I don't care what Wilson says, Brevik is right. I like 1.0.4, but playing it again makes me nauseating at the immaturity and non-sense of the characters and story. Diablo 3 is childish and full of miss, I wish Wilson was back were he belongs, being told by grownups to code and stfu.
Average age every time a community poll comes up is 27-ish. (24-30 average demograph)
They aint children bud. They are sad, painfully obsessed, socially aberrant, keyboard warriors.
Anyone remember this famous quote from "Dazed and Confused" (referenced by Brian in Family Guy one time, if you're not from my generation):
"That's what I love about these high school girls, man. I get older, they stay the same age."
I wish I could say that I get older, and gamers stay the same age.
Every year that goes by, the gaming community as a whole gets more immature, more hostile, more sexist, more racist, more nerdraging, more foaming-at-the-mouth-tantrum-throwing insane.
And while all this happens.. every survey indicates that the average (biological) age is increasing, even as the mental age decreases, and the emotional age plummets.
It's enough to push you into playing single-player games exclusively.
Brevik was a dick and acted way to disrespectful. He comes off as a very jaded guy in the interview, but Jay's reaction was plain childish. I wish Dave would man up as well and apologize for insulting his former colleagues, so we can just move on from this silly beef and continue improving the game.
That said, I must say I am intrigued by the things coming in the next few months. If the team keeps working hard and stays on the right course, we just might get an awesome product and a worthy Diablo sequel by the end of this year. Yay.
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"Fear is the mind killer. Fear is the small death that brings total obliteration."
Still can't believe that it took months after release for us to get actual legendary items. What were they thinking when they designed the loot system, seriously that was a very obvious mistake to make having weak legendary items.
And now, the paragon system is not even their idea, Kripp was the one who came up with it and thank god they listened to him because now I have a purpose to play instead of farming for hours finding nothing and then have nothing to show for it felt like a big waste of time so I stopped playing because of that. Kudos for listening to the players on that one.
Having an AH for this game was such a bad idea imo, it ruins the game and it seems like they realise that too now, but can't come up with a solution to fix it yet. To me only solution is to remove the AH, players are spending more time on it than actually playing the game.
New things for end game are required, we need an endless dungeon with a ladder for competition.
Also wouldn't mind another type of dungeon or temple filed with corrupt versions of the character classes. You're not the only barb or wizard etc in the world of sanctuary, why not have a dungeon with waves of different classes that have random skill combinations similar to the shadow clones that we have to kill because they've been corrupted or something. That would provide a new, unique enemy type, I think that would be an interesting, new challenge. They can also get even more creative with this down the track and add classes from D2. Would love to go against a pack of Paladins, Amazons etc each with a diff type of build we all used back in D2. Example you come across a pack of Paladins, one is a hammerdin, the other a zealadin, the other uses a shield with Smite.
I hate that stupid pony level it sucks and makes my eyeballs bleed, I just can't play in it.
I don't defend Jay - But it's idiocy at best to try and say that because he's paid he is supposed to be some zen kind of person who can withstand millions of peoples critique and critique from other people who formerly worked with him,
It's not idiocy, it's a expectation, a reasonable one at that. He can speak out against the interview in a more reasonable way. People are critizsed every day on a much larger scale on television. Do you hear Obama or any other presidents saying, "Fuck, those losers" ? -- well aside from Bush and the blacks in New Orleans.
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"I believe in the sand beneath my toes. The beach gives a feeling, an earthy feeling. I believe in the faith that grows, And the four right chords can make me cry. When I'm with you I feel like I could die, and that would be alright"
Sounds quite sincere to me and I hope everybody can put this behind them. I think Jay has a lot of passion for his work and the work of his team and regardless of what you think about the game or Jay himself, he has every right to defend his baby. He shouldn't have posted what he did on Facebook as social media is a double-edged sword and the context changed once the post was outed.
Adults tell other adults to F off all the time - hell I do it at work too but in more polite terms usually. It's irrelevant if you think Jay is nice or ought to be nice, etc. Doesn't matter - he's not paid to be a nice guy, he's paid to do a job and he's human so when you mix stress with tight deadlines and constant feedback from external sources, it can result in minor transgressions.
Personally I don't care if these guys take out full page ads in the NY Times telling eachother to F*!$ themselves and email eachother's mothers links to lemonparty as long as they don't lose sight of the big picture. Everything else is just blowing off steam.
I like what is being said. I don't think it's all BS either... I think D3 is heading in the right direction finally
Near the end of D3 dev, they were saying a lot of wrong things (based on what I wanted D3) but now they are backtracking on almost all of those decisions. I see great things for D3 in the future (it's already amazing in 1.0.4 imo).
After skimming through this thread I feel like I'm watching ET news and seeing a bunch of petty shallow people gossip about crap that doesn't matter.
Do I care about Jay? No.
Do I care about Dave? No.
