most builds, even those with many likes, are often just very VERY generic 6pc-class-sets with mostly furnace, COE, focus/restraint or TP, maybe a unity, hellfire, nemesis or RorG. some use also a weapon/offhand set if there exists one. cant really get more generic than that, well thats the blizzard recipe for base of all builds. SOME however require at least 1-2 specific items, like HotA builds (gravel, bracers) or Talrashas (meteor: nilfurs,vizir).
while there can be some variations, the "best" build for each 6pc is often pretty clear and there are not too many options. so it would really be a nice thing if there were like some big special webpages for theses builds, that get maintained and updated and not totatlly over exaggerated.
next thing would be, if anybody names his build GR100++ i want to see some proof, not a guy with paragon 2000 barely managing GR82 in 14 minutes after 3 attempts.
cant there be a common agreement that builds GR-lvl get named what the creator could achieve WITHOUT ANY PARAGON, (almost) no ancients, NO AUGMENTS, only mediocre gems (lvl 50). so they would at least be comparable. maybe pick the GR number which you could clear within 10 mins max.
srsly if a guy with paragon 1800 or sth does a lvl 80 rift, thats really NOTHING. thats just stripping on a 6pc set and NOTHING more. sth like this doesnt even qualify do be a build. oh yes sure, lets complete a set, ok alright, wouldnt ever think of that myself, lucky i can look this up.
no but srsly, instead of bragging how OP you build is, maybe some INTERESTING builds get posted, or what makes them special, for what can they be used to good effect and so on.
at least add all those alternative items for you build, then this would help ppl new to the class, so they get to know the items.
TL;DR:
i really would prefer if a the GR-LVL a guide claims in its name would relate to what an average player can achieve when stripping the items on freshly, so you get a feel what you can expect, instead bragging what the creator did achieve after years of grinding.
I think some of your ideas are really good in terms of the usefulness of this guides.
I for myself think it would be very nice to also get some tips on which mob types are easy and which i should avoid with a certain build. Most common builds are not that hard to think of, but in terms of mobs, i dont know every single ability of them, so it would be very nice to get more information on that in a guide.
Well, that mostly depends on your class and build you pick, but you should be able to clear ~85-90 grfit at 1100 paragon with any build. As a necro I did gr 102 at slightly over 1k paragon level, as you said lvl70 is far too low. You should be able to clear lvl70 almost right away as you get your 6p bonus with one or two extra multipliers.
ok assuming a few ancients and a few lvl70 caldesans, gr80 should be easy nowadays for speedfarming 5-7 minutes. if you are talking about maximum you can go, you can surely go higher than 90 with the right map/mobs.
i assume u know that the game plays quite differently, once you got lvl 70 and a 6piece class set. everything "below" is really just for fun and everybody should do what he wants. as for T13 and GR60+ (before the patch around GR85 was a soft limit for most, except you got rly deep and rat runs and stuff); now i would say if you push it enough almost every 6p set will get you at least to GR90.
anyway, what matters is only the affixes of the elites, the rest of the mobs are called trash. builds are either trash killers or elite hunters in most cases. if you are a melee class you want to avoid things like arcane enchantment and mortars are deadly for ranged classes. you will notice when you are at this point however.
you got 1100paragons in S16 but not higher than 70? i got like 850 and cracked 102 solo recently, how did you get those paragons? there should be plenty builds which you could probably push that. DH solo are pretty strong with their dps builds solo.
