You are 100% wrong on several accounts. Korea is most certainly the thing holding the game back, and it's the only thing.
tin foil hat much? blizz has said AT LEAST 4 sepparate times specifically "the korea situation is not and will not hold the game back, no single country would stop our global release of the game". rofl
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
"once the pretty hardcore gamers we had testing inferno found it fairly difficult, we then we doubled it" -trolololol jay wilson
Imho i don't think we'll be seeing a release date the 4th of January , since the South Korea ratings are not really holding them back as they said in an interview.
Ofcourse they'd like to see a worldwide release but they won't delay the game for just that , and if it doesn't get sorted out they will release the game there without RMAH.
My guess is that once the runestone system gets announced they will give a date most likely , OR that they won't share anything about their new system untill release itself, we can only see i suppose..
I just hope i get to play this game soon enough as i've been dying to play it and get to know more of the story as a lore geek myself.
As i keep complaining to my gf about this, i keep saying it will probably be a February release, But hey ! We can only hope
You are 100% wrong on several accounts. Korea is most certainly the thing holding the game back, and it's the only thing. http://daeity.blogsp...lay-debate.html
It's possible to cut up a picture of a basketball into a ton of little pieces and put it back together to look like an orange, but that doesn't mean the picture was of an orange. It's insanity to think that the GRB rating/RMAH issues in South Korea would prevent a non-S.Korea mostly-global pre-holiday launch. There's no guarantee they'll ever get the RMAH past that board. Losing sales in every other country on something that's not a sure thing is bad business and not something Blizzard/Activision would do. In the time of the delay they could have been making sales (including holiday sales) and getting RMAH fees from ALL other worldwide markets. That kind of income is more than they would make up just by having S. Korea in the release. They've lost money by delaying, and they wouldn't do that just for 1 country if they game is otherwise shippable.
Riddle me this: The delay was announced 2 1/2 months before the game was submitted to the S. Korea GRB for approval. How did the RMAH approval cause it?
Riddle me this: The delay was announced 2 1/2 months before the game was submitted to the S. Korea GRB for approval. How did the RMAH approval cause it?
Sep 22 - Blizz rush to SK regarding the gambling aspect of D3 (Note that the news conference was on Thursday, the 22de not the 25th) - http://www.koreatime.../123_95415.html
Imho i don't think we'll be seeing a release date the 4th of January , since the South Korea ratings are not really holding them back as they said in an interview.
Ofcourse they'd like to see a worldwide release but they won't delay the game for just that , and if it doesn't get sorted out they will release the game there without RMAH.
My guess is that once the runestone system gets announced they will give a date most likely , OR that they won't share anything about their new system untill release itself, we can only see i suppose..
I just hope i get to play this game soon enough as i've been dying to play it and get to know more of the story as a lore geek myself.
As i keep complaining to my gf about this, i keep saying it will probably be a February release, But hey ! We can only hope
You are 100% wrong on several accounts. Korea is most certainly the thing holding the game back, and it's the only thing. http://daeity.blogsp...lay-debate.html
It's possible to cut up a picture of a basketball into a ton of little pieces and put it back together to look like an orange, but that doesn't mean the picture was of an orange. It's insanity to think that the GRB rating/RMAH issues in South Korea would prevent a non-S.Korea mostly-global pre-holiday launch. There's no guarantee they'll ever get the RMAH past that board. Losing sales in every other country on something that's not a sure thing is bad business and not something Blizzard/Activision would do. In the time of the delay they could have been making sales (including holiday sales) and getting RMAH fees from ALL other worldwide markets. That kind of income is more than they would make up just by having S. Korea in the release. They've lost money by delaying, and they wouldn't do that just for 1 country if they game is otherwise shippable.
Riddle me this: The delay was announced 2 1/2 months before the game was submitted to the S. Korea GRB for approval. How did the RMAH approval cause it?
Even if all this is guessing and speculation, I find it more likely that Korea is the reason of the delay or at least the main reason and that they use the delay to polish the game, than changing tooltips, database sorting bugs and a runestone system for which we will probably get one of the older version anyway. Unless you really have Blizard market study figures its useless to say what they should or shouldn't do to make the most money, I could say they think Christmas doesn't matter much for them and delaying for a global launch while polishing the game for everyone will provide more benefit... but really I don't know.
