Making this thread to clear up a lot of the confusion for people who just want to know what's going on.
Okay let's start with people's code names and who they are:
AngirisCouncil_Malthael Widegirth Trotters, Formerly the Aspect of Wisdom
AngirisCouncil_Auriel Widegirth Azteca, the Aspect of Hope
AngirisCouncil_Itherael Widegirth fellpony, the Aspect of Fate
AngirisCouncil_Imperius Widegirth Arabians, the Aspect of Valor
AngirisCouncil_Bridle Widegirth Bridle, the Aspect of Justice
Lore_LordsofHell_Saddle Saddle, the Lord of Lies
Lore_LordsofHell_Fetlock Fetlock, the Lord of Sin
Lore_Cydaea Cydaea, the Maiden of Lust
Lore_Ghom Ghom, the Lord of Dressage
Okay so we can match up who the Angiris council is really easy. Trotters is Malthael, Azteca is Auriel, fellpony is Itherael, Arabians is Imperius and Bridle is Tyrael.
The demons can also be matched up easy with their titles. Fetlock is Azmodan, Saddle is Belial, then Cydea and Ghom are Azmodans two sin lieutenants that will be in the game.
Next let's take a look at Saddle-Belial's encounters:
A2_Saddle_Room_01_InstructionEnter You are about to enter
A2_Saddle_Room_01_LocationText Saddle's Throne Room
A2_Saddle_Room_01_TauntText Your only escape will be death, yours... or his.
A2_Saddle_Room_01_InformationText Once you enter the throne room the rest of your party will be able to teleport directly into the fight
Saddle_Encounter_Name Boss: The Battle for Caldeum
Saddle_Taunt_Text Defeat Saddle, Lord of Lies!
Saddle_Join_Instruction {s1}
is about to begin
Saddle_Enter_Instruction You are about to begin
Saddle_Info_Text The rest of your party will be able to teleport in once you enter
A2_SaddleAudience_Encounter_Name The Imperial Throne Room of Emperor Hakan II Event
A2_SaddleAudience_Taunt_Text Warn the boy emperor of the machinations of Saddle!
A2_SaddleAudience_Enter_Instruction You are about to enter
A2_SaddleAudience_Join_Instruction {s1}
is about to enter
A2_SaddleAudience_Info_Text The rest of your party will be able to teleport in once you enter
As you can see you are rushing to warn The boy emperor Hakkan II of Belial's plots. So I don't think Belial is Hakkan II.
Let's next visit Fetlock-Azmodan's events:
Fetlock_Encounter_Name Boss: Fetlock's Lair
Fetlock_Taunt_Text Defeat the Lord of Sin!
Fetlock_Join_Instruction {s1}
is about to enter
Fetlock_Enter_Instruction You are about to enter
Fetlock_Info_Text The rest of your party will be able to teleport in once you enter
Doesn't tell us a whole lot.
Let's take a look at Adria now:
A2_AdriaSewer_Encounter_Name Adria's Prison Event
A2_AdriaSewer_Taunt_Text Free Spot's mother from the minions of Saddle!
A2_AdriaSewer_Join_Instruction {s1}
is about to enter
A2_AdriaSewer_Enter_Instruction You are about to enter
A2_AdriaSewer_Info_Text The rest of your party will be able to teleport in once you enter
A3_AdriaBetrayal_Encounter_Name Triumph Event
A3_AdriaBetrayal_Taunt_Text Fetlock is dead. Celebrate your victory!
A3_AdriaBetrayal_Join_Instruction {s1}
is about to witness
A3_AdriaBetrayal_Enter_Instruction You are about to witness
A3_AdriaBetrayal_Info_Text The rest of your party will be able to teleport in once you enter
So we free "Spot's mother". Spot is obviously Leah. AdriaBetrayal event? And it ends with killing Azmodan? Could Azmodan be Adria? Or possessed her? Who knows.
Let's move on to Spot-Leah's:
A1_LeahReining_Encounter_Name The End of the Horadrim Event
A1_LeahReining_Taunt_Text You may already be too late...
A1_LeahReining_Join_Instruction {s1}
is about to witness
A1_LeahReining_Enter_Instruction You are about to witness
A1_LeahReining_Info_Text The rest of your party will be able to teleport in once you enter
Too late for what? To stop her being possessed? The end of the horadrim event? So she's going to die maybe?
Now let's move on to Bridle-Tyrael:
BridleRitual_Encounter_Name Cells of the Condemned Event
BridleRitual_Join_Instruction {s1}
is about to enter
BridleRitual_Enter_Instruction You are about to enter
BridleRitual_Info_Text The rest of your party will be able to teleport in once you enter
Cell's of the condemned? What's Tyrael condemned for and what ritual is taking place?
