We want to talk about something which affects our community, our gaming motivation and mostly our game joy. And the thing is, everyone knows there is a big silence about this issue when it comes to developer side. But with a little hope, we thought it’s time to raise our voice about;
Botting.
For D3’s current state, there is a huge difference between botting and playing legimately when it comes to competition. The advantage of botting is significant and cannot be ignored. We know game’s current state is not like the other popular Blizzard games, but at least we deserve an answer or improvement-solution about it. For our community and Diablo franchise..
Because this discussion not only affecting the leaderboard and unfair competition, also causes our legit players being desperate and having argument with whoever using bots. Even our clans atmosphere and friendly spirit is getting destroyed only because of botting discussions.
In conclusion;
As European clans, we are gathered to show our state against botting, and here is the list of our clans which are against botting and expecting a solution about it;
[WQW] – Quantum Warriors
[Hybrid] – The Hybrids
[ZE] – Zero Emphaty
[PiratE] – The Pirates
[DoW] – DemonsOfWind
[EoD] – Eye of Demons
[VoiD] – VoiD
[D3OC] - The Outcast
And hopefully many mores are on the way..
All of our listed clans are approved, and not accepting botters (still and no more) And we did our jobs which were extra weight on our shoulders if you consider..
Lastly, we are appreciated about patch 2.6.1 changes. Game balance is getting much better, and we thought it’s not too much to expect same thing about having fair competition environment from our game developers aswell.
But using TurboHud is fine? Since I know plenty of people in all of those listed clans use that software.
No I am not defending botting but using TurboHud is also clearly an unfair advantage.
Disgusting to see how people brag about their Xp per hour on livestream while doing speed 110's or knowing elite packs behind doors. etc etc. (not listing any names, you can figure out yourselves.)
balance is still not close to be fine how you state it. all people search in communities is 2 rathmas, 1 zbarb 1 znecro.
"people who want to play wisely use thud" interessting statement of you sir.
And no. This post was not just about botters. It was from people that claim to play on a fair playingfield and get offended by botters because you guys think they get an unfair advantage.
[WQW] – Quantum Warriors
[Hybrid] – The Hybrids
[ZE] – Zero Emphaty
[PiratE] – The Pirates
[DoW] – DemonsOfWind
[EoD] – Eye of Demons
[VoiD] – VoiD
out of all of these clans. who of them is really "clean"? not using any 3rd party software like thud or d3helper / scripts that allow to change them 25000 paragon points midfight within a second?
None of you guys is clean. None.
You guys just wanna make yourself look like the whiteknights in this post. You guys are no whiteknights. Blizzard also will occasionally ban botters. No need to create multiple threads or letters "from the community".
For our community and Diablo franchise..
Because this discussion not only affecting
the leaderboard and unfair competition, also causes our legit players being desperate and having argument with whoever using bots.
"people who want to play wisely use thud" interessting statement of you sir.
And no. This post was not just about botters. It was from people that claim to play on a fair playingfield and get offended by botters because you guys think they get an unfair advantage.
[WQW] – Quantum Warriors
[Hybrid] – The Hybrids
[ZE] – Zero Emphaty
[PiratE] – The Pirates
[DoW] – DemonsOfWind
[EoD] – Eye of Demons
[VoiD] – VoiD
out of all of these clans. who of them is really "clean"? not using any 3rd party software like thud or d3helper / scripts that allow to change them 25000 paragon points midfight within a second?
None of you guys is clean. None.
You guys just wanna make yourself look like the whiteknights in this post. You guys are no whiteknights. Blizzard also will occasionally ban botters. No need to create multiple threads or letters "from the community".
For our community and Diablo franchise..
Because this discussion not only affecting
the leaderboard and unfair competition, also causes our legit players being desperate and having argument with whoever using bots.
This part is funny. Who is legit here? Nobody.
+1
Many players got so used to THUD that right now it's not even "normal" to run without it. THUD is just a blatant maphack. You can call it "software developed for people" blah blah, but fact is a fact it's god damn MAPHACK. It's nothing but a cheat and in my eyes it's not better than a bot program. Maybe even worse than bot, because for bot you can get banned, for using THud you pretty much cannot. It is just insane.
