Hate to break it to you but I dont think Skyrim has won any awards yet. Plus the elder scrolls series is played by more of a select group of dedicated players than the casual gamer. I would say D3's competition for Game of the Year is actually Guild Wars 2. Coincidentally GW2 won Gamescom 2010 while D3 won Gamescom 2011. Personally I still think some of the systems in GW2 still top their counterparts in D3.
Fortunately, D3 beta isnt quite the typical videogame beta. Apparently their testing the software systems in their alpha and in-company testing. They just want to test their hardware with the beta. So sorta good news it means D3 can be just about done when they release beta, we'd just never know.
My 2 cents: I believe Blizzard's goal is to head towards a more gear oriented skill system where what you are currently wearing helps determine the power of your skills. For example Equipping gear with high cold resistance and high defense gives you a more powerful Frost Armor skill.
I believe Jay phrased it as they would like their skill system to be like Borderlands, ironically I believe borderlands said their game was like Diablo and their gear gave "+ 1" to X skill- and this such feature Jay foolishly already said was removed.
I personally won't mind this new skill system IF they do it right and have skills adjusted to MULTIPLE player gear. So bash may be dependent on how powerful your shield's defense is while Disentegrate could be dependent on how powerful your gloves are, and so on... as long as they vary the dependencies it could be a pretty cool idea. But something tells me they won't and Jay wilson's image of Diablo looking like Jay will fail
Im not so sure you read it right but they haven't made this change, its only theoretical. And if it works better than the current system (which I doubt will happen) THEN they will implement it. And I doubt that will happen because the current system works great, the theoretical system i believe will run into balancing issues with drops: because they'll need to put enough drops out for people to experiment with the randomness but they cant put too many out to make runes cheap. I also think this means some skills will never end up being runed as you are going to try to put every single rune into your favorite skill until you get the rune you want.
I have nothing against a toggle option. In fact I am all for such an option. But you never know IF there will be such an option. That's what I'm trying to say: don't go slamming doors or keybords if such an option doesn't exist for the release of the game. The truth is that sooner or later all of those "super secret" builds that people like you will try to hide for themselves WILL eventually be found out and played by millions of players all over the world
I don't really see what the whole fuss is all about.
But you are definitely right that people should be presented with the choice to toggle on or off this function and no one should be forced to do anything against their will.
But explain to me why hiding your builds is that important cause I don't really understand the reason behind it.
There are other reasons out there but for me its mainly two things: If I can see your hand I can beat you; and vise-versa. I personally don't like getting beat I don't take it that seriously, but when you are doing Diablo tournaments (which will likely happen either officially or un-officially ) and a PvP ladder, winning and losing does hold some merit. Say I create a build where Im winning 75% of the time, people take notice and inspect me, they like it and post on a website. Now with multiple people using this successful build my winning % drops to say 50%, not terrible but definitley not as fun as winning 75% of the time. 1st problem: Now people develop a counter to it and now the winning % drops to 30%. This is where in most build-based games you just have to move on and make a new build. And here's the second problem: re-building. In order to make a new build, Id either have to make an entirely different character or respec my old char, either way a Complete pain-in-the-ass.
Of course Im guessing your next argument is that this kind of trouble can still happen without the inspect feature, on Diablo fan sites. And this is where you'd be dead wrong. Only a select few people actually post on fan sites, not every user of a game. And the chance that someone has the exact same build as me and that someone posts builds on fansites is extremely small.
Either way this is my own competitive perspective and I sincerely hope Blizzard includes a toggle option. The only reason I posted in here was because for some reason the Diablocast guys thought a toggle option was a ridiculous idea yet they provided no explanation why.
I lol at some of you people who are so against having other people look at your items/builds/skills that you even start becoming so angry and aggressive... Relax, it's just a game, it's not like someone is gonna eat your cookies or something.
"Oh no someone just took a look at my super hyper mega secret build that I don't want to share with anyone what am I going to do naaaooooooo...." Wow, that's a worldwide disaster, no one is ever going to recover and nothing will be the same again...
Get a grip. This is not going to affect YOUR games in absolutely any way and it will not take the fun away from you so... And people are always going to find out about your super secret builds in one way or another. Just enjoy the game, mkay? Hell, if I find some great build that no one has tried before the first thing I would do will be to share it with all of you guys and girls here.
That's why we are a COMMUNITY to SHARE stuff about our most beloved game with one another and not to hide our own accomplishments as if we are 5 year olds. Grow up.
To each his own bud. Chill out.
It may be your view to have a communal-sharing game. but some people prefer Competitive gameplay to Communal-fun-loving gameplay. Sure D3 will be a community but only so far as each user is playing the same game. And there will likely be sub-communities beneath that where people will share a little bit more. But even between sub-communities (lets just call them clans) I would argue people will be wanting a competitive edge.
