'sans-serif'>Strength through Unity, Unity through Faith. And as always, SICK prevails!! 'sans-serif'>God dude, stop it. There’s no need to add that cheesy junk to this discussion. I normally completely stay out of the SICK discussions, as I am not in it. Then I think, why aren’t I in SICK. Isn’t my opinion of the guild equally useful as anyone else’s?
'sans-serif'>One thing I noticed about SICK, and pretty much the forum in general, is no one ever demotes the useless people. You can’t build a ranking system and have it completely ineffective. Ferret preferably should completely take control since he is one of the most dedicated Diablo players. No one likes a useless leader. Just like no one likes useless admin. The organized, dedicated, articulate members need to be the higher-ups.
'sans-serif'>Elfen made another good point. Someone needs to put their foot down and say, “this is how it’s going to be, if you don’t like it, you’re out of clan”. Look at the patterns of most other guilds or clans, they have a “you must log in every 7 days to remain an active(LOG IN TO DIABLO 2 NOT THIS FORUM) member”. Something like that needs to be established. There are too many useless kiddies who are like COOOL GUILD!!!! Then invest little to no time into the guild. Get rid of them, today. Looking over the member sheet: 'sans-serif'>When is the last time anyone has seen this member contribute to the guild?
'sans-serif'>If you havn’t in the last month. Get them off the list.
'sans-serif'>You need to recruit. God, recruit. ACTUALLY recruit people. All of your members are ones that just so happen to trip over it in the forums. There is another clan I’m aware of that says “Each Officer must recruit at least 1 individual by this date: X/X/XXXX or you will be demoted”. Things like this need to be pushed. Everyone needs to contribute. Delegation is the key. Everyone sits here and blabs about the philosophies of a good guild. Stop talking about it, and start doing it. Stop whining about ineffectiveness and inactiveness of a clan for months and months. Stop being lazy and go get it fixed. I guarantee if you had an effective recruitment system, you could have 3 new members by the time the day is over. No, you’d rather act all angst and dramatize about it in the forum.
'sans-serif'>This is mainly a discussion on Diablo, and I sort of wandered off into politics of the guild. Diablo is an RPG game. You can’t use basic guild mechanics to entice people into joining. You have to prove it’s an RPG guild worth investing into. You need to create a SICK community, think of something fun. Do some competitions.
'sans-serif'>Example: 8 P.M. Eastern time July 22nd 2008, you must start a new character in hardcore mode. The first person to complete act 1 with no assistance, and no transferred equipment, gets titans.
'sans-serif'>Example: 8.P.M. Eastern time Aug 27th, you will have two teams of 3 people. The first team to have all of their members reach level 30 receives 1 HR each.
'sans-serif'>Always have someone available to rush members. Have someone available to rush someone in hell. Who in this guild has a char in soft-core that can rush in hell? Things need to be more accessible in the clan.
'sans-serif'>Why is the admission requirements tied to this forum? That’s stupid. You have to have 100 posts in the forum before even being considered as a Guild member. That’s a horrible, horrible idea. I agree with the rest of these posts. Completely rewrite that admission thread, it’s rather stupid to have such requirements. Don’t even tie it to the forum.
'sans-serif'>But, whoa did I go on and on. So to the original post of make Ferret in command of the Diablo section of the Guild. Just from my own observation, I’d say that would be a great idea.
Strength through Unity, Unity through Faith. And as always, SICK prevails!!
God dude, stop it. There’s no need to add that cheesy junk to this discussion. I normally completely stay out of the SICK discussions, as I am not in it. Then I think, why aren’t I in SICK. Isn’t my opinion of the guild equally useful as anyone else’s?
One thing I noticed about SICK, and pretty much the forum in general, is no one ever demotes the useless people. You can’t build a ranking system and have it completely ineffective. Ferret preferably should completely take control since he is one of the most dedicated Diablo players. No one likes a useless leader. Just like no one likes useless admin. The organized, dedicated, articulate members need to be the higher-ups.
Elfen made another good point. Someone needs to put their foot down and say, “this is how it’s going to be, if you don’t like it, you’re out of clan”. Look at the patterns of most other guilds or clans, they have a “you must log in every 7 days to remain an active(LOG IN TO DIABLO 2 NOT THIS FORUM) member”. Something like that needs to be established. There are too many useless kiddies who are like COOOL GUILD!!!! Then invest little to no time into the guild. Get rid of them, today. Looking over the member sheet:
When is the last time anyone has seen these members contribute to the guild?
Abimael
Ajax
Ba3kb0y
BaneofEvil
Blades11
Carloseus
Christ
Diablo Fenatic
Death Sinner
Ghostz
Jeru5
Lestater
Maverek
Mighty Crimsonskull
MijnWraak
Miss Insanity
Num3n
Shadows Wake
Thirdgradeninja
Zetiam
If you havn’t in the last month. Get them off the list.
