If somebody would give me D3 and PoE with all names and videos censored and ask "which game is D3?" - I wouldn't hesistate to choose PoE. "Man, it's obvious, isn't it? This is D2 with new graphics, economy and cool skill system! And the other game is obiously one of the many hack'n'slash clones you can find"
And when the combat is absolute horrid, the game can vanish for all i care.
Because the Combat in D3 the first 30 Levels is super awsome... i get it ?
My Witch is currently level 23 (yes i am slow), and its starting to get really amazing.
Maybe you should try playing past the first Town xD
Maybe you should stop guessing. Ive played since first beta and ive experienced the combat at high level. And there the combat is slow and dull aswell. Its far from what it needs to be in order for the game to be fun.
Then this game might just be a little too complex for the likes of you. I've had a really nice mara on closed beta, with bm, forked lightning and super high attack speed. I would simply spam leap + lightning strike and shit on everything. The game is indeed slow in the beginning. I'm hoping they're gonna change that. But it looks me to me that you're talking through your asshole, since you can easily overcome the slow feeling the game gives you, once you get some gear.
And when the combat is absolute horrid, the game can vanish for all i care.
Because the Combat in D3 the first 30 Levels is super awsome... i get it ?
My Witch is currently level 23 (yes i am slow), and its starting to get really amazing.
Maybe you should try playing past the first Town xD
I was playing PoE from start of May and while combat has improved a bit its still not even close to the one in D3. Even at level 60+ its just not fluent and feels slow.
To me, this is one of the main reasons I can't play it for more than an hour.
I'll play a bit over the weekend to see if Act3 changes things a bit.
None of the great RPGs had magnificently fluid combat systems, and I've never played an RPG solely for its combat system.
Funny, this topic shows a clear separation between those who are action fans and those who are RPG fans.
I've never been a huge fan of cheating in ARPGs. Funny how this topic shows a clear seperation between those that liked D2 for the botting/duping and D3 for the GAH (so they didn't have to play the game) and those who are ARPG fans.
The guy who posted the above post has said exactly what i wanted to say.
Well,the kripparian video is awesome and when the video started i was like "Durance of Hate?"Awesome d2 feeling and awesome POE combat right there. But the fact that you HAVE to choose attack speed to enjoy doesnt sound too good.
And all those dumb guys making posts about Rmah,if you never use Rmah then explain how it affects gameplay???
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Grinding Gear Games (Company that produced POE): "These are great Ideas, we will use them for sure as they are clearly what the player base is looking for."
Blizzard: "While we agree that this game needs re-working and that these ideas could help the future of this game, we have no plans to listen to our fan-base at this time."
None of the great RPGs had magnificently fluid combat systems, and I've never played an RPG solely for its combat system.
Funny, this topic shows a clear separation between those who are action fans and those who are RPG fans.
I don't think people are arguing anyone would play an A-RPG solely for the combat.
But they want a game with both good combat and good mechanics.
You cant really separate them.
What good is interesting mechanics for tweaking your skills for example, if the combat wont let you use your skills effectively (not directed at PoE, just an example)?
Then this game might just be a little too complex for the likes of you. I've had a really nice mara on closed beta, with bm, forked lightning and super high attack speed. I would simply spam leap + lightning strike and shit on everything. The game is indeed slow in the beginning. I'm hoping they're gonna change that. But it looks me to me that you're talking through your asshole, since you can easily overcome the slow feeling the game gives you, once you get some gear.
Your an idiot to listen to.
Unless you get close 50%+ increased attack speed via talents, the game is MEH. Its a simple fact, that alot of people agree with. Combat in PoE is dreadfull, only way to make it slightly fun, is to invest tons of your skill points into attack speed. Without doing the combat will continue to be absolutely horrible. So much for diversity in a gigantic skill tree, when your forced to go the ias way, unless your fine with a horrid combat system.
Guys, guys. Please. Let's keep it like "this is my opinion" and not "this is my opinion but it should also be yours".
Also less "your an idiot" and less "too complex for you". They're both offensive. Imagine that you're in a park and talking while eating ice cream. That's it. Now carry on.
I have to agree btw that there is indeed a difference between game pace and "fluidity", with Blizzard winning in the later with pretty much all their releases. It's not a game-selling feature, but some of us are just used to having it from playing their games all these years.
If you don't like the slow pace of combat at the beginning, I'd suggest rolling a Shadow and getting the attack speed passives right from the get-go. Also in the Open Beta you can get a Quicksilver Flask early on which gives you a temporary movement speed bonus, which is really nice. As a shadow, one of the quest rewards gives you Fire Trap which is a nice AoE skill.
