I have seen this conspiracy tossed around a bunch since I started playing when the game first went live. Honestly I have to believe that its true. I havent played the entire time the game has been out. I usually take a 2-3 week breaks every few months to keep from burning out because all I do is farm and all I do is vendor all my drops. But since they game went live I have probably logged a solid 6 months, maybe 7 Since I only had 2 classes and no job while playing I was able to play at least 40 hours a week but mostly 50-60 hours during that time. During that time I was able to sell 3 items on the AH for any decent amount. And by today's standards they are laughable amounts. One was an amulet for 20 mil, the second a Chantodo for 25 mil and the third was a witching hour for 15 mil. So in 6 months I was only able to earn 60 mil. Sure there were a few other items here and there that sold for 100-500k but not many. Sometimes I would go days or even a full week without even listing an item. So I would estimate the total gold I earned in 6 months to be around 80 mil. Also I was forced to sell most of that on the RMAH instead of buying upgrades as I had to earn back the money I spent on the RMAH so I could actually farm in the first place.
Now that brings me to the issue of accounts being flagged for bad loot. I watch people stream that claim they get 4-5 Legendaries per hour. I have watched a full 3 hour stream before and seen someone get 14 legendaries. In the entire time I have played I have looted 8 legendaries from inferno that were level for level 60s. So how is someone getting almost twice the legendaries in one streaming session that I got in 6 months of playing 40-60 hours a week? You can scream RNG all you want but Im sorry at some point the massive amount of time I played should have resulted in me getting decent drops or legendaries at a similar rate. I mean how are people rolling around in 500mil-1bil gold worth of gear when I had to buy my gear from the RMAH? If you say they have better RNG thats impossible because the definition of RNG is its RANDOM so no one can have better RNG. You cant beat RNG unless you hack the loot system because RNG like I said SHOULD be random. But yet there are large gaps in loot between people like myself and others even though we might have played the same amount of time. I would estimate my gear to be around 50 million. So how come people have gear worth 10x that even though we might have been playing the same amount of time? I see people with 20k elite kills and probably 500+ mil in gold and last time I checked I had around 30k elite kills. When does RNG stop being RNG and no matter how much you play or where you farm you will always just get bad drops?
Sounds like sour grapes to me... It takes one time and you can be swimming in gold. Heck, I hit the jackpot with a 5.5 crit mempo that sold for well over a billion. And yes, RNG can be better for some and not for others, that alone is the definition of RNG. Random can mean good for others and not for you. You also need to know what sells on the AH and then do some sniping. You can make a ton of loot just buying and selling on the AH, unless you are one of the purists that consider that a cheap way out of getting better gear...
No matter what you do, as long as it is legit and in the game then by all means, use all resources to get gold and become a one percenter.
8 legendaries in all that time? Can't be right. Anyway, high MF helps MUCH more than you might think.
What MP did you play on? MF on gear/from Paragon levels?
I used to farm with 350 MF and got nothing but that was before Paragon and MP. I didnt get my decent drops until Paragon was added. Also cause my gear sucks so bad I can really only do MP 2 and possibly 3 if I dont get hosed on terrible affixes. I am done spending money on the RMAH so Im stuck with MP 2 until I finally get something decent to drop. Seriously how the hell were people facerolling Act III and ponies on farm mode only weeks after release and before all the nerfs when during that time I could hardly do Act 1?
8 legendaries in all that time? Can't be right. Anyway, high MF helps MUCH more than you might think.
What MP did you play on? MF on gear/from Paragon levels?
I used to farm with 350 MF and got nothing but that was before Paragon and MP. I didnt get my decent drops until Paragon was added. Also cause my gear sucks so bad I can really only do MP 2 and possibly 3 if I dont get hosed on terrible affixes. I am done spending money on the RMAH so Im stuck with MP 2 until I finally get something decent to drop. Seriously how the hell were people facerolling Act III and ponies on farm mode only weeks after release and before all the nerfs when during that time I could hardly do Act 1?
