I wouldn't hold my breath, blizzard has failed hard with this game multiple times and has done little to fix it. Yes they've made progress with other issues, but they fail to address the bigger problems. This is by far the biggest cluster fuck they've probably ever had to deal with, simply because it involves real money. There is no way they'll be able to fix all of this. They might get 60-70% of the gold out of the system, but the damage has been done.
You talk like they've come to the end of the world. New risky innovative ideas are deployed when a company gets pressured enough by bad PR. From what I understand removing the auction house is a pretty popular idea among the chiefs but the only thing they lack is justification to do so.
If things like this keep happening and deadlines of changes people are actually excited about gets pushed forward and forward they start having good reason to get rid of one or perhaps even both auction houses.
Because it somewhat is the end of the road, at least for people who give a shit about the game still for some reason. If they don't fix this properly, everyone who didn't participate in the free money printing session will be at a severe disadvantage. I'm confident they'll do something..however my concerns are..is it the right thing? will it be enough? Will they handle it properly?
I wish they would just get rid of the RMAH/AH but I'm almost certain that will not. While the high ups that enjoy the games probably would like to see it gone, Vivendi has share holders to answer to and profits to make. While these micro transactions don't give them too much, they can keep it coming with new items, item buffs, expansions, and so forth.
I really want this game to work and to succeed, but they've fucked it up so badly.
Lets be honest guys. You already couldn't afford to play this game efficiently without flipping AH or buying gold. I'm not sure how this affects the casual gamer in the slightest. There is absolutely no f'ing way for a casual to afford a bis type item with nothing but gold gathered in game and selling farmed items.
Answer the fucking question or concede. Do it here, I'm sure nobody minds the brief derail.
I simply don't get you or your remarks. I can't call it. Truth be told, you don't have 1 single flying purple fucking idea what you're talking about.
I've already given an answer to why I think of you a certain way and even offered to talk further about it somewhere else but since you can't accept either it's pretty safe to say that one answer won't be enough and I'll be here answering questions from soon to be four different sources and filling another thread with more offtopic garbage. I find it repulsive to take time out of my day just to realign your ego but I guess my offer still stands.
You seem to have plenty of time to insult me but no time to explain yourself.
KK you're blowing this issue out of proportion. Yeah it's a big problem, but not the "biggest fuck up ever". That honour goes to Maxxis for releasing Sim City 5.
I'm gonna say I'm amused at how many people say this is a huge fuck up and it's ruined the game for who still plays it.. meanwhile I'm just sitting here, polishing my self found gear wondering what all the hubub is about. <3
Nothing about this will destroy D3. People will not even remember this happening once the itemization patch comes out.
Whiners will continue to play and continue to blame Blizzard for everything that greedy customers do and D3 will go on.
Anyways, new patch is awesome! I love all the changes. Especially that I don't have to carry all the items on my character to craft anymore and can remove the notice for salvaging rares. Super appreciated little changes there!
Theres always going to be someone to defend the guilty party....
Very typical. And wtf is a casual fuddy duddy. Its diablo 3. There is not a competitive bone in its body. The people who talk about being competitive in this games are the ones who couldnt cut it in real competitive games. The competition seems to be who can get the most gold. How exciting.
Why dont they just remove both the RMAH and the GAH. Everyone agrees both of those have ruined this game. Let us get gear from actually playing the game and killing mobs, I have been playing since release and have had a dozen level 60s. I cant think of a single time I actually looted an item that I equipped unless you count the new crafted ilvl 63 stuff. Every single item came from the AH. Remove the damn thing so I can get loot from playing the game rather than trying to play the AH. I bought this game thinking it was an ACTION-RPG not an AH tycoon.
While it is a tester's job to break things while they test, usually when a patch itiration such as this comes along, testing is usually confined to things that were changed. In this case the only changes in place were tooltips and the price of gold was adjusted. As a tester I certainly wouldn't have though them adding an extra zero would affect how the posting and revoking of auctions would be affected.
Then you would be a horrible tester. As a tester (which I was, for two years before getting a job as an engineer), I would try to break any limits imposed by the UI. That's the most basic smoke test you can come up with, and it should be tested on every build. And really; storing currency in a 32 bit signed int? No overflow checking? Really?!
If not for the stupid RMAH and "we want to be an MMO too!" mentality this wouldn't be a big deal. Bugs like this happen all the time, but it becomes a lot more serious when you're playing with real money.
Why dont they just remove both the RMAH and the GAH. Everyone agrees both of those have ruined this game. Let us get gear from actually playing the game and killing mobs, I have been playing since release and have had a dozen level 60s. I cant think of a single time I actually looted an item that I equipped unless you count the new crafted ilvl 63 stuff. Every single item came from the AH. Remove the damn thing so I can get loot from playing the game rather than trying to play the AH. I bought this game thinking it was an ACTION-RPG not an AH tycoon.
