I'm not a masochist or anything, but I find the Enrage timer entertaining. I've attempted to try and survive Kulle's enrage, although that probably lasted a whole 15 seconds before Siege managed to grab me, then have rocks and meteors and insta-gib 1-shot kill reach me before I could do anything about it.
But the timer does take a long time to trigger. I say they could keep the Enrage, but tone it down so that it makes the fight more difficult, but not absolutely impossible.
Enrage makes a lot of sense for kul due to his AI.
It maybe should have been adjusted / eliminated for ubers but without it they would be a trivial pair to kill.
Lure Siege away, someone dodge fire balls while the group kills siege, leave one person out and zerg until you beat kul...
Even if the instant gib was removed all mobs have a 30 min "enrage" where you lose your NV stacks and get no item for your ring.
I enjoy a 12 round fight not a 1st round knock out. Just because i can't knock someone out in the 1st round i should be the loser?? Even tho the other guy couldn't knock me out either... ??? Nice logic pal.
Your tone is lacking, but we're getting somewhere. You actually get the full 12 rounds, not one. You don't get to box infinitely. In a battle of humans that might actually be interesting, but this is a video game and you're not up against an equal, you're provided a challenge with a time component.
Being able to walk 100 meters doesn't get you to the Olympics, you have to do it in a certain time. Otherwise it's trivial. You just don't get that.
Enrage timers are very stupid in this game... if you don't play the cookie cutter shit you're already at the disadvantage of taking longer to kill stuff -> you get less exp and items/gold.
But due to enraging bosses you are supposed to get nothing even if you are geared enough if you took another spec? yeah, definitely encourages build diversity...
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You guys dont seem to get it.... he is trading in efficiency for fun which is legit in my opinion. But enrage timers prevent him from doing that.
Enrage timers are very stupid in this game... if you don't play the cookie cutter shit you're already at the disadvantage of taking longer to kill stuff -> you get less exp and items/gold.
But due to enraging bosses you are supposed to get nothing even if you are geared enough if you took another spec? yeah, definitely encourages build diversity...
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You guys dont seem to get it.... he is trading in efficiency for fun which is legit in my opinion. But enrage timers prevent him from doing that.
Thank you for seeing my point... lol
Ill say it again, your unbuffed dps is 5k above your HP pool which is 28.5k. It's not only the build, it's the fact that your entire char's worth apart from this 3 piece Zunimassa you sport is <10 mil.
BLAH BLAH.. What part of i can swap gear and skills and beat him can't YOU understand? Its the swap gear part or the swap skill part? I know hard to understand...
I can handle all of MP 10 except enrage. So please, feel free to make more pointless remarks about my gear and what you think its worth.
Enrage is not even an attack. Its nothing but a fart in the wind window pop up.
I love hard content actually but i have to agree that the enrage timer is not a good mechanic. As Jaetch pointed out, it would be better if the enrage timer would increase the ubers speed/damage etc instead of insta killing you without even getting hit by an attack.
The right way to do it would be to keep enrage timer, make it so that you notice when it pops up and then increase the damage of ubers by a lot and keep increasing the damage every minute or so. Insta killed by a fart is not a fun mechanic. Blizzard once more took the easy path.
"I am geared enough, but I can't beat the enrage timer" is a rather amusing statement
If you don't get it, don't get it.
Ok so explain why can handle all of MP 10 smart guy?
Your understanding of geared enough seems to be 'i can survive'.
As you can see, that's not enough and it's not even true. You can't survive the enrage. I personally can and it doesn't even take that much gear to be able to do so, as long as you don't aim for high dps as well. Why don't you try it? Have a long fight. Kill Kulle first and finish SB during enrage.
If you can't even do that in time, mp10 is not for you. Simple as that.
...Read my posts before posting please. Simple as that.
"I am geared enough, but I can't beat the enrage timer" is a rather amusing statement
If you don't get it, don't get it.
Ok so explain why i can handle all of MP 10 smart guy?
Please STFU or make some sense.
We better stop this, our brains don't interact well.
Thanks to Bleedxd, for pointing this out by mentioning that "Unbuffed" topic of yours.
Again.. Make some sense or just go away...
You can run your mouth about eveything except the fact that Enrage is nothing more then a windows pop that causes insta death for no reason.
Now you can sit there and fap your keyboard with your Credit card and cookie cutter builds all day. I don't give flying monkeys twisted nipple what you do.
Just make some sense. ....Do i have to say pleease??
"I am geared enough, but I can't beat the enrage timer" is a rather amusing statement
If you don't get it, don't get it.
Ok so explain why i can handle all of MP 10 smart guy?
Please STFU or make some sense.