You need to recruit. God, recruit. ACTUALLY recruit people. All of your members are ones that just so happen to trip over it in the forums. There is another clan I’m aware of that says “Each Officer must recruit at least 1 individual by this date: X/X/XXXX or you will be demoted”. Things like this need to be pushed. Everyone needs to contribute. Delegation is the key. Everyone sits here and blabs about the philosophies of a good guild. Stop talking about it, and start doing it. Stop whining about ineffectiveness and inactiveness of a clan for months and months. Stop being lazy and go get it fixed. I guarantee if you had an effective recruitment system, you could have 3 new members by the time the day is over. No, you’d rather act all angst and dramatize about it in the forum.
This is mainly a discussion on Diablo, and I sort of wandered off into politics of the guild. Diablo is an RPG game. You can’t use basic guild mechanics to entice people into joining. You have to prove it’s an RPG guild worth investing into. You need to create a SICK community, think of something fun. Do some competitions.
Example: 8 P.M. Eastern time July 22nd 2008, you must start a new character in hardcore mode. The first person to complete act 1 with no assistance, and no transferred equipment, gets titans.
Example: 8.P.M. Eastern time Aug 27th, you will have two teams of 3 people. The first team to have all of their members reach level 30 receives 1 HR each.
Always have someone available to rush members. Have someone available to rush someone in hell. Who in this guild has a char in soft-core that can rush in hell? Things need to be more accessible in the clan.
Why is the admission requirements tied to this forum? That’s stupid. You have to have 100 posts in the forum before even being considered as a Guild member. That’s a horrible, horrible idea. I agree with the rest of these posts. Completely rewrite that admission thread, it’s rather stupid to have such requirements. Don’t even tie it to the forum.
But, whoa did I go on and on. So to the original post of make Ferret in command of the Diablo section of the Guild. Just from my own observation, I’d say that would be a great idea.
Everyone needs to contribute. Delegation is the key. Everyone sits here and blabs about the philosophies of a good guild. Stop talking about it, and start doing it. Stop whining about ineffectiveness and inactiveness of a clan for months and months. Stop being lazy and go get it fixed. I guarantee if you had an effective recruitment system, you could have 3 new members by the time the day is over. No, you’d rather act all angst and dramatize about it in the forum.
See below paragraph.
This is mainly a discussion on Diablo, and I sort of wandered off into politics of the guild. Diablo is an RPG game. You can’t use basic guild mechanics to entice people into joining. You have to prove it’s an RPG guild worth investing into. You need to create a SICK community, think of something fun. Do some competitions.
Yeah, that's what we, the ones active on US West for the guild, have been trying to do for a while. Runs like crazy, getting the channel active, pushing for tagged members, rushing... The basics, yes, I know, but we are trying. The only limitation we have right now is guild politics- that's where I think you're wrong. By politics I mean that we mainly have rules that only apply to the forums, not Diablo (which should be our main focus- not the other games- since this is a Diablo series-based guild.) We also have people that, because of their schedules, cannot be active at all. Some of them are in leadership positions, some are not. I don't think this is right. Newer members are not going to be encouraged to do anything if other people aren't.
The thing is, we really can't do anything to alter the future of S.I.C.K. We can do some nifty, temporal things on Battle.net, but we need working and active legislature to fix the long-term things. Everyone is saying "The guild will pick up when Diablo III comes out- I'll be active then." The problem is now is the time to be active- now is the time to get our member base up for the imminant release so that we have a head start to ensure our dominance as a major guild from the very beginning.
And this last bit is more of a peeve, really. Can I tell you how many people have said "S.I.C.K.- what's that stand for?" And I, in turn, say, "Silver Inferno Crusading Knights." Before I can even elaborate more (and sometimes even before I spell out the acronym's definition), they say something like, "Wow, are you guys 5?"
I'm not a leader, I'm not saying I'm smart like one, but this stuff, to me, seems very obvious.
He was actually refering to WoW where each person is on there own realm and there own faction and refuses to cooperate with each other.
But we're not talking about WoW- we're talking about Ferret taking charge of the Diablo II section, so that would be irrelevant. (Not directing that at anyone in particular, but I just want to make sure we're all talking about the same thing.)
I was yes, and to a lesser extent the fact that we are even divided on LOD. Some play SC some play HC. And on the odd occassion someone plays US EAST. Despite the current rules stating US WEST as the official realm.
Yes, you arn't talking about WoW. But when an clan is in multiple games, what happens in one game will affect everyone, whether you play, or even like that game.
We do not just play D2, so why would a more generalised, universal set of rules (made by Ferret) be that much of a bad thing. I am sure many of the rule he would inevitably make for d2, would be applicable to WOW, WCIII, GW, or any other game we might like to play.
The first post is asking that Ferret be enstated as officiator of the DIABLO II section of the clan. In DIABLO II, we're already all on US West Softcore Ladder. This discussion has nothing to do with WoW. If you're having trouble with WoW (not you Link, since you're not in SICK), don't bring its discussion in here, because this is strictly about DIABLO II.
As I mentioned earlier in this post, a lot of us play US WEST Hardcore, and only US WEST Hardcore. This would seem in stark contrast to your point.
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God dude, stop it. There’s no need to add that cheesy junk to this discussion. I normally completely stay out of the SICK discussions, as I am not in it. Then I think, why aren’t I in SICK. Isn’t my opinion of the guild equally useful as anyone else’s?
