You know, the most likely scenario is that all these "ufos" are simply government test craft.
Hell, that first video looked like a satellite falling out of orbit, or a meteorite burning up.
And I'd bet some of those "UFOs" were probably Nighthawks back in the 70s and 80s.
Area 51, a remote site, in a near uninhabitable desert, being used to test secret military crafts? That almost makes sense...
Actually i believe they have shown a great deal of the UFO crash sites like Roswell (which would have been a military balloon, project mogul (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Mogul), used for detecting soviet nuclear testing) have been top secret military projects. This does nothing to say that there isn't extra terrestrial life. I'm just guessing if life is more common then we believe, and that intergalactic space-travel is a possibility, any alien life-form capable of it would have much more important things to do then interfere with us rock-apes... And if able to jump across the galaxy/universe, I think they could do plenty of 'testing' without abducting and probing us...
More on topic: Some common themes I've noticed for discussing the likelihood of alien life are a tendancy to assume life has to be quite simialr to ourselves, while in reality we are constantly discovering new extremophiles which push the boundaries of what the limits of our biosphere are. (An interesting story related to this broke recently: Extremophile bacteria discovered in a isolated salt lake http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2009/04/17/blood-falls-glacier-bacteria.html)
There is nothing to suggest that life needs DNA/RNA or even something similar in structure, it's just that all life as we know it is based off of it. Same applies to the need for water, and other certain elements, precise temperatures, pressures, light, etc... We simply don't know what varied forms of life are possible, especially if the replicator theories for abiogenesis are true. By having a replicator capable of small changes of form (mutations) in a suitable environment, it's theoretically possible to have life (organized complexity) adapt from its very beginnings to very different conditions.
I wouldn't say I'm 100% sure theres life out there, but given the expanse of the universe, and how little we know about it and the complexity of the physics its based off of, extra terrestrial life of some sort seems more likely then not.
It doesn't matter if life exists outside our solar system.
Don't let your imaginations run wild here. Clearly, some of you watch too many sci-fi movies, haha.
Think of how old the Earth is. Think of how many millions of years it took for us to get to where we are today. Where are we today? We can't travel beyond our own star system. We won't be able to for a very long time.
Beyond that, the stars we see in the sky are many many many many light years away. If there is a species out there older than ours to be able to advance their civilization to space travel, it would probably take them a very long time to reach Earth, much less FIND it among the sea of stars.
In the millions of years this planet has been here, we've recovered all sorts of fossils of creatures long since extinct. Nope, no alien fossils yet. So it's pretty safe to say that today there is no believable physical evidence that alien life has touched down on Earth. In millions of years. Or is it billions?
Using that logic, it could be another million years before another civilization finds us, if one exists at all. I don't plan on living a million years or more. Do you? Do your children? Do your children's children? Do your children's children's children? Hmm. In the entire birth and death of our planet (I say death because we are prone to destroying ourselves before we propogate in space), I doubt we will see other intelligent life. The odds are against us.
If anything, we're more likely to be discovered as an ancient civilization long since dead. Leaving nothing behind but weathered ruins.
It's a silly topic. Although interesting, if you follow proper logic (and math, I could use math if you want me to) it will inevitably lead you to what we're already sure of. We're absolutely 100% sure that we don't know if alien life exists or not. We'll never know for certain.
I fully believe that this generation of humans may be the first to create technology extending life to unbelievable lengths of time! The only natural reason we die is because our organs fail, so if we can keep our organs healthy or replace them with healthy ones, we won't die or age, really. And if we can completely map the brain, we may be able to transfer our very consciousness to a different body.
So with that in mind, we may all live long enough to make alien contact.
The government is pretty good at covering up what it wants to, even many of the so called leaks you hear about are intentional planted information. Take the alleged power plant networks being compromised or the new story on the US jet fighter project being hacked. I think those stories are a load of bull, they are more likely ruses, a big hackers carrot if you will, to get the wrong people to try and hack into the networks for the purpose of tracking their efforts. If those events really happened, they would not make the news. I can tell you with certainty the government operates more discretely than that. In my current job I have to comply the government's network standard's (STIG's) as laid down by DISA for the DoD and answer to government bodies and have been audited by the OIG.