I have played many hours of both D3 and PoE and I thoroughly enjoy both. The one thing that i haven't seen mentioned in here is that PoE is completely Free To Play, one thing that D3 is not. If there flaws in the gameplay i just think back to "Hey I didn't pay for this so who cares if it's not 100% perfect" (other than the donation I made to get into Closed Beta). PoE Ultimately is an awesome game with lots of replayability and options to customize how your specific character plays, There are over 1300 passive skills, yeah not all are completely viable, but you can definitely change your specific playstyle based on those. Knowing that they aren't backed by a huge company like Blizzard, I say Kudos to GGG for a game well done.
I have played many hours of both D3 and PoE and I thoroughly enjoy both. The one thing that i haven't seen mentioned in here is that PoE is completely Free To Play, one thing that D3 is not. If there flaws in the gameplay i just think back to "Hey I didn't pay for this so who cares if it's not 100% perfect" (other than the donation I made to get into Closed Beta). PoE Ultimately is an awesome game with lots of replayability and options to customize how your specific character plays, There are over 1300 passive skills, yeah not all are completely viable, but you can definitely change your specific playstyle based on those. Knowing that they aren't backed by a huge company like Blizzard, I say Kudos to GGG for a game well done.
On the one hand, I agree...
On the other, you're just making a point that free games are garbage (or just worse), but it's excusable : )
If you have a limited amount of time, which also usually equates to having more money (because most of that time is spent making it while not spending it), a free game isn't worth the cost ; )
I have played many hours of both D3 and PoE and I thoroughly enjoy both. The one thing that i haven't seen mentioned in here is that PoE is completely Free To Play, one thing that D3 is not. If there flaws in the gameplay i just think back to "Hey I didn't pay for this so who cares if it's not 100% perfect" (other than the donation I made to get into Closed Beta). PoE Ultimately is an awesome game with lots of replayability and options to customize how your specific character plays, There are over 1300 passive skills, yeah not all are completely viable, but you can definitely change your specific playstyle based on those. Knowing that they aren't backed by a huge company like Blizzard, I say Kudos to GGG for a game well done.
On the one hand, I agree...
On the other, you're just making a point that free games are garbage (or just worse), but it's excusable : )
If you have a limited amount of time, which also usually equates to having more money (because most of that time is spent making it while not spending it), a free game isn't worth the cost ; )
-Alamar
I wouldn't go so far as to say it's OK if they're garbage Obviously if it was terrible I wouldn't play it. My point is that I really enjoy the game as it is and the fact that I didn't have to pay $60 for it is just a bonus. The thing I failed to mention along these lines about not being as critical about the flaws is that having played it over the last few months I have seen the developers continuously working out the issues that most people complain about, so for a free game that the developers really take it's players to heart etc, win win in my book. But I can definitely see your point of view Alamar. I just didn't explain my thoughts clearly (or at least how I wanted it to come across)
I have played many hours of both D3 and PoE and I thoroughly enjoy both. The one thing that i haven't seen mentioned in here is that PoE is completely Free To Play, one thing that D3 is not. If there flaws in the gameplay i just think back to "Hey I didn't pay for this so who cares if it's not 100% perfect" (other than the donation I made to get into Closed Beta). PoE Ultimately is an awesome game with lots of replayability and options to customize how your specific character plays, There are over 1300 passive skills, yeah not all are completely viable, but you can definitely change your specific playstyle based on those. Knowing that they aren't backed by a huge company like Blizzard, I say Kudos to GGG for a game well done.
On the one hand, I agree...
On the other, you're just making a point that free games are garbage (or just worse), but it's excusable : )
If you have a limited amount of time, which also usually equates to having more money (because most of that time is spent making it while not spending it), a free game isn't worth the cost ; )
-Alamar
I wouldn't go so far as to say it's OK if they're garbage Obviously if it was terrible I wouldn't play it. My point is that I really enjoy the game as it is and the fact that I didn't have to pay $60 for it is just a bonus. The thing I failed to mention along these lines about not being as critical about the flaws is that having played it over the last few months I have seen the developers continuously working out the issues that most people complain about, so for a free game that the developers really take it's players to heart etc, win win in my book. But I can definitely see your point of view Alamar. I just didn't explain my thoughts clearly (or at least how I wanted it to come across)
The funny thing is: a lot of the problems in PoE seem to stem from having a low budget, i.e., the lower-than-desirable fluidity of the combat system and overall gameplay clearly (and understandably) suffers from a low graphics department budget, while a lot of D3's problems seem to stem from having 'too large a budget', i.e. D3's dev team can't fart without having to notify the suits upstairs. Makes it hard to develop a game if you keep having to ask a lawyer if this change or that tweak are OK.
