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They said they can have mechanics like reduced durations and stuff for pvp, not completely different damage numbers

I assume you're referring to Jay Wilson's quote on their "snowy system" which is the system that's already implemented to separate PvP and PvE ability effects when necessary.

What he ACTUALLY said was that it would get "tricky" when tweaking damage numbers. I would think the vast majority of design development would be classified as "tricky." Tricky doesn't mean it can't be done. It just means it might take a little effort. Explain to me what else the "PvP team" is responsible for if not this?

idk what's so hard about tweaking dmg

-20% dmg on pvp for all skills so hard

-30% on really high hitting skills so hard

Because we have no idea how scaling works.. for example WoW.. most spells benefit from stats/spell power differently.. so you just can't lower base damage.. because .. it could change scaling in big way, or it wouldn't makes much difference when most spell power are from items anyway... This is probably the tricky part.

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There may be no real discussion about this system, because there´s no point to not like it as Leeodin says and because it didn´t get much attention in the interviews and on the news.

I think it´s a great way to show your skills, especially in hardcore mode, as you hopefully need guts to take the risk for some of the really crazy achievements.

It could also be useful in making some areas of the game more attractive.

D2 already had that in the form of titles - King/Guardian

There are a few differences. In D2 the title was something exclusive of your character. So while you play with your new toon noone knows you're actually a god (if u're one).

In D3 they cna make the banner show stuff like:
Finished Hell HC with Barb
Finished Hell HC with Wiz
Finished the game at Normal without trading any items and without uisng town portals (iron man) with class x.
Finished Hell without equiping any items (nake run)
Defeated 50 players in an row without dying once in PvP matchs

If you're a avid player, whenever someone see your banner, they will see the hardest acomplishments you did in the game. It doesn't really matter if you have bad ass gear or not, you might have bought it with you money anyway. But kill 50 people in an row? You surely can't buy that.

And to be honest, any of those achievements i created seens much more interesting then simply farm for many hours. Skill and effort in completing specific tasks it's a much better parameter to show whos the best player.

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There may be no real discussion about this system, because there´s no point to not like it as Leeodin says and because it didn´t get much attention in the interviews and on the news.

I think it´s a great way to show your skills, especially in hardcore mode, as you hopefully need guts to take the risk for some of the really crazy achievements.

It could also be useful in making some areas of the game more attractive.

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What I don't understand is why they are making it clear how casual PvP will be. I'm sure everyone can agree that the PvP community was MUCH larger than the real money trading community in D2. Why does it feel like they are giving support to such a smaller community with the RM AH and really limiting what we will be able to do with PvP.

What is so hard to understand about the casual pvp, pvp was casual in Diablo 2, this is Diablo 3 so they want to keep the game true to its roots, i don't see how the RM AH has anything to do with that to be honest.

And you cant really compared the money/resources/time investment it takes to add RM AH to a competitive pvp system that needs constant attention when it comes to nerfing and buffing all the builds/skills/runestone effects/items etc...

You're wrong, pvp was played competitively in D2, don't assume that just because you played casually it was the case for everyone. There was even a list of top duelers in diabloii, pkhq, and lurkers.


I will repeat myself, Its not up to Blizzard to decided if pvp will be competitive in D3, if the community mobilize, people will make it happen, just like in Dota and TF2 (banning items, op skills, and such)

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I'm also getting sick of the words 'Competitive' and 'E-Sport' being used as if they're exactly the same.

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Hmm, i don't remember seeing an official ranking system/ladder for pvp in Diablo 2, its been some years since i was actively pvping in HC but i cant remember anything about blizzard officially supporting anything besides casual pvping/duels.

If im wrong then im sorry but im getting old

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What I don't understand is why they are making it clear how casual PvP will be. I'm sure everyone can agree that the PvP community was MUCH larger than the real money trading community in D2. Why does it feel like they are giving support to such a smaller community with the RM AH and really limiting what we will be able to do with PvP.

What is so hard to understand about the casual pvp, pvp was casual in Diablo 2, this is Diablo 3 so they want to keep the game true to its roots, i don't see how the RM AH has anything to do with that to be honest.

And you cant really compared the money/resources/time investment it takes to add RM AH to a competitive pvp system that needs constant attention when it comes to nerfing and buffing all the builds/skills/runestone effects/items etc...

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I'm also getting sick of the words 'Competitive' and 'E-Sport' being used as if they're exactly the same.

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Atm they are only considering one game mode for launch as far as I know (TDM). Blizzard is not the kind of company who would just go "Hey, they want X mode, let's just throw it in there". No, they would make sure that it is properly done. I mean what is the point of CtF if it turns out that the only viable class is the Demon Hunter? They have to solve such issues without creating separate solutions for each mode since that is way too confusing.

But Jay said that pvp will be terribly unbalanced, so, who cares about the CD in different game modes anyway?

It will be terribly unbalanced, but they wouldn't even create a PvP mode in the first place if they didn't intend to make it playable. Balance issues is not normally a problem since the matchmaking system will find fair fights anyway, and that is why they have made it very clear that it won't be an eSport. In an eSport there are tournaments and rankings, and obviously the best builds that would be considered extremely OP would dominate. So when they say that it will be unbalanced they are not saying that it will be unplayable, and the will do their best to make sure that it is enjoyable as a casual game mode. Adjusting cooldowns and crowd control durations is a part of that.

Again. Diablo 3 is a casual game not a competitive game. Every choice Blizzard makes will be in favor of casual gameplay. If you want competitive gameplay you are looking at the wrong title, and arguing that Blizzard is making a mistake by not making it competitive is like arguing that IceFrog made a mistake by not making DotA casual.

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I didn't have a problem with one death per round but I prefer respawns over it. What is better than killing someone once? Killing them twice. After that? Killing them thrice! Hat trick! That will get some people raging, looking forward to it.

I too think that blizzard should have kept in more options though. The game isn't out yet, so they can still put the one death per round in again if they want.

When u kill some1 9000 times in 1 min it gets boring really fast.

How would you know? You weren't invited to play the new PVP mode were you.. ? It's pretty stupid how all of you are "omg this sucks so bad boo hoo boo hoo", when you guys haven't even tried it out to determine how fun or not fun it is. If you don't like it, don't play it. Pretty simple if you ask me. :/

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Actually I don't care if I win or lose, only about having fun doing either thing.

I bet they can't have both modes at the same time for balance reasons. A skill (such as the 2 min cd ones mentioned by Blizz) might be possible to use once per round in last man standing, but in deathmatch that would equal many fights without having access to one of your most powerful skills. If they reduce the cooldown to suit deathmatch better then it might cause balance issues in last man standing.

They will alter cooldowns for PvP, but I doubt they would do it for each separate game mode since that would mean way too much confusion for casuals. And Diablo 3 is very directed towards casuals.

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You were always fighting the same person multiple times. In the old arena, you just did it in multiple rounds.

I am happy with this change. I would hate to die right off the bat and have to sit there and wait for up to 3 mins while the rest dueled it out. Either way, we are fighting the same team for the same duration. They just got rid of people having to wait to fight again. Looking at the old videos, it seems that the rounds ended too quickly anyway. Why wait for a whole fresh reset when you can just keep the action going in the same round.