The droprates are fine in D3. In fact its probably more rewarding than D2 was with stuff like Nef Valor.
This one piece trumps your whole 5 stack.
gg
You don't see an issue with that? It's a pile of crap gray chest with 3 rune slots to make your Enigma, which was godly when they added rune words into the game. A game shouldn't be built around taking garbage items and making them the best because of runes.
Derp. The MF on that piece trumps the 5 stack any day. That's the point. You want another?
The droprates are fine in D3. In fact its probably more rewarding than D2 was with stuff like Nef Valor.
This one piece trumps your whole 5 stack.
gg
You don't see an issue with that? It's a pile of crap gray chest with 3 rune slots to make your Enigma, which was godly when they added rune words into the game. A game shouldn't be built around taking garbage items and making them the best because of runes.
Derp. The MF on that piece trumps the 5 stack any day. That's the point. You want another?
I'm not comparing 5 stacks to the %MF in the rune words you dope. My comment was that D2's loot was broken by rune words. The best items were gray items that had just enough sockets to make your rune word. D3's loot system would be even worse if you equipped low level garbage just because it had sockets to do the same crap in D2.
You also seem to forget that in order to make a runeword, you needed... runes *gasp*. Please tell me how runes required for enigma are crap and easy to obtain legit.
Where did I say that getting the runes was easy to do (legitimately)? I said that the runes were used on garbage gray items with open sockets, and that mentality would suck in D3. FFS, either people can't read or only skim.
My comment was that D2's loot was broken by rune words. The best items were gray items that had just enough sockets to make your rune word.
Please tell me more about BiS runewords for boots, gloves, rings, ammies and belts.
You also seem to forget that in order to make a runeword, you needed... runes *gasp*. Please tell me how runes required for enigma are crap and easy to obtain legit.
The whole item system is complete BS to what we had. But i guess we deserved it for complaining on forums that "everyone looked for the same items" and "we want more randomized loot". Hope they adress the situation properly in the legendaries patch, too bad it wont affect the items i alread have =(
Exactly. How many Jah and Ber were actually legit, I wonder.
But now they just up and hand out 75 MF/GF. That doesn't make it better. It gives them more leeway to introduce even more RNG, contrary to what they say about it helping people along. Remember, D3 introduced more RNG than D2 had. I'd rather have a Gull, tbh.
In Diablo 2 every piece, EVERY piece of gear I wore I found.
That was not the case for me, and most people. D2 had some better itemization, but every piece of gear that dropped wasn't useful enough to equip. It's another falsehood of D2 trying to be carried over to D3.
That's not what he's saying. He's saying that everything he wore was something that dropped for him, as opposed to something that was bought or traded.
You also seem to forget that in order to make a runeword, you needed... runes *gasp*. Please tell me how runes required for enigma are crap and easy to obtain legit.
Where did I say that getting the runes was easy to do (legitimately)? I said that the runes were used on garbage gray items with open sockets, and that mentality would suck in D3. FFS, either people can't read or only skim.
I think it would've been very interesting to see RW's operate as intended in D3.....in other words, I think it would've been neat to have RW's while enjoying some protection from dupes.
I would also add that part of what made D2 some great was the fact that other wise "garbage" items were made into high demand items by the presence of such things as RW's.
In Diablo 2 every piece, EVERY piece of gear I wore I found.
In Diablo 3 every piece of gear I am wearing since I hit 60 I bought in the Gold AH.
Every bit of your argument towards the idea that the drop rate is fine is based around the auction house and sustaining an economy. That's great but when that kind of idea of contrasted against what Diablo was before May 15th, it is quite different. This is the kind of crap that drives me crazy about D3.
In Diablo 2, you could faceroll just by outleveling the content.
In Diablo 3, you cannot outlevel the content.
Why is this so hard to comprehend? (think about how this effects what "good" gear is)
In Diablo 2 every piece, EVERY piece of gear I wore I found.
In Diablo 3 every piece of gear I am wearing since I hit 60 I bought in the Gold AH.
Every bit of your argument towards the idea that the drop rate is fine is based around the auction house and sustaining an economy. That's great but when that kind of idea of contrasted against what Diablo was before May 15th, it is quite different. This is the kind of crap that drives me crazy about D3.
In Diablo 2, you could faceroll just by outleveling the content.
In Diablo 3, you cannot outlevel the content.