Now I'd say time will tell and if 2-3 weeks after Korea's final decision the game is still unannounced I'll eat my words. I wouldn't expect an announcement the day after Korea's decision, the fact is they are adding features etc, the game is not gold, so after Korea's decision they will have to plan the final stage and reach a decision for a release date.
Riddle me this: The delay was announced 2 1/2 months before the game was submitted to the S. Korea GRB for approval. How did the RMAH approval cause it?
Sep 22 - Blizz rush to SK regarding the gambling aspect of D3 (Note that the news conference was on Thursday, the 22de not the 25th) - http://www.koreatime.../123_95415.html
so regardless of blizz officially stating multiple times the delay has NOTHING to do with south korea you still have your tin foil hat on and think conspiracy? lol
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
"once the pretty hardcore gamers we had testing inferno found it fairly difficult, we then we doubled it" -trolololol jay wilson
so regardless of blizz officially stating multiple times the delay has NOTHING to do with south korea you still have your tin foil hat on and think conspiracy? lol
People will never believe Blizzard. They cannot believe it's a coincidence or a sum of things.... S. Korea + Delay in design + Delay in developing, etc = D3 pushed back. But because people only see the S. Korea issue, they think it's the cause....
Leave them be, if they are ignorant enough to take in considerations the other factors in the formula, well too bad
Riddle me this: The delay was announced 2 1/2 months before the game was submitted to the S. Korea GRB for approval. How did the RMAH approval cause it?
Sep 22 - Blizz rush to SK regarding the gambling aspect of D3 (Note that the news conference was on Thursday, the 22de not the 25th) - http://www.koreatime.../123_95415.html
so regardless of blizz officially stating multiple times the delay has NOTHING to do with south korea you still have your tin foil hat on and think conspiracy? lol
so regardless of blizz officially stating multiple times the delay has NOTHING to do with south korea you still have your tin foil hat on and think conspiracy? lol
what reason would blizz have to lie about that? a single country has never delayed ANY globally released video game in the history of video games besides the main country the game would be released in. therefor korea couldnt logically even be one of the issues delaying the game. and blizz knows full well if they did lie to the public about this and it was found out later that it was the reason there woudl be a shitstorm of bad press and a well respected company wouldnt do that. its not only insane its illogical for you to believe this
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
"once the pretty hardcore gamers we had testing inferno found it fairly difficult, we then we doubled it" -trolololol jay wilson
sept 22 korean GRB screwed over blizzard on the rmah. Michael Morhaime (bliz ceo) promptly hopped on a plane to s.korea to try and solve the issue
sept 23 Michael Morhaime posts an unplanned delay announcement (remember that one?)
You can try to believe the korean rmah has nothing to do with this, but you're wrong. All the evidence points to that being the case. Blizzard reps (including bashiok) are purposely being obtuse when addressing this issue because they don't want to tell the truth and make everyone even more angry at s.korea.
Yes, blizzard would delay a game for s.korea. They just did. If this had not happened d3 would already be released.
This doesn't mean I won't buy d3 and play it to death. It's going to be a great game. It also doesn't mean that the corporate spin machine doesn't exist simply because the company is blizzard. The korean rmah delayed d3 and they don't want their customers to believe that's the case. It's 100% classic corporate public relations.
sept 22 korean GRB screwed over blizzard on the rmah. Michael Morhaime (bliz ceo) promptly hopped on a plane to s.korea to try and solve the issue
sept 23 Michael Morhaime posts an unplanned delay announcement (remember that one?)
You can try to believe the korean rmah has nothing to do with this, but you're wrong. All the evidence points to that being the case. Blizzard reps (including bashiok) are purposely being obtuse when addressing this issue because they don't want to tell the truth and make everyone even more angry at s.korea.
Yes, blizzard would delay a game for s.korea. They just did. If this had not happened d3 would already be released.