Why do you need gear? To farm faster. Why would you want to farm faster? To find more gear to sell or use. Why sell gear? To get more gear to farm faster.
Okay, now that that's out of the way, a lot of people who skipped ahead in content and difficulty used the AH (as I did) as an investment to farm faster and more efficiently in order to maximize their chances for better drops.
Like you, I didn't get squat until after they boosted the legendary drop rates and implemented MP and Paragon.
Also, I actually didn't get much of anything until I was well into Paragon 60-70, with the majority of my valuable drops coming way after that. In addition, it doesn't matter how many hours you logged in the game. What matters is how many kills you've made on your account. Some people say "Oh, I logged 400-500 hours on my account, I don't get any drops, wtf." And then you see that this person only has about 10-20K elite kills and 200K lifetime kills. That's not going to cut it. I can count the number of 100M+ valued drops I've gotten on one hand. I have about 60K elite kills on my wizard alone and over 1.5 million lifetime kills.
RNG is indeed RNG, as much as I hate using that line. The only way you can improve your drops is simply by farming more and getting more things to drop. It's like playing the lottery. Each ticket has an equal chance to win. So how do you maximize your chances of winning? You get more tickets.
So back to the farm more to get more gear to sell to get more gear to farm more and farm faster. It's an investment, and whether or not you want to jack yourself up to speed up your farming sessions is up to you. Many people play self-found and it's certainly more fulfilling in a way to play like that. Many people use the AH to min/max their character as much as possible in order to clear content faster and that's another playstyle altogether.
I don't know your character's stats or your playstyle, but this is what I can suggest.
- Max out your paragon level. It doesn't matter how you do it or how long it takes for you to do so, but +300 main stat, +200 vitality, +300% MF and GF is nothing to laugh at.
- Kill everything, don't do elite runs or boss runs. Kill all trash mobs you see.
- Search for "efficient" builds for whichever class you play and search for "efficient" farm routes and stick to those.
The people you watch stream are generally well-geared players, so they clear high level content a lot faster than you do. If you're farming MP2 as fast as someone is farming MP8, you're simply statistically not going to get as good as drops as they will. I mean, on MP10, I can average 2-3 legendaries per run because of 625% MF and the bonus item drop per kill that's near guaranteed on MP10. Sure I can clear MP2 probably 5x as fast, but the probability of a legendary/set drop is lower simply because of lower MF bonuses.
So max your paragon and start killing everything you see. Then, you can farm any MP to your heart's content. The drops will come... eventually.
P.S. Never spend a single dollar in the RMAH unless whatever you're buying is going to be completely worthwhile. By saying "my gear sucks" after spending money in RMAH, that just seems unwise.
Seriously how the hell were people facerolling Act III and ponies on farm mode only weeks after release and before all the nerfs when during that time I could hardly do Act 1?
Have you forgotten that the first nerf wasn't to content but to gear? IAS used to be double what it is now and combined with a little LoH and AR made it easy for anyone to stay alive. Almost nobody understood gearing at that time so the few who did were able to get good gear very cheap. Hell, there are still many people that don't understand how good AR is and then wonder why they can't survive above MP2 or w/e.
Jaetch, when you say 2-3 legendaries per run on average, what run do you refer to? At least that figure sounds a bit too high for KD2 only.
Usually a combination of Core + Tower of the Damned 1 + Keep 3 for the 5 NV stacks, then a combination of Keep 2, Arreat 2, Tower of the Cursed 1, Skycrowne, Rakkis, and/or Fields of Slaughter. Takes about 15 minutes if I don't stop.
Magic find plays a very large role in how many legendaries you see. I'm not sure if this is up to date or not, but check out this graph from this thread http://www.diablofan...istical-insight :
Just eyeballing the graph, if you want a 75% chance to get at least one legendary item, you need to collect about 1400 items if you have zero MF or about 250 items if you have 450 MF (paragon 100 + full NV + MP 3, or paragon 50 + full NV + MP 5 + 100% MF from gear, as examples). I'm not sure that this graph was updated for the increased legendary drop rate, but if not, I think only the numbers at the bottom would really change and not the ratios.