We better stop this, our brains don't interact well.
Thanks to Bleedxd, for pointing this out by mentioning that "Unbuffed" topic of yours.
Again.. Make some sense or just go away...
You can run your mouth about eveything except the fact that Enrage is nothing more then a windows pop that causes insta death for no reason.
Now you can sit there and fap your keyboard with your Credit card and cookie cutter builds all day. I don't give flying monkeys twisted nipple what you do.
Just make some sense. ....Do i have to say pleease??
I think every person that has argued against you has made perfect sense, your just on tilt and refuse to see it. Getting all tilted because your lacking is like those parents that can't except that their child is average and try to make excuses. Sorry, your "fun" build isn't good enough for MP, which isn't intended to be used by people playing "fun" builds. Have you forgotten that Inferno is the challenge of this game? Blizzard has stated several times Hell is the perfect place for "fun" builds, and inferno is the hardmode (lol i know) that only those of highest skill and prowess should take on, which you are neither based on your issues. I say "fun" in quotes for you because I doubt our sense of fun is the same, as I have fun dominating Ubers MP8+ with little issue.
Since Diablo 3 is just WoW 1.5, I'll use an appropriate example. Its like you trying to DPS as a holy priest and getting upset when you get kicked from groups for wanting to play "your way". Sorry but your way is stupid.
I don't understand why he seems to think only "cookie cutter and RMAH" can beat Ubers under enrage time... lol.
Seems like a pretty bold assumption, I don't use a "cookie cutter" build (I have never seen any other person use my build exactly, ever.), have never used my Credit Card for anything but buying the game itself, and yet I have only even seen enrage a couple of times ever in D3.
There is a distinct difference between not using a cookie cutter build/gear, and using a build/gear that just plain sucks.
Im not exactly "for" enrage timers, but I do resent the implication that because I can do enough damage to not be bothered by them somehow indicates that I have used a cookie cutter build or my CC. (because I haven't, and I don't)
"I am geared enough, but I can't beat the enrage timer" is a rather amusing statement
If you don't get it, don't get it.
Ok so explain why i can handle all of MP 10 smart guy?
Please STFU or make some sense.
We better stop this, our brains don't interact well.
Thanks to Bleedxd, for pointing this out by mentioning that "Unbuffed" topic of yours.
Again.. Make some sense or just go away...
You can run your mouth about eveything except the fact that Enrage is nothing more then a windows pop that causes insta death for no reason.
Now you can sit there and fap your keyboard with your Credit card and cookie cutter builds all day. I don't give flying monkeys twisted nipple what you do.
Just make some sense. ....Do i have to say pleease??
. Sorry, your "fun" build isn't good enough for MP, which isn't intended to be used by people playing "fun" builds.
Since Diablo 3 is just WoW 1.5
Well, my sooo called fun build can handle all areas of MP 10. I think i made that point pretty clear.
Also, if i wanted to play wow id play wow.
I wanna play Diablo. Not WOW.
And really, why should I die to a windows pop up on the bottom of my screen?
Not using a cookie cutter build with cookie cutter gear is no reasonable reponse. So, sorry that doesn't make sense to me. Especially considering the FACT i can handle all of MP 10.
I don't understand why he seems to think only "cookie cutter and RMAH" can beat Ubers under enrage time... lol.
Seems like a pretty bold assumption, I don't use a "cookie cutter" build (I have never seen any other person use my build exactly, ever.), have never used my Credit Card for anything but buying the game itself, and yet I have only even seen enrage a couple of times ever in D3.
There is a distinct difference between not using a cookie cutter build/gear, and using a build/gear that just plain sucks.
Im not exactly "for" enrage timers, but I do resent the implication that because I can do enough damage to not be bothered by them somehow indicates that I have used a cookie cutter build or my CC. (because I haven't, and I don't)
Speaking for MP10 content here.
Sorry if i offeneded you then. But my remark was aimed at the people who do fall under that remark..
Most people who do claim its nothing have Credit cared their way to victory using cookie cutter builds.
I don't understand why he seems to think only "cookie cutter and RMAH" can beat Ubers under enrage time... lol.
Seems like a pretty bold assumption, I don't use a "cookie cutter" build (I have never seen any other person use my build exactly, ever.), have never used my Credit Card for anything but buying the game itself, and yet I have only even seen enrage a couple of times ever in D3.
There is a distinct difference between not using a cookie cutter build/gear, and using a build/gear that just plain sucks.
Im not exactly "for" enrage timers, but I do resent the implication that because I can do enough damage to not be bothered by them somehow indicates that I have used a cookie cutter build or my CC. (because I haven't, and I don't)
Speaking for MP10 content here.
