if I was a business man I would hire SC team over Diablo team cause the SC team took care of its fans..
Yea but your not a business man and for good reasons
And whos diablos fans? because im pretty sure diablos fans are eager and awaiting a badass game that we all know is going to be badass. So who are you?
Sorry but I don't see how that's a logical metaphor. Because as we all know replacing a broken fan with a new one is an improvement, however removing your leg for any reason (other than to save your life from infection) is not an improvement.
But you just said that the old fan works fine. It gives off enough air to keep my system cool and running and not cause issues. Thus your leg does the exact same. Let's say someone takes over your computer and you know your fan works fine and even tho it is running at "40%" efficiency the person who takes your computer over goes ahead and places it out for a new fan that works as far as you know worse or just as well..but when you ask why..they simply say...I was confused at how it turned its blades.
Umpa what makes you think your opinion is greater then mine? By refusing to debate you do nothing but show how little you and any of your followers are.
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Yea but your not a business man and for good reasons
And whos diablos fans? because im pretty sure diablos fans are eager and awaiting a badass game that we all know is going to be badass. So who are you?
P.S
SC is not Diablo
PS: This is in the SC forum!!!
Um I am the guy who has played Diablo 1 since day 1...got Diablo 2 day 1...#1 on every PvP ladder I have joined and have run several myself on D2jsp which in case you havent heard pretty much runs D2?
I am the guy who is going to kill you countless times and grieve the shit out of you in any game you play for that matter cause I just can and I dislike shittalkers with a passion.
So...you can await a game where you are nice a safe from me and locked away in carebear land all you want.
Still waiting for a response on the topic as Backstabbing in SC or hell some evidence or information how Diablo isn't carebearing their product but SC is?
Who needs to be safe in Diablo PvM?
Your guy is essentially a god killing thousands of monsters in a given minute.
So lets say you get in the leg...leg still works but you can take that dead dudes leg over and put it on you and you MIGHT walk better, but it isn't really needed since you walk just fine with your current shot leg. You gonna switch legs?
It is quiet easy to add systems to a game, and if you are gonna remove systems buddy atleast come up with a better excuse then that you suck at the game and found it confusing.
Obviously you have never really PvP'd. I mean I know the PvP crowd in Diablo are 90% bad and rely on potions or a team to kill anything or anyone but thats cause you lack the skill needed to do anything solo. Removing weapon switch doesn't alter the difficulty at all, in fact it makes it easier for me to kill you, now how does removing weapon switch make the game balanced? So by balanced you mean remove any sort of system in which someone can gain skill in and thus beat an unskilled person in..so lets remove namelock while we are at it no?
How does weapon switch take more "skill"? Its going to take skill to kill someone whether you have it in there or don't have it in there its just going to require a different strategy?
And no i mean balance as in chugging down retarded potions when your about to die because your bad at the game thats what i mean. Or how retarded overpowered many abilities are in diablo 2. If you think Diablo 2 was a balanced game then i need say no more, you are a moron. lol.
and i can tell you didn't get my P.S guess i should not be to surprised, but you keep saying that Diablo 3 is not enough llike SC2, and if it was i would probably be throwing a little girl fit like you are because AGAIN Diablo 3 is not SC2.
PS: This is in the SC forum!!!
Um I am the guy who has played Diablo 1 since day 1...got Diablo 2 day 1...#1 on every PvP ladder I have joined and have run several myself on D2jsp which in case you havent heard pretty much runs D2?
This is supposed to mean your opinion matters? Well, hate to break it to you, it still doesn't.
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How does weapon switch take more "skill"? Its going to take skill to kill someone whether you have it in there or don't have it in there its just going to require a different strategy?
And no i mean balance as in chugging down retarded potions when your about to die because your bad at the game thats what i mean. Or how retarded overpowered many abilities are in diablo 2. If you think Diablo 2 was a balanced game then i need say no more, you are a moron. lol.
and i can tell you didn't get my P.S guess i should not be to surprised, but you keep saying that Diablo 3 is not enough llike SC2, and if it was i would probably be throwing a little girl fit like you are because AGAIN Diablo 3 is not SC2.
Weapon switch takes NO skill, thus why remove it? Are you siding with me or Blizzard haha. They removed it cause they felt it was an unfair advantage to the rejects who couldn't comprehend what to do with it.