The other thing is increasing killing speed, as others have said. People who are getting tons of legendaries are people who basically one-shot everything with AoE's, stack run speed and pretty much never stop moving.
tl;dr: The way to get more legendaries is to increase your MF and kill stuff faster.
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...and if you disagree with me, you're probably <insert random ad hominem attack here>.
You can scream RNG all you want but Im sorry at some point the massive amount of time I played should have resulted in me getting decent drops or legendaries at a similar rate.
If you toss a coin a million times, it should result in about 500k heads and 500k tails. But RNG can also give you 1 million heads. It's unlikely, but with millions of players and billions of item drops, almost everything is possible.
But yet there are large gaps in loot between people like myself and others even though we might have played the same amount of time.
Of course there are gaps. If there would be no gaps it wouldn't be random, but it would just be an even distribution of loot based on your play time. That's the beauty of RNG: if you're lucky, you can become a billionaire by only playing a couple of hours. However, you can also stay dirt poor after having played 5000 hours. It's why people participate in a lottery, and it's why you log in to D3 and kill monsters.
If D3 had no RNG, no one would play it for more than a few hours. Just imagine a system where you can exactly predict the outcome of loot. "If I play for another 13 hours, I'm gonna get a new decent Inna's pants." How boring would that be!
You're extremely unlucky or you're doing something horribly wrong. But in any case you're giving a perfect example for 1) what RNG means and 2) why the human mind is absolutely incapable of dealing with probabilities and randomness.
The amount of things I could learn in 2000 (or 800) hours is enormous.. why would I waste them in a game?, any game?..
YOLO. <- term well used, for a change.
Shouldn't go there. Some people say time isn't "wasted" when you're enjoying it. Else you can say "Why waste time watching a movie?" "Why waste time at a bar?" "Why waste time on a week-long cruise?" "Why waste time on a cross-country road trip?" "Why waste time climbing mountains?" "Why waste time working at all?"
A game is meant to be played and enjoyed. If you're not enjoying it, then yes, you're wasting your time.
The amount of things I could learn in 2000 (or 800) hours is enormous.. why would I waste them in a game?, any game?..
YOLO. <- term well used, for a change.
The amount of things you could learn in the hours you've invested in trolling DiabloFans.com is enormous; therefore, the only logical conclusion is that you should stop posting here.
The amount of things I could learn in 2000 (or 800) hours is enormous.. why would I waste them in a game?, any game?..
YOLO. <- term well used, for a change.
Shouldn't go there. Some people say time isn't "wasted" when you're enjoying it. Else you can say "Why waste time watching a movie?" "Why waste time at a bar?" "Why waste time on a week-long cruise?" "Why waste time on a cross-country road trip?" "Why waste time climbing mountains?" "Why waste time working at all?"
A game is meant to be played and enjoyed. If you're not enjoying it, then yes, you're wasting your time.
Oh, but of course enjoying things is one of the best things of life, however, mindlessly grind for such a huge amount of time (in any video game) is for insane people.
@shaggy no it's not, I don't think I visit this forum more than twice per day, and only 3 or 4 days a week at most.
The amount of things I could learn in 2000 (or 800) hours is enormous.. why would I waste them in a game?, any game?..
YOLO. <- term well used, for a change.
Errrr... what? I thought that's just what made D2 so darn epic. We wasted thousands of hours of our life just because we couldn't stop playing it. So, if someone puts 2000 hours into the game, they just enjoy it very much.
I only played WoW for less than 2 years, but my /played time was *insane*. Je ne regrette rien. Even though many people would consider it a waste, I enjoyed it a lot and don't consider a single hour as "wasted".
Speaking of wasting time, I'm gonna waste 2 hours of my life now watching soccer. Many of my friends consider this a waste of time. I think it's gonna be the best two hours of this week (but only if my team wins, ofc).