Sorry if i offeneded you then. But my remark was aimed at the people who do fall under that remark..
Most people who do claim its nothing have Credit cared their way to victory using cookie cutter builds.
Fair enough,
Just out of curiosity, what are you using for your build? Seems like your going for a defensive build, Class/spec?
Enrage timers encourage class cannon builds and suppress tank builds. Why one should be more valid than the other.
Just plain wrong. I could as well say: "Monsters dealing damage encourage tank builds and suppress glass cannon builds."
You need to have a balance of survival and offensive output. If either of them was obsolete because you could win without it, the design would be flawed.
Yeah, except reality proves me right. In Softcore, everyone focuses more on offence than defence. And it works. With ridiculously high DPS and crap defences, you can kite and dodge your way to victory; it is NOT so when things are reversed.
Well, yes, because it is efficient, Hammerdins were by FAR the most used class in D2, and it was certainly because of the massive damage and screen filling death that build was capable of.
Diablo has always favored massive damage.
Although, yes, enrage timers certainly DO discourage lower damage defensive builds. (they took them off Elites, I would not be surprised if they took them off bosses too)
The issue at hand is your fun build can not beat the boss in the time allotted.
You aren't raging about nv falling off after 30 minutes, the time frame of 8 minutes is just to short for your current gear/spec.
The AI for Kule is very kite friendly and without enrage he would be really easy.
I've made these points and you just ignore it and focus on the gear and spec.
Change either your gear or your spec ....
You say that you can and win you just don't want to...
At this point I'm assuming your just trolling, you haven't posted a build that we could make recommendations for, maybe you should so you could at least get some pointers or ideas of things to improve.
I have played games with really long boss fights where you tanked and spanked for hours. Dust off Ever Quest and see how much fun that game is in comparison to the new raid mechanics that other games have.
Enrage mechanics actually helped raiding by taking the long fights and distilling them to 10-20 minutes of focused effort.
Tank and spank is not the enjoyable when it is:
get mob to corner
setup cleric heal chain
wait 30 min - 3 hrs hours
Loot 3 items for your 70-90 man raid.
The issue at hand is you want to be able to do things slowly, but new game mechanics are for the younger generation that do not have the attention span for those epic long battles.
I think there is a video of a naked hunter killing inferno diablo on mp 10, just takes a LOOONG time.
While it was probably challenging for the player its basically a pattern that repeats itself, without enrage kul would be in the same boat. You can time his bubbles so they don't land on him, you can force him to run out of bubbles when he runs away from you.
I do agree with the I don't want to be one shotted, but saying no enrage at all is a step backwards. I do think a stacking debuff or stacking dmg is more fun, but again everything has a 30 min soft enrage of you lose your nv stacks.
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But the timer does take a long time to trigger. I say they could keep the Enrage, but tone it down so that it makes the fight more difficult, but not absolutely impossible.
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It maybe should have been adjusted / eliminated for ubers but without it they would be a trivial pair to kill.
Lure Siege away, someone dodge fire balls while the group kills siege, leave one person out and zerg until you beat kul...
Even if the instant gib was removed all mobs have a 30 min "enrage" where you lose your NV stacks and get no item for your ring.
Your tone is lacking, but we're getting somewhere. You actually get the full 12 rounds, not one. You don't get to box infinitely. In a battle of humans that might actually be interesting, but this is a video game and you're not up against an equal, you're provided a challenge with a time component.
Being able to walk 100 meters doesn't get you to the Olympics, you have to do it in a certain time. Otherwise it's trivial. You just don't get that.
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You know what.. Forget it. Forget this friggin post.
Obviously some of you forum fan boys enjoy crappy game mechanics and will defend it to death.
Last time....
I can handle all areas of MP 10 including all Ubers. The only thing that cheaps me to death is enrage.
ENRAGE = MINDLESS FART IN THE WIND DEATH.
Its not even an attack its basically a window pop up...
And you people are actually defending that? Whaaaaaaaaat daaa helll is wrong with your people?
Thank you for seeing my point... lol
If you don't get it, don't get it.
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Sol77-2972/hero/66110450
BLAH BLAH.. What part of i can swap gear and skills and beat him can't YOU understand? Its the swap gear part or the swap skill part? I know hard to understand...
I can handle all of MP 10 except enrage. So please, feel free to make more pointless remarks about my gear and what you think its worth.
Enrage is not even an attack. Its nothing but a fart in the wind window pop up.
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Ok so explain why i can handle all of MP 10 smart guy?
Please STFU or make some sense.
The right way to do it would be to keep enrage timer, make it so that you notice when it pops up and then increase the damage of ubers by a lot and keep increasing the damage every minute or so. Insta killed by a fart is not a fun mechanic. Blizzard once more took the easy path.