Alright guys, starting a fight about hud and other things while we are desperate about something to be done against the botters is just silly.
Take that bs to a new post, if you don't see the big problem in the game with the botting and start arguing about hud and other things when the post is about botting you clearly don't care about the game.
@Angry_Roleplayer I am 100% clean and stream diablo 3 6 days per week.
I can get a rank 1 without anything, infact I got rank 1 taken from me by a bot season 8, why are we talking about hud and stuff here though?
It's about botting, help us man, focus on this first since this is the main issue with the game atm.
I just want us all to come together and fix this issue first and then we can talk about hud, helper and other shit.
I agree. thud or bot, they are all cheats so they all should get the same punishment. first people need to realize that and delete any other software that enhances d3 in any way.
the next steps would obviously for blizzard to react and ban accordingly, afterwards we could ask for some legit features to be implemented in an upcoming patch. some useful things that for example thud delivers right now.
one can dream, ...I fear it just wont happen.
look how blizzard handled the last NS cycle. people were essentially encouraged to exploit.
What I'm saying is that I have not much hope for such a petition, especially if the community is pretty separated about what is legit and what is not. What's more important and what's less... it's not really a strong message.
Alright guys, starting a fight about hud and other things while we are desperate about something to be done against the botters is just silly.
Take that bs to a new post, if you don't see the big problem in the game with the botting and start arguing about hud and other things when the post is about botting you clearly don't care about the game.
@Angry_Roleplayer I am 100% clean and stream diablo 3 6 days per week.
I can get a rank 1 without anything, infact I got rank 1 taken from me by a bot season 8, why are we talking about hud and stuff here though?
It's about botting, help us man, focus on this first since this is the main issue with the game atm.
I just want us all to come together and fix this issue first and then we can talk about hud, helper and other shit.
You honestly think that cheats and botting are completely seperate issues or that either is worse than the other?
I never cease to be surprised that the so-called more committed players of this game are so conflicted on this issue that they either cannot or will not simply call a cheat a cheat. There are NO shades of gray here, either play the game as intended or make use of 3rd party programs that adapt code and be a cheat.
Those that do cheat certainly do not hold any sort of moral high-ground to cry for action on a different type of cheat. So I challenge you to call on Blizzard to take real action that addresses all cheaters.
That is unless you've something to hide...
I am not using anything and I want blizzard to solve this bullshit, as a legit player I can say that the botting is bothering me more than anything right now. I want to compete and challenge some good playes but there is 0% chance to do that with this botting fiesta and that is a fact!
there is just no point of this post, that is what i said from the beginning. There is your best answer from blizzard that you can potentially get on this topic. So why create another one?
I (and our forum moderation team) have been locking threads because multiples on the same topic are a violation of our forum code of conduct. Similarly, I have replied to a few to make it clear what the violation is, rather than delete threads or suspend posters.
I've made no further posts because our stance hasn't changed. Botting is not permitted, we continue to issue bot ban waves on an as-needed basis, and we do not communicate when these waves occur. Actions that we take are discussed only with the holders of accounts that are impacted.
Combating botting is an ongoing, tedious, and forever-long process. It's a "war" that goes back and forth between our detection methods and sneakier, less detectable bots. It will always be an ongoing challenge. Feedback is appreciated; however, spamming the forums with the same topic repeatedly is not.
It's really great to see top clans take an anti-botting stance. Clans can be quite effective at suppressing botting within their ranks.
Also this sort of community action keeps Blizzard's attention on the problem and encourages them to allocate more time and resources to their ban-wave process.
while the HUD problem can really be solved if u can protect d3 from such programs.
Sure, let's invent a new operating system that prevents processes from reading memory of other processes, and when we're done, we'll re-write Diablo 3 to run on it
I've seen posts like yours frequently, and out of a matter of simple curiosity i'd like to know.... why are you here. it is one thing to provide constructive criticism for a game in the hopes of making it better... but to post on a diablo forum that the game is dead, and the community is terrible... seems kinda pointless. I dont play wow - never did much for me. But I dont spend my time on the WOW forums insulting the game or its player base. If you truly do not enjoy this game - then remove the fansite from your bookmarks, and move on. There are plenty of things to do on the internet other than insulting strangers, and a game that - contrary to many toxic posts i see - is still alive and well. I truly do wish you all the best in your future endeavors, and hope that you are able to surround yourself with what makes you happy - instead of posting on a forum for a game that clearly does not.
