1) Adjust the total amount of enemies in each act:
1a. Current amount in Normal mode.
1b. Current amount multiplied by 1.5 in Nightmare mode.
1c. Current amount multiplied by 2 in Hell mode.
1d. Current amount multiplied by 3 in Inferno mode.
Increasing the amount of enemies to kill would greatly increase the amount of fun people have in each difficulty and actually making the difficulty modes different from each other.
2) Add a real secret level:
2a. Create a zombie cows level.
2b. Create an endless dungeon (guaranteed one legendary-dropping chest every 10 levels).
2c. Create a massive dungeon (20 levels, guaranteed legendary in level 20).
The thing that disappointed me the most about Diablo 3 is the lack of a substantial secret level. The Secret Cow Level was so amazing in Diablo 2 and there is no excuse to skip adding another one.
3) Improve Whimsyshire:
3a. Triple/quadruple total amount of enemies.
3b. Add unique/champion monsters and 4 bosses (only one boss randomly spawns each game).
3c. Triple the level size.
The secret level sucks, period.
4) Add Multiplayer dungeons:
4a. Create dungeons that are too hard to solo.
4b. Create dungeons that only groups can enter.
4c. Create multiplayer-only events.
Why do multiplayer right now? Multiplayer-only content is a major need for a game that is intended to favor multiplayer gaming.
5) Create difficulty-specific, random spawning monsters that have a 20% chance to drop a legendary (very rare, only 3 spawned in random locations in each game):
5a. Normal mode - none.
5b. Nightmare mode - monsters named "Nightmares" that look like wraiths.
5c. Hell mode - "Hell Soldiers" that are fiery skeletons wielding swords.
5d. Inferno mode - "Inferno Beasts" that resemble minotaurs with large axes
Seriously, this whole repetitive story thing sucks, especially when every difficulty is the exact same, but slightly harder. This would at least add some uniqueness and something new to the difficulties for people leveling characters for the 3-100th time.
Suggestions/comments/praising/refuting appreciated. What do you think?
Man those are some good ass suggestions. I basically liked them all. I agree most with the dungeon ones that would just make it much more interesting. Tho I would say that if that happens people will just play Mp1-2 and just fly to the end level in a few minutes.Then it would be a race to what is the best way to do the endless dungeon or the big dungeon to maximes your legendary hourly rate. I really like the idea and mb there are some suggestions to make it happen , like you have to kill X amount of creeps and elites or just one of them to be eligible for the drop.
Sorry I'm completely against guaranteed dropping legendaries, one of diablo's aspects is it's randomness. why would I run ANY part of the game if there were some dungeons that ALWAYS drops legendaries?
Also against forced multi-player. There's a reason monsters scale with the amount of players; So everything can be solo'd if need be, but is also harder with more people to even it out.
I would like to see some more mob density in the earlier acts though, and an endless dungeon would be nice, but again you'd have to adjust it so that isn't the single best farming method.
Tbh the multiplayer although I really like its still very weird because if there are perks to being in multiplayer then people will just farm like that because being solo would not be ideal anymore.And lets be honest more HP is not hard if there are roughly equally geared people in the party.I mean MP0-1 in 4 people with 40k+ dps which is achievable with 1million nowadays is more than enoyable.
Sorry I'm completely against guaranteed dropping legendaries, one of diablo's aspects is it's randomness. why would I run ANY part of the game if there were some dungeons that ALWAYS drops legendaries?
Also against forced multi-player. There's a reason monsters scale with the amount of players; So everything can be solo'd if need be, but is also harder with more people to even it out.
I would like to see some more mob density in the earlier acts though, and an endless dungeon would be nice, but again you'd have to adjust it so that isn't the single best farming method.
I think that having a random spawning enemy that has a 20% chance to drop a legendary would be really sweet, especially since there wouldn't be one location for it to spawn. It would give players that treasure goblin feeling, but actually be worth it to go after and be much more exciting when encountering one.
