my friends is saying that he makes alot more tornado ( 5 per run instead of 4 )
he thinks.. when you reach 25 you reach another breakpoint... idk !!
If you guys thinks it doesnt worth it;; its ok !! just wanted to be sure before
to spend alot of gold on Ice climber with Ms..
It wouldn't even be measurable. The error in movement would make a far greater impact!
The main issue is that the AH makes items much more readily available than P2P trading, so people spend gold/money in the AH/RMAH to buy nearly BiS items, then wonder why they aren't finding any upgrades, thus completely missing the 'reward' part of the games.
BIS items costs 100s of million if not billions of gold. Most people aren't buying these from the AH... so your point is mute.
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Geeeezzzz....Talk about crying for attention...
Is this some what a cry for "AMG I GOT BAD LOOTS" topic?
If you don't get good loots, blame the RNG, plus, have you even capped MF for farming?...don't change the attention where it looks like something else...
You have no idea how many hours some of these D3 players farmed to finally get a piece of good loot...
I am just assuming that you are one of those players that killed like 2k elite and whinge about how hard the game is and it is unfair for you cause you are a paying customer...rite? but i might be wrong..May be your link of toon profile can clear everything up for me, just to clear my curiosity of you actually giving constructive criticism about the stats, or you're having some bias opinion?
Huh? Did you happen to read the last blue post that said EXACTLY what I did troll?
Everyone wants xyz, and it limits itemization...
haha...go troll somewhere else scrub, and stop reflecting.
It must be down to cash. just look at POE you can do any act jump to any way point just kill bosses for super loot or run a level do a bit act 3 then jump to act 1 etc etc... its not hard to do lol come to think of it you could do all that in diablo 2 ....
A very simple solution for the auction house is a click box when you make your account. if you want RMAH click yes if not click no. Its that simple as your whole account would be bound by your decision.
If Blizz were to open the game code to the public. The mod community would have this game fixed in a few weeks.
You kidding me, thats the best place to get statistical data. Bots.
You missed the point. Again. That chart was in place before Monster Power was even introduced.
The real point was that MF doesn't increase item drops. This seems insanely obvious... And it still doesn't.
MP does! And blizzard gave us that data. So its like 3rd grade child's play to add it in to figure out which yields the most drops.
Quit trolling. Its valid statistical data about MF.
If you can easily clear MP10 like you say, then you could steamroll 7 or 8. If you kill twice as fast in 7, then gasp look 60% more loot x 2 compared to 100% more loot. Guess which is higher?
Are you serious? Two runs of 60% chance for bonus items does not equal 120%.
On average you kill 200 monsters in one hour at MP7. Extra loot on average = 120 items per hour
On average you kill 100 monsters in one hour at MP10. Extra loot on average = 100 items per hour
120 > 100
This is pretty simple stuff... If you need a calc you can plug the numbers in google....
So again, bad advice...
You may prefer this style of gameplay, but its not the more efficient.
Quit trolling. Its valid statistical data about MF.
If you can easily clear MP10 like you say, then you could steamroll 7 or 8. If you kill twice as fast in 7, then gasp look 60% more loot x 2 compared to 100% more loot. Guess which is higher?
Are you serious? Two runs of 60% chance for bonus items does not equal 120%.
And you're pulling a chart from a botting and hacking website (ownedcore) from July 2012. I'm sure it's completely valid as of today considering patch 1.05 was introduced in October.
And thank you Demon665.
You kidding me, thats the best place to get statistical data. Bots.
Quit trolling. Its valid statistical data about MF. The basic system hasn't changed much, they just added to it.
If you can easily clear MP10 like you say, then you could steamroll 7 or 8. If you kill twice as fast in 7, then gasp look 60% more loot x 2 compared to 100% more loot. Guess which is higher?
And you could actually kill elite packs quickly as well...
If you kill 2500 monsters in one hour with 150 MF then your probability of getting a legendary is 100%. That is 1 legendary per hour.
If you kill 500 monsters in one hour with 150 MF then your probability of getting a legendary is ~95%. That is less than one legendary per hour.