Do I care how these adults are acting poorly and enforce the retardation of human interaction of a public website? No.
Do I care about Diablo 3? Yes.
Does this news change anything? No. (no new ideas and all issues are already known)
Does defending Dave or Jay bring any meaningful conversation or actually affect the game your playing? No.
If Dave punched a baby in the face would it make D2 shitty? No.
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Playing Diablo since 97. I know nothing and having nothing good to say, I be a troll.
Average age every time a community poll comes up is 27-ish. (24-30 average demograph)
They aint children bud. They are sad, painfully obsessed, socially aberrant, keyboard warriors.
Anyone remember this famous quote from "Dazed and Confused" (referenced by Brian in Family Guy one time, if you're not from my generation):
"That's what I love about these high school girls, man. I get older, they stay the same age."
I wish I could say that I get older, and gamers stay the same age.
Every year that goes by, the gaming community as a whole gets more immature, more hostile, more sexist, more racist, more nerdraging, more foaming-at-the-mouth-tantrum-throwing insane.
And while all this happens.. every survey indicates that the average (biological) age is increasing, even as the mental age decreases, and the emotional age plummets.
It's enough to push you into playing single-player games exclusively.
+1 for the use of a Dazed and Confused quote.
And yeah, I feel like an old man, shouting at these whack chilluns to get off meh damn digital lawn!
Dave called it like it is and has customer feedback to back it up. Jay couldn't be a man about it and instead acted like a 13 year old. You don't ever think anyone is awesome and a loser at the same time. If he just said "fuck that" then I'd understand but he made a personal remark about Dave with his "loser" addition and for that he's not getting a pass.
Should we dredge up people from this community's online comments and judge them the same way?
Because THAT would be far, FAR worse, don't ya think?
The community IS actually full of children (but not all, and you can certainly find plenty of adult comments that are respectful despite the generalization). Children are the largest demographic of gamers so, duh, most of them are going to be childish. Jay Wilson is obviously not a child but certainly acted like one. His facebook is going to be one of the very few ways to get a candid view of him and this is how he reveals himself when not behind PR like this letter. You don't get to be in a position of power like this where your position is owed to your customers when you can't handle yourself appropriately. There are plenty of Game Directors who don't have evidence of acting like this.
Sure he's allowed to say "fuck you" to someone. But if he's going to be dumb enough to say it to the creator of the franchise that gave him his fucking job, you better actually back your shit up (like Dave did). He didn't. Just a flippant statement like any kid would. Your job as a leader (and a Director is a leader of multiple leaders) is to set an example. When I get paid to do what he does and control huge franchises like that, you be sure to put me in my place if you catch me doing shit like that.
M rated game.
Average age every time a community poll comes up is 27-ish. (24-30 average demograph)
They aint children bud. They are sad, painfully obsessed, socially aberrant, keyboard warriors.
Case in point;
Lets take average Diablo 3 forum troll #45687 as an example.
Lets grab a weeks worth his of comments from the site.
Then show them publicly, to their family, their co workers, etc.
What do you think the reaction would be?
Yeah man, so Jay got pissed at his team getting slammed, thats NOTHING compared to the back and forth mudslinging several "un-named" companies practice on a weekly basis.
Its just something for the meme obsessed community to rant and rave about for weeks on end, they desperately cling to anything new to attempt (and fail) to spawn some form of wit.
I have literally lost respect for gamers as a whole due to the sheer quantity of morons that heaves and pupates under the thick and dank blanket of the inter-webs.
But hey, maybe its just me, amirite?
No, Audio, it's not just you. You post summed up my feelings on this controversy exactly. I get "Sikk" and tired of reading darkhorz's ass anonymous and vitriolic spewage toward a person apologizing for a comment far less obnoxious than their own. They may be chronologically adult, but they give no indication that that they have mentally left adolescence.
The community IS actually full of children (but not all, and you can certainly find plenty of adult comments that are respectful despite the generalization). Children are the largest demographic of gamers so, duh, most of them are going to be childish.
Except you couldn't be more wrong. The average age of video game players is now 30.
I actually liked reading the message. Mr. Wilson gave an apology for his comment, and instead of dwelling on it he moved on to looking ahead with what some of the ideas Blizzard has for Diablo III.
After saying those words to Dave, the man who brought us our passion, you will never be widely accepted, Jay. Your PR excuses cannot hide your aggressive hateful nature.
oh shut up.. while what brevik said sounded professional, it was a HUGE insult to the entire team.
jays response was no doubt unprofessional.. but heres an idea, you go put your heart and soul into something that means the world to you for 4 years, then when it's not doing so hot some other guy basically says your team is incompetent and didn't have a chance because all the talent left..
see how you react.
god people are retarded.
what he said was unprofessional, but was human, and he apologized as he should have.