I have seen this conspiracy tossed around a bunch since I started playing when the game first went live. Honestly I have to believe that its true. I havent played the entire time the game has been out. I usually take a 2-3 week breaks every few months to keep from burning out because all I do is farm and all I do is vendor all my drops. But since they game went live I have probably logged a solid 6 months, maybe 7 Since I only had 2 classes and no job while playing I was able to play at least 40 hours a week but mostly 50-60 hours during that time. During that time I was able to sell 3 items on the AH for any decent amount. And by today's standards they are laughable amounts. One was an amulet for 20 mil, the second a Chantodo for 25 mil and the third was a witching hour for 15 mil. So in 6 months I was only able to earn 60 mil. Sure there were a few other items here and there that sold for 100-500k but not many. Sometimes I would go days or even a full week without even listing an item. So I would estimate the total gold I earned in 6 months to be around 80 mil. Also I was forced to sell most of that on the RMAH instead of buying upgrades as I had to earn back the money I spent on the RMAH so I could actually farm in the first place.
Now that brings me to the issue of accounts being flagged for bad loot. I watch people stream that claim they get 4-5 Legendaries per hour. I have watched a full 3 hour stream before and seen someone get 14 legendaries. In the entire time I have played I have looted 8 legendaries from inferno that were level for level 60s. So how is someone getting almost twice the legendaries in one streaming session that I got in 6 months of playing 40-60 hours a week? You can scream RNG all you want but Im sorry at some point the massive amount of time I played should have resulted in me getting decent drops or legendaries at a similar rate. I mean how are people rolling around in 500mil-1bil gold worth of gear when I had to buy my gear from the RMAH? If you say they have better RNG thats impossible because the definition of RNG is its RANDOM so no one can have better RNG. You cant beat RNG unless you hack the loot system because RNG like I said SHOULD be random. But yet there are large gaps in loot between people like myself and others even though we might have played the same amount of time. I would estimate my gear to be around 50 million. So how come people have gear worth 10x that even though we might have been playing the same amount of time? I see people with 20k elite kills and probably 500+ mil in gold and last time I checked I had around 30k elite kills. When does RNG stop being RNG and no matter how much you play or where you farm you will always just get bad drops?
Its a truly free market economy, thats why they have billions, and most people have nothing. This is the end result of any free market system, which is why the GoP are so advocate about making the real market more and more free.
Also, scams, bots, and hacks are rampant, and blizzard does absolutely nothing about it. Scams are particularly bad in D3. You can scam people all day, every day, for months and as long as you don't use a 3rd part program there is nothing blizzard will or can do.
I don't believe your account is flagged or whatever, as that honestly makes very little sense to me. I guess its possible to code that if they wanted, but given the economy uses RM it would be damn near criminal.
I think you just have a bad memory about how many items you have found, and your opinion of what others get is equally skewed. People like to brag. I see it all the time, they talk about how they get 2 legendaries every time they clear VoA or some shit. Of course in reality that isn't the case, as if the RNG favors them. They are just boasting, and that is all it is.
I got 3 legendary items in the first 5 mins of ACT 3. I finished the act and got nothing. I did two more full clears and got nothing at all. This was with max MF steamrolling MP3! But that is RNG!
8 legendaries in all that time? Can't be right. Anyway, high MF helps MUCH more than you might think.
What MP did you play on? MF on gear/from Paragon levels?
I used to farm with 350 MF and got nothing but that was before Paragon and MP. I didnt get my decent drops until Paragon was added. Also cause my gear sucks so bad I can really only do MP 2 and possibly 3 if I dont get hosed on terrible affixes. I am done spending money on the RMAH so Im stuck with MP 2 until I finally get something decent to drop. Seriously how the hell were people facerolling Act III and ponies on farm mode only weeks after release and before all the nerfs when during that time I could hardly do Act 1?