Why is this so hard to comprehend? (think about how this effects what "good" gear is)
Hahaha... dude what? Are you serious with this? I can't even begin to understand how someone could actually type this out.
Obviously he's not talking about Normal/Nightmare/Hell in D3 or Normal/Nightmare in D2.
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Outleveling content was both good and bad for D2. It was good because it allowed character progression past the "endgame" which helped keep you occupied even if you weren't getting gear. It was bad because it helped to trivialize the content since skill points were, essentailly, what Int/Str/Dex is now.
this game is all disappointment, no reward, they do whatever they can to piss the user off, Blizzard is terrible to the customers, every night, when I run act 3 with friends and chat on skype, whenever we find useless lootz and nothing good for the whole run, we all curse Blizzard to go bankrupt, its funny
My humble 2 cents worth to try and explain the frustration with the Loot System in D3.
Unlike other games I have played or continue to play when I spend time questing, grinding or farming I KNOW what the result will be. I am working toward a specific level or piece of gear. I know that I might have to farm a boss or dungeon 20+ times (which may take weeks or months) or more to see my piece of gear drop but when it does it is the one I need. I also know I need that piece of gear and maybe others (that I have identified) to progress in the game.
With D3 not only do I NOT know what I am working toward I have no idea where to go to get it or if it will ever drop. Yes, I know that each piece of gear I have can be improved but I don't know which stat i can improve and which stat I will sacrifice because I don't know what is available. This amount of unknowns may appeal to others, however I find it very unappealing and it will cause me to move on to other games. I prefer to know what I am working toward.
Which brings me to the AH. To progress in the game I am compelled to use the AH. This means that not only do I have to understand what stats are important to my class but to other classes as well. Keeping in mind that whats important now can and will change depending on what the community needs are at the time. Is the community leveling characters so the primary stats are important or are they farming so they will sacrifice primary stats for Magic and Gold find or are there other goals? I don't know. Oh and that lvl 58 bracer I just got might be worth a million gold to someone else or a lvl 63 bracer might be worthless. In both cases they are useless to me. Again this may be appealling to others but it is not appealling to me.
I did not play D2 I was recruited by several friends that did play D2 who have all but quit D3.
I enjoy playing D3 it's a excellent game in every aspect except the not knowing.
this game is all disappointment, no reward, they do whatever they can to piss the user off, Blizzard is terrible to the customers, every night, when I run act 3 with friends and chat on skype, whenever we find useless lootz and nothing good for the whole run, we all curse Blizzard to go bankrupt, its funny
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this game is all disappointment, no reward, they do whatever they can to piss the user off, Blizzard is terrible to the customers, every night, when I run act 3 with friends and chat on skype, whenever we find useless lootz and nothing good for the whole run, we all curse Blizzard to go bankrupt, its funny
And you're still playing.
Way to show the evil corporation who is fucking their customers over so badly!
In my opinion the "whiners" as you so insultingly call us are not whining about wanting a higher drop rate % - they are wanting better quality of items. Gear that rolls such completely random affixes, more often than not, become so discouraging - WHEN - you factor in as others have said, how pissed the game makes you to get that loot. The Champion affixes can not be the random rolls with the categorical system they have right now. Its unbalanced and is lazy, poor design. When the vast majority struggle to kill an elite pack with ridiculous rolls and they get a rare class item like a Monk i63 helm and it has +23 to Strength, +30 to Intelligence, +3.5% chance to make biscuits or some stupid shit; they can only take that for so long before they go to the AH or quit.
Further more - you freely state you farm Act 3, two full clears and find all this great loot and gold. Good for you. Do you know how many players can't get past the first quest in Act 3? So we do what we are supposed to do - farm Act 2 or 1. And albeit we can survive the stupid affixes on Champion packs a bit better - we farm for hours to find what? - gear that has +3.5% chance to make biscuits. So we sell that for nothing on the AH and hope that one day we can afford 45 million for an item. And YES, there are items that are good and cheaper than that. You also have to set an alarm and be ready to get up at 4:00 a.m. to wait until the last few seconds to bid on that and hopefully not drive its price up 100% before you've spent more gold than you wanted. THAT'S AH FARMING. And that's not the farming game these "whiners" want.
