Actually this kind of build doesn't seem so bad on low density
Yeah it's just way worse than any other build, long walks cause you have no vault, no smoke sreen spam cause you dont get much discipline, not many helltrapper procs if you use helltrapper, and also much more sensitive to reflect damage (cause no smoke screen spam). But yeah, "it doesn't seem so bad".. xD
Obviously shitty rifts are shit, but are you really setting up 5 sentries in order to kill 2-3 monsters instead of outright skipping them with a frostfire build?
Actually I managed to beat tier 44 solo (rank 1 on EU again^^) last night using a Kridershot, it seems to be worthwhile and is a lot easier to use compared to the Helltrapper. You can watch the run here: http://www.twitch.tv/wudijo/c/5196566
Supposedly we will see a lot of lightning DHs on the leaderboards very soon, given the fact that I did tier 43 on my first and 44 on my second try. Eventually, I think that Kridershot could actually be better than Helltrapper if you manage to reach the 4.154 bp, but I doubt there will be anyone around who could achieve that, as it requires to have max rolls on ALL of your items basically.
About the Overwhelming Desire: Apparently it seems to have an internal cooldown, and even then it's only a 35% damage boost on a single target, while I can get ~20% via Steady Aim by using Hellfire. And the only situation where there is a single target is the occasional yellow elite and the RG, which can't be charmed I guess.
Hey guys,
thought about thuis build and.. wouldnt a Calmity be better then Helltrapper? or are these 7-10% chance for Sentrys that good?
It will be, but then the only RG you'll be able to kill is gonna be Erethon
Not really, however those that move or teleport a lot really take a long time. On this run tier 45, getting something like Ghom, Perendi, the Binder or even Infernal Maiden actually could have worked with the ~40 sec I had left. Still, the RG is the biggest issue for sure, at some point (48+) a conduit will be necessary to beat the rift in time I suppose.
Actually this kind of build doesn't seem so bad on low density
Yeah it's just way worse than any other build, long walks cause you have no vault, no smoke sreen spam cause you dont get much discipline, not many helltrapper procs if you use helltrapper, and also much more sensitive to reflect damage (cause no smoke screen spam). But yeah, "it doesn't seem so bad".. xD
Obviously shitty rifts are shit, but are you really setting up 5 sentries in order to kill 2-3 monsters instead of outright skipping them with a frostfire build?
Actually I managed to beat tier 44 solo (rank 1 on EU again^^) last night using a Kridershot, it seems to be worthwhile and is a lot easier to use compared to the Helltrapper. You can watch the run here: http://www.twitch.tv/wudijo/c/5196566
Supposedly we will see a lot of lightning DHs on the leaderboards very soon, given the fact that I did tier 43 on my first and 44 on my second try. Eventually, I think that Kridershot could actually be better than Helltrapper if you manage to reach the 4.154 bp, but I doubt there will be anyone around who could achieve that, as it requires to have max rolls on ALL of your items basically.
About the Overwhelming Desire: Apparently it seems to have an internal cooldown, and even then it's only a 35% damage boost on a single target, while I can get ~20% via Steady Aim by using Hellfire. And the only situation where there is a single target is the occasional yellow elite and the RG, which can't be charmed I guess.
what spec did you use here with krider shot, all the same ? I like that you have perma SS, can you explain how much CDR is needed for that ? Did you still use gogok ?
Kridershot: Swap Punishment to Focused Mind to ensure (almost) perma ss on single target and RG, ~33-34% cdr (two items), no Gogok but Bane of the Powerful
P.S. :Ah you have already opt in for Kridershot? ^^ Anything based around Elemental arrow should definitely include Kridershot. I believe it is BiS for either meticilous lightning or any MR6 with 3 spenders.
The focus of the build really isn't the slow BL really, its the perma-SS while you AoE everything. Once I figured out to concentrate more on the SS than the DPS, it worked wonders. Thanks for the info and new build OP. Love seeing game-changers that come out when people think outside the box.
Trying to figure now just where it lines up # wise vs. the rockets/frost build. Its tough to leave the rocket/frost build as my HF is so nice but this is the first I've been really experimenting with in a while. Thanks again OP.
The bad things is you loose a main stats. You have to be lucky for a good roll with lighnting + IAS + CHD + AS (rerolled to socket).
has anyone tried this with Zei's with the lv25 on hit stun? was wondering if u can stun lock everything. and also this seems to be one of those builds where you can run away pretty far/kite, so the zei's dmg effect could work well.
About the Paragon: AS>CC>CHD>CDR, you should have enough cdr anyway when using it on at least two items + Gogok. You'll still need to actually deal some damage.
It would probably be to lightning ball because it's doing exactly what nether tentacles did in vanilla and they nerfed. But they put that legendary in the game so maybe their design philosophy has changed.
A stupid question - why don't you use a generator instead of Punishment?
I'd like to note that I smell another SS nerf, like 2 years ago(SS + Nether Tentacles build).
The nerfs will come, and they will hit hard :x Sorry about that.
