hmm SO I have a question, IF MF doesn't help with the drop ilvl, does it take into account your MF upon identifying rare's? I only ask because, when i do my runs I ID all the rares at the end of the run.Could I put on the MF gear when I go to ID the rares and get better chances at better Affix's and stats?????????
hmm SO I have a question, IF MF doesn't help with the drop ilvl, does it take into account your MF upon identifying rare's? I only ask because, when i do my runs I ID all the rares at the end of the run.Could I put on the MF gear when I go to ID the rares and get better chances at better Affix's and stats?????????
No, the item "rolls" when it drops, not when identified.
Im not saying at all that NV is working "Not as intended" I'm saying that MF as a stat on gear isn't worth it. Just my opinion tho, and people are more than welcome to keep stacking the MF on their gear.
Edit: When I wear my MF gear it takes to long to kill packs and im not makeing "good use" of my time. IMO. Mabey this has to do with my MF gear being sub-par. Packs do drop more loots! But if a pack takes me 1-3 minutes to kill that IS NOT a good use of time in game =D
You're interpreting "stacking MF" as "tanking DPS and survivability stats," which is exactly the opposite of what should be done.
"Stacking MF" means finding items with equivalent stats and MF (IE a better rolled item, where MF takes the place of something less useful, like damage on hit, or life per second, etc).
Your gear is probably not a great roll if you're sacrificing a bunch of stats for MF.
Well if almost every pack dropped a rare then these pieces would hardly be "rare" to begin with...
They are very much "hardly rare", and i know this is working as intended. Take advantage of it. If it takes you more than 10 seconds to kill a pack your not going fast enough.(aka drop bad stats and get GOOD STATS) Don't waist gold on getting MF either, If you find peace's that are decent keep them, I have full set of MF gear and GF gear. Blizz does NOT want you to be required to carry around a 2nd set of gear just to be "more efficient with drops". Lylirra has specificaly talked about it.
This is so full of BS I am almost at a loss for words. I was responding to what you said right here:
If I'm 5 stack NV some packs will drop 2-3 rares, but with 75 MF and no stacks there is slim to NO chance of a rare.....WTF blizz is all I have to say.
If I'm 5 stack NV some packs will drop 2-3 rares, but with 75 MF and no stacks there is slim to NO chance of a rare.....WTF blizz is all I have to say.
Really? Ten seconds? So you whine and moan about not being able to find upgrades and then proceed to tell us that no pack should take more than 10 seconds, which only is true if you are overgeared for the pack to begin with? Yeesh, what are you even complaining about at this point?
You say "MF isn't worth it", and then say "yes, I know MF works as intended and I get way more rares with it than without it". Seriously, are you having an argument with yourself here?
Im not saying at all that NV is working "Not as intended" I'm saying that MF as a stat on gear isn't worth it. Just my opinion tho, and people are more than welcome to keep stacking the MF on their gear.
Edit: When I wear my MF gear it takes to long to kill packs and im not makeing "good use" of my time. IMO. Mabey this has to do with my MF gear being sub-par. Packs do drop more loots! But if a pack takes me 1-3 minutes to kill that IS NOT a good use of time in game =D
You're interpreting "stacking MF" as "tanking DPS and survivability stats," which is exactly the opposite of what should be done.
"Stacking MF" means finding items with equivalent stats and MF (IE a better rolled item, where MF takes the place of something less useful, like damage on hit, or life per second, etc).
Your gear is probably not a great roll if you're sacrificing a bunch of stats for MF.
If I were to try and get gear with = stats to my non mf gear but + MF to them I would be spending millions on the AH. In mf gear it takes time to kill the packs(aka less packs over time= less loots) I think I'm interpreting it correctly... If a pack takes me 5-10 seconds in my dps/tank/survivability gear, I can clear WAY more packs in a smaller amount of time, = More rares.... It works for me just fine =D
Well if almost every pack dropped a rare then these pieces would hardly be "rare" to begin with...
They are very much "hardly rare", and i know this is working as intended. Take advantage of it. If it takes you more than 10 seconds to kill a pack your not going fast enough.(aka drop bad stats and get GOOD STATS) Don't waist gold on getting MF either, If you find peace's that are decent keep them, I have full set of MF gear and GF gear. Blizz does NOT want you to be required to carry around a 2nd set of gear just to be "more efficient with drops". Lylirra has specificaly talked about it.
This is so full of BS I am almost at a loss for words. I was responding to what you said right here:
If I'm 5 stack NV some packs will drop 2-3 rares, but with 75 MF and no stacks there is slim to NO chance of a rare.....WTF blizz is all I have to say.
If I'm 5 stack NV some packs will drop 2-3 rares, but with 75 MF and no stacks there is slim to NO chance of a rare.....WTF blizz is all I have to say.
Really? Ten seconds? So you whine and moan about not being able to find upgrades and then proceed to tell us that no pack should take more than 10 seconds, which only is true if you are overgeared for the pack to begin with? Yeesh, what are you even complaining about at this point?
You say "MF isn't worth it", and then say "yes, I know MF works as intended and I get way more rares with it than without it". Seriously, are you having an argument with yourself here?