So what's wrong with having a toggle option? No one can seem to answer this with logical justification. Again I dont think people should be FORCED to display their stuff if they don't want to. The option can be there to allow for Communal-fun-loving gamers like you but there should also be an option suited for more competitive gamers.
The point of such a feature is to easily share your gear set-up or your skills/traits with others or even show-off a little bit. It's always fun too see some item on someone that you never even thought that it existed in the first place.
Sorry I added something about WoW :|
UH huh thats one kitten as good as kicked,
So i think its fine to share your gear as you please, but not everyone has the "flaunt my stuff to the public" kind of personality. I don't think that we should be Forced to show everyone our gear and build. I personally see no benefit to the Diablo gameplay by forcing people to reveal their build. Think of it as playing poker with the cards face up.
Thats why Im hoping they include a toggle option. THe guys in the diablocast apparently are still programmed on WoW thinking and believe a toggle option is a bad idea.
so cookie-cutter builds will be really hard to find or even to determine because of the immensly large skill combinations and team set-ups, you will simply beat some team set-ups while others will beat you for example. Determing which builds are cookie-cutters from 97 billion combinations is something that I actually want to see.
You are only providing more arguments against inspection, or at least FOR a toggle option. If as you say, cookie-cutter builds will be impossible to determine in the first place (which I think is not true), but if what you say is correct, Then whats the purpose for inspect feature at all? All people will do is glance at someone's build aaaaand thats it because they can't determine if its godly good or not. Hell, you could probably just get a better representation of how good their build is by simpply playing with them.
Of course who knows, maybe the next feature they release is an AI player feature where other players can not only look at your build, But play with an AI version of your character and build too! It would be just like playing with a real person and their build except it'd be AI controlled! wouldn't that be awesome!?
Why would a toggle option be a joke? If your saying MOST people would end up toggling off inspect and the inspect feature would become obsolete, Aren't you just providing an argument FOR NOT having an inspect feature or at least having a toggle option (majority rule)?
And a little more about this whole inspect thing. Yeh, I get it, you Diablocast guys played WoW and loved it, but dammit Diablo isn't WoW. What worked in WoW won't necessarily work in Diablo. WoW isn't nearly as build heavy as Diablo. You aren't even going to have a ton of players googling at your gear in-game because its not an MMO.
And because you are relating Diablo to WoW you are assuming cookie cutter builds will dominate. Not true, I would bet my car that: without an inspect feature, cookie cutter builds will not dominate. Wana know why, because games like Diablo that are based heavily on builds get a flood of random players and random builds each countering each other. Without an inspect, the builds that are doing somewhat better than average don't necessarily get discovered---in other words everything stays random.- What in the world is wrong with playing with essentially random players and builds?? True some builds/team strategy get posted online but most players don't end up doing that. Mathematically that means cookie cutter builds will probablistically take a long time to be found if at all (In other words, the chance a user finds a build that works well above average without a current counter combined with the chance that the same user likes to post all of his builds online is very small).
Again, my characters will go naked to protest if theres no toggle..
And for the last time Diablo is not WoW, If one person replies anything like "But Inspect works great in WoW! Thats how you know it will be great for Diablo" I swear to God Ill kick a kitten.
I also dont see the big deal with cooldowns, they have existed for a while in multiple rpg games. Im only glad they didn't add "casting time" that would really irk yall.
As for a 2 minute cooldown, Im quite confident you will understand why its that long, once you see the skill in action. They are not putting a 2 minute cooldown on "flare" or some crap skill. They are putting it on a truly epic, destructive, colorful, legendary-like skill. Its supposed to be your "Ace in the hole" its going to "knock their socks off" its your "last stand strike" the "knock-out punch" your "ultimate weapon" it is supposed to change the tide of battle!
@popo_joe and any others that argue an AH will destroy trading....
I've read many of these arguments and I have to feel that the common underlining motivation is that you want to do P2P trading so you can haggle. Haggle is another word for ripping someone off. Either you do it by offering a boat load of crap to someone for their one great item, usually stating "come on godly player, I need help, please trade..." Or you offer a crap unique item to someone for a better item using the tired, totally inaccurate method of "this is the going rate for your cool item - my crap item." Except you don't tell them your item is crap.
Lets forget trying to reason with those who actually enjoyed going into trading games for hours with their wares trying to rip people off - I respect you find that entertaining (I have no idea why) and I'm not going to try and change that. But lets be realistic. If your main motivation to P2P trading ISN'T ripping people off (haggling) than all that is left is perusing peoples items for something cool - right? Can't you do that in an AH? Yes you can. So why be so upset about an AH? Because you can't haggle. Because you can't be social and motivate someone into taking your item for substandard offers.