One thing I noticed about SICK, and pretty much the forum in general, is no one ever demotes the useless people. You can’t build a ranking system and have it completely ineffective. Ferret preferably should completely take control since he is one of the most dedicated Diablo players. No one likes a useless leader. Just like no one likes useless admin. The organized, dedicated, articulate members need to be the higher-ups.
Elfen made another good point. Someone needs to put their foot down and say, “this is how it’s going to be, if you don’t like it, you’re out of clan”. Look at the patterns of most other guilds or clans, they have a “you must log in every 7 days to remain an active(LOG IN TO DIABLO 2 NOT THIS FORUM) member”. Something like that needs to be established. There are too many useless kiddies who are like COOOL GUILD!!!! Then invest little to no time into the guild. Get rid of them, today. Looking over the member sheet:
When is the last time anyone has seen these members contribute to the guild?
Abimael Ajax
Ba3kb0y
BaneofEvil
Blades11
Carloseus
Christ
Diablo Fenatic
Death Sinner
Ghostz
Jeru5
Lestater
Maverek
Mighty Crimsonskull
MijnWraak
Miss Insanity
Num3n
Shadows Wake
Thirdgradeninja
Zetiam
If you havn’t in the last month. Get them off the list.
Just wanted to let you know that Ajax is in the army. So when can expect sparatic appearances by him. However, when he is on, he is a phenomenal player on Starcraft broodwar, d2, and guild wars.
Carloseus is not part of SICK anymore.
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and magistrate has a valid point. we are only talking about Diablo 2, please lets leave WoW out of this.
and stop beating around the bush.
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We gotta make a change...
It's time for us as a people to start makin' some changes.
Let's change the way we eat, let's change the way we live
and let's change the way we treat each other.
You see the old way wasn't working so it's on us to do
what we gotta do, to survive. Tupac Shakur
100% Legit baal runners SICK_Bambi 93 Barb (46th barb)
SICK_Paladin 95 Necromancer (12th necro)
SICK_ferret 95 Assassin (10th sin) ~~us West Ladder~~
I was yes, and to a lesser extent the fact that we are even divided on LOD. Some play SC some play HC. And on the odd occassion someone plays US EAST. Despite the current rules stating US WEST as the official realm.
I'm not saying that's what you're talking about, I'm saying that WOW is not what this thread is about, and it isn't what we're saying should change. We're asking for rules or fixing or whatever of our guild as it relates to Diablo II, not WoW.
I agree with Bambi on this. We could get a ton of new recruits all the time, but the restrictions put on newcomers prevents that. Giving all D2 say to Ferret will make things better in my opinion.
i think we need to find middle ground. and yes. there are need of new recruits. and i have tryed to recruit people from diablo 2 a couple times. and they ask some questions that are interesting. like "what do i benifit from joining?" and stuff like that. and the whole explaining the go to this site and join and get 100 posts. they "to me" feel to much work just to join.
I agree, things have been very...stagnant lately, we do need "fresh meat". Ferret is a logical choice, he is on frequently as are Winston and Bambi, and they are all doing quite well on the ladder.
If not comfortable with one person, maybe have a triumverate (Ferret, Winston & Bambi) over SICK. Everytime I log on to LoD one if not all three (and a few others as well) are on and are always willing to help you out.
how he does it is on him, i trust ferret 100% and i know he will do what is best for the diablo 2 players.
See the boldface phrases/words.
This is supposed to be about Diablo II- you people keep trying to make it about WoW. I see where your hearts lie.
Just wanted to let you know that Ajax is in the army. So when can expect sparatic appearances by him. However, when he is on, he is a phenomenal player on Starcraft broodwar, d2, and guild wars.
Carloseus is not part of SICK anymore.
That still leaves 18 unaccounted for, unless I'm mistaken.
What we have is a guild dedicated to multiple games, and on the forums, this works well. I know pretty much everyone here, and even if I don't straight reply to everything written, I see a lot of different opinions of individuals that contribute to SICK which indicate that people do spend time thinking about various subjects. I have not however, seen a lot of people on B.Net for D2. Are these people active in other games? Do they participate with the others that play in those same games?
My thoughts are not revolutionary, but would represent a flexible way to increase membership base to a certain extent. It really should not be this hard for a guild hosted on a site like this to amass one full game of D2. It should also be a lot easier to play on one realm of WoW to a little extent.
My ideas for D2 could be summarized as such:
In game, seperated from the overall Roster, appearance and activity will be rewarded by getting more pitch in the decision making that would affect D2. I can understand that a person has an opinion, but if he or she does not play D2, then he should not be contributing on a large scale that could potentially tie up players who do play, or should that be different?
Along the lines of the overall requirement to join SICK, it should be made easier for the person who wants to join as well as the person consulting him or her. A nice way of advertising SICK on D2 is to run Chaos, Baals or even to be nice to people who ask questions. When a desire sprouts to join SICK however, a lot of the time people are turned back by the stuff that needs to be done first. This ends up be contraproductive to expand the SICK presence on D2 at least, although I can picture similar effects on other games.