Why do you need gear? To farm faster. Why would you want to farm faster? To find more gear to sell or use. Why sell gear? To get more gear to farm faster.
Okay, now that that's out of the way, a lot of people who skipped ahead in content and difficulty used the AH (as I did) as an investment to farm faster and more efficiently in order to maximize their chances for better drops.
Like you, I didn't get squat until after they boosted the legendary drop rates and implemented MP and Paragon.
Also, I actually didn't get much of anything until I was well into Paragon 60-70, with the majority of my valuable drops coming way after that. In addition, it doesn't matter how many hours you logged in the game. What matters is how many kills you've made on your account. Some people say "Oh, I logged 400-500 hours on my account, I don't get any drops, wtf." And then you see that this person only has about 10-20K elite kills and 200K lifetime kills. That's not going to cut it. I can count the number of 100M+ valued drops I've gotten on one hand. I have about 60K elite kills on my wizard alone and over 1.5 million lifetime kills.
RNG is indeed RNG, as much as I hate using that line. The only way you can improve your drops is simply by farming more and getting more things to drop. It's like playing the lottery. Each ticket has an equal chance to win. So how do you maximize your chances of winning? You get more tickets.
So back to the farm more to get more gear to sell to get more gear to farm more and farm faster. It's an investment, and whether or not you want to jack yourself up to speed up your farming sessions is up to you. Many people play self-found and it's certainly more fulfilling in a way to play like that. Many people use the AH to min/max their character as much as possible in order to clear content faster and that's another playstyle altogether.
I don't know your character's stats or your playstyle, but this is what I can suggest.
- Max out your paragon level. It doesn't matter how you do it or how long it takes for you to do so, but +300 main stat, +200 vitality, +300% MF and GF is nothing to laugh at.
- Kill everything, don't do elite runs or boss runs. Kill all trash mobs you see.
- Search for "efficient" builds for whichever class you play and search for "efficient" farm routes and stick to those.
The people you watch stream are generally well-geared players, so they clear high level content a lot faster than you do. If you're farming MP2 as fast as someone is farming MP8, you're simply statistically not going to get as good as drops as they will. I mean, on MP10, I can average 2-3 legendaries per run because of 625% MF and the bonus item drop per kill that's near guaranteed on MP10. Sure I can clear MP2 probably 5x as fast, but the probability of a legendary/set drop is lower simply because of lower MF bonuses.
So max your paragon and start killing everything you see. Then, you can farm any MP to your heart's content. The drops will come... eventually.
P.S. Never spend a single dollar in the RMAH unless whatever you're buying is going to be completely worthwhile. By saying "my gear sucks" after spending money in RMAH, that just seems unwise.
Don't give people bad advice.
You are better off steamrolling, than spending a lot of time to kill mobs in higher MPs.
Look at this Graph!
If you kill 2500 monsters in one hour with 150 MF then your probability of getting a legendary is 100%. That is 1 legendary per hour.
If you kill 500 monsters in one hour with 150 MF then your probability of getting a legendary is ~95%. That is less than one legendary per hour.
At MP3 with NV your base MF is 150! Thats no paragon levels at all, and no MF gear at all.
A more realistic BASE bottom of the barrel figure on MF would be about 300 in MP3. At this figure you only need to kill about 1200 monsters to get 100% chance at a legendary. Compared to about 600 monsters at 625 MF. Thus if you can kill MP3 twice as fast the drop rate is even. However, the vast vast majority will be able to kill MP3 way way faster than MP10, 5x or more times faster.
A person with max MF in MP3 only needs to kill about 800 monsters to get a legendary, whilst Mp10 takes 600 monsters. The # of kills is nearly the same at this point, and yet the kill speed again will be multiple times faster.
Can't tell if trolling or serious. If I can kill trash mobs in 1-3 seconds on MP10, why shouldn't I farm there?
The goal is to maximize kills for the bonus drops that come with MP levels. Any small cluster of mobs in Keep 2 on MP10 will rain blues and rares with a single right click from my Archon beam that takes just a slightly longer time compared to me killing a cluster on MP3. Only elites take longer to kill.
