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Thanks for the deeper insight on why its so hard to balance. It makes more sense now.

But yea... still sorta uneasy about Bashiok not refuting that a 6-year old could be competitive with anyone. I hope he was just ignoring the extremity of that question and not actually agreeing with it.

I realize Diablo III is a PvE foused game... But at some point the story is told, and the PvE turns into just a grind. And if all that is left when this occurs is a half-assed PvP then I think players will leave fairly quickly. There are only so many people who will grind for the sake of grinding.

Also, What are the odds blizz implements a way of knowing if someones items were dropped/a gift/crafted/purchased for gold/purchased for dollars when you inspect them? I wonder if they've considered this. I would like this. Any thoughts for/against? Though... I just realized, even if there was a little icon to say "Purchased with dollars" you still wouldn't know if they earned those dollars from in-game sales or transferred from their credit card...

There has already been a thread regarding labeling people who bought items with real money. It will never make it in game, it segregates the community. Even without the RMAH people would buy items with money, this just makes it more convenient, and if it allows Blizzard to properly support Diablo 3 and keep it lag, bug and hack free then fantastic.
Here is a quote from the other thread that wraps up the whole labeling people quite nicely:
"It's like this really:


1 guy is a dedicated gamer

1 guy is a busy workaholic

Both players enjoy Diablo 3 the same on the BASIC levels of the game, however ! The workaholic doesn't have time or dedication to finding all the items and spending endless hours on the stuff himself. He doesn't think that buying stuff is a cop-out, because he spends time playing the game looking for items, but not enough to get him the endgame stuff. He spends his time working, socializing and what not. This gives him money. He uses the money to spend on entertainment, he uses diablo 3 as casual entertainment, because he ackknowledges that he doesn't have the time required to farm every item in the game.

Now is he a bad guy? Does he care less about the game overall? No. But he uses the system to get the things he wants. If he wants to buy the entire game of items and think that's fun, then why is that wrong? How is that more wrong, than the dedicated game-aholic who spends all his freetime playing to get items and then perhaps sell them to get more items?

The dedicated gamer gets angry, because he feels that his way of playing and having fun,is perhaps the correct one, and he therefore looks down on the busy workaholic guy for buying items. He demands satisfaction.

Both gamers are having equal fun, with farming or buying stuff and then enjoying the game." - BrokenTomato

Thanks for the info from the other post. This makes sense, and I agree with most of it. Though, the person you described should have no reason to feel ashamed... and thus shouldn't care that it is revealed that they bought their items with real money....

I guess most of my reason for wanting a system of identification like this is if their was a quality PvP system implemented. That way if someone was say ranked #1, but they bought all their items... Then I could say, well... whatever, I don't feel so inferior... That guy just bought his #1 spot. Or, even better, have a whole other ladder for people using only dropped items etc....

I'm not the type to flame anyone, but I guess that could also happen, which obviously blizz would try and avoid.

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Thanks for the deeper insight on why its so hard to balance. It makes more sense now.

But yea... still sorta uneasy about Bashiok not refuting that a 6-year old could be competitive with anyone. I hope he was just ignoring the extremity of that question and not actually agreeing with it.

I realize Diablo III is a PvE foused game... But at some point the story is told, and the PvE turns into just a grind. And if all that is left when this occurs is a half-assed PvP then I think players will leave fairly quickly. There are only so many people who will grind for the sake of grinding.

Also, What are the odds blizz implements a way of knowing if someones items were dropped/a gift/crafted/purchased for gold/purchased for dollars when you inspect them? I wonder if they've considered this. I would like this. Any thoughts for/against? Though... I just realized, even if there was a little icon to say "Purchased with dollars" you still wouldn't know if they earned those dollars from in-game sales or transferred from their credit card...

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Yeah, and it would definitely just take two minutes to implement too, damn them lazy bastards.

Currently we have 1, I repeat ONE single arena mode for PvP. Are you really trying to infer that this is an acceptable balance of development time compared to the other 99.9999999999% of the game that's completely devoted to PvE?

I understand this is primarily a PvE game, and I'm fine with that. The point is that it would take a very minute amount of effort (when compared with PvE developement) to implement a few creative PvP options. It wouldn't hurt ANYONE and the game would be much more well-rounded and draw in a broader audience because of it.

If even a fraction of development was spent on PvP (judging by how awesome PvE is looking) I have no doubt we could have a great PvP experience in Diablo 3.

Explain to me what the responsibilities of the "PvP strike team" (Jay Wilson quote) are again? What do they even do?

- no balance

- no design

- no ranking system

WTF do they do?

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Have they confirmed nightmare mode? They might of ditched Nightmare for hell. I would love Norm, Nm , Hell , Inferno tho and make it so you need a party to survive. Unless you are the best of the best.

Normal, Nightmare & Hell Difficulty levels had been the thread since the original DIABLO I was released in 1997. For those of you who haven't even tried playing the original game, don't make assumptions based on what you only began to realize from D2.
More so, Blizzard wont be a fool to just take out Nightmare or Hell difficulty levels from the equation for that matter since it has been on Diablo I & II.