Did you even check leaderboards? NA server non-season Era 10 (previous) Rank 3 Barbarian cleared GR123 with Whirlwind in patch 2.6.1. In patch 2.6.4 this build much stronger. Before you make posts like this check everything and then judge someone who been here for almost 2 years. Have a good day.
most builds, even those with many likes, are often just very VERY generic 6pc-class-sets with mostly furnace, COE, focus/restraint or TP, maybe a unity, hellfire, nemesis or RorG. some use also a weapon/offhand set if there exists one. cant really get more generic than that, well thats the blizzard recipe for base of all builds. SOME however require at least 1-2 specific items, like HotA builds (gravel, bracers) or Talrashas (meteor: nilfurs,vizir).
while there can be some variations, the "best" build for each 6pc is often pretty clear and there are not too many options. so it would really be a nice thing if there were like some big special webpages for theses builds, that get maintained and updated and not totatlly over exaggerated.
next thing would be, if anybody names his build GR100++ i want to see some proof, not a guy with paragon 2000 barely managing GR82 in 14 minutes after 3 attempts.
cant there be a common agreement that builds GR-lvl get named what the creator could achieve WITHOUT ANY PARAGON, (almost) no ancients, NO AUGMENTS, only mediocre gems (lvl 50). so they would at least be comparable. maybe pick the GR number which you could clear within 10 mins max.
srsly if a guy with paragon 1800 or sth does a lvl 80 rift, thats really NOTHING. thats just stripping on a 6pc set and NOTHING more. sth like this doesnt even qualify do be a build. oh yes sure, lets complete a set, ok alright, wouldnt ever think of that myself, lucky i can look this up.
no but srsly, instead of bragging how OP you build is, maybe some INTERESTING builds get posted, or what makes them special, for what can they be used to good effect and so on.
at least add all those alternative items for you build, then this would help ppl new to the class, so they get to know the items.
TL;DR:
i really would prefer if a the GR-LVL a guide claims in its name would relate to what an average player can achieve when stripping the items on freshly, so you get a feel what you can expect, instead bragging what the creator did achieve after years of grinding.
Examples:
https://www.diablofans.com/builds/101902-wotw-whirlwind-gr120-season-16
At the time of writing nobody even has cracked more than barb 119, let alone with this build.
I think some of your ideas are really good in terms of the usefulness of this guides.
I for myself think it would be very nice to also get some tips on which mob types are easy and which i should avoid with a certain build. Most common builds are not that hard to think of, but in terms of mobs, i dont know every single ability of them, so it would be very nice to get more information on that in a guide.
Can anyone give advice on a rough sort of Grift a player in the 1100 paragon region should be able to handle?
because even with a few ancients and caldensaned items I still don't seem to get much better than early 70's in solo.
Going 100+ i'm certain is way beyond resonable for the raw items and paragon i have but 70 odd rifts seems too low.
Well, that mostly depends on your class and build you pick, but you should be able to clear ~85-90 grfit at 1100 paragon with any build. As a necro I did gr 102 at slightly over 1k paragon level, as you said lvl70 is far too low. You should be able to clear lvl70 almost right away as you get your 6p bonus with one or two extra multipliers.
ok assuming a few ancients and a few lvl70 caldesans, gr80 should be easy nowadays for speedfarming 5-7 minutes. if you are talking about maximum you can go, you can surely go higher than 90 with the right map/mobs.
@P0wn1sher:
about mob types:
i assume u know that the game plays quite differently, once you got lvl 70 and a 6piece class set. everything "below" is really just for fun and everybody should do what he wants. as for T13 and GR60+ (before the patch around GR85 was a soft limit for most, except you got rly deep and rat runs and stuff); now i would say if you push it enough almost every 6p set will get you at least to GR90.
anyway, what matters is only the affixes of the elites, the rest of the mobs are called trash. builds are either trash killers or elite hunters in most cases. if you are a melee class you want to avoid things like arcane enchantment and mortars are deadly for ranged classes. you will notice when you are at this point however.
@Jamesworkshop:
you got 1100paragons in S16 but not higher than 70? i got like 850 and cracked 102 solo recently, how did you get those paragons? there should be plenty builds which you could probably push that. DH solo are pretty strong with their dps builds solo.
Did you even check leaderboards? NA server non-season Era 10 (previous) Rank 3 Barbarian cleared GR123 with Whirlwind in patch 2.6.1. In patch 2.6.4 this build much stronger. Before you make posts like this check everything and then judge someone who been here for almost 2 years. Have a good day.
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