Vista Home Premium 64bit
Intel Core i7 Quad Processor 920
2.66GHz
8MB level 2 cache
6GB Tri Channel DDR3-1067 SDRAM
750GB, 7200RPM SATA
Radeon HD4850
512MB Video Memory
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Okay this is going to sound dumb but keep in mind I don't know very much, at all about computer specs. I'd like to know more though so if someone could enlighten me I would greatly appreciate it!
I have a crappy dell desktop thats several years old now, and since D2 was the only computer game I ever got into i haven't needed to upgrade. But now that D3 is coming out and it's going to have some beef graphics I'm gonna need to upgrade.
I want to buy a notebook that can handle this game. I know that the system requirements aren't out yet, but I'm just guessing on what I think I'll need to run this game flawless.
4GB Memory
*2.53GHz Dual Core Processor(6MB Cache, 1066MHz FSB)
512MB Video Memory
Hard Drive 160GB 7,200RPM (8MB Cache)
(Think I'll be good with these???)
Does a dual core processor mean that there are two processors running at 2.53Ghz????
And what are the '6mb Cache and 1066MHz FSB' for??
Oh, almost forgot, what about 32bit vs 64 bit Vista....Whats the difference in bit mean?
Thanks for any help!
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Okay this is going to sound dumb but keep in mind I don't know very much, at all about computer specs. I'd like to know more though so if someone could enlighten me I would greatly appreciate it!
I have a crappy dell desktop thats several years old now, and since D2 was the only computer game I ever got into i haven't needed to upgrade. But now that D3 is coming out and it's going to have some beef graphics I'm gonna need to upgrade.
I want to buy a notebook that can handle this game. I know that the system requirements aren't out yet, but I'm just guessing on what I think I'll need to run this game flawless.
4GB Memory
*2.53GHz Dual Core Processor(6MB Cache, 1066MHz FSB)
512MB Video Memory
Hard Drive 160GB 7,200RPM (8MB Cache)
(Think I'll be good with these???)
Does a dual core processor mean that there are two processors running at 2.53Ghz????
And what are the '6mb Cache and 1066MHz FSB' for??
Oh, almost forgot, what about 32bit vs 64 bit Vista....Whats the difference in bit mean?
Thanks for any help!
Processors basically, yes dualcore or quadcore procs are individual processor cores integrated into a single circuit housing unit (under one roof). Be aware multiple processors do not make the system faster, they simply can handle heavier work loads. Kind of like two horses pulling a plow are better than one.
The cache is L1 or L2 cache, in short processors need a certain amount of memory to buffer data being processed, the larger the cache the better the processor will perform. They put memory on processors because using main system memory (a.k.a. RAM sticks) is too slow. If there is one area to not skimp it is here, spend the money for the larger cache. (Think of memory and cache as the ability to hold a thought, do want Sponge Bob's friend Patrick ability to hold a thought or or Albert Einstein?)
The Front Side Bus (FSB) is the basically the speed of the motherboard itself and so the maximum speed all peripheral devices can interact with each other, again faster is better (it allways is), it is important because you can have a processor that runs at 4GHz internally and the FSB runs at 1033, the data exiting the 4 GHz processor is exiting at 1033 MHz. In computers the fastest connection is the slowest link. This is why it is a bad idea to put old crap in new computers.
32 bit vs. 64 bit pathways, intel based hardware (for the longest time) use to only be able to handle 32 bit software because the hardware was 32 bit. If you were to look at a single pathway on a motherboard and count all those dinky little lines, you would count exactly 32 or 64 lines, each line is a 1 bit pathway. When data leaves the processor, 32 or 64 bits leave on each little pathway at the same time. So a 64 bit system will have twice the capacity of a 32 bit system. It's just a wider highway. You can run your 64 bit Vista and if an application was written for an older 32bit version of Windows Vista will scale it back to run in 32 bit mode. Occasionally there are issues but for the most part you shouldn't notice.
Video card - for computer games it's important you have a decent video card, again more memory is better since games use the memory on the video card intensively to render the cool graphics we love to see, reasons are not too different as what I listed on the L1 and L2 cache.
Laptops in general are slower than most desktops (as a whole system) and they are typically not expandable so if you get one make sure it is what you really want because you basically are limited to adding system memory in it and a few other things. After that you are stuck with what you got, after you see the price for the few other things you don't really feel like spending it. Laptop parts cost more.
