why so poor logic? people play for years and have A LOT OF items to put them into new stash tabs) and seasonal players haven't such huge amount of items cos of time limitation) perfect game-design, thx blizzard, now i need to play the trash called season) you haven't found any adequate reasons for me to play your seasonal shit) and now i need to re-lvl, do stupid conquests)) gj)))
and casual console players got 350 from 210 for free))))))))))))
There are few things more unattractive than throwing a temper tantrum, not because something bad happened to you, but because something good happened to someone else.
Answer me this question: are you, as a non-season player, going to have less stash space as a result of this change, or exactly the same amount as you have now?
There are few things more unattractive than throwing a temper tantrum, not because something bad happened to you, but because something good happened to someone else.
Answer me this question: are you, as a non-season player, going to have less stash space as a result of this change, or exactly the same amount as you have now?
Same space, but more items to store as more builds will become playable, especially builds based on LoN. Oh, and please, don't bring up the "but there is only one build worth playing bs".
More playable builds (even if at not top-end grift ranks) is very welcome, as is the encouragement to play more of them through set dungeons, but you are left either with filling up more mules or trash your characters to play seasonal ones for 1 year straight to have a chance at obtaining the full stash because you need the room for the items.
So... It translates to less available stash space if you don't play seasons. Thank you very much.
You people complaining about this are so pathetic.First of all each and everyone of us no matter what mode gets a full tab for free.Secondly you say you have to play season for a year straight.Pull your head out of back side for once.With all the bitching about how fast you can gear up in this game,you could have that second tab in a couple weeks.That is nowhere near adding to a full year with all seasons.
Maybe put more effort into things other than crying and just maybe you might come out happier.
In a game where seasonal gameplay is identical to non-seasonal I do not see an issue with how they implemented the requirement behind unlocking the new stash space. Every player is locked behind the same gate and every player will receive the same reward considering all work put into seasonal characters rolls over to ones era account at the end of the season.
The real issue people have is they simply do not want to put in the effort required for the reward given and that is a personal problem not a problem with the system itself.
If they were asking PvE players to unlock stash in a PvP environment I would respect anyone's concern on that matter but that is not the case here. They are asking their players to put in a certain amount of effort to unlock more stash in an equal and familiar environment. They are in no way forcing era players to continue beyond the minimal requirement within that particular season.
i dont have a word to seasonal rewards. if u play season and u get rewards for it .
but a stash tab for playing season is just seems unfair. i got 2 stash character already. need more stash badly as always.after every new content patch stash issue getting bigger.
One thing you guys have to consider that I'm not seeing mentioned the entire time since the stash space was mentioned is how taxing it is to a server. Giving you 5 more tabs all at once for all the accounts is a lot of stuff to store on a server. I'm guessing it falls in line with their plans to expand their server space.
I can see the point everyone is making but I myself like to earn my rewards, that's just how it's always been in diablo.
I have no problem earning the stash space in season. However, I do like no new gear as season exclusives. I think the ladder meta, stash space, and cosmetics would be enough to justify seasons still.
If i was bliz and saw these kids crying i would take the stash tabs away and say next content patch. Talk about self entitled kids that dont want to play the game. Clean out your shit, if its non ancient and not perfectly rolled de it. Freaking horders.
I'm seeing the word "earn" appear more frequently as this drags on. So, with the spirit of "earn" imbued in my mind I offer this hypothetical. A non-seasonal journey that runs the same time period as the season.
I haven't seen it suggested so far from what I've read. This would be solely for rewards from the seasonal pool that are ubiquitous in necessity to the player. Storage or a special item but not cosmetics such as pets, portraits and tmogs. Have to maintain some semblance of exclusivity. Regardless of whichever method was used (seasonal/non-seasonal) to unlock the reward prohibits the other. Definitely too late this time around but possibly something to dwell on next time, if there is to be one.