Which isn't proof. You can't say someone is good at covering stuff up unless they reveal they actually ahve covered something up, because otherwise we don't know there is a cover up.
Meaning, until they actually say they have hid aliens, we can't know that they are actualyl hiding aliens. If they are good at covering up stuff that is.
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I don't live all too far from Area 51, and many people in Vegas unofficially work at undisclosed locations, I know a number of people who have military security clearance and cannot tell me what they do. Many of them have told me "there are some things the public are better off not knowing" with respect to government secrets. Many of them do believe we are not alone, of course I never get any elaboration on what they might know.
Or they think it's good the public doesn't know the US is researching anti-matter bombs or something to that effect. Doesn't mean they've got aliens in there just because their employees are mysterious about it.
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There is nothing to suggest that life needs DNA/RNA or even something similar in structure, it's just that all life as we know it is based off of it. Same applies to the need for water, and other certain elements, precise temperatures, pressures, light, etc... We simply don't know what varied forms of life are possible, especially if the replicator theories for abiogenesis are true. By having a replicator capable of small changes of form (mutations) in a suitable environment, it's theoretically possible to have life (organized complexity) adapt from its very beginnings to very different conditions.
True enough, but if you look at the human body, we have a lot of the more light elements in us: Hydrogen, carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, kalium, calcium, iron, etc. If we're talking about complex life, it probably needs a lot of different elements as well to regulate different body functions.
Now bacteria is another things, but how fun is it to find bacteria when you could find something better?
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Think of how old the Earth is. Think of how many millions of years it took for us to get to where we are today. Where are we today? We can't travel beyond our own star system. We won't be able to for a very long time.
But that doesn't mean someone elsewhere in the Universe can't.
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Beyond that, the stars we see in the sky are many many many many light years away. If there is a species out there older than ours to be able to advance their civilization to space travel, it would probably take them a very long time to reach Earth, much less FIND it among the sea of stars.
Or, they've invented a form of superluminal travel (wormsholes etc.)
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In the millions of years this planet has been here, we've recovered all sorts of fossils of creatures long since extinct. Nope, no alien fossils yet. So it's pretty safe to say that today there is no believable physical evidence that alien life has touched down on Earth. In millions of years. Or is it billions?
or we've just been unlucky. Not a whole lot of the Earth's crust has been serached, and not very much is saved through the eons by Mother Nature.
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Using that logic, it could be another million years before another civilization finds us, if one exists at all. I don't plan on living a million years or more. Do you? Do your children? Do your children's children? Do your children's children's children? Hmm. In the entire birth and death of our planet (I say death because we are prone to destroying ourselves before we propogate in space), I doubt we will see other intelligent life. The odds are against us.
And that doesn't make any sense at all. There's no logical reason in here why they can't appear on our doorstep tonight.
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It's a silly topic. Although interesting, if you follow proper logic (and math, I could use math if you want me to) it will inevitably lead you to what we're already sure of. We're absolutely 100% sure that we don't know if alien life exists or not. We'll never know for certain.
Until we find it of course
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I fully believe that this generation of humans may be the first to create technology extending life to unbelievable lengths of time! The only natural reason we die is because our organs fail, so if we can keep our organs healthy or replace them with healthy ones, we won't die or age, really. And if we can completely map the brain, we may be able to transfer our very consciousness to a different body.
So with that in mind, we may all live long enough to make alien contact.
It's a whole lot more complicated than just replacing your organs. There are a host of body functions you need to work around, especially the programmed cell-death that all cells have except for two: stem cells and cancer cells.
Dying is, from an evolutionary view, much more profitable than eternal life, the main reason being the damage a being suffers from too long life in the form of cell mutations. Eternal life is probably quite far off yet.
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I agree with you to some extend although i do hope you realize it wasn't exactly that long ago that we discovered Dinosaur fossils.
From my understanding many fossils have long been found in China... Unfortunately most had been thought to be Dragon bones and ground up to be used in traditional Chinese medicine... (same goes for a lot of non-dinosaur fossils including perhaps some related to human ancestory... :()
@PhrozenDragon: Your definitely right about the basic elements being necessary for more complex of life... And cancer/cell death, a lot of diseases they are finding have to do with the accumulation of toxic proteins in the body (Alzheimer would be one), something that degraded DNA would only be more likely to produce...