Hard drives, you didn't mention them but one important point on them as well, they to have a cache 8 MB or 16 MB these days typically, that is a buffer where data can be temporarily held while writing data to disk. Get the larger cache, it can seriously improve the overall system performance, a lot of people don't know or think about this. Frequently the hard drive is the bottle neck for a computer.
If you get a desktop, then I would recommend getting at least two drives, one primarily for your OS alone (you can of course use it for loose file storage) and the second for programs. The OS does enough reading and writing to sludge down your machine, if you can install applications on the second drive and make sure they use the second drive for temporary files, basically scratch disk use, your system will perform better overall. Partitions do little in this respect, they only help keep certain partitions isolated from others and can help keep part of the drive from becoming overly fragmented. If you get a laptop with two drives, well! Kudos to you!
System Memory it is best to get the amount of RAM you need up front, it's OK to add later but make sure you get the same size stick by the same vendor if at all possible. It will reduce interleaving issues and General Protection Fault (GPF) errors that can crop up using dissimilar memory.
Laptop Solid State Drive - if you get a laptop and get a solid state drive for fast boot purposes (along with a normal hard drive), the difference in boot time and application load times is night and day. I can't recommend one enough.
My descriptions are simplifications but basic truths to help you decide on a system, all components of a system are important because they must work with each other. So if you are looking at a system and want to save a 100 bucks because you don't think you need something, when it comes to laptops I say spend the extra 100 bucks now because you usually can't add it later and if you can you will hate the price tag.
When it comes to saving money on system, there is always to latest hot sexiness available for some big price and then there is the day old sexiness that use to be the bomb before that new thing came out. You will find that getting the day old is more than adequate for your needs with a desktop, laptops on the other hand you are better to spend now upfront if you think you need it. IF you want a standard 3 year warranty then stick with the big names Dell or HP.
Hope that helps
p.s. If you can afford it buy your OS, the OEM will clutter your machine with useless crap you don't want. If you end up with a factory OS install remember this to shut a lot of that crap off (in addition to uninstalling it).
Go to run and type msconfig and hit [enter] then navigate to the Startup tab and there will be a list of all the BS that autostarts, you can deselect the stuff you don't want or need to autostart and keep your system running hot and fast. Of course if you don't know what it is or can't identify it easliy, leave it alone.
Building a new PC, ordered all of the parts today.
Vista Home Premium 64bit
Intel Core 2 Quad Pro Q6600 @ 2.4GHz - going to overclock
Asus ATI Radeon HD 4870 512MB
Asus P5Q Intel P45 Motherboard
4GB Corsair RAM
Antec 300 Case
OCZ 600w PSU
500GB HD
Pioneer DvD optical Drive
You won't overclock much on the stock cooler, and by the way, what's the Pro edition?
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You won't overclock much on the stock cooler, and by the way, what's the Pro edition?
I'll go out on a limb and say Pro should have a 'c' on the end for Proc.
On a side note it will interesting to see if the new Intel Xeon 7400 series 6-core finds it's way down to the home gaming world any time in the future.
Euh.. plz can anyone explain to me the Overclocking thing (for GC and Proc) , I tried to read that on some sites but that was freakin' hard to understand ^^
And for GC besides memory and that Pixel Shader n Vertex Shader version, do I need to care about the hz?
Did the fan help better the Overclocking process?
Thx for your help =)
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It's only worth it if you are into first person shooter games mostly where action is seriously heavy. You won't need it for D3. Personally I think Over Clocking is Over Rated, I've never had any problems with my system locking up or performing badly during first person gaming. I think it's more of a 'my balls are bigger than your balls' thing. One thing leads to another first it's OC'ing, then it's big fans, then it's liquid cooling, and in the end your spending way too much money, you could practically just go buy the latest and greatest god like system for the money you will throw at it.
Overclocking is indeed overrated. With my RAM, simple quad core processor, and 8800 GTX card, I run Crysis at maximum settings without a problem, bar the glitching once every 10 minutes, for one second, which doesn't even bother me. I don't play FPS games that much, aside from maybe Call of Duty, which runs on much shittier PCs than mine. 6 cores, highend Quad Cores, any more than 4G of RAM, and any card higher than an 8800 GTX/HD4870 is a waste of cash.
You see, you have a quad core processor, hence the extra speed. I have a Core 2 Duo, and while I don't see a boost in games, I definitely see a boost in WinRAR, encoding subtitles into movies, and those programs like Photoshop and FruityLoops after overclocking.
Edit: The slowest quad core will see a performance boost with overclocking in a processor-reliant game that doesn't support multiple cores.