And last but not least - you my DEMON HUNTER friend are an elite "whiner" because you sit on your high ranged class hill in Act 3 and farm all day. How positivily arrogant of you to call the rest of the players whiners because we can't be were you are, farming all that sick loot you claim to find. Did you get that gear and all this amazing progression BEFORE they nerfed Nether Tentcles to the ground? You realize what you are? You are the kid that gets to buy ice-cream cones every minute, looking at the rest of us outside the ice-cream shop, who can't have any ice-cream and go "pfft - you whiners."
In Diablo 2 every piece, EVERY piece of gear I wore I found.
In Diablo 3 every piece of gear I am wearing since I hit 60 I bought in the Gold AH.
Every bit of your argument towards the idea that the drop rate is fine is based around the auction house and sustaining an economy. That's great but when that kind of idea of contrasted against what Diablo was before May 15th, it is quite different. This is the kind of crap that drives me crazy about D3.
In Diablo 2, you could faceroll just by outleveling the content.
In Diablo 3, you cannot outlevel the content.
Why is this so hard to comprehend? (think about how this effects what "good" gear is)
Hahaha... dude what? Are you serious with this? I can't even begin to understand how someone could actually type this out.
At first it took my awhile to accept d3 for what it was. Beating a game on normal only to hear I need to do it on hard for the next content, then extreme and then hardcore. It's not the play style I've ever played. I never played the old diablo games but once I heard that farming for that one item, to do inferno, etc I slowly got it.
I accept the fact the game is what it is right now. It's fine. I know there are tricks and methods out there and until I care to figure them out I don't feel bad about experiencing something that someone else would state is horrible gameplay/mechanics/etc. If I teach myself that the game sucks, then I can see myself becoming a whiner. But I control my own destiny, not some company that made a game.
A couple levels weren't that big of a deal in Diablo 2. Seriously, 5 or 10 more skillpoints by the time we reached Hell (specially in Vanilla without sinergies) meant absolutely nothing. And even after sinergies, if you didn't have enough of a few base stats (life and mana leech for some, +skills to others) you probably wouldn't be able to get by content as well.
The fact being ignored here is that Diablo 2 was a much "easier" game, in the sense that you could use very few OP skills/builds and get past content with crappy gear. Things like static Field could literally carry you throughout Normal and Nightmare. The gear check is a lot tighter in D3, specially in each of Inferno's acts.
Even if we could get skills to become slightly more powerful past level 60, and got +100 to all stats by gaining a couple more levels, most of us would probably still have to turn to the AH to get better gear. It's not about "outleveling" content.
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Derp. The MF on that piece trumps the 5 stack any day. That's the point. You want another?
I'm not comparing 5 stacks to the %MF in the rune words you dope. My comment was that D2's loot was broken by rune words. The best items were gray items that had just enough sockets to make your rune word. D3's loot system would be even worse if you equipped low level garbage just because it had sockets to do the same crap in D2.
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This combined with the fact that the items are so BORING is why I hate the current itemization.
There's nothing more disappointing than getting that lucky 63 level item and having it roll 20 int anyway.
Where did I say that getting the runes was easy to do (legitimately)? I said that the runes were used on garbage gray items with open sockets, and that mentality would suck in D3. FFS, either people can't read or only skim.
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Exactly. How many Jah and Ber were actually legit, I wonder.
But now they just up and hand out 75 MF/GF. That doesn't make it better. It gives them more leeway to introduce even more RNG, contrary to what they say about it helping people along. Remember, D3 introduced more RNG than D2 had. I'd rather have a Gull, tbh.
Fair enough, I read it out of context.
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I think it would've been very interesting to see RW's operate as intended in D3.....in other words, I think it would've been neat to have RW's while enjoying some protection from dupes.
I would also add that part of what made D2 some great was the fact that other wise "garbage" items were made into high demand items by the presence of such things as RW's.
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OK but good luck getting to effective 400%+ MF. Hell that item only just barely beats out a single stack.
http://diablo2.diablowiki.net/Magic_find_diminishing_returns
I'm kinda surprised they let MF run wild like they are in D3, but that is what is going on.
In Diablo 2, you could faceroll just by outleveling the content.
In Diablo 3, you cannot outlevel the content.
Why is this so hard to comprehend? (think about how this effects what "good" gear is)
Hahaha... dude what? Are you serious with this? I can't even begin to understand how someone could actually type this out.
Obviously he's not talking about Normal/Nightmare/Hell in D3 or Normal/Nightmare in D2.
EDIT
Outleveling content was both good and bad for D2. It was good because it allowed character progression past the "endgame" which helped keep you occupied even if you weren't getting gear. It was bad because it helped to trivialize the content since skill points were, essentailly, what Int/Str/Dex is now.