Now this next part involved "ponies" which a lot of people have considered to be a secret pony level, which it may well be but it almost seems like it's referring to a place: The High Heavens maybe?
A4_1000MonsterFight_Encounter_Name Boss: Battle For Ponies
A4_1000MonsterFight_Taunt_Text The battle for ponies is about to begin.
A4_1000MonsterFight_Join_Instruction {s1}
is about to witness
A4_1000MonsterFight_Enter_Instruction You are about to witness
A4_1000MonsterFight_Info_Text The rest of your party will be able to teleport in once you enter
BridlePurpose_Encounter_Name The Pinnacle of Ponies Event
BridlePurpose_Join_Instruction {s1}
is about to enter
BridlePurpose_Enter_Instruction You are about to enter
BridlePurpose_Info_Text The rest of your party will be able to teleport in once you enter
Notice "The battle for ponies has begun". So it looks like we have a fight involving 1000 monsters and at some point Bridle-Tyrael has a purpose in it. Could he be sacrificing himself to save whatever ponies is? Who knows.
Then we have this:
BigRed_Izual The Betrayer
BigRed_A_Unique Herald of Diablo
Diablo The Prime Evil
Izual is the Herald of Diablo. It also seems like Diablo succeeded where Azmodan failed and becomes THE prime evil.
These are some timed events:
PoniesPurificationTimer Purification Timer
DiabloFight_Phase1_Timer Reverse the corruption of the Crystal Arch
Event_Bridge_BlazeOfGlory Withstand the demon attack!
a4dun_Garden_HellPortal_TimedEvent Time until the Gateway to Hell closes
a4dun_Garden_HellPortal_2_TimedEvent Time until the Gateway to Hell closes
a4dun_Garden_HellPortal_1_TimedEvent Time until the Gateway to Hell closes
Once again we're fighting Diablo to reverse the corruption of the Crystal Arch (for those of you who haven't read any of the Book of Cain that's the structure in The High Heavens that angels are birthed from.) We're also Purifying "Ponies", in my opinion The High Heavens, and buying time until the Gateway to Hell closes.
Well I think that sums up a lot of what I wanted to convey. I hope for those of you looking for answers this solves some mysteries, those of you not wanting any answers, why are you in here I said HUGE SPOILERS.
For a bonus here's a bit about the Black Soulstone:
A2_BlackSoulstone_Encounter_Name Boss: The Battle for the Black Soulstone
A2_BlackSoulstone_Taunt_Text Defeat Zoltun Kulle!
A2_BlackSoulstone_Join_Instruction {s1}
is about to begin
A2_BlackSoulstone_Enter_Instruction You are about to begin
A2_BlackSoulstone_Info_Text The rest of your party will be able to teleport in once you enter
Some interesting curses Diablo has.
Diablo_CurseOfAnguish_name Curse Of Anguish
Diablo_CurseOfDestruction_name Curse Of Destruction
Diablo_CurseOfHate_name Curse Of Hate
Diablo_CurseOfPain_name Curse Of Pain
Whether or not Hakkan = Belial, they are VERY closely related. We run to "inform" Hakan in a place named saddle_audience, i.e. Belial's audience, which is also called the Throne Room. And being Diablo, we aren't likely to have events for fedex/curior quests, so this event is likely to lead directly to conflict. If it's not Belial = Hakkan, then it's something like a demon already got Hakkan, or we spend the event defending Hakkan from said demon.
Now Caldeum's been going to hell ever since he took power, so if Hakkan were to survive, that would probably mean we banished the dark influence (Belial) and things can go back to goody goody. Just seems far too optimistic for the middle of a Diablo plot. Whether killed by a demon or used by Belial as a host (or even a shapeshifted ruse), I doubt Hakkan is going to survive this in the end.
Also I think we can rule out Leah dying in Act 1. We battle for the soulstone in Act 2, meaning it's not in Leah's possession until during or after Act 2. The adria betrayal event suggests that Azmodean is faced in act 3, and the "black soulstone" cinematic is the perfect setup for this, with part of act 3 taking place around Mt. Arreat at well. Of course, Adria being threatened and even possessed in Act 1 is very possible.
My guess is that "Adria's Betrayal" is something to do with the plot setup for act 4. More like an in-game "cinematic" than a boss fight. After Belial is dead, she is somehow involved in giving Diablo what he needs (black soulstone? Leah's body?) to go smashing through the heavens. And I can more easily imagine her character to have some kind of vendetta or wish to bring the Heavens down, moreso than bringing hell to earth. It may be her intention that the net result (Diablo trashing the heavens, humans trashing Diablo) finally weakens both heaven and hell to the point that Humans can being to stand on their own feet.