The way to make it easier could be for example allowing people to join even ingame. What would set "New Members" apart from the "Established Members" is that they be tied to the lowest rank in SICK (below established members) until they have joined the guild on these forums. They would get no voice on matters affecting SICK as a whole, whereas ingame they are encouraged to become part of the team and feel comfortable being with us. Members who are truly enjoying the group on D2 will be reminded in healthy portions that we have forums, and the guild extends beyond what they see ingame. Curiosity and remembering that they enjoy the presence of other SICK members are more likely to make them sign up officially than going straight to them and telling them to create an account here and post a 100 times.
We are not a group that hands out free items every chance we get, nor is it our responsibility to rush anyone who is SICK. An increased membership on D2 however could change this; rushes, competitions and even other form of rewards are more likely if we have more members to pull through with it. More importantly, it will come more natural and be fun even for those giving. We are however far from this situation with numbers as low as they are on D2.
Similar things can be done on WoW for sure, and probably a lot of other games as well. With more people playing games together, recruitment could snowball higher for a while, leading more people to this site and SICK than now. People could find out about this place without ever having intended on googeling Diablo3. Most importantly however, all of us will have yet another chance with each recruitee to find another ingame friend to help amplify the main reason for all of this: enjoy what you do and enjoy the people who are likeminded by bringing them together.
That would be a rough description of a few things I would seriously discuss and consider. Expand the ideas, point out flaws and ask questions as needed. At the very least, we need to come up with a way to allow for individual decisions made for individual games by those who play it while maintaining the integity of SICK.
-Ferret
The 2 Paragraphs i made RED above are great. I've always been open for ideas. I have no problem with Ferret Making the entry/guild req's. In game recruiting is prob the BEST way to recruit players because they are active in game, currently know the game economy, and know how to play the game already. As opposed to guild recruiting through the forums where anyone who has spent a few months on the forum and have met a post limit can join. These people may/may not be active in game and may not even have a solid understanding of the game.
My d2 time will be picking up again here as my work schedule is back to normal and my fiance is working again(giving me much more free time since we live together) I plan to be on most likely this weekend to be getting back into the swing of things after about a 2 month break.
I have no problem with Ferret leading the d2 us west softcore realm as he obviously is qualified and has the support for it. He is ranked highly in guild as well already. So then let it be done. I will take the HC posiition myself as when i start to play i usually pull 4-5 members my way into the realm of HC. I know 3 already who will come play hc west again.
All Softcore d2 members report to Ferret from now on.
Since Ferret already hold rank over the majority of the members this leaves is no paper work to be done for Elfen. Also Ferret You have been elected as Keeper of the rules. So over the next few days you can shoot ideas back and forth to members and officers for feedback and thoughts until you can come up with the final draft.
God dude, stop it. There’s no need to add that cheesy junk to this discussion. I normally completely stay out of the SICK discussions, as I am not in it. Then I think, why aren’t I in SICK. Isn’t my opinion of the guild equally useful as anyone else’s?
One thing I noticed about SICK, and pretty much the forum in general, is no one ever demotes the useless people. You can’t build a ranking system and have it completely ineffective. Ferret preferably should completely take control since he is one of the most dedicated Diablo players. No one likes a useless leader. Just like no one likes useless admin. The organized, dedicated, articulate members need to be the higher-ups.
Elfen made another good point. Someone needs to put their foot down and say, “this is how it’s going to be, if you don’t like it, you’re out of clan”. Look at the patterns of most other guilds or clans, they have a “you must log in every 7 days to remain an active(LOG IN TO DIABLO 2 NOT THIS FORUM) member”. Something like that needs to be established. There are too many useless kiddies who are like COOOL GUILD!!!! Then invest little to no time into the guild. Get rid of them, today. Looking over the member sheet:
When is the last time anyone has seen these members contribute to the guild?
Abimael
Ajax
Ba3kb0y
BaneofEvil
Blades11
Carloseus
Christ
Diablo Fenatic Death Sinner
Ghostz
Jeru5
Lestater
Maverek
Mighty Crimsonskull
MijnWraak
Miss Insanity
Num3n
Shadows Wake
Thirdgradeninja
Zetiam
If you havn’t in the last month. Get them off the list.
You need to recruit. God, recruit. ACTUALLY recruit people. All of your members are ones that just so happen to trip over it in the forums. There is another clan I’m aware of that says “Each Officer must recruit at least 1 individual by this date: X/X/XXXX or you will be demoted”. Things like this need to be pushed. Everyone needs to contribute. Delegation is the key. Everyone sits here and blabs about the philosophies of a good guild. Stop talking about it, and start doing it. Stop whining about ineffectiveness and inactiveness of a clan for months and months. Stop being lazy and go get it fixed. I guarantee if you had an effective recruitment system, you could have 3 new members by the time the day is over. No, you’d rather act all angst and dramatize about it in the forum.
This is mainly a discussion on Diablo, and I sort of wandered off into politics of the guild. Diablo is an RPG game. You can’t use basic guild mechanics to entice people into joining. You have to prove it’s an RPG guild worth investing into. You need to create a SICK community, think of something fun. Do some competitions.
Example: 8 P.M. Eastern time July 22nd 2008, you must start a new character in hardcore mode. The first person to complete act 1 with no assistance, and no transferred equipment, gets titans.