This doesn't mean I won't buy d3 and play it to death. It's going to be a great game. It also doesn't mean that the corporate spin machine doesn't exist simply because the company is blizzard. The korean rmah delayed d3 and they don't want their customers to believe that's the case. It's 100% classic corporate public relations.
did you read my post above? no game in the history of globally released games has ever been delayed by a small single country. therefor its irrational and illogical to believe so regardless of any timelines of their RMAH situation happening.
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
"once the pretty hardcore gamers we had testing inferno found it fairly difficult, we then we doubled it" -trolololol jay wilson
Sep 22 - Blizz rush to SK regarding the gambling aspect of D3 (Note that the news conference was on Thursday, the 22de not the 25th) - http://www.koreatime.../123_95415.html
Misinformation.
Mike Morhaime was at a scheduled news conference promoting Diablo 3 in South Korea. That link does NOT say he was there to help D3's "gambling aspect" get through the GRB, he answered questions at a news conference about its comparison to gambling. Nowhere does it say he "rushed" there. It's a coincidence he also published the delay post either while he was in Korea or just after getting back from the trip a day and a half later. Nothing new happened while he was there that would suddenly cause him to type up a last minute delay and post it. He went there and answered some questions, big deal.
He posted it at 5:30AM PST on the 23rd, which is 10:30pm S. Korea on the 23rd, more than 24 hours after the conference. Chances are he was jetlagged and just put the finishing touches on the post before publishing it even though it was written well in advance. They never put up news posts that aren't thought out well in advance.
To keep the fans happy...if Blizz announced on the 23de of Sep that D3 was pushed back into "early 2012" because SK have problems with D3's gambling aspect of the game, ALL people outside SK (and even the Koreans themselves towards their GBR or whatever it's called), who was anticipating an "aimed for late 2011" release date for months, will with no doubt shit on Blizz head and have wrongfully aimed anger towards Korea.
And the fact that they have something to fall back on if people started questioning whether the delay was cause by SK. This something is polishing/REdesigning/REtesting and they are now adding new stuff AFTER delay.
Official Blizzard Quote:
...we’re still actively working on many individual game elements and the ways that they interact with one another, with a great deal of iterative tweaking, balancing, polishing, adjusting, redesigning, and retesting going on...
Much of this iteration obviously takes place behind closed doors, so I can sympathize with the concerns about the lack of visible progress, and the sentiment that we should just go ahead and ship the game. Until we’re able to reveal more of the results, I can only assure you that we are indeed working on critical game systems that directly impact the core of the experience.
Official Blizzard Quote:
Having moved the release date, our development team has been available to the additional time they are using is to finish the game, but also to add items that were not able to be included with the old date of issue (or better with the old forecast).
This includes details such as the 3D model of a particular monster, the graphics of some legendary item, or even the balance of skills, runes and classes in general.
Having more time means having more content. Am I saying we were going to release an incomplete game and no content? No, absolutely, let me explain why.
Unfortunately, there comes a moment when we must draw a sharp line and decide that the game should be released and that some features or changes are not necessary. Why? Why Diablo III is not just a game, is the "mama's boy" of all those involved in its development, and if it were possible we would work forever just to make it perfect in their eyes.
Additional time means extra time that they have on their hands...Why would you have extra time to fix something that delayed the game? Why would they even say this? This doesn't make sense!
Hypothetical Blizz: "Unfortunately, we delayed the game into 2012. We can certainly say that the cause of the delay is the fact that the game isn't where we want it to be. So with the additional/extra time we have on our hands we will be redesigning/retesting and adding new features to the game...you know, cause the game isn't ready yet, therefore we are adding new stuff and redesigning and retesting the new stuff we are adding to the game."
and blizz knows full well if they did lie to the public about this and it was found out later that it was the reason there woudl be a shitstorm of bad press and a well respected company wouldnt do that. its not only insane its illogical for you to believe this
This is exactly why they didn't initially announce that the delay was "Korea's fault". It would of course be worse if they said it was SK's fault after they denied it.
a single country has never delayed ANY globally released video game in the history of video games besides the main country the game would be released in. therefor korea couldnt logically even be one of the issues delaying the game.