Unlike other games I have played or continue to play when I spend time questing, grinding or farming I KNOW what the result will be. I am working toward a specific level or piece of gear. I know that I might have to farm a boss or dungeon 20+ times (which may take weeks or months) or more to see my piece of gear drop but when it does it is the one I need. I also know I need that piece of gear and maybe others (that I have identified) to progress in the game.
With D3 not only do I NOT know what I am working toward I have no idea where to go to get it or if it will ever drop. Yes, I know that each piece of gear I have can be improved but I don't know which stat i can improve and which stat I will sacrifice because I don't know what is available. This amount of unknowns may appeal to others, however I find it very unappealing and it will cause me to move on to other games. I prefer to know what I am working toward.
Which brings me to the AH. To progress in the game I am compelled to use the AH. This means that not only do I have to understand what stats are important to my class but to other classes as well. Keeping in mind that whats important now can and will change depending on what the community needs are at the time. Is the community leveling characters so the primary stats are important or are they farming so they will sacrifice primary stats for Magic and Gold find or are there other goals? I don't know. Oh and that lvl 58 bracer I just got might be worth a million gold to someone else or a lvl 63 bracer might be worthless. In both cases they are useless to me. Again this may be appealling to others but it is not appealling to me.
I did not play D2 I was recruited by several friends that did play D2 who have all but quit D3.
I enjoy playing D3 it's a excellent game in every aspect except the not knowing.
Again just my humble 2 cents worth.
And you're still playing.
Way to show the evil corporation who is fucking their customers over so badly!
In my opinion the "whiners" as you so insultingly call us are not whining about wanting a higher drop rate % - they are wanting better quality of items. Gear that rolls such completely random affixes, more often than not, become so discouraging - WHEN - you factor in as others have said, how pissed the game makes you to get that loot. The Champion affixes can not be the random rolls with the categorical system they have right now. Its unbalanced and is lazy, poor design. When the vast majority struggle to kill an elite pack with ridiculous rolls and they get a rare class item like a Monk i63 helm and it has +23 to Strength, +30 to Intelligence, +3.5% chance to make biscuits or some stupid shit; they can only take that for so long before they go to the AH or quit.
Further more - you freely state you farm Act 3, two full clears and find all this great loot and gold. Good for you. Do you know how many players can't get past the first quest in Act 3? So we do what we are supposed to do - farm Act 2 or 1. And albeit we can survive the stupid affixes on Champion packs a bit better - we farm for hours to find what? - gear that has +3.5% chance to make biscuits. So we sell that for nothing on the AH and hope that one day we can afford 45 million for an item. And YES, there are items that are good and cheaper than that. You also have to set an alarm and be ready to get up at 4:00 a.m. to wait until the last few seconds to bid on that and hopefully not drive its price up 100% before you've spent more gold than you wanted. THAT'S AH FARMING. And that's not the farming game these "whiners" want.
And last but not least - you my DEMON HUNTER friend are an elite "whiner" because you sit on your high ranged class hill in Act 3 and farm all day. How positivily arrogant of you to call the rest of the players whiners because we can't be were you are, farming all that sick loot you claim to find. Did you get that gear and all this amazing progression BEFORE they nerfed Nether Tentcles to the ground? You realize what you are? You are the kid that gets to buy ice-cream cones every minute, looking at the rest of us outside the ice-cream shop, who can't have any ice-cream and go "pfft - you whiners."
Congrats.
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What level are the mobs in Inferno again?
OH
RIGHT.
Derp. Do you think before you type?
I accept the fact the game is what it is right now. It's fine. I know there are tricks and methods out there and until I care to figure them out I don't feel bad about experiencing something that someone else would state is horrible gameplay/mechanics/etc. If I teach myself that the game sucks, then I can see myself becoming a whiner. But I control my own destiny, not some company that made a game.
The fact being ignored here is that Diablo 2 was a much "easier" game, in the sense that you could use very few OP skills/builds and get past content with crappy gear. Things like static Field could literally carry you throughout Normal and Nightmare. The gear check is a lot tighter in D3, specially in each of Inferno's acts.
Even if we could get skills to become slightly more powerful past level 60, and got +100 to all stats by gaining a couple more levels, most of us would probably still have to turn to the AH to get better gear. It's not about "outleveling" content.