I fully believe in the existence of extra-terrestrials, but I highly doubt that most of these "UFOs" are actually ET's. Hell, even what Alderin saw may have just been another country's satellites in the vicinity. I do fully believe that most of the UFO sightings are either hoaxes or military craft.
Perhpas ... PERHAPS, one or two may have been legit. But I doubt that.
But to play devil's advocate (to the poster that was talking about the long distances they'd need to travel), perhaps they've learned to understand and create wormholes or other technology?
It's a whole lot more complicated than just replacing your organs. There are a host of body functions you need to work around, especially the programmed cell-death that all cells have except for two: stem cells and cancer cells.
Dying is, from an evolutionary view, much more profitable than eternal life, the main reason being the damage a being suffers from too long life in the form of cell mutations. Eternal life is probably quite far off yet.
Even if it is, the technology to preserve cells has existed for decades and will only have improved in the future. Cryogenic freezing is not out of the question and so can theoretically extend anyone's lifespan until the necessary technology to prevent or circumvent cell death is discovered.
not only senescence, but also as phrozen said, a lot of other problems.. the diseases and disorders associated with aging.
because we breed at a young age (15-35) we are able to pass on to our kids disorders or susceptibilities that will only strike in late life.
this process over thousands of years has produced the accumulation of tons of problems associated with old age that include but also go way beyond organ failure.
as for cryogenic freezing..
no one has ever been revived have they?
i'd say they were no longer alive then
but that could be an option in the way future
to stay on topic, i think aliens exist for reasons already mentioned here:
galaxy is too vast and all that nonsense
(sort of doubt that aliens have ever visited us though.. open minded but skeptical too)
edit: btw my bf is obsessed with the book, chariot of the gods. it's a good read for anyone who wants to indulge in the theories and evidence that aliens shaped early human history
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they'll never see me coming.. life is a sequence of tragedies, inconsistent only by fleeting, elusive moments of pleasure,
serving only to ensure absolute vulnerability to the pain of their inevitable absence.
If they could ever kill someone, leave them dead for a month (preserving their body), and then bring them back to life, that'd probably be the biggest thing in human history.
Yeah, I would indeed congratulate the government on a job well done for hiding the secret all this time; if there is a secret.
I mean, Area 51? My best non-alien related guess is that it is out there for nuclear weapon testing.
We have a nuclear test site here, it's about 100 miles away, they stopped testing Nukes years ago and almost tested the MOAB until people freaked out.
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Which isn't proof. You can't say someone is good at covering stuff up unless they reveal they actually ahve covered something up, because otherwise we don't know there is a cover up.
Meaning, until they actually say they have hid aliens, we can't know that they are actualyl hiding aliens. If they are good at covering up stuff that is.
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Or they think it's good the public doesn't know the US is researching anti-matter bombs or something to that effect. Doesn't mean they've got aliens in there just because their employees are mysterious about it.
Yes sure, I agree with all those points, but it is the site where the Roswell stuff supposedly ended up. Either way I believe there are aliens out there, we're in space, we have visited other planets by satellite, and at least 3 astronauts claim to have seen UFO's and believe this too. It's really not much of a stretch to think there are more advanced life forms out in space that have made their way here.
If they could ever kill someone, leave them dead for a month (preserving their body), and then bring them back to life, that'd probably be the biggest thing in human history.
well the reason medics stop reviving a guy after a few minutes after his body shuts down is because he has brain damage.
When the body shuts down, no oxygen gets to the brain, the brain pretty much dead and is permanently damaged, according to todays technology. They could probably put in a cloned brain, but I doubt it would be able to copy all of his memories. It would give him the brain of a baby, and a body of a man.
lol, thats mest up.
Also, if aliens do actually exist, I would start to be scared of monsters in my closet..If they do, than SOO many things we "know" change. Next thing hell is on earth, and Diablo takes over the world..
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what I thought would be very interesting is to send a shuttle with cameras into space, and just keep it close enough to keep video connection with earth, or launch a crew that doesn't care about dying, and is more curious about learning about space, than living. They would be launched into deep space and the inertia would take them to another solar system.