I guess I have to take your word for that first part, cause I'm not searching the internet to prove you wrong. And why can't Korea logically be one of the issues delaying the game? This isn't about whether a single country never delayed a game ever before. It's just that Blizz wants to release the game globally, they have said it before. If Korea is preventing them from releasing the game globally, of course Korea will be the cause of the delay.
Saying korea couldnt logically even be one of the issues delaying the gamejust because it never happened before isn't logical at all. It isn't logical to say that if Bob got 85% and above for his last 10 tests, that he can't get under 85%, just cause it didn't happen before...
a single country has never delayed ANY globally released video game in the history of video games besides the main country the game would be released in. therefor korea couldnt logically even be one of the issues delaying the game.
I guess I have to take your word for that first part, cause I'm not searching the internet to prove you wrong. And why can't Korea logically be one of the issues delaying the game? This isn't about whether a single country never delayed a game ever before. It's just that Blizz wants to release the game globally, they have said it before. If Korea is preventing them from releasing the game globally, of course Korea will be the cause of the delay.
Saying korea couldnt logically even be one of the issues delaying the gamejust because it never happened before isn't logical at all. It isn't logical to say that if Bob got 85% and above for his last 10 tests, that he can't get under 85%, just cause it didn't happen before...
did you miss the part where blizzard said "south korea isnt the reason we delayed the game, and even if nothing else was needed to be done in the game south korea would NOT delay a global launch"
illogical conspiracies are illogical
you can be paranoid all you want, doesnt make it any more true.
by this thinking you shouldnt believe blizzard even when they give an exact release date. their probably just lying and screwing with us for fun because they are evil fat cats who prey on the poor out of bordom.
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
"once the pretty hardcore gamers we had testing inferno found it fairly difficult, we then we doubled it" -trolololol jay wilson
Even if all this is guessing and speculation, I find it more likely that Korea is the reason of the delay or at least the main reason and that they use the delay to polish the game, than changing tooltips, database sorting bugs and a runestone system for which we will probably get one of the older version anyway. Unless you really have Blizard market study figures its useless to say what they should or shouldn't do to make the most money, I could say they think Christmas doesn't matter much for them and delaying for a global launch while polishing the game for everyone will provide more benefit... but really I don't know.
Now I'd say time will tell and if 2-3 weeks after Korea's final decision the game is still unannounced I'll eat my words. I wouldn't expect an announcement the day after Korea's decision, the fact is they are adding features etc, the game is not gold, so after Korea's decision they will have to plan the final stage and reach a decision for a release date.
You don't need market study figures to know that if they released worldwide EXCEPT S. Korea now and had the RMAH live, they would make more between now and the next release date than not having the game out.
Positive number > zero
sept 22 korean GRB screwed over blizzard on the rmah. Michael Morhaime (bliz ceo) promptly hopped on a plane to s.korea to try and solve the issue
What happened in Korea to prompt Mike Morhaime to "jump on a plane?" Nothing happened, the GRB hadn't done anything because Blizzard hadn't submitted the game to them to review. It's irrelevant to his posting the release the next day, it's a coincidence, and those happen ALL the time. They get far weirder.
If anyone by now sitll thinks delay was anything than Korean RMAH well, beeing childish is always ok I suppose
Logic is childish I guess, more childish than just reading some guy's blog and believing everything he makes up. Half of his statements are assumptions or total misquotes. He posts links to things and then says they say things they don't.
Additional time means extra time that they have on their hands...Why would you have extra time to fix something that delayed the game? Why would they even say this? This doesn't make sense!
Different teams are fixing/polishing than are creating new content and features. That's standard in the software industry.
Yes, blizzard would delay a game for s.korea. They just did. If this had not happened d3 would already be released.
A = a delay due to SK
If A may exist then A must be true. That's your argument. Since you have no evidence that A even exists. You need to look up the word precedent. Hint: It means you need something in the PAST that supports your argument.
Yes, blizzard would delay a game for s.korea. They just did. If this had not happened d3 would already be released.
