Try dueling on hardcore, and consistently winning, MEANWHILE maintaining your high lvl and xping on a regular basis... that'll wet your taste buds.
I did, but everyone just town hugs or sits by their tp. The second they even might take damage they run in, tp, or just leave; it's absolutely pointless.
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I refuse to listen to people saying that HC is the only way to play Diablo, it's the only true Diablo that sorts boys from men etc. - that's a pile of bullshit really.
Agreed. I remember the funnest times I had in Diablo was joining random pk games with my buddies and trying to 2v6 or 3v5 the rest of the guys in there. We'd literally pk for hours on end, and in the beginning, most of that was getting our asses handed to us. Anytime we hung out we would be thinking of new class combinations, discussing which items were better, etc. etc. It really got us motivated to MF/trade hard for the gear that we needed to dominate in PvP and soon we were just ripping apart pub pk games.
I honestly feel bad for the 'HC purists' that never had a taste for what the rest of the game had to offer. Killing hell baal without dying really isn't much of a challenge.
Try dueling on hardcore, and consistently winning, MEANWHILE maintaining your high lvl and xping on a regular basis... that'll wet your taste buds.
I think we can all agree with this statement here...
Diablo 3 needs to come out so we can spend less time on this forum chatting, and more time playing the game we're all waiting for, however we chose to play it.
ffs you little elitists don't misquote me please. I understand you like hardcore... and I'm not asking for you to be penalized for liking a different playstyle from me, am I? I'm merely asking to not be punished for not enjoying the... fleeting nature of hardcore characters. Sure I understand, it's incredibly fun for you guys - isn't the fun of it reward enough?
I played hardcore, I didn't enjoy it. I never said that YOU GUYS don't get attached to your characters. Read me a line in ANYTHING I said that said 'nobody gets attached to their characters'. I expressed MY PERSONAL OPINION of the times I PLAYED HARDCORE. I found NO JOY in it because I felt no attachment to the characters. NOWHERE did I say YOU GUYS SHOULDN'T FEEL THAT WAY. Just that people shouldn't be rewarded for enjoying different aspects of the game. I don't enjoy hardcore, not because it's hard - I actually kind of found the challenge a bit fun. But after a while, I felt no attachment to my character so I stopped playing it. It was that simple.
Man I hate people who misquote people or change the wording. It's just so incredibly rude and such poor forum etiquette. How can you people even call yourselves friendly posters if you are so RIDICULOUSLY rude to people? God...
Edit: Note: My final statement: I don't feel that any game mode or style of play should receive any power-impacting exclusive. Fluff things like unique dyes or perhaps even have a different appearance to the final tier set - those are all great ideas. And of course the unique banner appearance modifications.
But actual ITEMS... no. Only someone who is truly in their heart elitist would ever agree to that - and that is proven by reading the posts of EVERY person in this thread who has said they're for it.
You mad son? lol...
This would all be fine and dandy but Blizzard already produced a video about hardcore and inferno, and that the bosses would have even more abilities and tweaks for HC only... So wtf is wrong with modifying gear slightly to compensate? Either way, it's trivial, it'll be what it is.
HC D2 is boring as shit. It was fun to begin with due to the fact it was a change from SC, but after a while you realize HC is just SC but with less choices.
You have to play a PvM build with a high focus on survivability; that means ES build for every sorc, summons for every necro, etc. etc. You can't really fool around with other builds because it's too risky; you can't even go kill Hell Nihlathak because the risk is absolutely retarded. You're also completely missing the PvP aspect of the game.
Probably my biggest gripe about HC is how the HC-elitists feel superior to SC players. The game's not that hard. There are only 3 things that will really kill you in HC: 1) On death abilities like fire enchanted ancients/stygian dolls 2) Burning Souls and 3)Iron Maiden from Oblivion Knights if you're melee (but blizzard removed iron maiden from oblivion knights so now there's only 2 things that will really kill you).