I'm not telling people to only farm on high MPs. Only if you're capable of doing so.
Also, your probability is never 100%. Wtf? That's not how statistics work. Under the same conditions, you have an equal chance of getting a legendary drop on your 473rd kill as your 9,647,081st kill.
This is why a ton of high-end players farm at short 10-15 minute bursts on high MP. Look at the chart yourself. The advantage lies in making the most out of each kill. The faster you kill high level content in that short period of time, the greater your chances.
If you kill 2500 monsters in one hour with 150 MF then your probability of getting a legendary is 100%. That is 1 legendary per hour.
If you kill 500 monsters in one hour with 150 MF then your probability of getting a legendary is ~95%. That is less than one legendary per hour.
Also, it's items that drop, not monsters you kill. Good luck getting 2,500 item drops on MP3 in one hour.
Now that brings me to the issue of accounts being flagged for bad loot. I watch people stream that claim they get 4-5 Legendaries per hour. I have watched a full 3 hour stream before and seen someone get 14 legendaries. In the entire time I have played I have looted 8 legendaries from inferno that were level for level 60s. So how is someone getting almost twice the legendaries in one streaming session that I got in 6 months of playing 40-60 hours a week? You can scream RNG all you want but Im sorry at some point the massive amount of time I played should have resulted in me getting decent drops or legendaries at a similar rate. I mean how are people rolling around in 500mil-1bil gold worth of gear when I had to buy my gear from the RMAH? If you say they have better RNG thats impossible because the definition of RNG is its RANDOM so no one can have better RNG. You cant beat RNG unless you hack the loot system because RNG like I said SHOULD be random. But yet there are large gaps in loot between people like myself and others even though we might have played the same amount of time. I would estimate my gear to be around 50 million. So how come people have gear worth 10x that even though we might have been playing the same amount of time? I see people with 20k elite kills and probably 500+ mil in gold and last time I checked I had around 30k elite kills. When does RNG stop being RNG and no matter how much you play or where you farm you will always just get bad drops?
No matter what you do, as long as it is legit and in the game then by all means, use all resources to get gold and become a one percenter.
I used to farm with 350 MF and got nothing but that was before Paragon and MP. I didnt get my decent drops until Paragon was added. Also cause my gear sucks so bad I can really only do MP 2 and possibly 3 if I dont get hosed on terrible affixes. I am done spending money on the RMAH so Im stuck with MP 2 until I finally get something decent to drop. Seriously how the hell were people facerolling Act III and ponies on farm mode only weeks after release and before all the nerfs when during that time I could hardly do Act 1?
Why do you need gear? To farm faster. Why would you want to farm faster? To find more gear to sell or use. Why sell gear? To get more gear to farm faster.
Okay, now that that's out of the way, a lot of people who skipped ahead in content and difficulty used the AH (as I did) as an investment to farm faster and more efficiently in order to maximize their chances for better drops.
Like you, I didn't get squat until after they boosted the legendary drop rates and implemented MP and Paragon.
Also, I actually didn't get much of anything until I was well into Paragon 60-70, with the majority of my valuable drops coming way after that. In addition, it doesn't matter how many hours you logged in the game. What matters is how many kills you've made on your account. Some people say "Oh, I logged 400-500 hours on my account, I don't get any drops, wtf." And then you see that this person only has about 10-20K elite kills and 200K lifetime kills. That's not going to cut it. I can count the number of 100M+ valued drops I've gotten on one hand. I have about 60K elite kills on my wizard alone and over 1.5 million lifetime kills.
RNG is indeed RNG, as much as I hate using that line. The only way you can improve your drops is simply by farming more and getting more things to drop. It's like playing the lottery. Each ticket has an equal chance to win. So how do you maximize your chances of winning? You get more tickets.