IMO, PvP and hostiling would improve this game 1000% over.
After that, it's all about the items. They decided to get rid of Rune Words and not replace this item base with anything at all. They need to think of something that fills this void.
As far as content, I'm fine with waiting until an X-pac for this, but they really need to offer more than just one short act.
I would love to see a sanctioned 1v1 duel format that is based on a 'weight class' system (i.e. DPS ranking). This system would be quite a blast if their was a gold wager involved. As in D2 when you died you dropped gold, have a 'weight class' style ladder that involves the the loss/gain of a substantial amount of gold.
Sorry I'm completely against guaranteed dropping legendaries, one of diablo's aspects is it's randomness. why would I run ANY part of the game if there were some dungeons that ALWAYS drops legendaries?
Don't worry Blizzard would never implement that. They would lose too much money from their precious RMAH
And endless dungeons. Goes without saying. Such an obvious addition to the game. Do it Blizzard!
While a secret level is always nice, lets be honest here, there is nothing secret about it, adding one would be just like adding any other new area. While nice, I'd much rather see them add endless dungeons or similar.
Maybe they could make endless dungeons, where there was like a 0,1% chance that it spawned a special "cow level" design in one of the levels
4) Add Multiplayer dungeons:
4a. Create dungeons that are too hard to solo.
4b. Create dungeons that only groups can enter.
4c. Create multiplayer-only events.
Why do multiplayer right now? Multiplayer-only content is a major need for a game that is intended to favor multiplayer gaming.
Why is the game in any way intended to favor multiplayer gaming?
It is intended to make it easy to get into a multiplayer game, but it would be pretty bad design (and go strongly against its own heritage from Diablo 2) to favor multiplayer.
Multiplayer and single player should simply be equal.
As much as I like MMOs, Diablo 3 is not, and should not, imo, be an MMO. Not even a little bit.
Nothing is fundamentally stopping people from playing multiplayer now, it is mostly their own choice if they do not - as it should be.
That said, a few things could probably be improved, such as making it easier for different character specs to keep up with each other - a teleporting wizard or WW Barb just doesn't play well with a lot of other specs for example.
Sorry I'm completely against guaranteed dropping legendaries, one of diablo's aspects is it's randomness. why would I run ANY part of the game if there were some dungeons that ALWAYS drops legendaries?
It depends on how the guaranteed drops work imo.
If you got guaranteed drops from playing lots of varied content (and not just one dungeon), then it would only open up for more varied farming runs. Such as a guaranteed legendary from act bosses, if you played through all the quests in the act or similar - and killed enough elites in the process of course (redesigned NV buff).
A guaranteed legendary would still be pretty random in any case, just like guaranteed rares are from elites.
- Random infinite dungeons with randomized monster spawns: Destroying a door in Cain's hut opens a path to a dungeon system. Every zone can spawn and its entrance and exit lead to the next/previous level of the dungeon. Combine this with random monster spawns and the game loses a lot of its repetitiveness. E.g: You start in Cathedral level one which has sandworms, charging bulls and fallen inside of it. Finding the exit you continue in the Festering Woods which contains act 4 monsters inside of it. Entering one of the tombs inside of festering woods you continue at The Battlefields...
Yeah. It doesn't get mentioned often when people talk about endless dungeons, but that is exactly how it should be!
This is the places where "lore" placement of monsters goes out of the window and pure gampelay concerns enter
- Rare (rare) monsterpacks: Give monsterpacks a chance to roll these rare affixes. A chance of 2% per group would allow to meet one of these groups every 5th run. [...]These affixes can be made really powerful. Examples: Invulernable minions, double damage, huge horde or triple sentry
While interesting variation in Softcore, it could easily turn into unfair RNG in Hardcore. If adding such random challenges, then at least it should be added in a way that made it a players choice - such as not having these spawns below MP5 for example.