About the channeling: You should note that they provide next to no benefit in most situations, and in this special case probably even set me back (as I got too confident on the second one and died to lag). Obviously, you will need some kind of good rng (Ess of Johan is my lucky charm!), but remember it's the top world rankings we're talking about here^^
Grats on rank1 EU for the rest of the season i guess. That said, the build wasn't new (people discussed it on US forums for ages now, before this).
Also it's pretty obvious you're using TurboHUD (so no respect for that, before anyone says anything, his videos are recorded from twitch and as VocaloidNyan admitted it's an overlay so it won't show on stream but you can tell when someone is using it) + tons of 46-47 keys from your group trials and just fishing for lucky rifts.
Hopefully things improve for the next season with less RNG, less trial crap since most of my friends stopped playing due to how frustrating this whole thing is.
What makes you think so, if I may ask? I don't like cheating. I really despise that Turbo HUD comes with an included maphack, other than that I'd really love to use it a dps meter. However, I heard that it really eats on your performance as well, so there's no option to include it in a lightning build anyway. Also, which streamer would actually use it and stream, if you could be spotted by some attentive people pretty easily (as you will most likely reveal yourself to them at some point, by some kind of vocal reaction or gameplay).
Edit: I'm fairly certain we will see 48 solo in every region without a pylon, at least.
To the questions: Wreath of Lightning is good for the Kridershot T6 build, I pair it with BotP and BotT. I frequent the communities "Bounty Split Farm", "Torment 6 only" and "Uber bosses" fairly often.
Sorry Krigbur, I probably missed it as I'm generally replying to more than one comment at a time; someone was talking about pylons before. So your question was about why not using a generator, here's my opinion:
I haven't really tried a generator, could be good, but I generally prefer not shooting so much. It will fit in a more "safer" playstyle where you try to stay back some more, but I'm just running around too much and I use quite some cdr to keep my CDs short, so that I can use Punishment like every 12sec.
hi there wudijo , congrats on your great run , and thanks a lot for your guide , took sometime to muster out the gear to mimic your build , was wondering is it my gear or play style . I just can only barely bear gr 33 to 34 , I just took out preparation to bolas so I can regen hatred/ discipline and also maintain gogok as the ball lighting really takes sometime to travel , below is a link to my toon , hope u can appraise him!! thanks your very much all comments are welcom
Actually I managed to beat tier 44 solo (rank 1 on EU again^^) last night using a Kridershot, it seems to be worthwhile and is a lot easier to use compared to the Helltrapper. You can watch the run here: http://www.twitch.tv/wudijo/c/5196566
Supposedly we will see a lot of lightning DHs on the leaderboards very soon, given the fact that I did tier 43 on my first and 44 on my second try. Eventually, I think that Kridershot could actually be better than Helltrapper if you manage to reach the 4.154 bp, but I doubt there will be anyone around who could achieve that, as it requires to have max rolls on ALL of your items basically.
About the Overwhelming Desire: Apparently it seems to have an internal cooldown, and even then it's only a 35% damage boost on a single target, while I can get ~20% via Steady Aim by using Hellfire. And the only situation where there is a single target is the occasional yellow elite and the RG, which can't be charmed I guess.
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P.S. :Ah you have already opt in for Kridershot? ^^ Anything based around Elemental arrow should definitely include Kridershot. I believe it is BiS for either meticilous lightning or any MR6 with 3 spenders.
Edit: Gratz btw. You have inspired me.
The focus of the build really isn't the slow BL really, its the perma-SS while you AoE everything. Once I figured out to concentrate more on the SS than the DPS, it worked wonders. Thanks for the info and new build OP. Love seeing game-changers that come out when people think outside the box.
Trying to figure now just where it lines up # wise vs. the rockets/frost build. Its tough to leave the rocket/frost build as my HF is so nice but this is the first I've been really experimenting with in a while. Thanks again OP.
Videos will be uploaded today
Edit: Can't quote in edit apparently. Someone mentioned using Entangling Shot. Haven't tried, but I'll do so as well, could work.
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Tier 47 Screen: http://i.imgur.com/QlJrG3p.jpg
About the Paragon: AS>CC>CHD>CDR, you should have enough cdr anyway when using it on at least two items + Gogok. You'll still need to actually deal some damage.
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About the channeling: You should note that they provide next to no benefit in most situations, and in this special case probably even set me back (as I got too confident on the second one and died to lag). Obviously, you will need some kind of good rng (Ess of Johan is my lucky charm!), but remember it's the top world rankings we're talking about here^^
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Edit: I'm fairly certain we will see 48 solo in every region without a pylon, at least.
To the questions: Wreath of Lightning is good for the Kridershot T6 build, I pair it with BotP and BotT. I frequent the communities "Bounty Split Farm", "Torment 6 only" and "Uber bosses" fairly often.
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I haven't really tried a generator, could be good, but I generally prefer not shooting so much. It will fit in a more "safer" playstyle where you try to stay back some more, but I'm just running around too much and I use quite some cdr to keep my CDs short, so that I can use Punishment like every 12sec.
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By the way, you should fix your Youtube link; you forgot to add : in https://.