Example: 8.P.M. Eastern time Aug 27th, you will have two teams of 3 people. The first team to have all of their members reach level 30 receives 1 HR each.
Always have someone available to rush members. Have someone available to rush someone in hell. Who in this guild has a char in soft-core that can rush in hell? Things need to be more accessible in the clan.
Why is the admission requirements tied to this forum? That’s stupid. You have to have 100 posts in the forum before even being considered as a Guild member. That’s a horrible, horrible idea. I agree with the rest of these posts. Completely rewrite that admission thread, it’s rather stupid to have such requirements. Don’t even tie it to the forum.
But, whoa did I go on and on. So to the original post of make Ferret in command of the Diablo section of the Guild. Just from my own observation, I’d say that would be a great idea.
Yes you may not see me contribute on these forums.. but im a great "Contributer" On Diablo 2.. im just as much as Ferret, Winston, Magi, Bambi.. ( not implying anything..)
But i defiantly agree with this guy.. you need 2 be able 2 recruit and with the strict rules you have on recruiting it actually scares ppl away!.. for Examples sake here.. we where chaosin some ppl and they asked if they could join sick and the whole Forum Recruiting sheet scared them away
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hmmm. im going to throw a couple ideas i had while reading the posts on this page above.
while reading ferrets post i thought yes it would be a good idea advertising for chaos/baal runs. also, i havent looked at the guild rules on this yet. but maybe make a bot runner that could run the games. which would be easyer to advertise sick then a member actually going through many runs a day and type the advertisement. (im willing to get a hammerdin and run the bot program myself if people dont want to do it)
also while reading ferrets post. i know we sometimes have a channel bot on there. (no knowledge of bots period.) but is it possible to make some kind of time sheet for it. to show when members join the channel that it makes a record that they entered channel at x time. and left at y time.(problem with this would be people could just log on and log off and it would say there active)
and finnally silvers post. where he made a comment on ferret running us west sc, and he would run us west hc. i myself thought that this could be good. and (what i am about to say could end up on dividing the guild a bit) possablly make other leaders for other games or realms. ex. wow leader on azeroth, gw leader, etc. its not really splitting the guild apart like how we used to have leagions. its just saying that in this realm. this player has the most experience in this area. and just becasue you would play in that realm doesnt mean you could go into different realms. (ex. ill play mostly hc. but if i went into sc then i could still play without getting bashed at)
this could help if people have problem understanding stuff in the field of play.
also while reading ferrets post. i know we sometimes have a channel bot on there. (no knowledge of bots period.) but is it possible to make some kind of time sheet for it. to show when members join the channel that it makes a record that they entered channel at x time. and left at y time.(problem with this would be people could just log on and log off and it would say there active)
Yes, our bots keep logs in a folder. We'd just have to Ctrl+F with accounts to check if they logged in and out.
hm, necro i thought about the bot idea, but i never said anything, but if ppl are kool with it.
ill put in on it gear wise.
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We gotta make a change...
It's time for us as a people to start makin' some changes.
Let's change the way we eat, let's change the way we live
and let's change the way we treat each other.
You see the old way wasn't working so it's on us to do
what we gotta do, to survive. Tupac Shakur
100% Legit baal runners SICK_Bambi 93 Barb (46th barb)
SICK_Paladin 95 Necromancer (12th necro)
SICK_ferret 95 Assassin (10th sin) ~~us West Ladder~~
hmmm. im going to throw a couple ideas i had while reading the posts on this page above.
while reading ferrets post i thought yes it would be a good idea advertising for chaos/baal runs. also, i havent looked at the guild rules on this yet. but maybe make a bot runner that could run the games. which would be easyer to advertise sick then a member actually going through many runs a day and type the advertisement. (im willing to get a hammerdin and run the bot program myself if people dont want to do it)
also while reading ferrets post. i know we sometimes have a channel bot on there. (no knowledge of bots period.) but is it possible to make some kind of time sheet for it. to show when members join the channel that it makes a record that they entered channel at x time. and left at y time.(problem with this would be people could just log on and log off and it would say there active)
Ummmm if you haven't noticed ferret is actually againest using bots to mf/lvl/chaos/baal/leach.. so im guessing he would have to say no to a chaosing/baaling/advertiseing bot.. what he meant by doing that was that we run chaos to lvl eachother all the time and ppl say things like.. "wow you guys are kool.. can i join sick?" i believe thats what he meant any way.. Once again this is just in my opinion :thumbsup:
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but hey guys what is this clan SICK u are talking about/ what is it for i was just wondering u don't have to reply to me i understand if its suppose to be secretive or what ever
If it was secretive we wouldn't have a whole openly viewable forum for it. If you read anything in here at all you would know it's a guild(clan), specifically for Blizzard games, and why did you post this where you know it's off topic, which is against the rules? There's other threads in this forum that it wouldn't have been off topic in.