A = a delay due to SK
If A may exist then A must be true. That's your argument. Since you have no evidence that A even exists. You need to look up the word precedent. Hint: It means you need something in the PAST that supports your argument.
this guy for president of logic +1
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
"once the pretty hardcore gamers we had testing inferno found it fairly difficult, we then we doubled it" -trolololol jay wilson
I second this.
tin foil hat much? blizz has said AT LEAST 4 sepparate times specifically "the korea situation is not and will not hold the game back, no single country would stop our global release of the game". rofl
It's possible to cut up a picture of a basketball into a ton of little pieces and put it back together to look like an orange, but that doesn't mean the picture was of an orange. It's insanity to think that the GRB rating/RMAH issues in South Korea would prevent a non-S.Korea mostly-global pre-holiday launch. There's no guarantee they'll ever get the RMAH past that board. Losing sales in every other country on something that's not a sure thing is bad business and not something Blizzard/Activision would do. In the time of the delay they could have been making sales (including holiday sales) and getting RMAH fees from ALL other worldwide markets. That kind of income is more than they would make up just by having S. Korea in the release. They've lost money by delaying, and they wouldn't do that just for 1 country if they game is otherwise shippable.
Riddle me this: The delay was announced 2 1/2 months before the game was submitted to the S. Korea GRB for approval. How did the RMAH approval cause it?
Sep 23 - Blizz announce the delay - http://us.battle.net...en/blog/3552227
Even if all this is guessing and speculation, I find it more likely that Korea is the reason of the delay or at least the main reason and that they use the delay to polish the game, than changing tooltips, database sorting bugs and a runestone system for which we will probably get one of the older version anyway. Unless you really have Blizard market study figures its useless to say what they should or shouldn't do to make the most money, I could say they think Christmas doesn't matter much for them and delaying for a global launch while polishing the game for everyone will provide more benefit... but really I don't know.
Now I'd say time will tell and if 2-3 weeks after Korea's final decision the game is still unannounced I'll eat my words. I wouldn't expect an announcement the day after Korea's decision, the fact is they are adding features etc, the game is not gold, so after Korea's decision they will have to plan the final stage and reach a decision for a release date.
so regardless of blizz officially stating multiple times the delay has NOTHING to do with south korea you still have your tin foil hat on and think conspiracy? lol
Leave them be, if they are ignorant enough to take in considerations the other factors in the formula, well too bad
Yes
what reason would blizz have to lie about that? a single country has never delayed ANY globally released video game in the history of video games besides the main country the game would be released in. therefor korea couldnt logically even be one of the issues delaying the game. and blizz knows full well if they did lie to the public about this and it was found out later that it was the reason there woudl be a shitstorm of bad press and a well respected company wouldnt do that. its not only insane its illogical for you to believe this
sept 23 Michael Morhaime posts an unplanned delay announcement (remember that one?)
You can try to believe the korean rmah has nothing to do with this, but you're wrong. All the evidence points to that being the case. Blizzard reps (including bashiok) are purposely being obtuse when addressing this issue because they don't want to tell the truth and make everyone even more angry at s.korea.
Yes, blizzard would delay a game for s.korea. They just did. If this had not happened d3 would already be released.
This doesn't mean I won't buy d3 and play it to death. It's going to be a great game. It also doesn't mean that the corporate spin machine doesn't exist simply because the company is blizzard. The korean rmah delayed d3 and they don't want their customers to believe that's the case. It's 100% classic corporate public relations.
did you read my post above? no game in the history of globally released games has ever been delayed by a small single country. therefor its irrational and illogical to believe so regardless of any timelines of their RMAH situation happening.
Mike Morhaime was at a scheduled news conference promoting Diablo 3 in South Korea. That link does NOT say he was there to help D3's "gambling aspect" get through the GRB, he answered questions at a news conference about its comparison to gambling. Nowhere does it say he "rushed" there. It's a coincidence he also published the delay post either while he was in Korea or just after getting back from the trip a day and a half later. Nothing new happened while he was there that would suddenly cause him to type up a last minute delay and post it. He went there and answered some questions, big deal.
He posted it at 5:30AM PST on the 23rd, which is 10:30pm S. Korea on the 23rd, more than 24 hours after the conference. Chances are he was jetlagged and just put the finishing touches on the post before publishing it even though it was written well in advance. They never put up news posts that aren't thought out well in advance.