So back to the farm more to get more gear to sell to get more gear to farm more and farm faster. It's an investment, and whether or not you want to jack yourself up to speed up your farming sessions is up to you. Many people play self-found and it's certainly more fulfilling in a way to play like that. Many people use the AH to min/max their character as much as possible in order to clear content faster and that's another playstyle altogether.
I don't know your character's stats or your playstyle, but this is what I can suggest.
- Max out your paragon level. It doesn't matter how you do it or how long it takes for you to do so, but +300 main stat, +200 vitality, +300% MF and GF is nothing to laugh at.
- Kill everything, don't do elite runs or boss runs. Kill all trash mobs you see.
- Search for "efficient" builds for whichever class you play and search for "efficient" farm routes and stick to those.
The people you watch stream are generally well-geared players, so they clear high level content a lot faster than you do. If you're farming MP2 as fast as someone is farming MP8, you're simply statistically not going to get as good as drops as they will. I mean, on MP10, I can average 2-3 legendaries per run because of 625% MF and the bonus item drop per kill that's near guaranteed on MP10. Sure I can clear MP2 probably 5x as fast, but the probability of a legendary/set drop is lower simply because of lower MF bonuses.
So max your paragon and start killing everything you see. Then, you can farm any MP to your heart's content. The drops will come... eventually.
P.S. Never spend a single dollar in the RMAH unless whatever you're buying is going to be completely worthwhile. By saying "my gear sucks" after spending money in RMAH, that just seems unwise.
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Have you forgotten that the first nerf wasn't to content but to gear? IAS used to be double what it is now and combined with a little LoH and AR made it easy for anyone to stay alive. Almost nobody understood gearing at that time so the few who did were able to get good gear very cheap. Hell, there are still many people that don't understand how good AR is and then wonder why they can't survive above MP2 or w/e.
Usually a combination of Core + Tower of the Damned 1 + Keep 3 for the 5 NV stacks, then a combination of Keep 2, Arreat 2, Tower of the Cursed 1, Skycrowne, Rakkis, and/or Fields of Slaughter. Takes about 15 minutes if I don't stop.
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Just eyeballing the graph, if you want a 75% chance to get at least one legendary item, you need to collect about 1400 items if you have zero MF or about 250 items if you have 450 MF (paragon 100 + full NV + MP 3, or paragon 50 + full NV + MP 5 + 100% MF from gear, as examples). I'm not sure that this graph was updated for the increased legendary drop rate, but if not, I think only the numbers at the bottom would really change and not the ratios.
The other thing is increasing killing speed, as others have said. People who are getting tons of legendaries are people who basically one-shot everything with AoE's, stack run speed and pretty much never stop moving.
tl;dr: The way to get more legendaries is to increase your MF and kill stuff faster.
If you toss a coin a million times, it should result in about 500k heads and 500k tails. But RNG can also give you 1 million heads. It's unlikely, but with millions of players and billions of item drops, almost everything is possible.
Of course there are gaps. If there would be no gaps it wouldn't be random, but it would just be an even distribution of loot based on your play time. That's the beauty of RNG: if you're lucky, you can become a billionaire by only playing a couple of hours. However, you can also stay dirt poor after having played 5000 hours. It's why people participate in a lottery, and it's why you log in to D3 and kill monsters.
If D3 had no RNG, no one would play it for more than a few hours. Just imagine a system where you can exactly predict the outcome of loot. "If I play for another 13 hours, I'm gonna get a new decent Inna's pants." How boring would that be!
You're extremely unlucky or you're doing something horribly wrong. But in any case you're giving a perfect example for 1) what RNG means and 2) why the human mind is absolutely incapable of dealing with probabilities and randomness.
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YOLO. <- term well used, for a change.
Shouldn't go there. Some people say time isn't "wasted" when you're enjoying it. Else you can say "Why waste time watching a movie?" "Why waste time at a bar?" "Why waste time on a week-long cruise?" "Why waste time on a cross-country road trip?" "Why waste time climbing mountains?" "Why waste time working at all?"