I'm not whining or moaning about anything lol, I'm farming loot at a pace that suits me, and i was trying to share that info with the OP. If i could post link's on this forum(soon i will be able to gata get more posts up) I would link you to the place where Lylirra says almost exactly word for word what I said. It's not BS. They DO NOT want you to haveta carry around a second set of gear..... Im not complaining about anything? But thank you for trying to attack me with you words. ALL im saying is that MF is NOT worth it. If you dont like that idea thats totaly fine....
Edit:
It's MUCH MORE time efficient to stack gear without MF and really good stats(aka you over gearthe content) and then murder packs as fast as you can. Faster you can clear packs, the faster you can 5 stack, the faster you can get phat loots... the end.
I'm not whining or moaning about anything lol, I'm farming loot at a pace that suits me, and i was trying to share that info with the OP. If i could post link's on this forum(soon i will be able to gata get more posts up) I would link you to the place where Lylirra says almost exactly word for word what I said. It's not BS. They DO NOT want you to haveta carry around a second set of gear..... Im not complaining about anything? But thank you for trying to attack me with you words. ALL im saying is that MF is NOT worth it. If you dont like that idea thats totaly fine....
Edit:
It's MUCH MORE time efficient to stack gear without MF and really good stats(aka you over gearthe content) and then murder packs as fast as you can. Faster you can clear packs, the faster you can 5 stack, the faster you can get phat loots... the end.
I'm sorry; I thought you were the OP when I wrote that, my mistake (you can probably see why that would confuse me). Yes, of course it is optimal to find/buy awesome gear with MF, but that's not something you can just do, it takes time. For those like me who invest roughly 8 hours a week in the game I feel pretty good about being able to farm Act II at the moment, but it certainly takes me more than 10 seconds to kill most packs.
i did a small test out of curiosity. i did the same farming route in act 1 with 197% and 91% magic find not counting NV. in each case i counted until each one had picked up 50 guaranteed rares.
the 197% had picked up a total of 148 rares. the 91% had picked up a total of 135 rares.
small sample? yes, but that doesn't make me feel any better about it. if this were to hold out over the course of thousands of runs i would say that gold find is more valuable than magic find. you should not sacrifice clearing speed for magic find.
I'm not whining or moaning about anything lol, I'm farming loot at a pace that suits me, and i was trying to share that info with the OP. If i could post link's on this forum(soon i will be able to gata get more posts up) I would link you to the place where Lylirra says almost exactly word for word what I said. It's not BS. They DO NOT want you to haveta carry around a second set of gear..... Im not complaining about anything? But thank you for trying to attack me with you words. ALL im saying is that MF is NOT worth it. If you dont like that idea thats totaly fine....
Edit:
It's MUCH MORE time efficient to stack gear without MF and really good stats(aka you over gearthe content) and then murder packs as fast as you can. Faster you can clear packs, the faster you can 5 stack, the faster you can get phat loots... the end.
I'm sorry; I thought you were the OP when I wrote that, my mistake (you can probably see why that would confuse me). Yes, of course it is optimal to find/buy awesome gear with MF, but that's not something you can just do, it takes time. For those like me who invest roughly 8 hours a week in the game I feel pretty good about being able to farm Act II at the moment, but it certainly takes me more than 10 seconds to kill most packs.
All good dood =D. I promise, especialy if you only playin 8hours a week, focus on getting better gear with no MF so you can progress thru inferno. Act 2 is a horrable place to farm loots. Your way better off going back to act 1, farming gear, and upgradeing till you can just go to act 3.
i did a small test out of curiosity. i did the same farming route in act 1 with 197% and 91% magic find not counting NV. in each case i counted until each one had picked up 50 guaranteed rares.
the 197% had picked up a total of 148 rares. the 91% had picked up a total of 135 rares.
small sample? yes, but that doesn't make me feel any better about it. if this were to hold out over the course of thousands of runs i would say that gold find is more valuable than magic find. you should not sacrifice clearing speed for magic find.
I pritty much completely agree with this, In my GF gear i can clear pack's in about 30-60 seconds a pack an that is decent IMO. On my pack runs in my GF gear they take about an hour instead of 30 mins but I get double the gold. (1 run without GF 150k, with my 250% GF i get 300K) GF is WAY better in the long haul beacuse you can just have someone else find the item for you. Then you can buy it on the AH...
All good dood =D. I promise, especialy if you only playin 8hours a week, focus on getting better gear with no MF so you can progress thru inferno. Act 2 is a horrable place to farm loots. Your way better off going back to act 1, farming gear, and upgradeing till you can just go to act 3.
Yeah you're right about that. I've only played twice since 1.0.3, one night farming Act I. Much better, much, much easier.
i did a small test out of curiosity. i did the same farming route in act 1 with 197% and 91% magic find not counting NV. in each case i counted until each one had picked up 50 guaranteed rares.
the 197% had picked up a total of 148 rares. the 91% had picked up a total of 135 rares.
small sample? yes, but that doesn't make me feel any better about it. if this were to hold out over the course of thousands of runs i would say that gold find is more valuable than magic find. you should not sacrifice clearing speed for magic find.