Here me out on this one, but usually when software developers number something it means that there are more of that something to follow. If there is only 1 of something then it doesn't get numbered at all. Example: This_batch_uped1 means there will be a This_batch_uped2 BUT This_batch_uped means there are no more plans for that item.
So the datamined material DiabloFight_Phase1 seems to indicate there will be a phase2 of Diablo fight and if its not in the datamined material then likely an expansion.
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I think Phase 1 ties in with the defeat demons storming "ponies" also. Who knows though. You could be right. Wouldn't doubt that we fight him in a couple forms.
It's also worth noting he has an ability called "Aura of Destruction" but I couldn't find the string file for it again. So it seems he absorbed Baal.
My theory is that Diablo masterminded this and when Azmodan said "You thought you were so clever, that you'd outwit us all. One by one our brethren fell into your trap, but not me, I defy you. I know the black soulstone is the key and it shall be mine."
"Then, at long last, Azmodan shall reign as the prim evil."
He was talking to Diablo about what the black soulstone could do. I think Diablo has planned this from the start. To absorb the other evils to become the most powerful.
That's a good theory, especially since I think the devs at what point said that the storyline in D3 is constructed to make it seem like the events of D2 played into Diablo's hands.
Another thing that's been bugging me is the whole Leah thing. The theory that she is Diablo or the spawn of Diablo seems to make sense. But in the cinematic and the game she just doesn't SEEM evil, in fact she cries in the cinematic when she encounters Azmodan. Crying just doesn't seem very Diablo-like.
The datamined part: A1_LeahReining_Taunt_Text You may already be too late...
Could be about Leah turning into Diablo unwillingly, but if she is being turned into Diablo unwillingly that would mean someone is making her turn... Resurrecting diablo through leah.
One of my ongoing speculations is Cain is somehow involved... that man is always around where there is trouble yet never gets harmed by evil (first Tristram in D2 and now the Cathedral in D3)- everytime you see a character like that in a movie or story he usually turns out to be trouble.
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I don't think Cain has anything to do with Leah being possessed. People have become corrupt before without much interference, like Leoric, Leah's grandfather. I think she either puts the soulstone in herself, or someone else does.
Seems like a nice spot for the black soulstone to fit on her chest. Not sure she stays possessed though, maybe someone steals the stone afterwards and she's just undead or something.
I don't think Cain has anything to do with Leah being possessed. People have become corrupt before without much interference, like Leoric, Leah's grandfather. I think she either puts the soulstone in herself, or someone else does.
Seems like a nice spot for the black soulstone to fit on her chest. Not sure she stays possessed though, maybe someone steals the stone afterwards and she's just undead or something.
Yeah but Deckard Cain is the last Horadrim. If its "The End Of the Horadrim", that means the end of Cain.
Good point HabeasPorpoise.
But Daemaro, didn't even King Leoric show signs of evil when he was corrupted. He killed off lots of people and sent people off to their deaths and ruined his kingdom. Leah doesn't exhibit any of those signs.
Now Im not saying she doesn't get corrupted in D3, but Im thinking that she may be more of a victim than Diablo in disguise. Im going with someone else puts the soulstone in.
The End of the Horadrim Event
-Cain is horadrim if not the last of them, And the only way to end someone during an event is to kill it (or someone else kills it)
-"you may already be too late" as in the last of the horadrim has already begun some kind of black soulstone ritual.
Im still missing a connection between the above 2 paragraphs...I think i need diablo 3 the game to complete my theory.
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I just remembered.. Isn't Cain "looking" for something in the Cathedral in D3 when the meteor hits? And doesn't Azmodan reference that Diablo is "seeking" the black soulstone in the cinematic? Coincidence that both Cain and Diablo are both seeking the same object? or are the two one in the same seeking the black soulstone?
-again more biased speculation.. I really have a grudge against Cain I guess
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Yeah, there's no way good old Deckard is evil. However, Diablo might kill him, OR The event might not have to do with Cain at all. They mentioned an original Horadrim who became evil, Zoltun Kulle who is immortal and imprisoned. So maybe its his event.
Mm no Zoltun Kulle has his own event. I should have provided that too I guess. Let me find it.
Oh I did. It's the last one. Defeat Zoltun Kulle. Act 2.
Im not that knowledgable on Zoltun Kulle but was he already corrupt?
And Doomscream, even though its datamined material I still treat everything here as speculation to keep the surprise when I actually play the game. So just tell yourself "Its not real, Its not real, there is no spoon" while your reading this topic.