I would rather see more new affixes being added to the pool that elite monsters could get - while keeping it at the same balance as the current ones.
And maybe add some "positive" affices as well (that could randomly appear on top of the normal affixes), for increased variation. Like "Drops lots of gold", "drops extra loot", "gives a random shrine buff when killed", "spawns a treasure golbin when killed" etc.
And endless dungeons. Goes without saying. Such an obvious addition to the game. Do it Blizzard!
While a secret level is always nice, lets be honest here, there is nothing secret about it, adding one would be just like adding any other new area. While nice, I'd much rather see them add endless dungeons or similar.
Maybe they could make endless dungeons, where there was like a 0,1% chance that it spawned a special "cow level" design in one of the levels
There's a lot of value in what you're saying.
I really like the idea of a randomly spawning secret level (like a cow level) inside of a dungeon. That just sounds too fun.
While it could become the one place people want to farm, it wouldn't be that easy finding one, thus making players farm places up to it, too. What could be wrong with that?
I wanna kill me some more damn cows.
If you got guaranteed drops from playing lots of varied content (and not just one dungeon), then it would only open up for more varied farming runs. Such as a guaranteed legendary from act bosses, if you played through all the quests in the act or similar - and killed enough elites in the process of course (redesigned NV buff).
A guaranteed legendary would still be pretty random in any case, just like guaranteed rares are from elites.
Exactly.
My suggestion for random spawning monsters specific to difficulty actually betters the RNG system instead of breaking it. Let's say it takes someone an hour to find a legendary on average. Randomly throwing in three or four of the monsters (never two in the same area) in every act would give players an extra thing to look forward to encountering while grinding. Each of these monsters would have a 20% chance to drop a legendary, which, if you think about how long it would take to find one of these guys (maybe an hour), would give players only a slight increase in legendaries found if they are lucky enough to have the monster drop a legendary.
In higher difficulties, I see how this may be controversial, but in Normal through Hell modes, lower end legendaries would have a better chance to drop and it would give a little more excitement to the tediousness of leveling a character.
I might even suggest messing with the numbers a bit like so:
In Normal mode, 20 of these monsters spawn in each act and have a 20% chance to drop a (obviously low-end) legendary.
In Nightmare mode, 15 of these monsters spawn in each act and have a 20% chance to drop a legendary.
In Hell and Inferno modes, 10 of these monsters spawn in each act and have a 10% chance to drop a legendary.
- Random infinite dungeons with randomized monster spawns: Destroying a door in Cain's hut opens a path to a dungeon system. Every zone can spawn and its entrance and exit lead to the next/previous level of the dungeon. Combine this with random monster spawns and the game loses a lot of its repetitiveness. E.g: You start in Cathedral level one which has sandworms, charging bulls and fallen inside of it. Finding the exit you continue in the Festering Woods which contains act 4 monsters inside of it. Entering one of the tombs inside of festering woods you continue at The Battlefields...
This idea is so great. I wonder if this could be turned into an actual mode, though.
Let me throw this out there:
In the menu for turning on/off MP levels, why not add another option for something like "Chaos mode." This mode would be exactly like regular questing mode, except all questing dialog is turned off. The world spawns completely random monsters instead of area-specific monsters and random act bosses have a chance to spawn in every area (especially areas where bosses do not regularly spawn).
This would bring true randomness to the game, and it likely wouldn't replace regular mode because pure randomness isn't always wanted when farming. Many people like predictable enemies for efficiency. This mode would give players who are tired of the same crap something to go wild in.
the endless dungeon, to prevent people from speed farming it, could easily start at MP0 and go up 1 mp every 10 floors. where the mob density would increase as well.
the only thing i really want in diablo 3 is to have mp standardize the mob density like it does the mob lvls. boosting density slightly per MP would also be awsome. make people think hard about wether MP0-1 are actually the fastest exp.
but yeah, i wouldnt be mad about any of those suggestions going live except the forced multiplayer.
if only we could get what you suggest man ... if only they cared ... ( cause they can't say its hard to do )
I definitely appreciate that. I think they do care, but capitalistic bureaucracies tend to be too slow and too many reservations.
