DiabloFans

Have any of you noticed that he looks like the man who followed the Dark Wanderer in the cutscenes in Diablo 2?

Quote from Ranim

Have any of you noticed that he looks like the man who followed the Dark Wanderer in the cutscenes in Diablo 2?

Tyrael? You might want to watch those again, Marius (that guy) was balding and frail. Tyrael looks physically powerful, and his hands are probably the size of Marius' upper torso..

Quote from Eid_ot_emit

I find the entire Tyrael plot line to be the worst plot line, and biggest flaw, in Diablo 3. It isn't conceptually that abysmal, but its delivery is downright awful. I really hope these gaps in logic and story are explained and fleshed out in coming expansions. Doesn't have to be much, just some dialogue threads.

It's my belief that the Tyrael plot line will indeed be a key part of the future story. Prophecy of the End of Days starts with 'And at the End of Days, Wisdom shall be lost as Justice falls upon the world of men.' In-game lore makes it sound like Malthael has been missing for quite some time, while the prophecy sounds like what goes down happens recently.

Just so happens that Tyrael becomes mortal, abandons his Justice aspect for no reason and takes up, you guessed it, the role of Wisdom. (Evil cannot be stopped, we must destroy the soulstone to do so! Oh, the Nephalem beat down Diablo? Hurrah, Justice has been served! Wait, who smashed the soulstone? No one? What do you mean 'it fell'? Who in the Burning Hells thought that was a good idea? Oh well.)

What kicks off the prophecy, which Deckard Cain says is a warning about 'the ultimate invasion of our world by the Hells'? Wisdom being lost, which now has a mortal as its aspect. The same mortal that gave up Justice without anyone, that we know of, replacing it, leaving it to 'the world of men' to mete out future Justice against the Hells.

The enchantress says in one of her dialogues that angels and demons don't have free will, that they only follow their "natures". Tyrael, by choosing not to be an angel he defied his own "nature" and hence changed it, making him mortal, but not necessarily human. In any case, demons, angels and nephalem all belong to a monistic universe (Anu) so everything shares the nature of everything else and the differences are merely aspects of reality reflected in their forms, not the intrinsic nature of beings. This means that if things can change that manifestation they would change their apparent nature thus becoming something else, in the case of Tyrael, a mortal (and possibly a human)

About him being Justice and dying, he could not be bound to ageing, so if he's not killed he would be mortal, but won't die of old age

Quote from okrane

Let me give you the explanation, blunt and simple. Diablo (lore, games, books and all that) is a franchise made for kids, teenagers and gaming adults. This means the people here are not very bright and are not expecting a logically sound masterpiece a la Dostoyevsky or Shakespeare or whatever other good story.
It's a franchise made for you to kill shit catering to the same kids that like Twilight, Harry Potter. You can get away with shit in order to make it feel "epic" and the player to feel "awesome and important". Whatever that means.

Your prejudices about teenagers and gaming adults makes you everything but "bright", I'm afraid...

And don't you dare mention neither Diablo nor Harry Potter in the same sentence as Twilight...

Quote from Choda

So yeah, we see Tyrael willingly give up his place in Angiris council, and he falls down to Sanctuary becoming... human.

He never became human, he became mortal.
Mortal means he can die, nothing more. He is still an angel and, according to the closing cinematic, he remains mortal while he's back in heaven and he now stands as wisdom (instead of justice).

Always glad when people look harder into the story and find things like this. Maybe the XPac will fix the plothole o.o

What exactly do the novels say when mentioning there is "nothing" human about angels? Curious about that.

Here is how I rationalize it and to me it makes perfect sense.

When 2 beings mate, what they create is not entirely new. The offspring is part of each of them. This would mean that there must be human qualities within angels AND demons.

Strip away the righteousness and good from angels, or the malevolence and evil from demons, and underneath there is something human within them both.

So when I look at offspring, I know that whatever made them resembles them in some way, at some level. It's not a stretch at all in my mind for him to look human (although if he was CALLED human I would have a slight problem with that).

Quote from Eldius

As a member of the angelic host, and part of the Angiris Council no less, Tyrael was very limited in what he could do to aid mortals in the fight against the seven evils. By surrendering his rank as the Angel of Justice, and becoming a mortal himself (transubstantiation), he was finally able to act. Those actions also both protected him from Diablo's assault on the Crystal Arch, and made him subject to mortal emotions such as doubt. Taking up the mantle of Wisdom and becoming mortal, has put Tyrael in a position to be killed, thus initiating the Prophecy of the End of Days.

Exactly what you say bro. By shedding his angelic form (for the lack of a better word) he looses part of his angelic nature. His acts are both acts of wisdom and justice. On the one hand he cannot do nothing while the Nephalem are wronged for something they didn't do. On the other hand it was wise of him to act the way he did (reasons in the quote ^^).

@Glowyrm. Angels aren't made from intercourse but are born from the silver spire. It is the other way around. Humans have the quality of both, but angels aren't human.

And I personally love Tyreal's role in the plot !

Quote from Pacotez

he is a mortal
a mortal archangel
not a human
he still have his powers

^ This

Quote from Capitano666

Quote from Choda

So yeah, we see Tyrael willingly give up his place in Angiris council, and he falls down to Sanctuary becoming... human.

He never became human, he became mortal.
Mortal means he can die, nothing more. He is still an angel and, according to the closing cinematic, he remains mortal while he's back in heaven and he now stands as wisdom (instead of justice).

And This^

Quote from maka

Uhm....angels are supposed to be made of pure energy, not flesh and blood. If he is still and angel (albeit mortal), and not human, how come he has a human body?

I'd like to refer to Dogma to answer this one. If you haven't seen it, go watch it now. Great movie!!!