A game is meant to be played and enjoyed. If you're not enjoying it, then yes, you're wasting your time.
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The amount of things you could learn in the hours you've invested in trolling DiabloFans.com is enormous; therefore, the only logical conclusion is that you should stop posting here.
Oh, but of course enjoying things is one of the best things of life, however, mindlessly grind for such a huge amount of time (in any video game) is for insane people.
@shaggy no it's not, I don't think I visit this forum more than twice per day, and only 3 or 4 days a week at most.
Errrr... what? I thought that's just what made D2 so darn epic. We wasted thousands of hours of our life just because we couldn't stop playing it. So, if someone puts 2000 hours into the game, they just enjoy it very much.
I only played WoW for less than 2 years, but my /played time was *insane*. Je ne regrette rien. Even though many people would consider it a waste, I enjoyed it a lot and don't consider a single hour as "wasted".
Speaking of wasting time, I'm gonna waste 2 hours of my life now watching soccer. Many of my friends consider this a waste of time. I think it's gonna be the best two hours of this week (but only if my team wins, ofc).
Its a truly free market economy, thats why they have billions, and most people have nothing. This is the end result of any free market system, which is why the GoP are so advocate about making the real market more and more free.
Also, scams, bots, and hacks are rampant, and blizzard does absolutely nothing about it. Scams are particularly bad in D3. You can scam people all day, every day, for months and as long as you don't use a 3rd part program there is nothing blizzard will or can do.
I don't believe your account is flagged or whatever, as that honestly makes very little sense to me. I guess its possible to code that if they wanted, but given the economy uses RM it would be damn near criminal.
I think you just have a bad memory about how many items you have found, and your opinion of what others get is equally skewed. People like to brag. I see it all the time, they talk about how they get 2 legendaries every time they clear VoA or some shit. Of course in reality that isn't the case, as if the RNG favors them. They are just boasting, and that is all it is.
I got 3 legendary items in the first 5 mins of ACT 3. I finished the act and got nothing. I did two more full clears and got nothing at all. This was with max MF steamrolling MP3! But that is RNG!
Don't give people bad advice.
You are better off steamrolling, than spending a lot of time to kill mobs in higher MPs.
Look at this Graph!
If you kill 2500 monsters in one hour with 150 MF then your probability of getting a legendary is 100%. That is 1 legendary per hour.
If you kill 500 monsters in one hour with 150 MF then your probability of getting a legendary is ~95%. That is less than one legendary per hour.
At MP3 with NV your base MF is 150! Thats no paragon levels at all, and no MF gear at all.
A more realistic BASE bottom of the barrel figure on MF would be about 300 in MP3. At this figure you only need to kill about 1200 monsters to get 100% chance at a legendary. Compared to about 600 monsters at 625 MF. Thus if you can kill MP3 twice as fast the drop rate is even. However, the vast vast majority will be able to kill MP3 way way faster than MP10, 5x or more times faster.
A person with max MF in MP3 only needs to kill about 800 monsters to get a legendary, whilst Mp10 takes 600 monsters. The # of kills is nearly the same at this point, and yet the kill speed again will be multiple times faster.
The goal is to maximize kills for the bonus drops that come with MP levels. Any small cluster of mobs in Keep 2 on MP10 will rain blues and rares with a single right click from my Archon beam that takes just a slightly longer time compared to me killing a cluster on MP3. Only elites take longer to kill.
I'm not telling people to only farm on high MPs. Only if you're capable of doing so.
Also, your probability is never 100%. Wtf? That's not how statistics work. Under the same conditions, you have an equal chance of getting a legendary drop on your 473rd kill as your 9,647,081st kill.
This is why a ton of high-end players farm at short 10-15 minute bursts on high MP. Look at the chart yourself. The advantage lies in making the most out of each kill. The faster you kill high level content in that short period of time, the greater your chances.
Chance. All chance.
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Also, it's items that drop, not monsters you kill. Good luck getting 2,500 item drops on MP3 in one hour.
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