Also, it's items that drop, not monsters you kill. Good luck getting 2,500 item drops on MP3 in one hour.
MF increases quality of drops, not # of items that are dropped. MP does slightly, but nothing huge.
The most ideal place to farm is the MP level you can steamroll. If you can clear MP5 just as fast as MP0, then you should certainly be in 5. You said you could clear MP2 5x as fast as MP10. That means you aren't steamrolling MP10.
Now you say it takes 1 second to clear mobs?!? Some untruths going on...
Anyways, the adfice you gave is bad. As you can see I clearly proved that Monsters per hour >>>> MP level.
Saving the rest of my DE's. Can't craft more since the AH is offline (and unstable when it's up).
Thats nice, I bought similar bracers on AH yesterday for 75k. They had less dex, but I paid less and was guaranteed the item for less than what you paid to click that button once.
8 legendaries in all that time? Can't be right. Anyway, high MF helps MUCH more than you might think.
What MP did you play on? MF on gear/from Paragon levels?
I used to farm with 350 MF and got nothing but that was before Paragon and MP. I didnt get my decent drops until Paragon was added. Also cause my gear sucks so bad I can really only do MP 2 and possibly 3 if I dont get hosed on terrible affixes. I am done spending money on the RMAH so Im stuck with MP 2 until I finally get something decent to drop. Seriously how the hell were people facerolling Act III and ponies on farm mode only weeks after release and before all the nerfs when during that time I could hardly do Act 1?
Why do you need gear? To farm faster. Why would you want to farm faster? To find more gear to sell or use. Why sell gear? To get more gear to farm faster.
Okay, now that that's out of the way, a lot of people who skipped ahead in content and difficulty used the AH (as I did) as an investment to farm faster and more efficiently in order to maximize their chances for better drops.
Like you, I didn't get squat until after they boosted the legendary drop rates and implemented MP and Paragon.
Also, I actually didn't get much of anything until I was well into Paragon 60-70, with the majority of my valuable drops coming way after that. In addition, it doesn't matter how many hours you logged in the game. What matters is how many kills you've made on your account. Some people say "Oh, I logged 400-500 hours on my account, I don't get any drops, wtf." And then you see that this person only has about 10-20K elite kills and 200K lifetime kills. That's not going to cut it. I can count the number of 100M+ valued drops I've gotten on one hand. I have about 60K elite kills on my wizard alone and over 1.5 million lifetime kills.
RNG is indeed RNG, as much as I hate using that line. The only way you can improve your drops is simply by farming more and getting more things to drop. It's like playing the lottery. Each ticket has an equal chance to win. So how do you maximize your chances of winning? You get more tickets.
So back to the farm more to get more gear to sell to get more gear to farm more and farm faster. It's an investment, and whether or not you want to jack yourself up to speed up your farming sessions is up to you. Many people play self-found and it's certainly more fulfilling in a way to play like that. Many people use the AH to min/max their character as much as possible in order to clear content faster and that's another playstyle altogether.
I don't know your character's stats or your playstyle, but this is what I can suggest.
- Max out your paragon level. It doesn't matter how you do it or how long it takes for you to do so, but +300 main stat, +200 vitality, +300% MF and GF is nothing to laugh at.
- Kill everything, don't do elite runs or boss runs. Kill all trash mobs you see.
- Search for "efficient" builds for whichever class you play and search for "efficient" farm routes and stick to those.
The people you watch stream are generally well-geared players, so they clear high level content a lot faster than you do. If you're farming MP2 as fast as someone is farming MP8, you're simply statistically not going to get as good as drops as they will. I mean, on MP10, I can average 2-3 legendaries per run because of 625% MF and the bonus item drop per kill that's near guaranteed on MP10. Sure I can clear MP2 probably 5x as fast, but the probability of a legendary/set drop is lower simply because of lower MF bonuses.
So max your paragon and start killing everything you see. Then, you can farm any MP to your heart's content. The drops will come... eventually.
P.S. Never spend a single dollar in the RMAH unless whatever you're buying is going to be completely worthwhile. By saying "my gear sucks" after spending money in RMAH, that just seems unwise.