...Read my posts before posting please. Simple as that.
Gettin' bored of repeating myself.
We better stop this, our brains don't interact well.
Thanks to Bleedxd, for pointing this out by mentioning that "Unbuffed" topic of yours.
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Sol77-2972/hero/66110450
Again.. Make some sense or just go away...
You can run your mouth about eveything except the fact that Enrage is nothing more then a windows pop that causes insta death for no reason.
Now you can sit there and fap your keyboard with your Credit card and cookie cutter builds all day. I don't give flying monkeys twisted nipple what you do.
Just make some sense. ....Do i have to say pleease??
I think every person that has argued against you has made perfect sense, your just on tilt and refuse to see it. Getting all tilted because your lacking is like those parents that can't except that their child is average and try to make excuses. Sorry, your "fun" build isn't good enough for MP, which isn't intended to be used by people playing "fun" builds. Have you forgotten that Inferno is the challenge of this game? Blizzard has stated several times Hell is the perfect place for "fun" builds, and inferno is the hardmode (lol i know) that only those of highest skill and prowess should take on, which you are neither based on your issues. I say "fun" in quotes for you because I doubt our sense of fun is the same, as I have fun dominating Ubers MP8+ with little issue.
Since Diablo 3 is just WoW 1.5, I'll use an appropriate example. Its like you trying to DPS as a holy priest and getting upset when you get kicked from groups for wanting to play "your way". Sorry but your way is stupid.
Seems like a pretty bold assumption, I don't use a "cookie cutter" build (I have never seen any other person use my build exactly, ever.), have never used my Credit Card for anything but buying the game itself, and yet I have only even seen enrage a couple of times ever in D3.
There is a distinct difference between not using a cookie cutter build/gear, and using a build/gear that just plain sucks.
Im not exactly "for" enrage timers, but I do resent the implication that because I can do enough damage to not be bothered by them somehow indicates that I have used a cookie cutter build or my CC. (because I haven't, and I don't)
Speaking for MP10 content here.
Well, my sooo called fun build can handle all areas of MP 10. I think i made that point pretty clear.
Also, if i wanted to play wow id play wow.
I wanna play Diablo. Not WOW.
And really, why should I die to a windows pop up on the bottom of my screen?
Not using a cookie cutter build with cookie cutter gear is no reasonable reponse. So, sorry that doesn't make sense to me. Especially considering the FACT i can handle all of MP 10.
Its a stupid game mechanic.... Which has to go.
I don't undertsand peoples logic.
Sorry if i offeneded you then. But my remark was aimed at the people who do fall under that remark..
Most people who do claim its nothing have Credit cared their way to victory using cookie cutter builds.
Fair enough,
Just out of curiosity, what are you using for your build? Seems like your going for a defensive build, Class/spec?
Well, yes, because it is efficient, Hammerdins were by FAR the most used class in D2, and it was certainly because of the massive damage and screen filling death that build was capable of.
Diablo has always favored massive damage.
Although, yes, enrage timers certainly DO discourage lower damage defensive builds. (they took them off Elites, I would not be surprised if they took them off bosses too)
You aren't raging about nv falling off after 30 minutes, the time frame of 8 minutes is just to short for your current gear/spec.
The AI for Kule is very kite friendly and without enrage he would be really easy.
I've made these points and you just ignore it and focus on the gear and spec.
Change either your gear or your spec ....
You say that you can and win you just don't want to...
At this point I'm assuming your just trolling, you haven't posted a build that we could make recommendations for, maybe you should so you could at least get some pointers or ideas of things to improve.
I have played games with really long boss fights where you tanked and spanked for hours. Dust off Ever Quest and see how much fun that game is in comparison to the new raid mechanics that other games have.
Enrage mechanics actually helped raiding by taking the long fights and distilling them to 10-20 minutes of focused effort.
Tank and spank is not the enjoyable when it is:
get mob to corner
setup cleric heal chain
wait 30 min - 3 hrs hours
Loot 3 items for your 70-90 man raid.
The issue at hand is you want to be able to do things slowly, but new game mechanics are for the younger generation that do not have the attention span for those epic long battles.
I think there is a video of a naked hunter killing inferno diablo on mp 10, just takes a LOOONG time.
While it was probably challenging for the player its basically a pattern that repeats itself, without enrage kul would be in the same boat. You can time his bubbles so they don't land on him, you can force him to run out of bubbles when he runs away from you.
I do agree with the I don't want to be one shotted, but saying no enrage at all is a step backwards. I do think a stacking debuff or stacking dmg is more fun, but again everything has a 30 min soft enrage of you lose your nv stacks.