Now, if HC D3 is some how different and not just a stripped down version of SC D3 (eg. HC D3 has added content, HC specific gear, etc. etc.) then I'll be excited but at the moment it doesn't seem that way.
NOTE: This is from an experienced hardcore player that had a 94 wind druid/89 blizz sorc.
You just contradicted yourself talking about only "3 things" would kill you on HC between your 2nd and 3rd paragraph. And what about the fact that HC requires a somewhat flawless playstyle... I take it you don't duel much, or did, when you played hc for about 20 minutes that it took to hit 94 on xpac lol
I think it's a waste of time to discuss, unless we're all going to continue to rant =) I doubt an open/closed beta will even occur, it's going to stay in this "F&F" blanket and the game will be released.. They don't even need to allow any more people into the beta, it is what it's going to be regardless in the current state it's in right now.
This is exactly why they SHOULD have a RMAH for HC... The only reasoning given by Blizzard not to have one, is the issue of scrubs whining about losing items they paid real money for, none the less, isn't any real money spent even for softcore items $ that you've permanently lost from your wallet either way? It's now been put into circulation and no longer yours... RMAH should be active for HC, period.
You can bet your balls there will be a strong emphasis by Blizzard to quash black market trading. They can't and won't stop it, but they'll do their damndest. Why? Because now its in their MONETARY interest to do so. They want to keep it all going through their network so any payouts get taxed by their fees properly.
All they have to do is turn on RMAH for HC and things are settled.
The problem lies in the fact that it's HARDCORE, I guarantee you there will be a HUGE outcry if there's an RMAH in HC, just because the whole point of HC is to be the best by being able to survive farming, and trading item for item with fellow HC people.
Also yes, on paper losing your HC RMAH items shouldn't be an issue because people knew what they were getting into. But I can also tell you straight up how many lawsuits will be filed instantly once someone looses $450 worth of gear they bought, and I doubt Blizzard ever wants to deal with that. You can post all the disclaimers you want, but that won't stop somebody from suing because their son used their credit card, and now they are broke, can't pay for medical bills and Blizzard's policy is to not refund. Then they can go into the fact that Blizzard is making an environment purposely so people will have to buy items, (their toon eventually dies) and then they have to re - buy. I completely agree and I'm glad with their decision, I would do the exact same thing.
There's no possible lawsuit for loss of items. We all "accept" the terms of EULA for every Blizzard game leaving the game in total subject to Blizzard's sole discretion.
Anyway, I think the HC community is looked at from the outside in, and defining what we as HC players already have defined. It's acceptable to buy gear the same way you traded your time spent farming the items that may potentially drop for you. Spend your time making $ and buying the gear on d3, or spend time on d3 farming the items, then trading for the gear... either way we HC players could care less how trades happen, I can assure you this is an accepted point of view. Just go look at d2jsp and if you need to conduct any further dialogue as to how HC players feel about spending outside currency on Diablo items, I have no idea what else to say.
I personally would rather sell the stuff found in inferno that I won't be using for real $ rather than stashing it.
Lastly, I really don't think anyone who's contributed to this decision even plays HC... otherwise they would know how it is already operating. New players return to Diablo 2 HCC every other week and just spend 2000+ JSP currency that they purchased with real $, on items to gear their characters.
Or when doing baal runs, people would leave the second they saw a pack of souls near the waypoint... I'd dash right in and see how long it took to kill them. Or at least I'd drag them away so someone else could go port to the chamber - even if I died 100 times. Things like that are stuff I enjoy doing.
That's something I just can't do on hardcore.
It's the same way for the hardcore players. What you find fun I find retarded. What's the joy in dying a hundred times to kill a few monsters. Prove that you were up for the challenge? Obviously you weren't since you died those 100 times.
That's the main difference between hardcore and softcore.
Softcore is like "Oh what the hell..." since the only risk involved is loss of gold and hardcore is "Better think this through..." because if you die - you're dead.