I am saying the dev team is not like SC2 dev team as in SC2 dev team took care of their fans and didn't jerk them around with BS jokes and actually gave them what they wanted since in case you didn't notice...they need us to buy this game so they can get money!! It's called supply and demand, you F up the demand and your supply means shit.
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This is supposed to mean your opinion matters? Well, hate to break it to you, it still doesn't.
Nah doesn't but if it did ever come down to whos opinion would matter most in game designs, I have a ton more credentials then you thus far. I also appear to have reasons for arguement whereas you have done nothing but hide and dodge congrats.
Im sorry if me actually doing something on the game and answering a question geared toward me was looked at as me thinking I am god...then again maybe you should try answering a question sometime?
Well the reason for replacing a fan which isnt correctly is because it isn't working correctly. It's broken. So if you just built a brand new pc which costs a few thousand bucks why would you trust an old broken fan to keep it running? Plain and simple, you wouldn't. It is illogical, as is choosing not to fix a broken system in an old game when making the new one which will be different anyway.
Also belittling someone for having a different opinion than you is childish beyond belief. And the simple fact that you actually engage in grieving people in any game further proves my above point.
And I did respond to your point as to backstabbing in SC. And I did respond to your point as to carebearing and such, I don't believe the D3 team is doing such acts.
As I wasn't trying to start an argument when I first posted I will now stop posting, because just as Umpa stated, there is no point.
And no I'm not a "follower of Umpa" I am merely intelligent enough to respect his position and decision not to argue, just as I was respectful in saying that you have a right to voice your concerns.
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Well the reason for replacing a fan which isnt correctly is because it isn't working correctly. It's broken. So if you just built a brand new pc which costs a few thousand bucks why would you trust an old broken fan to keep it running? Plain and simple, you wouldn't. It is illogical, as is choosing not to fix a broken system in an old game when making the new one which will be different anyway.
Um how was it broken? What have they done to make it better?
Also belittling someone for having a different opinion than you is childish beyond belief. And the simple fact that you actually engage in grieving people in any game further proves my above point.
Trust me buddy, without me there would be no balance and everyone would be butt buddies. Now I didn't belittle anyones opinion and I greatly encourage that they give me their opinions much like you are doing. Umpra just seems to have nothing to say but how hard he dodges.
And I did respond to your point as to backstabbing in SC. And I did respond to your point as to carebearing and such, I don't believe the D3 team is doing such acts.
I know you did, I am talking in general, why am I having to turn my thread about SC2 backstabbing into a thread about how 3 people have a different opinion then me?
And no I'm not a "follower of Umpa" I am merely intelligent enough to respect his position and decision not to argue, just as I was respectful in saying that you have a right to voice your concerns.
His decision to say a simple no and give no reason for it...yea awesome. Thats how I am gonna argue now..I am simply gonna say no then I am going to dodge any real questions.
It's not a dodge. It actually has a purpose. 3 rather.
1. Letting you know that your position is unoriginal and it has all been said before.
2. Showing you that there is no point in arguing about D3 graphics BECAUSE it's been argued about so many times before
3. Trying to help you realize how ridiculous you sound so you can stop making yourself look bad. Let it be known, everyone reading your posts on the graphics are not thinking "Ya he makes a great point!", no, they are thinking "This kid AGAIN? This is getting a bit old don't ya think?"
But yes, as you said, I dodged. Continue owning me with your uber ownage and extensive knowledge of Diablo 3 graphics.
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It's not a dodge. It actually has a purpose. 3 rather.
1. Letting you know that your position is unoriginal and it has all been said before.
2. Showing you that there is no point in arguing about D3 graphics BECAUSE it's been argued about so many times before
3. Trying to help you realize how ridiculous you sound so you can stop making yourself look bad. Let it be known, everyone reading your posts on the graphics are not thinking "Ya he makes a great point!", no, they are thinking "This kid AGAIN? This is getting a bit old don't ya think?"
But yes, as you said, I dodged. Continue owning me with your uber ownage and extensive knowledge of Diablo 3 graphics.
My position is unoriginal? I have yet to see anyone argue the position as I have nor back it up as intently as I have. I have also yet to be told a valid reason for any argument.
