I'm doing siege runs nonstop. Rakkis crossing wp, kill 5 elites, look for underbrigde chest, kill SB, repeat, takes about 15-20 minutes, but phat lewts.
And as its standard for blizzard, they nerfed underbridge and SB, after all we are not supposed to farm for gear in a farming game, we need to use their brand new RMAH and farm with a credit card.
And we can't play the game the way we want, we are supposed to farm entire acts, because, in Noob Wilson words, the ''story is so great, and has so much replaybility, players are supposed to experience it all the time''.
Makes me sick, every time..
This... A lot of this. I've actually been moving away from d3 for a while already and I was positive I'd be glued to it for a least 6months - 2years. Instead it lasted me 3 weeks or less. D2 easily lasted me a full year for just my first round of addiction, I'm not sure how many times my addiction relapsed. It's not impossible to repair the game but it's very unlikely they'll pull it off, I hate you Jay Wilson.
I disagree, boss only runs were tedious and boring. I can easily say that 99% of my time was spent in baals extremely red room. I still had a blast, but the fact that when I do a mf run now, I'm doing a good half of an act. I get to see different environments and monsters, and almost every champ pack is different some how, and I have to actually think and put my mind to the game to figure out how to beat them.
Diablo 2 had the definition of mindless playing, but was still fun. Diablo 3 actually engages me, and in my opinion is a hundred fold more complex and interesting.
maybe it's like a generation gap....new school kids love the current set up, old school players miss the boss runs.
the feel of it in D3 is just....off.
I miss the aspects of D2.
Trying to blanket statement a whole generation as to why they think differently is because they are younger really doesn't do anything but start flame wars.
I may be only 23, but I'll consider myself an 'old school gamer' in your terms, since I was rockin the SNES at 4 years old, and at 8 I started Duke nuken / Dark colony / Diablo 1 / Doom, and so on. I played D2 almost at launch, and for years afterwords. But that doesn't mean I loved the extreme repetition of join baal run game x, either teleport and open TP or wait for TP, go in spamming skills, minions are dead so scramble for loot, then leave.
Just because it's older doesn't mean it's better =)
I actually like the current boss-runs. You smash through 5 elites, and murder an easy(ish) boss at the end for your reward. It's like a cold beer after mowing the lawns. Sort of. Analogies suck.
:Thumbs Up: same for me... the current "farming" is a lot more fun than D2 ever was..
I just wish whites and rares/champs would be closer stats-wise.. like whites having slightly better stats and being actually interesting to fight, and champs/rares having reasonable stats.. Smashing whites without even trying, and having to go 110% on rares/champs (on some of them at least - while some are plain impossible depending on the skillbuild) is kind of meh to me.
The current farming is so lame and boring its retarded. D2 farming was boring but at least it wasn't lame cause you actually got rewarded for it sometimes.
Start 2nd heart quest > clear down to spider > kill her > run to azmo > kill > id loot > get pissed it all blows > new game
vs
start game > tp to durance lvl 2 > go to meph and kill > act 1 > kill andy > add random other things to kill here > get at least a set or unique > be mildly happy > notice it sucks and be disappointed > new game
The difference is all of that was that in D2 I got mildly happy at some point vs never in D3. 220 hours played on softcore and still haven't found a same level legendary. I found a level 32 one while PL'ing a friend, but that's all. 250MF farmed elite packs down to spider/azmo. Fun and exciting game.
I don't get why people act like killing trash and elite packs is so much better than killing like Nihlathak or something. Both things die in about the same amount of time and both have about the same drops. One says it has different abilities, but not like those matter at all since they die before anything important happens or you can just tank their damage/abilities.
Both games are/were equally boring, just better drops in D2 imo.
Boss runs are still the easiest way to get loot atm, only difference is now it is well worth it to find 5 champion packs beforehand, I just wish they didn't hit so hard in Act 2+
sigh...i had an extremely long wall of text typed out that probably would have gotten me banned for posting it, so i'm just going to say this. if you miss D2 so much just go play it. Yes D3 could be improved upon in many ways but many of you are just glorifying D2. I don't miss boss runs in the least and they weren't nearly as profitable as many of you make them out to be. They took just as much time as the 5 stack neph runs take. Sure you could kill the boss like 15-20 times in less than an hour but you might get 1 item that actually was worth something. I'd rather run around and kill something other then the same boss over and over again as fast as i could. being able to do the same thing over and over again didn't make me feel more skilled at a game.