As images from the recently held press event would prove, there is a Nightmare difficulty level which shows & proves that those people who played the in-house Alpha, are between levels 30-35 when they are starting to play Nightmare difficulty ACTS I & II. You can verify this by looking at the said images closely.
There is a Normal difficulty: http://media-diablofans.cursecdn.com/attachments/7/778/635170212877460775.jpg
& also a Nightmare difficulty: http://media-diablofans.cursecdn.com/attachments/7/777/635170212860949124.JPG

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Getting rid of skill points forces the character customization to be based on equipment.
Customization = equipment --> trading --> $$ for Blizzard
We can still customize...for a price (which is a good business model)

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Ok, so I dont know if I am missing something here or not. People are arguing that they are basically taking out the players choice and consequences for their actions because you can freely choose which skills to use at any given time (which I agree). So, what if the player still had to choose which skill to use out of their 6 and they could not change it after they selected it. The skills still scale with level and are made more powerful. With that being said, you keep respec in the game to change your 6 skills that are alotted to you. This way, the players choices have consequences, there is a cost to change skills around, and this still eliminates the skill system. I just dont think that people should be able to choose whatever skill to use at any given time, that just doesnt make since to me. You are going to use whatever skill set is effective for whatever types of monsters you are fighting at that time and change it as you go. I dont feel like people have to make very many decisions and everything is handed to you on a silver platter. If anything, they should make it where it costs the player something to change their 6 skills around...by thats just me, anyone see any problems with this?

This is exactly what a couple of other people and I have asked for. It retains their system and allows us to actually make choices beyond putting them in our skill bar.

1. You don't know ANYTHING about limits and costs of respecs or anything yet... wait for it before you complain, there will be costs and respec limits.

2. Respeccing skills in 6 + 3 is not that easy and fast, once you choose your skills you are supposed to stick with them for a while, so choose wisely.

3. Runestones makes you focus on which 6 spells you want to be using alot, so, you don't want to just use all spells all time. You want to use the spells you think is fun and the spells which u play with best, and focus on them with runes, items, gems etc..

4. You can't switch spells on the fly, while in combat, or even in a dungeon.

5. Not being able to change the 6 spells you choose, would be the same as D2 in away, you CAN always respec, if u wanna try anothe rbuild, and u can always refocus ur runes, but it takes alot of cost and work to do so.

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Ok, so I dont know if I am missing something here or not. People are arguing that they are basically taking out the players choice and consequences for their actions because you can freely choose which skills to use at any given time (which I agree). So, what if the player still had to choose which skill to use out of their 6 and they could not change it after they selected it. The skills still scale with level and are made more powerful. With that being said, you keep respec in the game to change your 6 skills that are alotted to you. This way, the players choices have consequences, there is a cost to change skills around, and this still eliminates the skill system. I just dont think that people should be able to choose whatever skill to use at any given time, that just doesnt make since to me. You are going to use whatever skill set is effective for whatever types of monsters you are fighting at that time and change it as you go. I dont feel like people have to make very many decisions and everything is handed to you on a silver platter. If anything, they should make it where it costs the player something to change their 6 skills around...by thats just me, anyone see any problems with this?

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It only took me about 4 hours of playing D2 to become disenchanted with the skill system. I don't know why people love it so much. The insane diminishing returns made actually maximizing builds tedious and unrewarding and the addition of synergies later just exacerbated the problem by forcing an even greater point expenditure just to max your chosen skill. As Jay pointed out in the interview, you were forced to pick a skill or two to focus on which stifled diversity. And what if you wanted to try a different build? Reroll, start from level 1, and grind out everything once again.

This new system, on the other hand, completely removes those problems. It lets the players enjoy every aspect of their class and tailor it to fit their style without cringing every time they have to drop another point in the same skill just so they can keep progressing. Furthermore, since they'll know exactly how powerful the base skills are at any given level then they'll know exactly how strong to make the enemies in order to provide the appropriate challenge. The true variables are equipment and runes, the latter of which essentially lets you choose from ~100-110 different options for those six active skill slots.

Some people are really upset by this decision. Nothing wrong with that. But let's maybe give the game a chance before deciding that it's completely ruined. I fully expect that most of the naysayers are going to come around and find D3 to be just as rich and rewarding as they found D2. As for me, I've never been more excited for this game than I am right now.

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I want the ability to make my character different, and with their system you lose that ability.

Easy, just choose 6 skills no one is is using, and mix it with 3 passives that prove to help those 6 active skills.. Find, put in, and keep the runes that help the 6 active skills even further for the playstyle you CHOOSE to make with your character.. ...

Easy, breasy, Beautifull, Diablo 3 ...

Actually with their system you CAN gain a much bigger amount of customization, with the 5 runes on top, which each has 7 levels, and can give a wide variation of randomize stats or/and abillities, it gives an even bigger customization depth..

There's a reason why it's more like Guildwars.. Guildwars has a great system, it doesn't punish you already massive amount of hours spent on your character by making you create a brand new one, JUST because you put in 1 single wrong spec in your stats..
Instead it punish you in-game when you fight enemies.. If you got a bad combination of skills, both active and passive, your char. will die a lot and/or get overrun by the teammates you play with, hence getting no kills (which is most of the fun in a game like Diablo or any ARPG) and thereby punishing you in a much better fashion.. And instead of having to create a brand new char. your friends having to wait for you to be their level again etc., you can use the UNANNOUCED skillswap mechanic to change you loadout of skills..
You try out the new one, find it's better and there, 100 hours and "slavering"-gameplay saved.. (50 hours spent on the char you already made, and the 50 hours you'll spend on the new char.)

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They need to bring back Last Man Standing, and some sort of Ranking system to keep people who play the game for it's endgame PvP, actually playing further down the line. I've said this like 9 times over the past two days in posts, but you can make a game competitive without turning it into an E-Sport. Achievements don't matter much to most people who have played a game competitively.

I 100% agree