If I was old enough, lived my life, and was obsessed with space, I would definitely do this.
Or they could just put a satellite to orbit around another planet, and they could extend radio/video connections. They could launch a shuttle with cameras and see very far away. easier said than done, I guess. It's less suicidal hehe.
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what I thought would be very interesting is to send a shuttle with cameras into space.
they've done this with a few missions (though usually it's video feed + other data)
look here (past missions) pioneer and galileo ones
and here (current missions) calipso, dawn, mars odyssey, voyager
not a complete list, but that's a good place to look.
with a little research i bet you could even find some video clips from them on the net
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they'll never see me coming.. life is a sequence of tragedies, inconsistent only by fleeting, elusive moments of pleasure,
serving only to ensure absolute vulnerability to the pain of their inevitable absence.
Even if what they saw were actual UFO's (from ET's), I'd say they were satellite type of objects from whatever ET's they were from. I highly doubt they'd send manned vassals to a planet to simply orbit it and look at astronauts in space, and not actually visit it. Seems more productive to just send a satellite or probe.
Even if what they saw were actual UFO's (from ET's), I'd say they were satellite type of objects from whatever ET's they were from. I highly doubt they'd send manned vassals to a planet to simply orbit it and look at astronauts in space, and not actually visit it. Seems more productive to just send a satellite or probe.
A plausible thought, but I would expect an astronaut to be able to tell the difference, after all they are the ones who often launch them into space and pretty much do all the hands on repairs. But if you listen to the video of Gordon Cooper, his two encounters were not while he was in space. Buzz's couldn't have been either, it was keeping pace with them while heading towards the moon.
My answer is: Of course aliens exist!
and yes i am talking about the intelligent kind =p ...
I love astronomy (no not astrology lol), i love physics, i love learning about the universe. The universe is big, so big in fact, that we really cant comprehend how big it is. with this being said even with miniscule probability of intelligent life inhabiting any given planet considering wut we know about the planets in our vascinity now, i still believe there are an countless number of different species of beings in the universe. I think that some of these species are alot smarter than us, and i believe some of these species are alot dumber than us. At this point in our existence however, i do not believe an intelligent being from a different planet has visited earth or even our solar system for that matter. Relativity theory, quantum physics, and numerous equations of the like are of great interest to me and i wish i could see some of the theoretical concepts behind these theories tested in my life time; however, i think i just wont be able to make it that long (im 19 now =p). Interstellar travel in the a star wars like fashion seems just impossible to me with ones time relativity correlating with velocity. if a species has mastered interstellar travel and they do in fact still inhabit a planet and are not nomads (or even if they are), i hope somehow infinite probability brings them to earth and we learn from their technology and theories (lol). but for now, i cant see how interstellar travel would work or how a species may have accomplished it. If i am wrong and the aliens have landed and are somehow hidden away in area 51.. then shame on the US government! (not very likely :))
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Actually i believe they have shown a great deal of the UFO crash sites like Roswell (which would have been a military balloon, project mogul (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Mogul), used for detecting soviet nuclear testing) have been top secret military projects. This does nothing to say that there isn't extra terrestrial life. I'm just guessing if life is more common then we believe, and that intergalactic space-travel is a possibility, any alien life-form capable of it would have much more important things to do then interfere with us rock-apes... And if able to jump across the galaxy/universe, I think they could do plenty of 'testing' without abducting and probing us...
More on topic: Some common themes I've noticed for discussing the likelihood of alien life are a tendancy to assume life has to be quite simialr to ourselves, while in reality we are constantly discovering new extremophiles which push the boundaries of what the limits of our biosphere are. (An interesting story related to this broke recently: Extremophile bacteria discovered in a isolated salt lake http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2009/04/17/blood-falls-glacier-bacteria.html)
There is nothing to suggest that life needs DNA/RNA or even something similar in structure, it's just that all life as we know it is based off of it. Same applies to the need for water, and other certain elements, precise temperatures, pressures, light, etc... We simply don't know what varied forms of life are possible, especially if the replicator theories for abiogenesis are true. By having a replicator capable of small changes of form (mutations) in a suitable environment, it's theoretically possible to have life (organized complexity) adapt from its very beginnings to very different conditions.