I have just posted this stuff on the official forums, so if you like my ideas and would like to contribute more, or even just bump the post, please do.
Here's the link: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/7593399517#1
4) Add Multiplayer dungeons:
4a. Create dungeons that are too hard to solo.
4b. Create dungeons that only groups can enter.
4c. Create multiplayer-only events.
Why do multiplayer right now? Multiplayer-only content is a major need for a game that is intended to favor multiplayer gaming.
Why is the game in any way intended to favor multiplayer gaming?
It is intended to make it easy to get into a multiplayer game, but it would be pretty bad design (and go strongly against its own heritage from Diablo 2) to favor multiplayer.
Multiplayer and single player should simply be equal.
As much as I like MMOs, Diablo 3 is not, and should not, imo, be an MMO. Not even a little bit.
Diablo is clearly intended for multiplayer gaming. Monster immunities in Diablo 2 meant that you really had to team up if you wanted to be efficient. There were a few classes that could Solo, and most classes could solo with very high gear level,merc or by dealing different kinds of damage. But on the whole there were huge advantages to playing and progressing as a group. Its one of the problems stirred up by not having a single player mode and batte.net mode. Seriously you try being a fire sorc and clocking diablo 2, you cant do it without a really good merc or by playing with other people. So yeah i would say that diablo is intended to be multiplayer game and Diablo 3 is much less so than diablo 2 was. Because clocking the game by yourself without a team is really easy.
So yeah i think some of these suggestion for multi-player are great and they really do consist of bringing back some of the things which made diablo 2 teamplay enjoyable.
4) Add Multiplayer dungeons:
4a. Create dungeons that are too hard to solo.
4b. Create dungeons that only groups can enter.
4c. Create multiplayer-only events.
Why do multiplayer right now? Multiplayer-only content is a major need for a game that is intended to favor multiplayer gaming.
Why is the game in any way intended to favor multiplayer gaming?
It is intended to make it easy to get into a multiplayer game, but it would be pretty bad design (and go strongly against its own heritage from Diablo 2) to favor multiplayer.
Multiplayer and single player should simply be equal.
As much as I like MMOs, Diablo 3 is not, and should not, imo, be an MMO. Not even a little bit.
Diablo is clearly intended for multiplayer gaming. Monster immunities in Diablo 2 meant that you really had to team up if you wanted to be efficient. There were a few classes that could Solo, and most classes could solo with very high gear level,merc or by dealing different kinds of damage. But on the whole there were huge advantages to playing and progressing as a group. Its one of the problems stirred up by not having a single player mode and batte.net mode. Seriously you try being a fire sorc and clocking diablo 2, you cant do it without a really good merc or by playing with other people. So yeah i would say that diablo is intended to be multiplayer game and Diablo 3 is much less so than diablo 2 was. Because clocking the game by yourself without a team is really easy.
So yeah i think some of these suggestion for multi-player are great and they really do consist of bringing back some of the things which made diablo 2 teamplay enjoyable.
My thoughts almost exactly.
Blizzard has stated that Diablo 3 should be more towards multiplayer than solo gameplay, though mostly balanced. I don't necessarily agree that is a good thing, as I prefer playing solo and only messing around while playing multiplayer (I could only quest so long without giving up on other people and soloing).
PVP, in its few forms, should bring a lot of multiplayer action to the game enough to thrill the developers, but I hope some (or all) of these suggestions will make it in some form sometime. I feel these ideas would greatly enhance both multiplayer and solo-player gaming.
Guaranteed legendaries are a bad idea, and given their current state hardly serves as an incentive to plow through X levels of an inifinite dungeon.