Aside:
As a seasonal player I didn't really understand why people took umbrage with new legendary items not being placed in the non-seasonal pool when seasons were just starting. My attitude was "get over it". I know that I foolishly thought/wrote that they wanted to be handed something without "earning" it, like I would have to. Now a reward as tantalizing as more storage is being gated behind a specific "optional" game mode. Imagine the following scenario: There's going to be one more storage tab that can only be unlocked in HC mode. It's farcical but that would bother me immensely. I bet we all have a line that can be crossed similar to that.
I would roll a hc toon, hc comunity needs the people
lol - Fine. But we are going to five page disagreement on why I, and likely others, think that it's wrong to gate a stash tab in HC mode. But is that then the issue? Seasonal mode is hurting for an audience so put the carrot there? I'd assume that by now the majority would rest in seasonal mode. Not to diminish the non-seasonal folk's presence.
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will non season players eventually get the extra stash tabs available to them when seasons ends without even playing seasons ? I dont mind at all if that the case I have patients I can wait. Just that I never play seasons at all if I'm "forced" to play every season just to get the stash space them suck to be me then. Personally I dont care much to be on the ladderboard I'm not a narcissist "oh look at me I'm on the leaderboard"
i dont have a word to seasonal rewards. if u play season and u get rewards for it .
but a stash tab for playing season is just seems unfair. i got 2 stash character already. need more stash badly as always.after every new content patch stash issue getting bigger.
Well isn't it nice that now after every content patch you'll get more stash space?
first u must play season to get it.
second u already paid 2 games money to Blizz and they r not buying any hardware for servers.
Note: they can even say that '' we nerfed WW Barb because it slowing down servers'' . they r not trying to make servers better .
Your not losing anything by not playing season. No one is forcing you to play season. Dont be jelly about what other people earn. If you dont enjoy the game dont play. Nothing is free accept the price. Whining like a stuck pig about having a chance to gain something is dumb. There are bmw's for sale but require harder work to aquire then a honda, is that unfair? Do you deserve the bmw even though you can only afford the honda? Or do you put your head down tough it out work hard save up and then buy the bmw.
I'm seeing the word "earn" appear more frequently as this drags on. So, with the spirit of "earn" imbued in my mind I offer this hypothetical. A non-seasonal journey that runs the same time period as the season.
As long as the non-seasonal journey requires the same amount of effort as the seasonal version of the journey I would see no problem with this at all. It would require the following stipulations.
1. Start from scratch with no character progression, gold, materials, etc
2. Have the same completion requirements
3. Players should have access to fellow non-seasonal players to group with who are also part of this hypothetical play mode
4. All work and accruement must remain separate from ones era account until a designated time of coalescing equal to the seasonal time frame
Unfortunately at this point it is a seasonal game mode. As a seasonal player yourself I'm sure we can agree that a large potion of the effort required to earn the completion of the seasonal journey is the accruement process itself. The folks here that want to bypass that process by using their previously accrued era materials, gold, characters, etc want their tabs immediately rather than putting in the effort required of the current implementation.
I agree that forcing it behind HC for SC players would be asking them to play in a mode foreign to them. I made a previous post earlier in the thread that mentioned forcing PvE players into a PvP environment would be justifiable cause for concern. It comes back to reward being disproportionate to the amount of effort required for some folks here.
Blizzard gave the official announcement about stash tabs....
Do you mean the announcement at Blizzcon there?
If so, am I the only one who finds it remarkable that there has not been one single mention about Stash space anymore in any of the recent Blizz News about the Season Journey & Awards? One would assume that such an important thing (unarguably the most important thing) like a Stash Tab would find a mention in those announcements, if there are really still plans to implement that system....
I tend to think that they dropped this idea, if the Blizzcon announcement was really the last official statement about it. Considering the mostly devastating feedback from the community, that does seem like a realistic option to me. Anyway, we will know in a few days.
and my personal opinion to the discussion:
- Blizz obviously wants to keep as many people as possible playing Season. Because making people start the same thing over and over and over again is the only way to keep such a large community alive. I guess up to that point, nobody disagrees.
- Obviously, they feel the need to give additional incentive for Seasons, one can only guess that's because Blizz are aware that the whole system does not offer much incentive by itself.
- Now Blizz dropped the concept of seasonal legendaries because many people didn't like being forced to play Season to get new gear on time. And Blizz was bold enough there to come up with "we care about our community's input" and all that.