I have yet to talk about D3 graphics...I have no idea what you are talking about or what you are smoking. Might wanna try rereading the thread then reply?
Oh wait...im supposed to just say "Who are you? Your opinion doesn't matter, no." "LUlZ1!1!"
Apparently you were not around here when D3 was first showcased. There is thread upon thread with angry kids such as yourself posting entire pages of defense for the same argument.
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"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
Apparently you were not around here when D3 was first showcased. There is thread upon thread with angry kids such as yourself posting entire pages of defense for the same argument.
No I was here, I figured you were above simple stereotypes with your oh so important opinion. Guess not. I mean who blindly replys to a thread...geez noone on here of course!
Anywho, I read all those threads and those kids pointed nothing out. They had little to work with, at this time I have much more to work with yet even I don't have all the details as if it wasn't obvious since knowing you now I need to point out the obvious....Diablo 3 is still in development.
My argument is extremely different from a simple graphics are to soft argument. I am asking why they feel the need to change all these systems and why they can't come up with a solid good answer. Why is it that SC2 team didn't have to rework the whole game to make it work? Why is it that they diligently worked on their game without making a bard race or light in the loafer marines? Why is it that Diablo devs have shown us little and did nothing but talk of how they are changing much of the old which works, and if you say it doesn't then I await a reason on how it doesn't.
DAMN!! I did it again! "NO, UR OPININ MEN NOTIN N HUR NUBZ LuAlxZ"
Why does it not work? Diablo 2 is simply not fun anymore. I don't want to replay Diablo 2. You might, but I don't.
And why did I choose to make those original comments? Well, because not only did you start complaining about the graphics, but you did it in a thread about SC2 backstabbing...Wait, Diablo 3 is still in development?!?!?O_OO_OO_O
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"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
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Why does it not work? Diablo 2 is simply not fun anymore. I don't want to replay Diablo 2. You might, but I don't.
And why did I choose to make those original comments? Well, because not only did you start complaining about the graphics, but you did it in a thread about SC2 backstabbing...Wait, Diablo 3 is still in development?!?!?O_OO_OO_O
Wait...I was complaining about graphics again...damn man I sure must be tired cause last time I checked my thread about SC backstabbing the only time I mentioned graphics was in retaliation to you accusing me of talking about graphics!
I merely stated that the SC2 took their job and their project more seriously and didn't remove systems to make the game easier for people who obviously don't want to learn or acquire any skill. Where as Diablo team is all about playing whole game with just a mouse and making the game as user friendly as possible, which is fine but why do they have to remove systems that worked in Diablo 2 and could come back with some reinventions or upgrades in Diablo 3 for a totally new system?
All Diablo 2 needs is a few skill tweaks, removal of Enigma and some new quests to be easily top 5 PC game again, if it isn't already. Look at what happend to Guild wars, it was readying for release and Diablo was getting stale...then bam Guild wars comes out...and bam Blizzard counter fires with a patch and GW was feeling it. Diablo still thrives to this day and just needs a little love to shine.
In response to D2 new quests and stuff, I lost hope in that happening some time ago.
In response to OP, backstabbing should not be a part of team ladder games. Those are based on a ladder of competition in which skill is reveled so something like backstabbing doesn't belong in ranked matches. Otherwise, it's a pretty fun option.
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In response to D2 new quests and stuff, I lost hope in that happening some time ago.
In response to OP, backstabbing should not be a part of team ladder games. Those are based on a ladder of competition in which skill is reveled so something like backstabbing doesn't belong in ranked matches. Otherwise, it's a pretty fun option.
I agree, in ladder matches they shouldn't be allowed as it would be hellishly abused. I would like someone from the beta to chime in here and let us know if Backstabbing actually made it's way into SC2.
Allowing to change teams has benefits and disadvantages. Say your doing a 3v3 and 1 of your team members leave the game thus it is 2v3 now, in sc1 you could all ally and everyone wins but the loser who left, then again you can be playing an honest game and I can turn on you and kill you..then again you just never know what is gonna happen and that I feel is fun and a huge part of why SC and Diablo are great.
Also thinking.. if they don't allow BS then can you manually target your ally and attack them unit by unit? Whats stopping me from blowing up your main base?