If it was secretive we wouldn't have a whole openly viewable forum for it. If you read anything in here at all you would know it's a guild(clan), specifically for Blizzard games, and why did you post this where you know it's off topic, which is against the rules? There's other threads in this forum that it wouldn't have been off topic in.
well send it via private messege. so its not off topic. (sorry for being off topic just wanted to tell him that not via pm lol:offtopic:)
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Ummmm if you haven't noticed ferret is actually againest using bots to mf/lvl/chaos/baal/leach.. so im guessing he would have to say no to a chaosing/baaling/advertiseing bot.. what he meant by doing that was that we run chaos to lvl eachother all the time and ppl say things like.. "wow you guys are kool.. can i join sick?" i believe thats what he meant any way.. Once again this is just in my opinion :thumbsup:
ok i didnt know ferret was agianst it. and i never said he had to do the bot. i know that bambi and winston are also good runners of both chaos and baal. if they dont want to use a bot then thats fine.
my point was that you would have to go through this daily and could get tiresome. and the bot could say a messege faster then a person typing it. (once agian. no konwlegde of how bots work)
Well, Winston does get my commendation as the only Chaos runner I've ever seen who actually kills all the guys at the back, so when the runner says "1 screen back" there are so many enemies, you can't stay one screen back.
Anyway, as for a new, dynamic change, I'm all for it. As for specifics, well, I'm all for them, just not with me in charge of them
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'sans-serif'>Strength through Unity, Unity through Faith. And as always, SICK prevails!!
'sans-serif'>God dude, stop it. There’s no need to add that cheesy junk to this discussion. I normally completely stay out of the SICK discussions, as I am not in it. Then I think, why aren’t I in SICK. Isn’t my opinion of the guild equally useful as anyone else’s?
'sans-serif'>One thing I noticed about SICK, and pretty much the forum in general, is no one ever demotes the useless people. You can’t build a ranking system and have it completely ineffective. Ferret preferably should completely take control since he is one of the most dedicated Diablo players. No one likes a useless leader. Just like no one likes useless admin. The organized, dedicated, articulate members need to be the higher-ups.
'sans-serif'>Elfen made another good point. Someone needs to put their foot down and say, “this is how it’s going to be, if you don’t like it, you’re out of clan”. Look at the patterns of most other guilds or clans, they have a “you must log in every 7 days to remain an active(LOG IN TO DIABLO 2 NOT THIS FORUM) member”. Something like that needs to be established. There are too many useless kiddies who are like COOOL GUILD!!!! Then invest little to no time into the guild. Get rid of them, today. Looking over the member sheet:
'sans-serif'>When is the last time anyone has seen this member contribute to the guild?
'sans-serif'>Abimael
'sans-serif'>Ajax
'sans-serif'>Ba3kb0y
'sans-serif'>BaneofEvil
'sans-serif'>Blades11
'sans-serif'>Carloseus
'sans-serif'>Christ
'sans-serif'>Diablo Fenatic
'sans-serif'>Death Sinner
'sans-serif'>Ghostz
'sans-serif'>Jeru5
'sans-serif'>Lestater
'sans-serif'>Maverek
'sans-serif'>Mighty Crimsonskull
'sans-serif'>MijnWraak
'sans-serif'>Miss Insanity
'sans-serif'>Num3n
'sans-serif'>Shadows Wake
'sans-serif'>Thirdgradeninja
'sans-serif'>Zetiam
'sans-serif'>If you havn’t in the last month. Get them off the list.
'sans-serif'>You need to recruit. God, recruit. ACTUALLY recruit people. All of your members are ones that just so happen to trip over it in the forums. There is another clan I’m aware of that says “Each Officer must recruit at least 1 individual by this date: X/X/XXXX or you will be demoted”. Things like this need to be pushed. Everyone needs to contribute. Delegation is the key. Everyone sits here and blabs about the philosophies of a good guild. Stop talking about it, and start doing it. Stop whining about ineffectiveness and inactiveness of a clan for months and months. Stop being lazy and go get it fixed. I guarantee if you had an effective recruitment system, you could have 3 new members by the time the day is over. No, you’d rather act all angst and dramatize about it in the forum.
'sans-serif'>This is mainly a discussion on Diablo, and I sort of wandered off into politics of the guild. Diablo is an RPG game. You can’t use basic guild mechanics to entice people into joining. You have to prove it’s an RPG guild worth investing into. You need to create a SICK community, think of something fun. Do some competitions.
'sans-serif'>Example: 8 P.M. Eastern time July 22nd 2008, you must start a new character in hardcore mode. The first person to complete act 1 with no assistance, and no transferred equipment, gets titans.
'sans-serif'>Example: 8.P.M. Eastern time Aug 27th, you will have two teams of 3 people. The first team to have all of their members reach level 30 receives 1 HR each.
'sans-serif'>Always have someone available to rush members. Have someone available to rush someone in hell. Who in this guild has a char in soft-core that can rush in hell? Things need to be more accessible in the clan.
'sans-serif'>Why is the admission requirements tied to this forum? That’s stupid. You have to have 100 posts in the forum before even being considered as a Guild member. That’s a horrible, horrible idea. I agree with the rest of these posts. Completely rewrite that admission thread, it’s rather stupid to have such requirements. Don’t even tie it to the forum.
'sans-serif'>But, whoa did I go on and on. So to the original post of make Ferret in command of the Diablo section of the Guild. Just from my own observation, I’d say that would be a great idea.