Even looking at SC vs HC objectively, hardcore involves much more risk than SC. Everything that your character carries (including the stash, which you can't loot to my knowledge) disappears. That's possibly quite a lot of items if you haven't muled items in a while. Not only would your main character be dead but items you could have used to give your new ones a little head start are also gone. Basically, you start over from scratch.
Hardcore specific items doesn't have to be unique weapon modifiers that would change the game compared to SC. A visually more appealing item to show off your hard work and maybe just a bit higher or optimized stats. No bullshit like:
"Archangels Might"
"Revives character upon death. Effect can only occur once every week of play."
Something like that would be ridiculous, not to mention gamebreaking and that's not what we're suggesting. I just want something to say that I'm a badass motherfucker that beat Diablo 3 on Infero while playing hardcore. Could be a cool looking armor, could be a unique title and banner for my character, could be a unique achievement, could be an awesome weapon.
As for why there should be a reward involved? You have one life. Simple as that. Keeping alive takes a lot of skill and care when playing your character.
This is exactly why they SHOULD have a RMAH for HC... The only reasoning given by Blizzard not to have one, is the issue of scrubs whining about losing items they paid real money for, none the less, isn't any real money spent even for softcore items $ that you've permanently lost from your wallet either way? It's now been put into circulation and no longer yours... RMAH should be active for HC, period.
You can bet your balls there will be a strong emphasis by Blizzard to quash black market trading. They can't and won't stop it, but they'll do their damndest. Why? Because now its in their MONETARY interest to do so. They want to keep it all going through their network so any payouts get taxed by their fees properly.
All they have to do is turn on RMAH for HC and things are settled.
=) yo I'm out 30 y/o w/ tattoo on eye wants to go out, and I ain't above it... so I'm sure you and I will be humping these forums tomorrow while I do homework (I HATE college)... lata, enjoy your evening/day wherever you are~
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win.
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Agreed
Why would I make this up? Lol I could care less...
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? The only thing I experience is picking up ears lol
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Try dueling on hardcore, and consistently winning, MEANWHILE maintaining your high lvl and xping on a regular basis... that'll wet your taste buds.
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Diablo 3 needs to come out so we can spend less time on this forum chatting, and more time playing the game we're all waiting for, however we chose to play it.
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I wish I could find it... I don't stockpile links to share for convo =(
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You mad son? lol...
This would all be fine and dandy but Blizzard already produced a video about hardcore and inferno, and that the bosses would have even more abilities and tweaks for HC only... So wtf is wrong with modifying gear slightly to compensate? Either way, it's trivial, it'll be what it is.
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You just contradicted yourself talking about only "3 things" would kill you on HC between your 2nd and 3rd paragraph. And what about the fact that HC requires a somewhat flawless playstyle... I take it you don't duel much, or did, when you played hc for about 20 minutes that it took to hit 94 on xpac lol
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There's no possible lawsuit for loss of items. We all "accept" the terms of EULA for every Blizzard game leaving the game in total subject to Blizzard's sole discretion.
Anyway, I think the HC community is looked at from the outside in, and defining what we as HC players already have defined. It's acceptable to buy gear the same way you traded your time spent farming the items that may potentially drop for you. Spend your time making $ and buying the gear on d3, or spend time on d3 farming the items, then trading for the gear... either way we HC players could care less how trades happen, I can assure you this is an accepted point of view. Just go look at d2jsp and if you need to conduct any further dialogue as to how HC players feel about spending outside currency on Diablo items, I have no idea what else to say.
I personally would rather sell the stuff found in inferno that I won't be using for real $ rather than stashing it.
Lastly, I really don't think anyone who's contributed to this decision even plays HC... otherwise they would know how it is already operating. New players return to Diablo 2 HCC every other week and just spend 2000+ JSP currency that they purchased with real $, on items to gear their characters.
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Agree to each and every single word.
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All they have to do is turn on RMAH for HC and things are settled.
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That's pretty sweet... I'm really excited to see all this on the real tip.
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