I pritty much completely agree with this, In my GF gear i can clear pack's in about 30-60 seconds a pack an that is decent IMO. On my pack runs in my GF gear they take about an hour instead of 30 mins but I get double the gold. (1 run without GF 150k, with my 250% GF i get 300K) GF is WAY better in the long haul beacuse you can just have someone else find the item for you. Then you can buy it on the AH...
Did I read this right?
In half an hour without GF you get 150k gold
in an hour with GF you get 300k gold
....?
I believe you did, and I am just as confused. @akmrgreen, how did you come to the conclusion that GF is better when you are finding gold at the exact same rate without it?
The problem with MF, is that if you have 75 with no NV stacks a pack doesn't guarantee a rare drop. But if you have ZERO MF and you 5 stack NV(this gives you 75 MF) you are guaranteed a rare off a pack. If I'm 5 stack NV some packs will drop 2-3 rares, but with 75 MF and no stacks there is slim to NO chance of a rare.....WTF blizz is all I have to say.
I am sorry, but are you mentally retarded? Do you even know how the NV buff works? I mean.... have you not read anything about it on this site or others at all? ever?
5 stack NV guarantees you a rare drop IN ADDITION TO the bosses normal drops.
As to the other 1-2 rares, thats because your 150 combined MF has increased the chance that the other items he drops are better quality.
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No, the item "rolls" when it drops, not when identified.
You're interpreting "stacking MF" as "tanking DPS and survivability stats," which is exactly the opposite of what should be done.
"Stacking MF" means finding items with equivalent stats and MF (IE a better rolled item, where MF takes the place of something less useful, like damage on hit, or life per second, etc).
Your gear is probably not a great roll if you're sacrificing a bunch of stats for MF.
This is so full of BS I am almost at a loss for words. I was responding to what you said right here:
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Really? Ten seconds? So you whine and moan about not being able to find upgrades and then proceed to tell us that no pack should take more than 10 seconds, which only is true if you are overgeared for the pack to begin with? Yeesh, what are you even complaining about at this point?
You say "MF isn't worth it", and then say "yes, I know MF works as intended and I get way more rares with it than without it". Seriously, are you having an argument with yourself here?
If I were to try and get gear with = stats to my non mf gear but + MF to them I would be spending millions on the AH. In mf gear it takes time to kill the packs(aka less packs over time= less loots) I think I'm interpreting it correctly... If a pack takes me 5-10 seconds in my dps/tank/survivability gear, I can clear WAY more packs in a smaller amount of time, = More rares.... It works for me just fine =D
I'm not whining or moaning about anything lol, I'm farming loot at a pace that suits me, and i was trying to share that info with the OP. If i could post link's on this forum(soon i will be able to gata get more posts up) I would link you to the place where Lylirra says almost exactly word for word what I said. It's not BS. They DO NOT want you to haveta carry around a second set of gear..... Im not complaining about anything? But thank you for trying to attack me with you words. ALL im saying is that MF is NOT worth it. If you dont like that idea thats totaly fine....
Edit:
It's MUCH MORE time efficient to stack gear without MF and really good stats(aka you over gearthe content) and then murder packs as fast as you can. Faster you can clear packs, the faster you can 5 stack, the faster you can get phat loots... the end.
I'm sorry; I thought you were the OP when I wrote that, my mistake (you can probably see why that would confuse me). Yes, of course it is optimal to find/buy awesome gear with MF, but that's not something you can just do, it takes time. For those like me who invest roughly 8 hours a week in the game I feel pretty good about being able to farm Act II at the moment, but it certainly takes me more than 10 seconds to kill most packs.
the 197% had picked up a total of 148 rares. the 91% had picked up a total of 135 rares.
small sample? yes, but that doesn't make me feel any better about it. if this were to hold out over the course of thousands of runs i would say that gold find is more valuable than magic find. you should not sacrifice clearing speed for magic find.
All good dood =D. I promise, especialy if you only playin 8hours a week, focus on getting better gear with no MF so you can progress thru inferno. Act 2 is a horrable place to farm loots. Your way better off going back to act 1, farming gear, and upgradeing till you can just go to act 3.
I pritty much completely agree with this, In my GF gear i can clear pack's in about 30-60 seconds a pack an that is decent IMO. On my pack runs in my GF gear they take about an hour instead of 30 mins but I get double the gold. (1 run without GF 150k, with my 250% GF i get 300K) GF is WAY better in the long haul beacuse you can just have someone else find the item for you. Then you can buy it on the AH...
Yeah you're right about that. I've only played twice since 1.0.3, one night farming Act I. Much better, much, much easier.
I believe you did, and I am just as confused. @akmrgreen, how did you come to the conclusion that GF is better when you are finding gold at the exact same rate without it?
I am sorry, but are you mentally retarded? Do you even know how the NV buff works? I mean.... have you not read anything about it on this site or others at all? ever?
5 stack NV guarantees you a rare drop IN ADDITION TO the bosses normal drops.
As to the other 1-2 rares, thats because your 150 combined MF has increased the chance that the other items he drops are better quality.