God dude, stop it. There’s no need to add that cheesy junk to this discussion. I normally completely stay out of the SICK discussions, as I am not in it. Then I think, why aren’t I in SICK. Isn’t my opinion of the guild equally useful as anyone else’s?
One thing I noticed about SICK, and pretty much the forum in general, is no one ever demotes the useless people. You can’t build a ranking system and have it completely ineffective. Ferret preferably should completely take control since he is one of the most dedicated Diablo players. No one likes a useless leader. Just like no one likes useless admin. The organized, dedicated, articulate members need to be the higher-ups.
Elfen made another good point. Someone needs to put their foot down and say, “this is how it’s going to be, if you don’t like it, you’re out of clan”. Look at the patterns of most other guilds or clans, they have a “you must log in every 7 days to remain an active(LOG IN TO DIABLO 2 NOT THIS FORUM) member”. Something like that needs to be established. There are too many useless kiddies who are like COOOL GUILD!!!! Then invest little to no time into the guild. Get rid of them, today. Looking over the member sheet:
When is the last time anyone has seen these members contribute to the guild?
Abimael
Ajax
Ba3kb0y
BaneofEvil
Blades11
Carloseus
Christ
Diablo Fenatic
Death Sinner
Ghostz
Jeru5
Lestater
Maverek
Mighty Crimsonskull
MijnWraak
Miss Insanity
Num3n
Shadows Wake
Thirdgradeninja
Zetiam
If you havn’t in the last month. Get them off the list.
You need to recruit. God, recruit. ACTUALLY recruit people. All of your members are ones that just so happen to trip over it in the forums. There is another clan I’m aware of that says “Each Officer must recruit at least 1 individual by this date: X/X/XXXX or you will be demoted”. Things like this need to be pushed. Everyone needs to contribute. Delegation is the key. Everyone sits here and blabs about the philosophies of a good guild. Stop talking about it, and start doing it. Stop whining about ineffectiveness and inactiveness of a clan for months and months. Stop being lazy and go get it fixed. I guarantee if you had an effective recruitment system, you could have 3 new members by the time the day is over. No, you’d rather act all angst and dramatize about it in the forum.
This is mainly a discussion on Diablo, and I sort of wandered off into politics of the guild. Diablo is an RPG game. You can’t use basic guild mechanics to entice people into joining. You have to prove it’s an RPG guild worth investing into. You need to create a SICK community, think of something fun. Do some competitions.
Example: 8 P.M. Eastern time July 22nd 2008, you must start a new character in hardcore mode. The first person to complete act 1 with no assistance, and no transferred equipment, gets titans.
Example: 8.P.M. Eastern time Aug 27th, you will have two teams of 3 people. The first team to have all of their members reach level 30 receives 1 HR each.
Always have someone available to rush members. Have someone available to rush someone in hell. Who in this guild has a char in soft-core that can rush in hell? Things need to be more accessible in the clan.
Why is the admission requirements tied to this forum? That’s stupid. You have to have 100 posts in the forum before even being considered as a Guild member. That’s a horrible, horrible idea. I agree with the rest of these posts. Completely rewrite that admission thread, it’s rather stupid to have such requirements. Don’t even tie it to the forum.
But, whoa did I go on and on. So to the original post of make Ferret in command of the Diablo section of the Guild. Just from my own observation, I’d say that would be a great idea.
See below paragraph.
Yeah, that's what we, the ones active on US West for the guild, have been trying to do for a while. Runs like crazy, getting the channel active, pushing for tagged members, rushing... The basics, yes, I know, but we are trying. The only limitation we have right now is guild politics- that's where I think you're wrong. By politics I mean that we mainly have rules that only apply to the forums, not Diablo (which should be our main focus- not the other games- since this is a Diablo series-based guild.) We also have people that, because of their schedules, cannot be active at all. Some of them are in leadership positions, some are not. I don't think this is right. Newer members are not going to be encouraged to do anything if other people aren't.
The thing is, we really can't do anything to alter the future of S.I.C.K. We can do some nifty, temporal things on Battle.net, but we need working and active legislature to fix the long-term things. Everyone is saying "The guild will pick up when Diablo III comes out- I'll be active then." The problem is now is the time to be active- now is the time to get our member base up for the imminant release so that we have a head start to ensure our dominance as a major guild from the very beginning.
And this last bit is more of a peeve, really. Can I tell you how many people have said "S.I.C.K.- what's that stand for?" And I, in turn, say, "Silver Inferno Crusading Knights." Before I can even elaborate more (and sometimes even before I spell out the acronym's definition), they say something like, "Wow, are you guys 5?"
I'm not a leader, I'm not saying I'm smart like one, but this stuff, to me, seems very obvious.
I was yes, and to a lesser extent the fact that we are even divided on LOD. Some play SC some play HC. And on the odd occassion someone plays US EAST. Despite the current rules stating US WEST as the official realm.
We do not just play D2, so why would a more generalised, universal set of rules (made by Ferret) be that much of a bad thing. I am sure many of the rule he would inevitably make for d2, would be applicable to WOW, WCIII, GW, or any other game we might like to play.
As I mentioned earlier in this post, a lot of us play US WEST Hardcore, and only US WEST Hardcore. This would seem in stark contrast to your point.