As much as I'd like to see them remove it, that won't happen. Vivendi games is all about profit, and as a result so must blizzard be. While these microtransactions don't seem like much..they all add up. Especially when for each new round of 'item patches' and expansions a new economy rises and people buy and sell yet again.
They've gotten a taste of the $ and they just don't care.
In about a week most of us have forgotten this and moved on.
And in about a month everyone have forgotten about this and moved on.
This is certainly not the biggest fail ever in a game. It's not really a big fail at all for Blizzard. Bugs happens. They are quickly fixing it and taking back gold. If this were to happen to most other game makers they would have left it for longer and not done much about it other than fixing it.
Diablo 3 continues to be an enormous and huge success.
Diablo 3 continues to be an enormous and huge success.....ummmmmm I wouldn't go that far.
In about a week most of us have forgotten this and moved on.
And in about a month everyone have forgotten about this and moved on.
This is certainly not the biggest fail ever in a game. It's not really a big fail at all for Blizzard. Bugs happens. They are quickly fixing it and taking back gold. If this were to happen to most other game makers they would have left it for longer and not done much about it other than fixing it.
Diablo 3 continues to be an enormous and huge success.
You have a promising career in marketing ahead of you.
Why dont they just remove both the RMAH and the GAH. Everyone agrees both of those have ruined this game. Let us get gear from actually playing the game and killing mobs, I have been playing since release and have had a dozen level 60s. I cant think of a single time I actually looted an item that I equipped unless you count the new crafted ilvl 63 stuff. Every single item came from the AH. Remove the damn thing so I can get loot from playing the game rather than trying to play the AH. I bought this game thinking it was an ACTION-RPG not an AH tycoon.
As much as I agree that the GAH and RMAH have had a negative impact on how the Diablo franchise use to run, I cannot agree with a simple "get rid of it" statement. You have to think of the consequences of doing such a thing. The Auction House is literally the only significant gold sink in the game, being the 15% tax. If we were forced to only do face-to-face trades gold would inflate at a greater rate than it already is. Furthermore history has a tendency to repeat itself. If you played Diablo 2 you found websites like d2jsp that acted as the Auction House in a way on a 3rd party website. hence why it was implemented directly into Diablo 3 originally (plus the money grab, yea yea...) You'd find the entire community jumping onto a website instead to act as the new Auction House.
Again, I agree that the GAH and RMAH have had a negative impact on the game, but we're not at a point where removing it will solve all. A better alternative system needs to be implemented that gives us the best of both worlds without hindering the Diablo experience.
Diablo 3 continues to be an enormous and huge success.....ummmmmm I wouldn't go that far.
It's only one of the fastest selling games, most pre-ordered games on Amazon, most first-day sales and as of today one of the best selling pc games ever. It's still played by over 1 million players every day.
I suppose I shouldn't gone that far, I should gone even further looking at sales numbers and such. Diablo 3 is probably one of the biggest successes in history of pc gaming. Thank you for correcting me
Yeah and a majority of those sales came from people renewing their WoW subs for year to get the game and the mount, and yes they factored those sales into it. D3 was a huge success sale wise because people had so much hope and promise that they would deliver after waiting 10 years. Look how empty channels are, look at the lack of people logging on. This game lost a lot of steam.
Diablo 3 continues to be an enormous and huge success.....ummmmmm I wouldn't go that far.
It's only one of the fastest selling games, most pre-ordered games on Amazon, most first-day sales and as of today one of the best selling pc games ever. It's still played by over 1 million players every day.
I suppose I shouldn't gone that far, I should gone even further looking at sales numbers and such. Diablo 3 is probably one of the biggest successes in history of pc gaming. Thank you for correcting me
This only proven the Diablo 2 was a greatest game of all time. Diablo 2 was fun for almost 10 years. Diablo 3? Most people stop playing after a month.
In about a week most of us have forgotten this and moved on.
And in about a month everyone have forgotten about this and moved on.
This is certainly not the biggest fail ever in a game. It's not really a big fail at all for Blizzard. Bugs happens. They are quickly fixing it and taking back gold. If this were to happen to most other game makers they would have left it for longer and not done much about it other than fixing it.
Diablo 3 continues to be an enormous and huge success.
You have a promising career in marketing ahead of you.