"Nice" has nothing to do with it. This was one of the most startlingly unprofessional moments from someone in a position like his in the history of corporate business. Did Bill Gates show up at Steve Jobs funeral and say "Fuck that loser." No, I don't think so. Jay is either an outright asshole, or just that stupid. He has a history of flagrantly bad PR decisions, and this just highlights that in a very public, very embarrassing way. Sorry, but you can't shoot off your mouth like that when you're the Game Director at the most successful video game software company to date. No excuses.
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That said, thanks for being an adult about it. I now have an inkling of respect for you.
Here's to the longevity of Diablo!
Anyone remember this famous quote from "Dazed and Confused" (referenced by Brian in Family Guy one time, if you're not from my generation):
"That's what I love about these high school girls, man. I get older, they stay the same age."
I wish I could say that I get older, and gamers stay the same age.
Every year that goes by, the gaming community as a whole gets more immature, more hostile, more sexist, more racist, more nerdraging, more foaming-at-the-mouth-tantrum-throwing insane.
And while all this happens.. every survey indicates that the average (biological) age is increasing, even as the mental age decreases, and the emotional age plummets.
It's enough to push you into playing single-player games exclusively.
That said, I must say I am intrigued by the things coming in the next few months. If the team keeps working hard and stays on the right course, we just might get an awesome product and a worthy Diablo sequel by the end of this year. Yay.
His arrogance is beyond measure.
And now, the paragon system is not even their idea, Kripp was the one who came up with it and thank god they listened to him because now I have a purpose to play instead of farming for hours finding nothing and then have nothing to show for it felt like a big waste of time so I stopped playing because of that. Kudos for listening to the players on that one.
Having an AH for this game was such a bad idea imo, it ruins the game and it seems like they realise that too now, but can't come up with a solution to fix it yet. To me only solution is to remove the AH, players are spending more time on it than actually playing the game.
New things for end game are required, we need an endless dungeon with a ladder for competition.
Also wouldn't mind another type of dungeon or temple filed with corrupt versions of the character classes. You're not the only barb or wizard etc in the world of sanctuary, why not have a dungeon with waves of different classes that have random skill combinations similar to the shadow clones that we have to kill because they've been corrupted or something. That would provide a new, unique enemy type, I think that would be an interesting, new challenge. They can also get even more creative with this down the track and add classes from D2. Would love to go against a pack of Paladins, Amazons etc each with a diff type of build we all used back in D2. Example you come across a pack of Paladins, one is a hammerdin, the other a zealadin, the other uses a shield with Smite.
I hate that stupid pony level it sucks and makes my eyeballs bleed, I just can't play in it.
It's not idiocy, it's a expectation, a reasonable one at that. He can speak out against the interview in a more reasonable way. People are critizsed every day on a much larger scale on television. Do you hear Obama or any other presidents saying, "Fuck, those losers" ? -- well aside from Bush and the blacks in New Orleans.
Adults tell other adults to F off all the time - hell I do it at work too but in more polite terms usually. It's irrelevant if you think Jay is nice or ought to be nice, etc. Doesn't matter - he's not paid to be a nice guy, he's paid to do a job and he's human so when you mix stress with tight deadlines and constant feedback from external sources, it can result in minor transgressions.
Personally I don't care if these guys take out full page ads in the NY Times telling eachother to F*!$ themselves and email eachother's mothers links to lemonparty as long as they don't lose sight of the big picture. Everything else is just blowing off steam.
A broad statement... what exactly is broken?
Near the end of D3 dev, they were saying a lot of wrong things (based on what I wanted D3) but now they are backtracking on almost all of those decisions. I see great things for D3 in the future (it's already amazing in 1.0.4 imo).
Do I care about Jay? No.
Do I care about Dave? No.
Do I care how these adults are acting poorly and enforce the retardation of human interaction of a public website? No.
Do I care about Diablo 3? Yes.
Does this news change anything? No. (no new ideas and all issues are already known)
Does defending Dave or Jay bring any meaningful conversation or actually affect the game your playing? No.
If Dave punched a baby in the face would it make D2 shitty? No.
+1 for the use of a Dazed and Confused quote.
And yeah, I feel like an old man, shouting at these whack chilluns to get off meh damn digital lawn!
No, Audio, it's not just you. You post summed up my feelings on this controversy exactly. I get "Sikk" and tired of reading darkhorz's ass anonymous and vitriolic spewage toward a person apologizing for a comment far less obnoxious than their own. They may be chronologically adult, but they give no indication that that they have mentally left adolescence.
Except you couldn't be more wrong. The average age of video game players is now 30.
http://www.theesa.com/facts/index.asp
oh shut up.. while what brevik said sounded professional, it was a HUGE insult to the entire team.
jays response was no doubt unprofessional.. but heres an idea, you go put your heart and soul into something that means the world to you for 4 years, then when it's not doing so hot some other guy basically says your team is incompetent and didn't have a chance because all the talent left..
see how you react.
god people are retarded.
what he said was unprofessional, but was human, and he apologized as he should have.
water under the bridge, grow up.