- At the same time, they wanna implement a new system with seasonal Stash Tabs.. which now does not only give a temporary disadvantage to non-seasonal players, but a permanent one - increasing with every Season. And more Stash Tabs are an advantage. Huge one.
>>> If someone really fails to see the idiotic irony & hypocracy in this... hopeless.
Blizzard gave the official announcement about stash tabs....
Do you mean the announcement at Blizzcon there?
If so, am I the only one who finds it remarkable that there has not been one single mention about Stash space anymore in any of the recent Blizz News about the Season Journey & Awards? One would assume that such an important thing (unarguably the most important thing) like a Stash Tab would find a mention in those announcements, if there are really still plans to implement that system....
stupid blizzard
wtf
why so poor logic? people play for years and have A LOT OF items to put them into new stash tabs) and seasonal players haven't such huge amount of items cos of time limitation) perfect game-design, thx blizzard, now i need to play the trash called season) you haven't found any adequate reasons for me to play your seasonal shit) and now i need to re-lvl, do stupid conquests)) gj)))
and casual console players got 350 from 210 for free))))))))))))
I see no mention of extra stash in any of the latest 2.4 previews.
I hope blizzard rethinks this whole "must play season to improve your UI (stash" approach.
A lot of people have ZERO interest in playing in seasons, we actually hate it.
Starting from zero is one of the most boring and annoying things in diablo 3.
There are few things more unattractive than throwing a temper tantrum, not because something bad happened to you, but because something good happened to someone else.
Answer me this question: are you, as a non-season player, going to have less stash space as a result of this change, or exactly the same amount as you have now?
Maybe put more effort into things other than crying and just maybe you might come out happier.
In a game where seasonal gameplay is identical to non-seasonal I do not see an issue with how they implemented the requirement behind unlocking the new stash space. Every player is locked behind the same gate and every player will receive the same reward considering all work put into seasonal characters rolls over to ones era account at the end of the season.
The real issue people have is they simply do not want to put in the effort required for the reward given and that is a personal problem not a problem with the system itself.
If they were asking PvE players to unlock stash in a PvP environment I would respect anyone's concern on that matter but that is not the case here. They are asking their players to put in a certain amount of effort to unlock more stash in an equal and familiar environment. They are in no way forcing era players to continue beyond the minimal requirement within that particular season.
i dont have a word to seasonal rewards. if u play season and u get rewards for it .
but a stash tab for playing season is just seems unfair. i got 2 stash character already. need more stash badly as always.after every new content patch stash issue getting bigger.
One thing you guys have to consider that I'm not seeing mentioned the entire time since the stash space was mentioned is how taxing it is to a server. Giving you 5 more tabs all at once for all the accounts is a lot of stuff to store on a server. I'm guessing it falls in line with their plans to expand their server space.
I can see the point everyone is making but I myself like to earn my rewards, that's just how it's always been in diablo.
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I have no problem earning the stash space in season. However, I do like no new gear as season exclusives. I think the ladder meta, stash space, and cosmetics would be enough to justify seasons still.
If i was bliz and saw these kids crying i would take the stash tabs away and say next content patch. Talk about self entitled kids that dont want to play the game. Clean out your shit, if its non ancient and not perfectly rolled de it. Freaking horders.
I'm just going to play for the tab with my WD Helltooth cause I like WD skill set better than the other classes!
I'm seeing the word "earn" appear more frequently as this drags on. So, with the spirit of "earn" imbued in my mind I offer this hypothetical. A non-seasonal journey that runs the same time period as the season.
I haven't seen it suggested so far from what I've read. This would be solely for rewards from the seasonal pool that are ubiquitous in necessity to the player. Storage or a special item but not cosmetics such as pets, portraits and tmogs. Have to maintain some semblance of exclusivity. Regardless of whichever method was used (seasonal/non-seasonal) to unlock the reward prohibits the other. Definitely too late this time around but possibly something to dwell on next time, if there is to be one.