The 2v3 thing is a great point. One thing I always despised about WC3 was when a teammate just decided to up in leave, in any game custom or ladder. I want backstabbing!
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Noone that is playing the beta has any idea if Backstabbing is in SC2? I mean apparently noone on this forum or anywhere for that matter has even played the beta since it would be a pretty clear system to notice and I figured it would of been talked about atleast or acknowledged atleast by Blizzard.
I don't know, but if they give me the option to disable such a thing I would, otherwise I could care less if people like you use an option like that to be a traitor and attack the people who have been helping you.
I wish we could get a lil info about backstabbing. It was a nice element in Starcraft. Some games I found out my enemys became my allies and my allies became my enemys. lol Vary confusing stuff indeed
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Yea but your not a business man and for good reasons
And whos diablos fans? because im pretty sure diablos fans are eager and awaiting a badass game that we all know is going to be badass. So who are you?
P.S
SC is not Diablo
But you just said that the old fan works fine. It gives off enough air to keep my system cool and running and not cause issues. Thus your leg does the exact same. Let's say someone takes over your computer and you know your fan works fine and even tho it is running at "40%" efficiency the person who takes your computer over goes ahead and places it out for a new fan that works as far as you know worse or just as well..but when you ask why..they simply say...I was confused at how it turned its blades.
Umpa what makes you think your opinion is greater then mine? By refusing to debate you do nothing but show how little you and any of your followers are.
PS: This is in the SC forum!!!
Um I am the guy who has played Diablo 1 since day 1...got Diablo 2 day 1...#1 on every PvP ladder I have joined and have run several myself on D2jsp which in case you havent heard pretty much runs D2?
I am the guy who is going to kill you countless times and grieve the shit out of you in any game you play for that matter cause I just can and I dislike shittalkers with a passion.
So...you can await a game where you are nice a safe from me and locked away in carebear land all you want.
Still waiting for a response on the topic as Backstabbing in SC or hell some evidence or information how Diablo isn't carebearing their product but SC is?
How does weapon switch take more "skill"? Its going to take skill to kill someone whether you have it in there or don't have it in there its just going to require a different strategy?
And no i mean balance as in chugging down retarded potions when your about to die because your bad at the game thats what i mean. Or how retarded overpowered many abilities are in diablo 2. If you think Diablo 2 was a balanced game then i need say no more, you are a moron. lol.
and i can tell you didn't get my P.S guess i should not be to surprised, but you keep saying that Diablo 3 is not enough llike SC2, and if it was i would probably be throwing a little girl fit like you are because AGAIN Diablo 3 is not SC2.
This is supposed to mean your opinion matters? Well, hate to break it to you, it still doesn't.
-Equinox
"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
Weapon switch takes NO skill, thus why remove it? Are you siding with me or Blizzard haha. They removed it cause they felt it was an unfair advantage to the rejects who couldn't comprehend what to do with it.
I am saying the dev team is not like SC2 dev team as in SC2 dev team took care of their fans and didn't jerk them around with BS jokes and actually gave them what they wanted since in case you didn't notice...they need us to buy this game so they can get money!! It's called supply and demand, you F up the demand and your supply means shit.
Nah doesn't but if it did ever come down to whos opinion would matter most in game designs, I have a ton more credentials then you thus far. I also appear to have reasons for arguement whereas you have done nothing but hide and dodge congrats.
Im sorry if me actually doing something on the game and answering a question geared toward me was looked at as me thinking I am god...then again maybe you should try answering a question sometime?
Also belittling someone for having a different opinion than you is childish beyond belief. And the simple fact that you actually engage in grieving people in any game further proves my above point.
And I did respond to your point as to backstabbing in SC. And I did respond to your point as to carebearing and such, I don't believe the D3 team is doing such acts.
As I wasn't trying to start an argument when I first posted I will now stop posting, because just as Umpa stated, there is no point.
And no I'm not a "follower of Umpa" I am merely intelligent enough to respect his position and decision not to argue, just as I was respectful in saying that you have a right to voice your concerns.
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Trust me buddy, without me there would be no balance and everyone would be butt buddies. Now I didn't belittle anyones opinion and I greatly encourage that they give me their opinions much like you are doing. Umpra just seems to have nothing to say but how hard he dodges.