The only thing i'll agree with in this thread is that gaining levels up to 99 did give you something to do. After about 75 or so though i didn't really feel any more powerful. You could generally wear most of the gear by 56-60 and most builds i came up with didn't require me to be 90+.
I miss boss runs for loot. I don't miss the endless baal runs for exp.
Honestly, D3 feels a little aimless to me when I'm farming... I just wander around hoping to run into a random monster, and then I hope that monster drops a random yellow that rolls random stats that are better than the vastly more rare legendary items. Having a few fixed places to get decent drops, maybe not the best drops, but something decent, would at least give me a goal as I farm. I feel very "meh" about D3 right now.
You're trying to explain why you're not having fun in D3, but you're giving a poor explanation. Boss runs weren't the reason why D2 was fun, it was the freedom of choice. D3 offers no choices, instead you're forced into farming elites and then bosses. You're forced to do quests, instead of just making a farm game then waypointing to wherever you want. You're forced to use only 6 skills at a time, instead of having access to every single one. You're forced to watch cutscenes every single time you play the game, granted you can skip them.
Fun is more than finding items, it's about the freedom of playing how you want. People did boss runs because they dropped the best items, they did baal runs because it gave the best experience, and they made new characters because it was fun trying out crazy builds even though you knew it wouldn't work as well as cookie cutter builds. There is no freedom in D3, not even the illusion of freedom. You either play it exactly how they want you to, or you don't play it at all.
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This... A lot of this. I've actually been moving away from d3 for a while already and I was positive I'd be glued to it for a least 6months - 2years. Instead it lasted me 3 weeks or less. D2 easily lasted me a full year for just my first round of addiction, I'm not sure how many times my addiction relapsed. It's not impossible to repair the game but it's very unlikely they'll pull it off, I hate you Jay Wilson.
Diablo 2 had the definition of mindless playing, but was still fun. Diablo 3 actually engages me, and in my opinion is a hundred fold more complex and interesting.
Trying to blanket statement a whole generation as to why they think differently is because they are younger really doesn't do anything but start flame wars.
I may be only 23, but I'll consider myself an 'old school gamer' in your terms, since I was rockin the SNES at 4 years old, and at 8 I started Duke nuken / Dark colony / Diablo 1 / Doom, and so on. I played D2 almost at launch, and for years afterwords. But that doesn't mean I loved the extreme repetition of join baal run game x, either teleport and open TP or wait for TP, go in spamming skills, minions are dead so scramble for loot, then leave.
Just because it's older doesn't mean it's better =)
I just wish whites and rares/champs would be closer stats-wise.. like whites having slightly better stats and being actually interesting to fight, and champs/rares having reasonable stats.. Smashing whites without even trying, and having to go 110% on rares/champs (on some of them at least - while some are plain impossible depending on the skillbuild) is kind of meh to me.
Start 2nd heart quest > clear down to spider > kill her > run to azmo > kill > id loot > get pissed it all blows > new game
vs
start game > tp to durance lvl 2 > go to meph and kill > act 1 > kill andy > add random other things to kill here > get at least a set or unique > be mildly happy > notice it sucks and be disappointed > new game
The difference is all of that was that in D2 I got mildly happy at some point vs never in D3. 220 hours played on softcore and still haven't found a same level legendary. I found a level 32 one while PL'ing a friend, but that's all. 250MF farmed elite packs down to spider/azmo. Fun and exciting game.
I don't get why people act like killing trash and elite packs is so much better than killing like Nihlathak or something. Both things die in about the same amount of time and both have about the same drops. One says it has different abilities, but not like those matter at all since they die before anything important happens or you can just tank their damage/abilities.
Both games are/were equally boring, just better drops in D2 imo.
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The only thing i'll agree with in this thread is that gaining levels up to 99 did give you something to do. After about 75 or so though i didn't really feel any more powerful. You could generally wear most of the gear by 56-60 and most builds i came up with didn't require me to be 90+.
Honestly, D3 feels a little aimless to me when I'm farming... I just wander around hoping to run into a random monster, and then I hope that monster drops a random yellow that rolls random stats that are better than the vastly more rare legendary items. Having a few fixed places to get decent drops, maybe not the best drops, but something decent, would at least give me a goal as I farm. I feel very "meh" about D3 right now.
Fun is more than finding items, it's about the freedom of playing how you want. People did boss runs because they dropped the best items, they did baal runs because it gave the best experience, and they made new characters because it was fun trying out crazy builds even though you knew it wouldn't work as well as cookie cutter builds. There is no freedom in D3, not even the illusion of freedom. You either play it exactly how they want you to, or you don't play it at all.