You can still (most likely) make a trading game or do P2P trading in some fashion. So why feel threatened at all?
I know why. I think what's really got you all upset is that with an established economy of gold AND a system like the AH to set realistic standards for pricing - your P2P haggling (ripping people off) will be debunked because no one is going to take your crappy items for over priced amounts of gold or items anymore. They can leave your trade, go to the AH - verify the general prices - return to your game and offer you a FAIR trade.
Some have said "listing auctions, perusing the auctions, bidding on auctions is so boring". I can't believe this to be a game breaker for you, since going into trade game after trade game is the SAME THING. The only difference in an AH is that you can't motivate someone to take your item for a substandard trade. Aka - you can't rip people off in an AH. Isn't that really why you are upset?
oh...I guess buying is the same thing as trading then... sorry , my mistake.
next time when i'm at the supermarket i'll offer the cashier my pair of socks + my shoes for the groceries.
anyways... the only thing I don't understand is why people want a gold based economy so bad, I know an auction house could help, but was item vs item trading so bad in D2, did it make you stop playing?
it was unique to diablo and original, you won't see any online game that has that, why does people want to put an end to what made diablo so unique?
popo_joe, you are full of crap. Stop trying to sidestep the issue, your not fooling anyone. Your problem has nothing to do with a gold economy. As stated above, you just want to rip people off so you can build your character up. Not surprisingly, Im sure there are lots of people with your mentality.
1. haggling does not equal socializing, just stop saying that. Socializing is "hi, what did you do today?" haggling is "WUG." There is no interest in the other person, only interest in the items you can gain. So stop saying: "I enjoy haggling, I even help people out" cause thats a load of shit. If you haggle, you are only interested in what you can get out of other people, especially noobs. This really irks me because I was "helped out" by lots of people from D2 just to find out later I actually helped them out a lot. Seeing the prices in an AH would help this problem
2. For the last time, Yes. when you buy something with currency, that is STILL trading. Go look it up. The only reason a grocery store won't accept your socks and shoes is because Currency is standard and dependable. A one dollar bill always equals $1. you can't argue what a dollar is worth, its static and it removes arguments and makes transactions go much faster. This is why we want a GOLD based economy.
3. About the whole 'unique' thing (I can tell its a smokescreen but Ill still address it), No, haggling was not unique to Diablo; you could and still can haggle in a lot of online games. And just because something is unique doesn't mean that it should remain the status quo.
The old diablo skill system was unique, not-Talking properly is unique to Sylvester Stallone (sorry just watched one of his movies, I don't know how the hell he made it so far without knowing english), and Sucking every year is unique to the Mets.
Im sort of curious. You all keep throwing around this "melee wizard" idea but I don't think I completely understand what you mean by this. Could someone provide a concept of how a melee wizard would operate? Like do they still cast spells they just run around with a sword instead of a wand? Or do they use "melee spells" like some sort of summoned lightning hammer?
In my opinion I don't see why you don't just use a barb with a fiery magical sword - Ther ya go magic and melee combined.
CORRECTION: Id like to state that from what I can remember horde mode was in Left 4 Dead Before it was in Gears of War. It was called SURVIVOR mode in l4d
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I believe Jay phrased it as they would like their skill system to be like Borderlands, ironically I believe borderlands said their game was like Diablo and their gear gave "+ 1" to X skill- and this such feature Jay foolishly already said was removed.
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There are other reasons out there but for me its mainly two things: If I can see your hand I can beat you; and vise-versa. I personally don't like getting beat I don't take it that seriously, but when you are doing Diablo tournaments (which will likely happen either officially or un-officially ) and a PvP ladder, winning and losing does hold some merit. Say I create a build where Im winning 75% of the time, people take notice and inspect me, they like it and post on a website. Now with multiple people using this successful build my winning % drops to say 50%, not terrible but definitley not as fun as winning 75% of the time. 1st problem: Now people develop a counter to it and now the winning % drops to 30%. This is where in most build-based games you just have to move on and make a new build. And here's the second problem: re-building. In order to make a new build, Id either have to make an entirely different character or respec my old char, either way a Complete pain-in-the-ass.
Of course Im guessing your next argument is that this kind of trouble can still happen without the inspect feature, on Diablo fan sites. And this is where you'd be dead wrong. Only a select few people actually post on fan sites, not every user of a game. And the chance that someone has the exact same build as me and that someone posts builds on fansites is extremely small.
Either way this is my own competitive perspective and I sincerely hope Blizzard includes a toggle option. The only reason I posted in here was because for some reason the Diablocast guys thought a toggle option was a ridiculous idea yet they provided no explanation why.
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To each his own bud. Chill out.