I wouldn't say I'm 100% sure theres life out there, but given the expanse of the universe, and how little we know about it and the complexity of the physics its based off of, extra terrestrial life of some sort seems more likely then not.
Don't let your imaginations run wild here. Clearly, some of you watch too many sci-fi movies, haha.
Think of how old the Earth is. Think of how many millions of years it took for us to get to where we are today. Where are we today? We can't travel beyond our own star system. We won't be able to for a very long time.
Beyond that, the stars we see in the sky are many many many many light years away. If there is a species out there older than ours to be able to advance their civilization to space travel, it would probably take them a very long time to reach Earth, much less FIND it among the sea of stars.
In the millions of years this planet has been here, we've recovered all sorts of fossils of creatures long since extinct. Nope, no alien fossils yet. So it's pretty safe to say that today there is no believable physical evidence that alien life has touched down on Earth. In millions of years. Or is it billions?
Using that logic, it could be another million years before another civilization finds us, if one exists at all. I don't plan on living a million years or more. Do you? Do your children? Do your children's children? Do your children's children's children? Hmm. In the entire birth and death of our planet (I say death because we are prone to destroying ourselves before we propogate in space), I doubt we will see other intelligent life. The odds are against us.
If anything, we're more likely to be discovered as an ancient civilization long since dead. Leaving nothing behind but weathered ruins.
It's a silly topic. Although interesting, if you follow proper logic (and math, I could use math if you want me to) it will inevitably lead you to what we're already sure of. We're absolutely 100% sure that we don't know if alien life exists or not. We'll never know for certain.
So with that in mind, we may all live long enough to make alien contact.
Meaning, until they actually say they have hid aliens, we can't know that they are actualyl hiding aliens. If they are good at covering up stuff that is.
Or they think it's good the public doesn't know the US is researching anti-matter bombs or something to that effect. Doesn't mean they've got aliens in there just because their employees are mysterious about it.
True enough, but if you look at the human body, we have a lot of the more light elements in us: Hydrogen, carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, kalium, calcium, iron, etc. If we're talking about complex life, it probably needs a lot of different elements as well to regulate different body functions.
Now bacteria is another things, but how fun is it to find bacteria when you could find something better?
But that doesn't mean someone elsewhere in the Universe can't.
Or, they've invented a form of superluminal travel (wormsholes etc.)
or we've just been unlucky. Not a whole lot of the Earth's crust has been serached, and not very much is saved through the eons by Mother Nature.
And that doesn't make any sense at all. There's no logical reason in here why they can't appear on our doorstep tonight.
Until we find it of course
It's a whole lot more complicated than just replacing your organs. There are a host of body functions you need to work around, especially the programmed cell-death that all cells have except for two: stem cells and cancer cells.
Dying is, from an evolutionary view, much more profitable than eternal life, the main reason being the damage a being suffers from too long life in the form of cell mutations. Eternal life is probably quite far off yet.
A few good links on it would be:
Who found the first fossils: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_found_the_first_dinosaur_fossil
A site that still sells fossilized bone... for 'medicine': http://tcm.health-info.org/Herbology.Materia.Medica/longgu-properties.htm At best I'd say its a disgusting supplement...
@PhrozenDragon: Your definitely right about the basic elements being necessary for more complex of life... And cancer/cell death, a lot of diseases they are finding have to do with the accumulation of toxic proteins in the body (Alzheimer would be one), something that degraded DNA would only be more likely to produce...
Perhpas ... PERHAPS, one or two may have been legit. But I doubt that.
But to play devil's advocate (to the poster that was talking about the long distances they'd need to travel), perhaps they've learned to understand and create wormholes or other technology?