I know you did, I am talking in general, why am I having to turn my thread about SC2 backstabbing into a thread about how 3 people have a different opinion then me?
His decision to say a simple no and give no reason for it...yea awesome. Thats how I am gonna argue now..I am simply gonna say no then I am going to dodge any real questions.
1. Letting you know that your position is unoriginal and it has all been said before.
2. Showing you that there is no point in arguing about D3 graphics BECAUSE it's been argued about so many times before
3. Trying to help you realize how ridiculous you sound so you can stop making yourself look bad. Let it be known, everyone reading your posts on the graphics are not thinking "Ya he makes a great point!", no, they are thinking "This kid AGAIN? This is getting a bit old don't ya think?"
But yes, as you said, I dodged. Continue owning me with your uber ownage and extensive knowledge of Diablo 3 graphics.
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"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
My position is unoriginal? I have yet to see anyone argue the position as I have nor back it up as intently as I have. I have also yet to be told a valid reason for any argument.
I have yet to talk about D3 graphics...I have no idea what you are talking about or what you are smoking. Might wanna try rereading the thread then reply?
Oh wait...im supposed to just say "Who are you? Your opinion doesn't matter, no." "LUlZ1!1!"
-Equinox
"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
No I was here, I figured you were above simple stereotypes with your oh so important opinion. Guess not. I mean who blindly replys to a thread...geez noone on here of course!
Anywho, I read all those threads and those kids pointed nothing out. They had little to work with, at this time I have much more to work with yet even I don't have all the details as if it wasn't obvious since knowing you now I need to point out the obvious....Diablo 3 is still in development.
My argument is extremely different from a simple graphics are to soft argument. I am asking why they feel the need to change all these systems and why they can't come up with a solid good answer. Why is it that SC2 team didn't have to rework the whole game to make it work? Why is it that they diligently worked on their game without making a bard race or light in the loafer marines? Why is it that Diablo devs have shown us little and did nothing but talk of how they are changing much of the old which works, and if you say it doesn't then I await a reason on how it doesn't.
DAMN!! I did it again! "NO, UR OPININ MEN NOTIN N HUR NUBZ LuAlxZ"
And why did I choose to make those original comments? Well, because not only did you start complaining about the graphics, but you did it in a thread about SC2 backstabbing...Wait, Diablo 3 is still in development?!?!?O_OO_OO_O
-Equinox
"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
Wait...I was complaining about graphics again...damn man I sure must be tired cause last time I checked my thread about SC backstabbing the only time I mentioned graphics was in retaliation to you accusing me of talking about graphics!
I merely stated that the SC2 took their job and their project more seriously and didn't remove systems to make the game easier for people who obviously don't want to learn or acquire any skill. Where as Diablo team is all about playing whole game with just a mouse and making the game as user friendly as possible, which is fine but why do they have to remove systems that worked in Diablo 2 and could come back with some reinventions or upgrades in Diablo 3 for a totally new system?
All Diablo 2 needs is a few skill tweaks, removal of Enigma and some new quests to be easily top 5 PC game again, if it isn't already. Look at what happend to Guild wars, it was readying for release and Diablo was getting stale...then bam Guild wars comes out...and bam Blizzard counter fires with a patch and GW was feeling it. Diablo still thrives to this day and just needs a little love to shine.
In response to D2 new quests and stuff, I lost hope in that happening some time ago.
In response to OP, backstabbing should not be a part of team ladder games. Those are based on a ladder of competition in which skill is reveled so something like backstabbing doesn't belong in ranked matches. Otherwise, it's a pretty fun option.
-Equinox
"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
I agree, in ladder matches they shouldn't be allowed as it would be hellishly abused. I would like someone from the beta to chime in here and let us know if Backstabbing actually made it's way into SC2.
Allowing to change teams has benefits and disadvantages. Say your doing a 3v3 and 1 of your team members leave the game thus it is 2v3 now, in sc1 you could all ally and everyone wins but the loser who left, then again you can be playing an honest game and I can turn on you and kill you..then again you just never know what is gonna happen and that I feel is fun and a huge part of why SC and Diablo are great.
Also thinking.. if they don't allow BS then can you manually target your ally and attack them unit by unit? Whats stopping me from blowing up your main base?
-Equinox
"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
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