Haha well said. Couldn't agree with you more.
I guess the same can be said about both games (imho) they are like a fine wine. They each seem to be getting better with time
Like the big overlay map, its ugly and you cant see a thing in brighter areas.
Like the fact that you cant buy back Items if you accidently sold em.
That you cant respec your entire Passive Skilltree, well thats not actually a flaw..but would be cool.
Thing is... there are no flawless executed Games this days anymore, even not in the AAA department.
I play games to have fun, and i am having a hell of a good time in PoE.
None of the great RPGs had magnificently fluid combat systems, and I've never played an RPG solely for its combat system.
Funny, this topic shows a clear separation between those who are action fans and those who are RPG fans.
Diablo 1 was a slow clunky tactical masterpiece, but Diablo 2 was not. It wasn't God of War like D3 sometimes tries to be, but it did have a better action feel, more visceral feedback than the vast majority of its clones. TL/2 is the only clone that I've played that really had even a portion of that feel. Anyway you're going to see a fair number of Diablo 2 fans coming from that perspective because that game did have some decent combat for its time.
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That said, the Kripps video does look llike chaotic fun.
Then this game might just be a little too complex for the likes of you. I've had a really nice mara on closed beta, with bm, forked lightning and super high attack speed. I would simply spam leap + lightning strike and shit on everything. The game is indeed slow in the beginning. I'm hoping they're gonna change that. But it looks me to me that you're talking through your asshole, since you can easily overcome the slow feeling the game gives you, once you get some gear.
The guy who posted the above post has said exactly what i wanted to say.
Well,the kripparian video is awesome and when the video started i was like "Durance of Hate?"Awesome d2 feeling and awesome POE combat right there. But the fact that you HAVE to choose attack speed to enjoy doesnt sound too good.
And all those dumb guys making posts about Rmah,if you never use Rmah then explain how it affects gameplay???
Blizzard: "While we agree that this game needs re-working and that these ideas could help the future of this game, we have no plans to listen to our fan-base at this time."
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I don't think people are arguing anyone would play an A-RPG solely for the combat.
But they want a game with both good combat and good mechanics.
You cant really separate them.
What good is interesting mechanics for tweaking your skills for example, if the combat wont let you use your skills effectively (not directed at PoE, just an example)?
Unless you get close 50%+ increased attack speed via talents, the game is MEH. Its a simple fact, that alot of people agree with. Combat in PoE is dreadfull, only way to make it slightly fun, is to invest tons of your skill points into attack speed. Without doing the combat will continue to be absolutely horrible. So much for diversity in a gigantic skill tree, when your forced to go the ias way, unless your fine with a horrid combat system.
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Wise ElderAlso less "your an idiot" and less "too complex for you". They're both offensive. Imagine that you're in a park and talking while eating ice cream. That's it. Now carry on.
I have to agree btw that there is indeed a difference between game pace and "fluidity", with Blizzard winning in the later with pretty much all their releases. It's not a game-selling feature, but some of us are just used to having it from playing their games all these years.
With that said: Moar opinions! \o/
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Just go ahead and act like Gordon Gekko in D3 and leave us be.
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Ha. Bagstone.
On the one hand, I agree...
On the other, you're just making a point that free games are garbage (or just worse), but it's excusable : )
If you have a limited amount of time, which also usually equates to having more money (because most of that time is spent making it while not spending it), a free game isn't worth the cost ; )
-Alamar
Yes please Prozaic. You make really informative and fun you tube videos :-)
I wouldn't go so far as to say it's OK if they're garbage
Name calling implies insults in this case. I told him to resume playing D3 and act like Gordon Gekko all he wants. Is that actually an insult?
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Haha well said. Couldn't agree with you more.
I guess the same can be said about both games (imho) they are like a fine wine. They each seem to be getting better with time
Like the big overlay map, its ugly and you cant see a thing in brighter areas.
Like the fact that you cant buy back Items if you accidently sold em.
That you cant respec your entire Passive Skilltree, well thats not actually a flaw..but would be cool.
Thing is... there are no flawless executed Games this days anymore, even not in the AAA department.
I play games to have fun, and i am having a hell of a good time in PoE.
Diablo 1 was a slow clunky tactical masterpiece, but Diablo 2 was not. It wasn't God of War like D3 sometimes tries to be, but it did have a better action feel, more visceral feedback than the vast majority of its clones. TL/2 is the only clone that I've played that really had even a portion of that feel. Anyway you're going to see a fair number of Diablo 2 fans coming from that perspective because that game did have some decent combat for its time.