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because we breed at a young age (15-35) we are able to pass on to our kids disorders or susceptibilities that will only strike in late life.
this process over thousands of years has produced the accumulation of tons of problems associated with old age that include but also go way beyond organ failure.
as for cryogenic freezing..
no one has ever been revived have they?
i'd say they were no longer alive then
but that could be an option in the way future
sort of related to that, but also way off topic, there's this group working on cloning for the purpose of brain transfers for immortality
lol
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/HEALTH/12/27/human.cloning/index.html
(more on topic the group is a UFO religion)
to stay on topic, i think aliens exist for reasons already mentioned here:
galaxy is too vast and all that nonsense
(sort of doubt that aliens have ever visited us though.. open minded but skeptical too)
edit: btw my bf is obsessed with the book, chariot of the gods. it's a good read for anyone who wants to indulge in the theories and evidence that aliens shaped early human history
they'll never see me coming..
life is a sequence of tragedies, inconsistent only by fleeting, elusive moments of pleasure,
serving only to ensure absolute vulnerability to the pain of their inevitable absence.
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It'd just be a great technological achievement. I doubt they'd remember, but I guess you could ask someone, "What happened when you died?"
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We have a nuclear test site here, it's about 100 miles away, they stopped testing Nukes years ago and almost tested the MOAB until people freaked out.
Yes sure, I agree with all those points, but it is the site where the Roswell stuff supposedly ended up. Either way I believe there are aliens out there, we're in space, we have visited other planets by satellite, and at least 3 astronauts claim to have seen UFO's and believe this too. It's really not much of a stretch to think there are more advanced life forms out in space that have made their way here.
I'd be interested to know who the other 2 astronauts are?
well the reason medics stop reviving a guy after a few minutes after his body shuts down is because he has brain damage.
When the body shuts down, no oxygen gets to the brain, the brain pretty much dead and is permanently damaged, according to todays technology. They could probably put in a cloned brain, but I doubt it would be able to copy all of his memories. It would give him the brain of a baby, and a body of a man.
lol, thats mest up.
Also, if aliens do actually exist, I would start to be scared of monsters in my closet..If they do, than SOO many things we "know" change. Next thing hell is on earth, and Diablo takes over the world..
If I was old enough, lived my life, and was obsessed with space, I would definitely do this.
Or they could just put a satellite to orbit around another planet, and they could extend radio/video connections. They could launch a shuttle with cameras and see very far away. easier said than done, I guess. It's less suicidal hehe.
Buzz Aldrin - Apollo 11
Gordon Cooper - Mercury-Atlas 9
Edgar Mitchell - Apollo 14
CNN 04.20.09
http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/04/20/ufo.conference/index.html
they've done this with a few missions (though usually it's video feed + other data)
look here (past missions) pioneer and galileo ones
and here (current missions) calipso, dawn, mars odyssey, voyager
not a complete list, but that's a good place to look.
with a little research i bet you could even find some video clips from them on the net
they'll never see me coming..
life is a sequence of tragedies, inconsistent only by fleeting, elusive moments of pleasure,
serving only to ensure absolute vulnerability to the pain of their inevitable absence.
CyberPunk RP Nexus
A plausible thought, but I would expect an astronaut to be able to tell the difference, after all they are the ones who often launch them into space and pretty much do all the hands on repairs. But if you listen to the video of Gordon Cooper, his two encounters were not while he was in space. Buzz's couldn't have been either, it was keeping pace with them while heading towards the moon.
and yes i am talking about the intelligent kind =p ...
I love astronomy (no not astrology lol), i love physics, i love learning about the universe. The universe is big, so big in fact, that we really cant comprehend how big it is. with this being said even with miniscule probability of intelligent life inhabiting any given planet considering wut we know about the planets in our vascinity now, i still believe there are an countless number of different species of beings in the universe. I think that some of these species are alot smarter than us, and i believe some of these species are alot dumber than us. At this point in our existence however, i do not believe an intelligent being from a different planet has visited earth or even our solar system for that matter. Relativity theory, quantum physics, and numerous equations of the like are of great interest to me and i wish i could see some of the theoretical concepts behind these theories tested in my life time; however, i think i just wont be able to make it that long (im 19 now =p). Interstellar travel in the a star wars like fashion seems just impossible to me with ones time relativity correlating with velocity. if a species has mastered interstellar travel and they do in fact still inhabit a planet and are not nomads (or even if they are), i hope somehow infinite probability brings them to earth and we learn from their technology and theories (lol). but for now, i cant see how interstellar travel would work or how a species may have accomplished it. If i am wrong and the aliens have landed and are somehow hidden away in area 51.. then shame on the US government! (not very likely :))