To keep the fans happy...if Blizz announced on the 23de of Sep that D3 was pushed back into "early 2012" because SK have problems with D3's gambling aspect of the game, ALL people outside SK (and even the Koreans themselves towards their GBR or whatever it's called), who was anticipating an "aimed for late 2011" release date for months, will with no doubt shit on Blizz head and have wrongfully aimed anger towards Korea.
And the fact that they have something to fall back on if people started questioning whether the delay was cause by SK. This something is polishing/REdesigning/REtesting and they are now adding new stuff AFTER delay.
Official Blizzard Quote:
...we’re still actively working on many individual game elements and the ways that they interact with one another, with a great deal of iterative tweaking, balancing, polishing, adjusting, redesigning, and retesting going on...
Much of this iteration obviously takes place behind closed doors, so I can sympathize with the concerns about the lack of visible progress, and the sentiment that we should just go ahead and ship the game. Until we’re able to reveal more of the results, I can only assure you that we are indeed working on critical game systems that directly impact the core of the experience.
Official Blizzard Quote:
Having moved the release date, our development team has been available to the additional time they are using is to finish the game, but also to add items that were not able to be included with the old date of issue (or better with the old forecast).
This includes details such as the 3D model of a particular monster, the graphics of some legendary item, or even the balance of skills, runes and classes in general.
Having more time means having more content. Am I saying we were going to release an incomplete game and no content? No, absolutely, let me explain why.
Unfortunately, there comes a moment when we must draw a sharp line and decide that the game should be released and that some features or changes are not necessary. Why? Why Diablo III is not just a game, is the "mama's boy" of all those involved in its development, and if it were possible we would work forever just to make it perfect in their eyes.
Additional time means extra time that they have on their hands...Why would you have extra time to fix something that delayed the game? Why would they even say this? This doesn't make sense!
Hypothetical Blizz: "Unfortunately, we delayed the game into 2012. We can certainly say that the cause of the delay is the fact that the game isn't where we want it to be. So with the additional/extra time we have on our hands we will be redesigning/retesting and adding new features to the game...you know, cause the game isn't ready yet, therefore we are adding new stuff and redesigning and retesting the new stuff we are adding to the game."
This is exactly why they didn't initially announce that the delay was "Korea's fault". It would of course be worse if they said it was SK's fault after they denied it.
I guess I have to take your word for that first part, cause I'm not searching the internet to prove you wrong. And why can't Korea logically be one of the issues delaying the game? This isn't about whether a single country never delayed a game ever before. It's just that Blizz wants to release the game globally, they have said it before. If Korea is preventing them from releasing the game globally, of course Korea will be the cause of the delay.
Saying korea couldnt logically even be one of the issues delaying the gamejust because it never happened before isn't logical at all. It isn't logical to say that if Bob got 85% and above for his last 10 tests, that he can't get under 85%, just cause it didn't happen before...
did you miss the part where blizzard said "south korea isnt the reason we delayed the game, and even if nothing else was needed to be done in the game south korea would NOT delay a global launch"
illogical conspiracies are illogical
you can be paranoid all you want, doesnt make it any more true.
by this thinking you shouldnt believe blizzard even when they give an exact release date. their probably just lying and screwing with us for fun because they are evil fat cats who prey on the poor out of bordom.
Positive number > zero
What happened in Korea to prompt Mike Morhaime to "jump on a plane?" Nothing happened, the GRB hadn't done anything because Blizzard hadn't submitted the game to them to review. It's irrelevant to his posting the release the next day, it's a coincidence, and those happen ALL the time. They get far weirder.
Logic is childish I guess, more childish than just reading some guy's blog and believing everything he makes up. Half of his statements are assumptions or total misquotes. He posts links to things and then says they say things they don't.
Different teams are fixing/polishing than are creating new content and features. That's standard in the software industry.
A = a delay due to SK
If A may exist then A must be true. That's your argument. Since you have no evidence that A even exists. You need to look up the word precedent. Hint: It means you need something in the PAST that supports your argument.
this guy for president of logic +1
I think hes trying to say something important here... but i'm just not sure what it is :-(