusader could have holy powers AND use a bow or spear and it make perfect sense, especially since it seems the Zakarum faith was modeled a lot after Christianity.
Reminds me of the Paragons from Guild Wars. I barely played it, and I know tha Paragons weren't that great or used that much, but I really liked playing them. For those of you that haven't played GW, Paragons used mainly javalins/shields, and had angelic party buffs. He was basically a pally/zon/barb mix, and pretty fun to play.
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Hopefully something like this actually happens, though.
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Wise ElderSpear tree could cover twohanded and some one handed spear skills incase you want to use a shield. Archer of course would be archery, and Holy tree could have a lot of auras and or magic to use if you wanted.
I am almost certain that the class will return in one form or the other. What I am completely certain, is that if it does return in some form, it will be much better, and improved upon.
I bow down to your superior idea-making-skills. To you, all credit is due.
And I was not looking on the forums for the last couple months.
but its not so strange for a pally to not be in diablo lol
ya everyone having one aura would prob be just dumb
but maybe they could make auras like permenant warcries so you dont have to keep it highlighted to keep it on lol
basically like hellgate london or wow lol
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Wise ElderIt just got annoying in D2 with only 2 skills and it had to be on your right mouse.