I don't believe the "guaranteed" idea should be generalized, in that most people do expect a legendary item to drop within a given amount of time for the drop rate to be acceptable (simply another way to look at guaranteed legendaries). Blizzard doubled the rate for legendaries to drop, creating a higher potential guarantee for legendaries dropping.
As I've sort of said, most people expect a legendary to drop within a given amount of gameplay time. Adding in special monsters that have a 20% chance of guaranteed legendary drop doesn't actually produce a guaranteed drop--it creates just another opportunity for players to feel excited about the hunt.
If a player successfully runs into and kills three special monsters and three legendaries drop, it would be equivalent to a player finding three legendaries without killing the special monsters, except in the first scenario the player actually did something to warrant a legendary dropping instead of randomly killing crap hoping for RNG's favor.
Putting in monsters to hunt while grinding through crap and champ mobs would increase player satisfaction for finding legendaries. Right now, players hope to randomly hit the jackpot and have a legendary drop. At least in Diablo 2 players could feel accomplished for killing bosses when uniques dropped. Logically, bosses should have better items than their minions, and special monsters would indeed carry better items, too--all the more exciting to hunt them down.
i like your endless dungeon idea, but i think it would need a little tweaking i was thinking somthing more along the lines of like a horde mode. where every level you fight off a mass amount of enemies, champs, and elites. every level gets harder then at like every 10th wave you have a big boss mobs to fight while dealing with all the other mobs.
and after you kill the boss have a replenishment chest that has a chance to spawn some awesome goodies legendaries, high level gems, brimstones and crafting plans idk whatever they could think of.
then maybe have like 100 levels and get somthing cool for surviving all 100 levels of crazyness...
if you have ever played gears you might know where i am getting the idea, but im thinking somthing along those lines would be awesome...
i like your endless dungeon idea, but i think it would need a little tweaking i was thinking somthing more along the lines of like a horde mode. where every level you fight off a mass amount of enemies, champs, and elites. every level gets harder then at like every 10th wave you have a big boss mobs to fight while dealing with all the other mobs.
and after you kill the boss have a replenishment chest that has a chance to spawn some awesome goodies legendaries, high level gems, brimstones and crafting plans idk whatever they could think of.
then maybe have like 100 levels and get somthing cool for surviving all 100 levels of crazyness...
I really like the idea, and I really think this could fit in perfectly in the Diablo world without seeming out of place. Call the event "The Pits of Hell" and make it match up to the style of Act 3's hell areas leading to the spider and Azmodon. It's absurd to think there aren't loads more demons and boss-worthy monsters in Hell, even in Azmodon's chosen area. Even before/after killing Azmodon, Hell is most likely still filled with demons and the like for which to kill on the side.
To further the guaranteed legendary drop idea, think about the keys and organs for getting the hellfire ring. These are guaranteed drops in the same way, and they are not necessarily guaranteed to drop (unless you are on MP10). Creating special monsters with a 20% chance drop, while making them spawn randomly throughout the act with potentially much area to cover in between, would be similar to the key monsters, except drop rates stay at 20% and the monsters are much harder to find.
Giving players a target monster (that drops legendaries) to look for is only bad when players know exactly where those monsters are. This wouldn't be the case.
Horde mode would be great.
Not instead of Endless dungeons though. Both should coexist just fine.
The difference is just too big between the modes. In Horde mode you are forced to keep a specific pace (set by the incoming enemies), you cant play defensively or "safe". Things can turn bad much faster, and with less player control, in a Horde mode than Endless dungeons, which especially is risky for HC characters.
Which isn't bad at all, that is the interesting flavor of Horde mode. Just means that both types should exist imo.
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1a. Current amount in Normal mode.
1b. Current amount multiplied by 1.5 in Nightmare mode.
1c. Current amount multiplied by 2 in Hell mode.
1d. Current amount multiplied by 3 in Inferno mode.
Increasing the amount of enemies to kill would greatly increase the amount of fun people have in each difficulty and actually making the difficulty modes different from each other.