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Zoltun Kulle was corrupted very fast, he's centuries old. He was a horadric mage along with Tal'Rasha and Jared Cain that gave into the Prime Evils pretty quickly. He became immortal eventually and they had to cut his head off and bury it under the sand, then send his body to another dimension to keep him from coming back.
Zoltun Kulle was corrupted very fast, he's centuries old. He was a horadric mage along with Tal'Rasha and Jared Cain that gave into the Prime Evils pretty quickly. He became immortal eventually and they had to cut his head off and bury it under the sand, then send his body to another dimension to keep him from coming back.
He was talking to Diablo about what the black soulstone could do. I think Diablo has planned this from the start. To absorb the other evils to become the most powerful.
I've been leaning heavily towards this theory. It makes the most sense from all the official and datamined information we have at this point.
Leoric went mad. I'd say Lazarus and Albrecht were corrupted but then Albrecht was possessed later on.
Mad yes, but because of Diablo's influence. The point I think is that Leah isn't under Diablo's influence the same way anyone else has been in the series.
Zoltun Kulle was corrupted very fast, he's centuries old.
Now where did it say he was corrupted? Bad yes, but under the influence of Hell? Then again the Black Soulstone seems to be related to him, and if we go with the theory that Diablo hid it somewhere, that doesn't leave room for any other assumption.
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The point I think is that Leah isn't under Diablo's influence the same way anyone else has been in the series.
I don't think Diablo has "possessed" Leah at this point per normal. He's somehow dormant, and this is beyond his direct control. I am betting the "Adria Betrayl" event is the catalyst that brings him out.
Another fishy thing - In the end Diablo is assaulting Heaven. Yet the entire Diablo series has been about how angels and demons could get an edge in their conflict from humans. All of Diablo's scheming must somehow rely on getting something from humanity/sanctuary - if that isn't Leah's body, it still has to be something human that he is using for power.
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Wise ElderOkay let's start with people's code names and who they are:
Okay so we can match up who the Angiris council is really easy. Trotters is Malthael, Azteca is Auriel, fellpony is Itherael, Arabians is Imperius and Bridle is Tyrael.
The demons can also be matched up easy with their titles. Fetlock is Azmodan, Saddle is Belial, then Cydea and Ghom are Azmodans two sin lieutenants that will be in the game.
Next let's take a look at Saddle-Belial's encounters:
As you can see you are rushing to warn The boy emperor Hakkan II of Belial's plots. So I don't think Belial is Hakkan II.
Let's next visit Fetlock-Azmodan's events:
Doesn't tell us a whole lot.
Let's take a look at Adria now:
So we free "Spot's mother". Spot is obviously Leah. AdriaBetrayal event? And it ends with killing Azmodan? Could Azmodan be Adria? Or possessed her? Who knows.
Let's move on to Spot-Leah's:
Too late for what? To stop her being possessed? The end of the horadrim event? So she's going to die maybe?
Now let's move on to Bridle-Tyrael:
Cell's of the condemned? What's Tyrael condemned for and what ritual is taking place?
Now this next part involved "ponies" which a lot of people have considered to be a secret pony level, which it may well be but it almost seems like it's referring to a place: The High Heavens maybe?
Notice "The battle for ponies has begun". So it looks like we have a fight involving 1000 monsters and at some point Bridle-Tyrael has a purpose in it. Could he be sacrificing himself to save whatever ponies is? Who knows.
Then we have this:
Izual is the Herald of Diablo. It also seems like Diablo succeeded where Azmodan failed and becomes THE prime evil.
These are some timed events:
Once again we're fighting Diablo to reverse the corruption of the Crystal Arch (for those of you who haven't read any of the Book of Cain that's the structure in The High Heavens that angels are birthed from.) We're also Purifying "Ponies", in my opinion The High Heavens, and buying time until the Gateway to Hell closes.
Well I think that sums up a lot of what I wanted to convey. I hope for those of you looking for answers this solves some mysteries, those of you not wanting any answers, why are you in here I said HUGE SPOILERS.
For a bonus here's a bit about the Black Soulstone:
Some interesting curses Diablo has.
Now Caldeum's been going to hell ever since he took power, so if Hakkan were to survive, that would probably mean we banished the dark influence (Belial) and things can go back to goody goody. Just seems far too optimistic for the middle of a Diablo plot. Whether killed by a demon or used by Belial as a host (or even a shapeshifted ruse), I doubt Hakkan is going to survive this in the end.