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Dear D3 Community and Blizzard Entertainment,
We want to talk about something which affects our community, our gaming motivation and mostly our game joy. And the thing is, everyone knows there is a big silence about this issue when it comes to developer side. But with a little hope, we thought it’s time to raise our voice about;
Botting.
For D3’s current state, there is a huge difference between botting and playing legimately when it comes to competition. The advantage of botting is significant and cannot be ignored. We know game’s current state is not like the other popular Blizzard games, but at least we deserve an answer or improvement-solution about it. For our community and Diablo franchise..
Because this discussion not only affecting the leaderboard and unfair competition, also causes our legit players being desperate and having argument with whoever using bots. Even our clans atmosphere and friendly spirit is getting destroyed only because of botting discussions.
In conclusion;
As European clans, we are gathered to show our state against botting, and here is the list of our clans which are against botting and expecting a solution about it;
[WQW] – Quantum Warriors
[Hybrid] – The Hybrids
[ZE] – Zero Emphaty
[PiratE] – The Pirates
[DoW] – DemonsOfWind
[EoD] – Eye of Demons
[VoiD] – VoiD
[D3OC] - The Outcast
And hopefully many mores are on the way..
All of our listed clans are approved, and not accepting botters (still and no more) And we did our jobs which were extra weight on our shoulders if you consider..
Lastly, we are appreciated about patch 2.6.1 changes. Game balance is getting much better, and we thought it’s not too much to expect same thing about having fair competition environment from our game developers aswell.
Best regards.
BRAVO for kicking the botters.
next step : D3 helper user/script users. hello haters.
https://bonpote.com/
But using TurboHud is fine? Since I know plenty of people in all of those listed clans use that software.
No I am not defending botting but using TurboHud is also clearly an unfair advantage.
Disgusting to see how people brag about their Xp per hour on livestream while doing speed 110's or knowing elite packs behind doors. etc etc. (not listing any names, you can figure out yourselves.)
balance is still not close to be fine how you state it. all people search in communities is 2 rathmas, 1 zbarb 1 znecro.
nice meta change. nothing changed.
Good post. But WQW need to get rid of it's botters in the first place.
http://www.angryroleplayer.com/
http://www.youtube.com/c/angryroleplayer
https://www.diablofans.com/builds/105329-2-6-7-rend-bleed-whirlwind-gr130
https://www.diablofans.com/builds/105301-2-6-7-fist-of-the-heavens-aegis-of-valor-gr110
"people who want to play wisely use thud" interessting statement of you sir.
And no. This post was not just about botters. It was from people that claim to play on a fair playingfield and get offended by botters because you guys think they get an unfair advantage.
[WQW] – Quantum Warriors
[Hybrid] – The Hybrids
[ZE] – Zero Emphaty
[PiratE] – The Pirates
[DoW] – DemonsOfWind
[EoD] – Eye of Demons
[VoiD] – VoiD
out of all of these clans. who of them is really "clean"? not using any 3rd party software like thud or d3helper / scripts that allow to change them 25000 paragon points midfight within a second?
None of you guys is clean. None.
You guys just wanna make yourself look like the whiteknights in this post. You guys are no whiteknights. Blizzard also will occasionally ban botters. No need to create multiple threads or letters "from the community".
For our community and Diablo franchise..
Because this discussion not only affecting
the leaderboard and unfair competition, also causes our legit players
being desperate and having argument with whoever using bots.
This part is funny. Who is legit here? Nobody.