Don't give people bad advice.
You are better off steamrolling, than spending a lot of time to kill mobs in higher MPs.
Look at this Graph!
If you kill 2500 monsters in one hour with 150 MF then your probability of getting a legendary is 100%. That is 1 legendary per hour.
If you kill 500 monsters in one hour with 150 MF then your probability of getting a legendary is ~95%. That is less than one legendary per hour.
At MP3 with NV your base MF is 150! Thats no paragon levels at all, and no MF gear at all.
A more realistic BASE bottom of the barrel figure on MF would be about 300 in MP3. At this figure you only need to kill about 1200 monsters to get 100% chance at a legendary. Compared to about 600 monsters at 625 MF. Thus if you can kill MP3 twice as fast the drop rate is even. However, the vast vast majority will be able to kill MP3 way way faster than MP10, 5x or more times faster.
A person with max MF in MP3 only needs to kill about 800 monsters to get a legendary, whilst Mp10 takes 600 monsters. The # of kills is nearly the same at this point, and yet the kill speed again will be multiple times faster.
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What are you talking about? There is a whole team of interns working on D3, lol.
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CM Wiz is prob the most OP.
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It wouldn't even be measurable. The error in movement would make a far greater impact!
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BIS items costs 100s of million if not billions of gold. Most people aren't buying these from the AH... so your point is mute.
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Huh? Did you happen to read the last blue post that said EXACTLY what I did troll?
Everyone wants xyz, and it limits itemization...
haha...go troll somewhere else scrub, and stop reflecting.
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What would this checkbox idea fix exactly?!?
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The real point was that MF doesn't increase item drops. This seems insanely obvious... And it still doesn't.
MP does! And blizzard gave us that data. So its like 3rd grade child's play to add it in to figure out which yields the most drops.
On average you kill 200 monsters in one hour at MP7. Extra loot on average = 120 items per hour
On average you kill 100 monsters in one hour at MP10. Extra loot on average = 100 items per hour
120 > 100
This is pretty simple stuff... If you need a calc you can plug the numbers in google....
So again, bad advice...
You may prefer this style of gameplay, but its not the more efficient.
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You kidding me, thats the best place to get statistical data. Bots.
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If you can easily clear MP10 like you say, then you could steamroll 7 or 8. If you kill twice as fast in 7, then gasp look 60% more loot x 2 compared to 100% more loot. Guess which is higher?
And you could actually kill elite packs quickly as well...
So yah, your advise is BAD!
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http://www.ownedcore.com/forums/diablo-3/diablo-3-general/361735-huge-magic-find-analysis-how-magic-find-affects-loot.html
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MF increases quality of drops, not # of items that are dropped. MP does slightly, but nothing huge.
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Now you say it takes 1 second to clear mobs?!? Some untruths going on...
Anyways, the adfice you gave is bad. As you can see I clearly proved that Monsters per hour >>>> MP level.
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Thats nice, I bought similar bracers on AH yesterday for 75k. They had less dex, but I paid less and was guaranteed the item for less than what you paid to click that button once.
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Don't give people bad advice.
You are better off steamrolling, than spending a lot of time to kill mobs in higher MPs.
Look at this Graph!
If you kill 2500 monsters in one hour with 150 MF then your probability of getting a legendary is 100%. That is 1 legendary per hour.
If you kill 500 monsters in one hour with 150 MF then your probability of getting a legendary is ~95%. That is less than one legendary per hour.
At MP3 with NV your base MF is 150! Thats no paragon levels at all, and no MF gear at all.
A more realistic BASE bottom of the barrel figure on MF would be about 300 in MP3. At this figure you only need to kill about 1200 monsters to get 100% chance at a legendary. Compared to about 600 monsters at 625 MF. Thus if you can kill MP3 twice as fast the drop rate is even. However, the vast vast majority will be able to kill MP3 way way faster than MP10, 5x or more times faster.
A person with max MF in MP3 only needs to kill about 800 monsters to get a legendary, whilst Mp10 takes 600 monsters. The # of kills is nearly the same at this point, and yet the kill speed again will be multiple times faster.