Also I think we can rule out Leah dying in Act 1. We battle for the soulstone in Act 2, meaning it's not in Leah's possession until during or after Act 2. The adria betrayal event suggests that Azmodean is faced in act 3, and the "black soulstone" cinematic is the perfect setup for this, with part of act 3 taking place around Mt. Arreat at well. Of course, Adria being threatened and even possessed in Act 1 is very possible.
My guess is that "Adria's Betrayal" is something to do with the plot setup for act 4. More like an in-game "cinematic" than a boss fight. After Belial is dead, she is somehow involved in giving Diablo what he needs (black soulstone? Leah's body?) to go smashing through the heavens. And I can more easily imagine her character to have some kind of vendetta or wish to bring the Heavens down, moreso than bringing hell to earth. It may be her intention that the net result (Diablo trashing the heavens, humans trashing Diablo) finally weakens both heaven and hell to the point that Humans can being to stand on their own feet.
So the datamined material DiabloFight_Phase1 seems to indicate there will be a phase2 of Diablo fight and if its not in the datamined material then likely an expansion.
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Wise ElderIt's also worth noting he has an ability called "Aura of Destruction" but I couldn't find the string file for it again. So it seems he absorbed Baal.
My theory is that Diablo masterminded this and when Azmodan said "You thought you were so clever, that you'd outwit us all. One by one our brethren fell into your trap, but not me, I defy you. I know the black soulstone is the key and it shall be mine."
"Then, at long last, Azmodan shall reign as the prim evil."
He was talking to Diablo about what the black soulstone could do. I think Diablo has planned this from the start. To absorb the other evils to become the most powerful.
Another thing that's been bugging me is the whole Leah thing. The theory that she is Diablo or the spawn of Diablo seems to make sense. But in the cinematic and the game she just doesn't SEEM evil, in fact she cries in the cinematic when she encounters Azmodan. Crying just doesn't seem very Diablo-like.
The datamined part: A1_LeahReining_Taunt_Text You may already be too late...
Could be about Leah turning into Diablo unwillingly, but if she is being turned into Diablo unwillingly that would mean someone is making her turn... Resurrecting diablo through leah.
One of my ongoing speculations is Cain is somehow involved... that man is always around where there is trouble yet never gets harmed by evil (first Tristram in D2 and now the Cathedral in D3)- everytime you see a character like that in a movie or story he usually turns out to be trouble.
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Wise ElderSeems like a nice spot for the black soulstone to fit on her chest. Not sure she stays possessed though, maybe someone steals the stone afterwards and she's just undead or something.
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Wise ElderBut Daemaro, didn't even King Leoric show signs of evil when he was corrupted. He killed off lots of people and sent people off to their deaths and ruined his kingdom. Leah doesn't exhibit any of those signs.
Now Im not saying she doesn't get corrupted in D3, but Im thinking that she may be more of a victim than Diablo in disguise. Im going with someone else puts the soulstone in.
The End of the Horadrim Event
-Cain is horadrim if not the last of them, And the only way to end someone during an event is to kill it (or someone else kills it)
-"you may already be too late" as in the last of the horadrim has already begun some kind of black soulstone ritual.
Im still missing a connection between the above 2 paragraphs...I think i need diablo 3 the game to complete my theory.
-again more biased speculation.. I really have a grudge against Cain I guess
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Wise ElderAnyways yeah it could be forced on her, but I can guarantee Cain won't be evil, that's so cliche.
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Wise ElderOh I did. It's the last one. Defeat Zoltun Kulle. Act 2.
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Im not that knowledgable on Zoltun Kulle but was he already corrupt?
And Doomscream, even though its datamined material I still treat everything here as speculation to keep the surprise when I actually play the game. So just tell yourself "Its not real, Its not real, there is no spoon" while your reading this topic.
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I've been leaning heavily towards this theory. It makes the most sense from all the official and datamined information we have at this point.
Mad yes, but because of Diablo's influence. The point I think is that Leah isn't under Diablo's influence the same way anyone else has been in the series.
Now where did it say he was corrupted? Bad yes, but under the influence of Hell? Then again the Black Soulstone seems to be related to him, and if we go with the theory that Diablo hid it somewhere, that doesn't leave room for any other assumption.
I don't think Diablo has "possessed" Leah at this point per normal. He's somehow dormant, and this is beyond his direct control. I am betting the "Adria Betrayl" event is the catalyst that brings him out.
Another fishy thing - In the end Diablo is assaulting Heaven. Yet the entire Diablo series has been about how angels and demons could get an edge in their conflict from humans. All of Diablo's scheming must somehow rely on getting something from humanity/sanctuary - if that isn't Leah's body, it still has to be something human that he is using for power.