Actually, that's probably correct... but only because this was a gold-duping issue that was only live for a brief period. The spurious gold that goesn't get erased by Blizzard's cleanup crew will get attenuated into oblivion after a few rounds on the money-go-round by Blizzard's AH cut. There'll be a brief surge of activity at the top end on the market, and the ripples will fade into background noise shortly thereafter.
The effect on the economy will be minimal, and IMO the only thing that's really worth finding out is how Blizzard is dealing with the RMAH side of things... did people Blizzwallets get locked down? Will RMAH accounts get debited? What about people who were smart enough to exploit the hell out of the bug, then cash out before Blizzard went to DEFCON 2?
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Because it somewhat is the end of the road, at least for people who give a shit about the game still for some reason. If they don't fix this properly, everyone who didn't participate in the free money printing session will be at a severe disadvantage. I'm confident they'll do something..however my concerns are..is it the right thing? will it be enough? Will they handle it properly?
I wish they would just get rid of the RMAH/AH but I'm almost certain that will not. While the high ups that enjoy the games probably would like to see it gone, Vivendi has share holders to answer to and profits to make. While these micro transactions don't give them too much, they can keep it coming with new items, item buffs, expansions, and so forth.
I really want this game to work and to succeed, but they've fucked it up so badly.
You seem to have plenty of time to insult me but no time to explain yourself.
How typical.
Away with you.
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Whiners will continue to play and continue to blame Blizzard for everything that greedy customers do and D3 will go on.
Anyways, new patch is awesome! I love all the changes. Especially that I don't have to carry all the items on my character to craft anymore and can remove the notice for salvaging rares. Super appreciated little changes there!
And you know what sad pandas do. They
killinfract people who break the forum rulesi hope things will be fine on the US soon!
Very typical. And wtf is a casual fuddy duddy. Its diablo 3. There is not a competitive bone in its body. The people who talk about being competitive in this games are the ones who couldnt cut it in real competitive games. The competition seems to be who can get the most gold. How exciting.
Then you would be a horrible tester. As a tester (which I was, for two years before getting a job as an engineer), I would try to break any limits imposed by the UI. That's the most basic smoke test you can come up with, and it should be tested on every build. And really; storing currency in a 32 bit signed int? No overflow checking? Really?!
If not for the stupid RMAH and "we want to be an MMO too!" mentality this wouldn't be a big deal. Bugs like this happen all the time, but it becomes a lot more serious when you're playing with real money.
As much as I'd like to see them remove it, that won't happen. Vivendi games is all about profit, and as a result so must blizzard be. While these microtransactions don't seem like much..they all add up. Especially when for each new round of 'item patches' and expansions a new economy rises and people buy and sell yet again.
They've gotten a taste of the $ and they just don't care.
Diablo 3 continues to be an enormous and huge success.....ummmmmm I wouldn't go that far.
You have a promising career in marketing ahead of you.
As much as I agree that the GAH and RMAH have had a negative impact on how the Diablo franchise use to run, I cannot agree with a simple "get rid of it" statement. You have to think of the consequences of doing such a thing. The Auction House is literally the only significant gold sink in the game, being the 15% tax. If we were forced to only do face-to-face trades gold would inflate at a greater rate than it already is. Furthermore history has a tendency to repeat itself. If you played Diablo 2 you found websites like d2jsp that acted as the Auction House in a way on a 3rd party website. hence why it was implemented directly into Diablo 3 originally (plus the money grab, yea yea...) You'd find the entire community jumping onto a website instead to act as the new Auction House.
Again, I agree that the GAH and RMAH have had a negative impact on the game, but we're not at a point where removing it will solve all. A better alternative system needs to be implemented that gives us the best of both worlds without hindering the Diablo experience.
Yeah and a majority of those sales came from people renewing their WoW subs for year to get the game and the mount, and yes they factored those sales into it. D3 was a huge success sale wise because people had so much hope and promise that they would deliver after waiting 10 years. Look how empty channels are, look at the lack of people logging on. This game lost a lot of steam.
This only proven the Diablo 2 was a greatest game of all time. Diablo 2 was fun for almost 10 years. Diablo 3? Most people stop playing after a month.
Actually, that's probably correct... but only because this was a gold-duping issue that was only live for a brief period. The spurious gold that goesn't get erased by Blizzard's cleanup crew will get attenuated into oblivion after a few rounds on the money-go-round by Blizzard's AH cut. There'll be a brief surge of activity at the top end on the market, and the ripples will fade into background noise shortly thereafter.
The effect on the economy will be minimal, and IMO the only thing that's really worth finding out is how Blizzard is dealing with the RMAH side of things... did people Blizzwallets get locked down? Will RMAH accounts get debited? What about people who were smart enough to exploit the hell out of the bug, then cash out before Blizzard went to DEFCON 2?