2) Add a real secret level:
2a. Create a zombie cows level.
2b. Create an endless dungeon (guaranteed one legendary-dropping chest every 10 levels).
2c. Create a massive dungeon (20 levels, guaranteed legendary in level 20).
The thing that disappointed me the most about Diablo 3 is the lack of a substantial secret level. The Secret Cow Level was so amazing in Diablo 2 and there is no excuse to skip adding another one.
3) Improve Whimsyshire:
3a. Triple/quadruple total amount of enemies.
3b. Add unique/champion monsters and 4 bosses (only one boss randomly spawns each game).
3c. Triple the level size.
The secret level sucks, period.
4) Add Multiplayer dungeons:
4a. Create dungeons that are too hard to solo.
4b. Create dungeons that only groups can enter.
4c. Create multiplayer-only events.
Why do multiplayer right now? Multiplayer-only content is a major need for a game that is intended to favor multiplayer gaming.
5) Create difficulty-specific, random spawning monsters that have a 20% chance to drop a legendary (very rare, only 3 spawned in random locations in each game):
5a. Normal mode - none.
5b. Nightmare mode - monsters named "Nightmares" that look like wraiths.
5c. Hell mode - "Hell Soldiers" that are fiery skeletons wielding swords.
5d. Inferno mode - "Inferno Beasts" that resemble minotaurs with large axes
Seriously, this whole repetitive story thing sucks, especially when every difficulty is the exact same, but slightly harder. This would at least add some uniqueness and something new to the difficulties for people leveling characters for the 3-100th time.
Suggestions/comments/praising/refuting appreciated. What do you think?
Also against forced multi-player. There's a reason monsters scale with the amount of players; So everything can be solo'd if need be, but is also harder with more people to even it out.
I would like to see some more mob density in the earlier acts though, and an endless dungeon would be nice, but again you'd have to adjust it so that isn't the single best farming method.
I think that having a random spawning enemy that has a 20% chance to drop a legendary would be really sweet, especially since there wouldn't be one location for it to spawn. It would give players that treasure goblin feeling, but actually be worth it to go after and be much more exciting when encountering one.
After that, it's all about the items. They decided to get rid of Rune Words and not replace this item base with anything at all. They need to think of something that fills this void.
As far as content, I'm fine with waiting until an X-pac for this, but they really need to offer more than just one short act.
I would love to see a sanctioned 1v1 duel format that is based on a 'weight class' system (i.e. DPS ranking). This system would be quite a blast if their was a gold wager involved. As in D2 when you died you dropped gold, have a 'weight class' style ladder that involves the the loss/gain of a substantial amount of gold.
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and yes, the secret level totally sucks
Don't worry Blizzard would never implement that. They would lose too much money from their precious RMAH
And endless dungeons. Goes without saying. Such an obvious addition to the game. Do it Blizzard!
While a secret level is always nice, lets be honest here, there is nothing secret about it, adding one would be just like adding any other new area. While nice, I'd much rather see them add endless dungeons or similar.
Maybe they could make endless dungeons, where there was like a 0,1% chance that it spawned a special "cow level" design in one of the levels
Why is the game in any way intended to favor multiplayer gaming?
It is intended to make it easy to get into a multiplayer game, but it would be pretty bad design (and go strongly against its own heritage from Diablo 2) to favor multiplayer.
Multiplayer and single player should simply be equal.
As much as I like MMOs, Diablo 3 is not, and should not, imo, be an MMO. Not even a little bit.
Nothing is fundamentally stopping people from playing multiplayer now, it is mostly their own choice if they do not - as it should be.
That said, a few things could probably be improved, such as making it easier for different character specs to keep up with each other - a teleporting wizard or WW Barb just doesn't play well with a lot of other specs for example.
It depends on how the guaranteed drops work imo.