Aside:
As a seasonal player I didn't really understand why people took umbrage with new legendary items not being placed in the non-seasonal pool when seasons were just starting. My attitude was "get over it". I know that I foolishly thought/wrote that they wanted to be handed something without "earning" it, like I would have to. Now a reward as tantalizing as more storage is being gated behind a specific "optional" game mode. Imagine the following scenario: There's going to be one more storage tab that can only be unlocked in HC mode. It's farcical but that would bother me immensely. I bet we all have a line that can be crossed similar to that.
"We", "Everyone" - Argumentum ad populum. "You people" - Argumentum ad hominem. "Your dumb" - Contractionem absum.
I would roll a hc toon, hc comunity needs the people
"We", "Everyone" - Argumentum ad populum. "You people" - Argumentum ad hominem. "Your dumb" - Contractionem absum.
Tab should be free for season players, 25 bucks for non season. ^.^
will non season players eventually get the extra stash tabs available to them when seasons ends without even playing seasons ? I dont mind at all if that the case I have patients I can wait. Just that I never play seasons at all if I'm "forced" to play every season just to get the stash space them suck to be me then. Personally I dont care much to be on the ladderboard I'm not a narcissist "oh look at me I'm on the leaderboard"
Please Stop making Stupid People Famous
first u must play season to get it.
second u already paid 2 games money to Blizz and they r not buying any hardware for servers.
Note: they can even say that '' we nerfed WW Barb because it slowing down servers'' . they r not trying to make servers better .
Your not losing anything by not playing season. No one is forcing you to play season. Dont be jelly about what other people earn. If you dont enjoy the game dont play. Nothing is free accept the price. Whining like a stuck pig about having a chance to gain something is dumb. There are bmw's for sale but require harder work to aquire then a honda, is that unfair? Do you deserve the bmw even though you can only afford the honda? Or do you put your head down tough it out work hard save up and then buy the bmw.
1. Start from scratch with no character progression, gold, materials, etc
2. Have the same completion requirements
3. Players should have access to fellow non-seasonal players to group with who are also part of this hypothetical play mode
4. All work and accruement must remain separate from ones era account until a designated time of coalescing equal to the seasonal time frame
Unfortunately at this point it is a seasonal game mode. As a seasonal player yourself I'm sure we can agree that a large potion of the effort required to earn the completion of the seasonal journey is the accruement process itself. The folks here that want to bypass that process by using their previously accrued era materials, gold, characters, etc want their tabs immediately rather than putting in the effort required of the current implementation.
I agree that forcing it behind HC for SC players would be asking them to play in a mode foreign to them. I made a previous post earlier in the thread that mentioned forcing PvE players into a PvP environment would be justifiable cause for concern. It comes back to reward being disproportionate to the amount of effort required for some folks here.
If so, am I the only one who finds it remarkable that there has not been one single mention about Stash space anymore in any of the recent Blizz News about the Season Journey & Awards? One would assume that such an important thing (unarguably the most important thing) like a Stash Tab would find a mention in those announcements, if there are really still plans to implement that system....
I tend to think that they dropped this idea, if the Blizzcon announcement was really the last official statement about it. Considering the mostly devastating feedback from the community, that does seem like a realistic option to me. Anyway, we will know in a few days.
and my personal opinion to the discussion:
- Blizz obviously wants to keep as many people as possible playing Season. Because making people start the same thing over and over and over again is the only way to keep such a large community alive. I guess up to that point, nobody disagrees.
- Obviously, they feel the need to give additional incentive for Seasons, one can only guess that's because Blizz are aware that the whole system does not offer much incentive by itself.
- Now Blizz dropped the concept of seasonal legendaries because many people didn't like being forced to play Season to get new gear on time. And Blizz was bold enough there to come up with "we care about our community's input" and all that.
- At the same time, they wanna implement a new system with seasonal Stash Tabs.. which now does not only give a temporary disadvantage to non-seasonal players, but a permanent one - increasing with every Season. And more Stash Tabs are an advantage. Huge one.
>>> If someone really fails to see the idiotic irony & hypocracy in this... hopeless.
There was an official clarification of the system given not even a week ago that is on the front page of this very site.