Many players got so used to THUD that right now it's not even "normal" to run without it. THUD is just a blatant maphack. You can call it "software developed for people" blah blah, but fact is a fact it's god damn MAPHACK. It's nothing but a cheat and in my eyes it's not better than a bot program. Maybe even worse than bot, because for bot you can get banned, for using THud you pretty much cannot. It is just insane.
http://www.angryroleplayer.com/
http://www.youtube.com/c/angryroleplayer
https://www.diablofans.com/builds/105329-2-6-7-rend-bleed-whirlwind-gr130
https://www.diablofans.com/builds/105301-2-6-7-fist-of-the-heavens-aegis-of-valor-gr110
exactly. The maphack portion of it makes it easily banable to me. not even counting things like stricken stacks on the boss or w/e it does.
worst part here is that so many ppl are used to thd that they wouldn't even play the game without it anymore.
Only reason why blizzard is not banning thd is because they knew that they would lose a major part of their "competetive" playerbase.
Alright guys, starting a fight about hud and other things while we are desperate about something to be done against the botters is just silly.
Take that bs to a new post, if you don't see the big problem in the game with the botting and start arguing about hud and other things when the post is about botting you clearly don't care about the game.
@Angry_Roleplayer I am 100% clean and stream diablo 3 6 days per week.
I can get a rank 1 without anything, infact I got rank 1 taken from me by a bot season 8, why are we talking about hud and stuff here though?
It's about botting, help us man, focus on this first since this is the main issue with the game atm.
I just want us all to come together and fix this issue first and then we can talk about hud, helper and other shit.
I agree. thud or bot, they are all cheats so they all should get the same punishment. first people need to realize that and delete any other software that enhances d3 in any way.
the next steps would obviously for blizzard to react and ban accordingly, afterwards we could ask for some legit features to be implemented in an upcoming patch. some useful things that for example thud delivers right now.
one can dream, ...I fear it just wont happen.
look how blizzard handled the last NS cycle. people were essentially encouraged to exploit.
What I'm saying is that I have not much hope for such a petition, especially if the community is pretty separated about what is legit and what is not. What's more important and what's less... it's not really a strong message.
approved by yourself. hahahaha
Uuuhmm, nope... this video makes the use of THUD more than obvious
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhXb5FyI-Zg
I agree that bots are the main concern for D3 gaming nowadays.
I just don't like this guys hypocrisy, that's why I pointed it out.
there is just no point of this post, that is what i said from the beginning. There is your best answer from blizzard that you can potentially get on this topic. So why create another one?
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/d3/topic/20759616608
I (and our forum moderation team) have been locking threads because multiples on the same topic are a violation of our forum code of conduct. Similarly, I have replied to a few to make it clear what the violation is, rather than delete threads or suspend posters.
I've made no further posts because our stance hasn't changed. Botting is not permitted, we continue to issue bot ban waves on an as-needed basis, and we do not communicate when these waves occur. Actions that we take are discussed only with the holders of accounts that are impacted.
Combating botting is an ongoing, tedious, and forever-long process. It's a "war" that goes back and forth between our detection methods and sneakier, less detectable bots. It will always be an ongoing challenge. Feedback is appreciated; however, spamming the forums with the same topic repeatedly is not.
It's really great to see top clans take an anti-botting stance. Clans can be quite effective at suppressing botting within their ranks.
Also this sort of community action keeps Blizzard's attention on the problem and encourages them to allocate more time and resources to their ban-wave process.
This open letter is just a joke full of hypocrisy...
Just a reminder : bot = turbo hud = D3 helper = scripts = 3rd tier software = advantage over non user of 3rd tier sw => Ban
@hoxango, no you are not legit as you are blatant Turbo Hud user.
Period.
I've seen posts like yours frequently, and out of a matter of simple curiosity i'd like to know.... why are you here. it is one thing to provide constructive criticism for a game in the hopes of making it better... but to post on a diablo forum that the game is dead, and the community is terrible... seems kinda pointless. I dont play wow - never did much for me. But I dont spend my time on the WOW forums insulting the game or its player base. If you truly do not enjoy this game - then remove the fansite from your bookmarks, and move on. There are plenty of things to do on the internet other than insulting strangers, and a game that - contrary to many toxic posts i see - is still alive and well. I truly do wish you all the best in your future endeavors, and hope that you are able to surround yourself with what makes you happy - instead of posting on a forum for a game that clearly does not.