If you got guaranteed drops from playing lots of varied content (and not just one dungeon), then it would only open up for more varied farming runs. Such as a guaranteed legendary from act bosses, if you played through all the quests in the act or similar - and killed enough elites in the process of course (redesigned NV buff).
A guaranteed legendary would still be pretty random in any case, just like guaranteed rares are from elites.
This is the places where "lore" placement of monsters goes out of the window and pure gampelay concerns enter
While interesting variation in Softcore, it could easily turn into unfair RNG in Hardcore. If adding such random challenges, then at least it should be added in a way that made it a players choice - such as not having these spawns below MP5 for example.
I would rather see more new affixes being added to the pool that elite monsters could get - while keeping it at the same balance as the current ones.
And maybe add some "positive" affices as well (that could randomly appear on top of the normal affixes), for increased variation. Like "Drops lots of gold", "drops extra loot", "gives a random shrine buff when killed", "spawns a treasure golbin when killed" etc.
There's a lot of value in what you're saying.
I really like the idea of a randomly spawning secret level (like a cow level) inside of a dungeon. That just sounds too fun.
While it could become the one place people want to farm, it wouldn't be that easy finding one, thus making players farm places up to it, too. What could be wrong with that?
I wanna kill me some more damn cows.
Exactly.
My suggestion for random spawning monsters specific to difficulty actually betters the RNG system instead of breaking it. Let's say it takes someone an hour to find a legendary on average. Randomly throwing in three or four of the monsters (never two in the same area) in every act would give players an extra thing to look forward to encountering while grinding. Each of these monsters would have a 20% chance to drop a legendary, which, if you think about how long it would take to find one of these guys (maybe an hour), would give players only a slight increase in legendaries found if they are lucky enough to have the monster drop a legendary.
In higher difficulties, I see how this may be controversial, but in Normal through Hell modes, lower end legendaries would have a better chance to drop and it would give a little more excitement to the tediousness of leveling a character.
I might even suggest messing with the numbers a bit like so:
In Normal mode, 20 of these monsters spawn in each act and have a 20% chance to drop a (obviously low-end) legendary.
In Nightmare mode, 15 of these monsters spawn in each act and have a 20% chance to drop a legendary.
In Hell and Inferno modes, 10 of these monsters spawn in each act and have a 10% chance to drop a legendary.
This idea is so great. I wonder if this could be turned into an actual mode, though.
Let me throw this out there:
In the menu for turning on/off MP levels, why not add another option for something like "Chaos mode." This mode would be exactly like regular questing mode, except all questing dialog is turned off. The world spawns completely random monsters instead of area-specific monsters and random act bosses have a chance to spawn in every area (especially areas where bosses do not regularly spawn).
This would bring true randomness to the game, and it likely wouldn't replace regular mode because pure randomness isn't always wanted when farming. Many people like predictable enemies for efficiency. This mode would give players who are tired of the same crap something to go wild in.
the only thing i really want in diablo 3 is to have mp standardize the mob density like it does the mob lvls. boosting density slightly per MP would also be awsome. make people think hard about wether MP0-1 are actually the fastest exp.
but yeah, i wouldnt be mad about any of those suggestions going live except the forced multiplayer.
I definitely appreciate that. I think they do care, but capitalistic bureaucracies tend to be too slow and too many reservations.
I have just posted this stuff on the official forums, so if you like my ideas and would like to contribute more, or even just bump the post, please do.
Here's the link: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/7593399517#1
Diablo is clearly intended for multiplayer gaming. Monster immunities in Diablo 2 meant that you really had to team up if you wanted to be efficient. There were a few classes that could Solo, and most classes could solo with very high gear level,merc or by dealing different kinds of damage. But on the whole there were huge advantages to playing and progressing as a group. Its one of the problems stirred up by not having a single player mode and batte.net mode. Seriously you try being a fire sorc and clocking diablo 2, you cant do it without a really good merc or by playing with other people. So yeah i would say that diablo is intended to be multiplayer game and Diablo 3 is much less so than diablo 2 was. Because clocking the game by yourself without a team is really easy.