It may be your view to have a communal-sharing game. but some people prefer Competitive gameplay to Communal-fun-loving gameplay. Sure D3 will be a community but only so far as each user is playing the same game. And there will likely be sub-communities beneath that where people will share a little bit more. But even between sub-communities (lets just call them clans) I would argue people will be wanting a competitive edge.
So what's wrong with having a toggle option? No one can seem to answer this with logical justification. Again I dont think people should be FORCED to display their stuff if they don't want to. The option can be there to allow for Communal-fun-loving gamers like you but there should also be an option suited for more competitive gamers.
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UH huh thats one kitten as good as kicked,
So i think its fine to share your gear as you please, but not everyone has the "flaunt my stuff to the public" kind of personality. I don't think that we should be Forced to show everyone our gear and build. I personally see no benefit to the Diablo gameplay by forcing people to reveal their build. Think of it as playing poker with the cards face up.
Thats why Im hoping they include a toggle option. THe guys in the diablocast apparently are still programmed on WoW thinking and believe a toggle option is a bad idea.
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You are only providing more arguments against inspection, or at least FOR a toggle option. If as you say, cookie-cutter builds will be impossible to determine in the first place (which I think is not true), but if what you say is correct, Then whats the purpose for inspect feature at all? All people will do is glance at someone's build aaaaand thats it because they can't determine if its godly good or not. Hell, you could probably just get a better representation of how good their build is by simpply playing with them.
Of course who knows, maybe the next feature they release is an AI player feature where other players can not only look at your build, But play with an AI version of your character and build too! It would be just like playing with a real person and their build except it'd be AI controlled! wouldn't that be awesome!?
BTW thnx for not mentioning WoW
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And a little more about this whole inspect thing. Yeh, I get it, you Diablocast guys played WoW and loved it, but dammit Diablo isn't WoW. What worked in WoW won't necessarily work in Diablo. WoW isn't nearly as build heavy as Diablo. You aren't even going to have a ton of players googling at your gear in-game because its not an MMO.
And because you are relating Diablo to WoW you are assuming cookie cutter builds will dominate. Not true, I would bet my car that: without an inspect feature, cookie cutter builds will not dominate. Wana know why, because games like Diablo that are based heavily on builds get a flood of random players and random builds each countering each other. Without an inspect, the builds that are doing somewhat better than average don't necessarily get discovered---in other words everything stays random.- What in the world is wrong with playing with essentially random players and builds?? True some builds/team strategy get posted online but most players don't end up doing that. Mathematically that means cookie cutter builds will probablistically take a long time to be found if at all (In other words, the chance a user finds a build that works well above average without a current counter combined with the chance that the same user likes to post all of his builds online is very small).
Again, my characters will go naked to protest if theres no toggle..
And for the last time Diablo is not WoW, If one person replies anything like "But Inspect works great in WoW! Thats how you know it will be great for Diablo" I swear to God Ill kick a kitten.
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As for a 2 minute cooldown, Im quite confident you will understand why its that long, once you see the skill in action. They are not putting a 2 minute cooldown on "flare" or some crap skill. They are putting it on a truly epic, destructive, colorful, legendary-like skill. Its supposed to be your "Ace in the hole" its going to "knock their socks off" its your "last stand strike" the "knock-out punch" your "ultimate weapon" it is supposed to change the tide of battle!
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Polrayne, Well put Good Sir!
popo_joe, you are full of crap. Stop trying to sidestep the issue, your not fooling anyone. Your problem has nothing to do with a gold economy. As stated above, you just want to rip people off so you can build your character up. Not surprisingly, Im sure there are lots of people with your mentality.
1. haggling does not equal socializing, just stop saying that. Socializing is "hi, what did you do today?" haggling is "WUG." There is no interest in the other person, only interest in the items you can gain. So stop saying: "I enjoy haggling, I even help people out" cause thats a load of shit. If you haggle, you are only interested in what you can get out of other people, especially noobs. This really irks me because I was "helped out" by lots of people from D2 just to find out later I actually helped them out a lot. Seeing the prices in an AH would help this problem
2. For the last time, Yes. when you buy something with currency, that is STILL trading. Go look it up. The only reason a grocery store won't accept your socks and shoes is because Currency is standard and dependable. A one dollar bill always equals $1. you can't argue what a dollar is worth, its static and it removes arguments and makes transactions go much faster. This is why we want a GOLD based economy.
3. About the whole 'unique' thing (I can tell its a smokescreen but Ill still address it), No, haggling was not unique to Diablo; you could and still can haggle in a lot of online games. And just because something is unique doesn't mean that it should remain the status quo.
The old diablo skill system was unique, not-Talking properly is unique to Sylvester Stallone (sorry just watched one of his movies, I don't know how the hell he made it so far without knowing english), and Sucking every year is unique to the Mets.
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In my opinion I don't see why you don't just use a barb with a fiery magical sword - Ther ya go magic and melee combined.