Carloseus is not part of SICK anymore.
awsome.
and magistrate has a valid point. we are only talking about Diablo 2, please lets leave WoW out of this.
and stop beating around the bush.
It's time for us as a people to start makin' some changes.
Let's change the way we eat, let's change the way we live
and let's change the way we treat each other.
You see the old way wasn't working so it's on us to do
what we gotta do, to survive.
Tupac Shakur
100% Legit baal runners
SICK_Bambi 93 Barb (46th barb)
SICK_Paladin 95 Necromancer (12th necro)
SICK_ferret 95 Assassin (10th sin)
~~us West Ladder~~
See the boldface phrases/words.
This is supposed to be about Diablo II- you people keep trying to make it about WoW. I see where your hearts lie.
That still leaves 18 unaccounted for, unless I'm mistaken.
The 2 Paragraphs i made RED above are great. I've always been open for ideas. I have no problem with Ferret Making the entry/guild req's. In game recruiting is prob the BEST way to recruit players because they are active in game, currently know the game economy, and know how to play the game already. As opposed to guild recruiting through the forums where anyone who has spent a few months on the forum and have met a post limit can join. These people may/may not be active in game and may not even have a solid understanding of the game.
My d2 time will be picking up again here as my work schedule is back to normal and my fiance is working again(giving me much more free time since we live together) I plan to be on most likely this weekend to be getting back into the swing of things after about a 2 month break.
I have no problem with Ferret leading the d2 us west softcore realm as he obviously is qualified and has the support for it. He is ranked highly in guild as well already. So then let it be done. I will take the HC posiition myself as when i start to play i usually pull 4-5 members my way into the realm of HC. I know 3 already who will come play hc west again.
All Softcore d2 members report to Ferret from now on.
Since Ferret already hold rank over the majority of the members this leaves is no paper work to be done for Elfen. Also Ferret You have been elected as Keeper of the rules. So over the next few days you can shoot ideas back and forth to members and officers for feedback and thoughts until you can come up with the final draft.
-SILVER-
Yes you may not see me contribute on these forums.. but im a great "Contributer" On Diablo 2.. im just as much as Ferret, Winston, Magi, Bambi.. ( not implying anything..)
But i defiantly agree with this guy.. you need 2 be able 2 recruit and with the strict rules you have on recruiting it actually scares ppl away!.. for Examples sake here.. we where chaosin some ppl and they asked if they could join sick and the whole Forum Recruiting sheet scared them away
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while reading ferrets post i thought yes it would be a good idea advertising for chaos/baal runs. also, i havent looked at the guild rules on this yet. but maybe make a bot runner that could run the games. which would be easyer to advertise sick then a member actually going through many runs a day and type the advertisement. (im willing to get a hammerdin and run the bot program myself if people dont want to do it)
also while reading ferrets post. i know we sometimes have a channel bot on there. (no knowledge of bots period.) but is it possible to make some kind of time sheet for it. to show when members join the channel that it makes a record that they entered channel at x time. and left at y time.(problem with this would be people could just log on and log off and it would say there active)
and finnally silvers post. where he made a comment on ferret running us west sc, and he would run us west hc. i myself thought that this could be good. and (what i am about to say could end up on dividing the guild a bit) possablly make other leaders for other games or realms. ex. wow leader on azeroth, gw leader, etc. its not really splitting the guild apart like how we used to have leagions. its just saying that in this realm. this player has the most experience in this area. and just becasue you would play in that realm doesnt mean you could go into different realms. (ex. ill play mostly hc. but if i went into sc then i could still play without getting bashed at)
this could help if people have problem understanding stuff in the field of play.
Yes, our bots keep logs in a folder. We'd just have to Ctrl+F with accounts to check if they logged in and out.
ill put in on it gear wise.
It's time for us as a people to start makin' some changes.
Let's change the way we eat, let's change the way we live
and let's change the way we treat each other.
You see the old way wasn't working so it's on us to do
what we gotta do, to survive.
Tupac Shakur
100% Legit baal runners
SICK_Bambi 93 Barb (46th barb)
SICK_Paladin 95 Necromancer (12th necro)
SICK_ferret 95 Assassin (10th sin)
~~us West Ladder~~
Ummmm if you haven't noticed ferret is actually againest using bots to mf/lvl/chaos/baal/leach.. so im guessing he would have to say no to a chaosing/baaling/advertiseing bot.. what he meant by doing that was that we run chaos to lvl eachother all the time and ppl say things like.. "wow you guys are kool.. can i join sick?" i believe thats what he meant any way.. Once again this is just in my opinion :thumbsup:
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well send it via private messege. so its not off topic. (sorry for being off topic just wanted to tell him that not via pm lol:offtopic:)
ok i didnt know ferret was agianst it. and i never said he had to do the bot. i know that bambi and winston are also good runners of both chaos and baal. if they dont want to use a bot then thats fine.
my point was that you would have to go through this daily and could get tiresome. and the bot could say a messege faster then a person typing it. (once agian. no konwlegde of how bots work)
Anyway, as for a new, dynamic change, I'm all for it. As for specifics, well, I'm all for them, just not with me in charge of them