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I know some guys from this this thread likes to write alot ^^

Quote from mclarensmps

... there are enough combinations and permutations to keep people happy here. In fact, this systems favours more variation in builds that work, than the old system...

Quote from Ferret

The D2 system wasn't really crop of the cream in terms of "illusions choice". Any skill system that involves points will lead to point-dumping, and when people know they got 60 points, they'll look for the highest sustainable damage output and place them accordingly. For every 1000 builds that people will come up with, only a handful would make sense. The rest would be shooting themselves in the foot while the others will post guides about how awesome their choices are, and suddenly 99% of the playerbase will be following those guides.

Quote from Ferret

People give the proposed rune system less credit than it deserves in my eyes. If you dump all runes into one skill until you get the affixes that you want, you're gonna have plenty of other skills that will have horrible runes. A player who spreads their runes out will probably find that they have a better selection of skills available. Forget following a guide as well, because even though you can use a template, if the runes just don't roll in favor of the guide, you'll be using other skills to "supplement" shortcomings of the recommended template.

Quote from Ferret

As far as the stats go, I don't really see how it could be reworked to be "better" Hardly anyone makes mentionable suggestions, and lets face it - once the best stat for your class is picked, you'll only ever place stats in other slots until you reach certain softcaps. If you don't implement softcaps, balancing becomes an issue.

Quote from Kickin_It

Well, I'm not really sure that's feasible from a design standpoint. The game's not going to keep track of the stats that were on the rune that the Super Rune Dust 7 (or whatever you want to call it) came from. I think any stats should still be random. In fact, I think it would actually make more sense if crafted Runes didn't have stats on them at all, so there would still be a sense of prestige and a reason to find your Runes instead of craft them. But it wouldn't be so difficult to get the Rune effect you're looking for, so you can still take luck somewhat out of the equation in playing how you want to play.

Quote from theSkaBoss

If you don't plan on respeccing willy-nilly, why is there a big assumption that a lot of other people will?

Also, I think that people will find the merchants to serve as very viable gold sinks. Of course, who knows? They might wear out their usefulness in the late game. But they have a lot more potential than Blizzard has let on, I think, and I find it extremely likely that making skills a gold sink, while perhaps viable in a gameplay sort of way, would have just felt out of place. It wouldn't have contributed to the feel or personality of the game. It doesn't logically follow that money can influence your talents, and I think that on a very back-of-the-mind level, that would have bothered the players who want to feel immersed in Sanctuary.

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This was posted in the latest DiabloCast thread, and it's a little off-topic there, but here...

Quote from MasterFischer

So let's say you get a lvl 7 rune, socket it, and u dont get the effect u want, You can SALVAGE this rune, for some other awesome stuff...Like if u salvage 5 lvl 7 runes, you can craft the lvl 7 rune of your choice..

I think this is actually a pretty clever idea. You still get the random effect that some people like, but there's a system in place to avoid endless farming without ever getting what you want that makes other people hate the idea of the random effects. I think this would be a great compromise...thoughts?

Quote from Nanaki_Son_Of_Seto

Also no skill points and gear being SO important to build strength now is really gay and noobish. Anyways I hate everything they have done with the game recently, I have decided not to buy it/play it, if I change my mind it will be strictly for the story.

Quote from Nanaki_Son_Of_Seto

*Edit 2* Blizzard said that they did "what everyone seemed to want" with the real money buying items deal. How come they didnt listen to anything else that everyone seemed to want?(there are plenty of examples on this site as well as the other fan sites with people saying it would be cool if there were this and there were some things that a lot of people liked none of which got implemented) sounds to me like they were just after what they wanted, money.

Quote from socialcockroach

What you seem to fail to realize is that instead of augmenting skills via a skill tree, we are doing it through the rune system. And since Blizzard wants to make top tier runes extremely rare, unique to the spell it is used on, and with random enchants, finding the perfect rune for your skill is not going to be easy. This means that you probably wont be swapping spells around "at a whim" end game, unless you have completely perfected all of your spells. Chances are, this will take quite some time. And with regards to the fact that runes will be a random drop, this will make the skill system a little closer to Diablo 1 where you had to collect books for your abilities.

One could argue that these runes are only variations of one spell but let me point out that these "variations" can take a base spell and make its use completely different. For instance, you take a skill like whirlwind and you give it a rune to knock back enemies, you have just turned it in to an escape mechanism. You modify it so that it applies a confusion effect on enemies, you have made it an aoe crowd control. How you choose to tailor your spells to your play style will determine what other spells will compliment it best. This is a huge step away from cookie cutter builds as it will be very hard to say that "effect a" is far superior to "effect b" since both effects will synergies with other spells in different ways. Sure you could try to maximize damage, but that simply means that that is where you put the most value... this doesn't mean it is the "best" option. Will this end cookie cutter builds? No. But then, nothing will. What it does do is make it so that these so-called "optimum" builds will be much less concrete.

On a final note, I think it is definitely a good thing for people to voice their opinions both for and against the system but I also think it is important that every one realize that we haven't really seen these systems in action yet. It is not good to immediately draw a conclusion and reject all other possibilities with out having the full picture in mind. And this goes for people who support the system as well; I remain optimistic, but I concede that it is possible it wont be all that great. If you have doubts, that is fine but at least be open to giving things a chance. If you really don't like it, just wait for reviews of the game to come out before making a purchase. Simple as that.

Quote from theSkaBoss

Out of curiosity, are you going to respec on a whim since you can?

Quote from theSkaBoss

Maybe we should see if there's a problem before we go about fixing it, hmm?

Quote from Epsilemna

I won't miss the tradition of playing a cookie-cutter build. Being able to use all skills available to your class at all times with just about the same amount of power, although with some major differences thanks to the runes, will make the game more interesting.