So yeah i think some of these suggestion for multi-player are great and they really do consist of bringing back some of the things which made diablo 2 teamplay enjoyable.
My thoughts almost exactly.
Blizzard has stated that Diablo 3 should be more towards multiplayer than solo gameplay, though mostly balanced. I don't necessarily agree that is a good thing, as I prefer playing solo and only messing around while playing multiplayer (I could only quest so long without giving up on other people and soloing).
PVP, in its few forms, should bring a lot of multiplayer action to the game enough to thrill the developers, but I hope some (or all) of these suggestions will make it in some form sometime. I feel these ideas would greatly enhance both multiplayer and solo-player gaming.
I don't believe the "guaranteed" idea should be generalized, in that most people do expect a legendary item to drop within a given amount of time for the drop rate to be acceptable (simply another way to look at guaranteed legendaries). Blizzard doubled the rate for legendaries to drop, creating a higher potential guarantee for legendaries dropping.
As I've sort of said, most people expect a legendary to drop within a given amount of gameplay time. Adding in special monsters that have a 20% chance of guaranteed legendary drop doesn't actually produce a guaranteed drop--it creates just another opportunity for players to feel excited about the hunt.
If a player successfully runs into and kills three special monsters and three legendaries drop, it would be equivalent to a player finding three legendaries without killing the special monsters, except in the first scenario the player actually did something to warrant a legendary dropping instead of randomly killing crap hoping for RNG's favor.
Putting in monsters to hunt while grinding through crap and champ mobs would increase player satisfaction for finding legendaries. Right now, players hope to randomly hit the jackpot and have a legendary drop. At least in Diablo 2 players could feel accomplished for killing bosses when uniques dropped. Logically, bosses should have better items than their minions, and special monsters would indeed carry better items, too--all the more exciting to hunt them down.
i like your endless dungeon idea, but i think it would need a little tweaking i was thinking somthing more along the lines of like a horde mode. where every level you fight off a mass amount of enemies, champs, and elites. every level gets harder then at like every 10th wave you have a big boss mobs to fight while dealing with all the other mobs.
and after you kill the boss have a replenishment chest that has a chance to spawn some awesome goodies legendaries, high level gems, brimstones and crafting plans idk whatever they could think of.
then maybe have like 100 levels and get somthing cool for surviving all 100 levels of crazyness...
if you have ever played gears you might know where i am getting the idea, but im thinking somthing along those lines would be awesome...
I really like the idea, and I really think this could fit in perfectly in the Diablo world without seeming out of place. Call the event "The Pits of Hell" and make it match up to the style of Act 3's hell areas leading to the spider and Azmodon. It's absurd to think there aren't loads more demons and boss-worthy monsters in Hell, even in Azmodon's chosen area. Even before/after killing Azmodon, Hell is most likely still filled with demons and the like for which to kill on the side.
To further the guaranteed legendary drop idea, think about the keys and organs for getting the hellfire ring. These are guaranteed drops in the same way, and they are not necessarily guaranteed to drop (unless you are on MP10). Creating special monsters with a 20% chance drop, while making them spawn randomly throughout the act with potentially much area to cover in between, would be similar to the key monsters, except drop rates stay at 20% and the monsters are much harder to find.
Giving players a target monster (that drops legendaries) to look for is only bad when players know exactly where those monsters are. This wouldn't be the case.
Not instead of Endless dungeons though. Both should coexist just fine.
The difference is just too big between the modes. In Horde mode you are forced to keep a specific pace (set by the incoming enemies), you cant play defensively or "safe". Things can turn bad much faster, and with less player control, in a Horde mode than Endless dungeons, which especially is risky for HC characters.
Which isn't bad at all, that is the interesting flavor of Horde mode. Just means that both types should exist imo.