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The difference between dual core and a quad core is its ability to handle heavier work loads. They all run at the same speed, but instead of four horses pulling the processor plow, you have 2 and you are working those poor beasts to death (aar aar aar I made a funny).
Right you are for those applications you will see better performance because the main proc is doing the bulk of the work, a lot of people though think over clocking the main system proc is going to help in games but it doesn’t (as you noted) work nearly as hard as the graphic card’s proc, that is what they need to over clock. Personally I would rather fork up the extra bread for a better card rather than go to the extra effort to drop mad cooling in the system.
BTW if you want get even better performance with applications that use scratch disks (such as your photoshop example) or where heavy disk write IOPS are required, get a second disk with 16MB write cache or better (internal or external) and set that to be your scratch disk or target disk. That way the drive can be dedicated to apps write tasks while your C:\ drive is freed up to handle OS req’s and file paging writes.
Apologies if I am a wordy bastard, taught this stuff, can't seem to help myself on posting boards.
Overclocking is indeed overrated. With my RAM, simple quad core processor, and 8800 GTX card, I run Crysis at maximum settings without a problem, bar the glitching once every 10 minutes, for one second, which doesn't even bother me. I don't play FPS games that much, aside from maybe Call of Duty, which runs on much shittier PCs than mine. 6 cores, highend Quad Cores, any more than 4G of RAM, and any card higher than an 8800 GTX/HD4870 is a waste of cash.
Crysis doesn't really see much advantage from single, dual or quad, its mainly the speed its running at for that game that determines how smooth it will run, I seen someone overclock a P4 to ludicrous speeds with 2GB and a 8800GTX and be able to play the game at max it little to no hiccups.
You'll see the difference specially with overclocks in applications but not generally in games at the moment.
Main:
Chassis: Antec Sonata Piano II
Power: Zalman ZM600-HP (600W)
Screen1: Samsung SyncMaster 226BW (22")
Screen2: Benq FP937s (19")
OS: Windows Vista Business Edition 64-Bit
Optical Drive: Some LG basic dvd-rw burning
HDD1: Seagate Barracuda 320GB Sata II (this one just fried so I'm planning to get new .. probably some SSD for the OS)
HDD2: Seagate Barracuda 200GB Sata I
HDD3: Samsung Spinpoint 500GB Sata II
CPU: Core 2 Duo E6600 @3.0Ghz
GPU: nVidia Geforce 8800 GTS 320MB
RAM: 4x 1GB Kingston DDR2 ValueRam (800Mhz)
Motherboard: Asus P5K-E
Fun and server:
This computer was going to garbage(GF's sister was throwing it away) but I took it and changed 2 parts and got it working and made something out of it for fun.
Chassis: some Fujitsu Siemens default crap
Screen: some Fujitsu Siemens 19" flat
CPU: Amd Athlon XP 2800+
RAM: 2x 512MB Apacer DDR1(400Mhz)
HDD: cant even remember, some 160GB
Motherboard: can't remember either
GPU: Ati Radeon 9800SE
OS: Debian Linux 4.0
Yes technically that is true and anyone trying to use it in an A+ exam would fail the test but a lot of people in the field loosely refer to the processor as a proc as a matter of conversation. Kind of like there ain't no word such as ain't but people still say it anyways. I've ordered a lot of server room hardware over the years and never had anyone not know what I was saying when specifying how many proc's I wanted on a server.
thats not officially what it is called. its just the SLACR/G0 stepping which lowers the amount of voltage you need to run the cpu, meaning better overclocks and a cooler temperature at the same time
I hope no one minds but I had to to share a new Dell PowerEdge R900, 4x X7460 Xeon Six Cores, 2.67GHz beasty toy we got in today in at the office (for crunching SQL databases). It's a monster so it's in theme with Diablo, I guess I was kind of hoping to take it home and make it a gaming box or something *cough* no such luck on that $20,000 bonus this time around. This bad boy is pretty much tapped out except the memory which we filled only to half capacity at 64GB. Paging files are supposed to be a minimum 1 and 1/2 times the memory, so the initial paging file will 96 GB.
What 24 processors look like in Windows (4x6 cores)
(The 6 core proc's have only been on the Dell's for about 3 months)
I didn't measure but the proc's has to be at least 4" high, the whole box is 3U's high (1.75" per U in a rack) 5.25"
Even though we got 15,000rpm drives on the box, it will get 3.5 TB on the SAN, so we got a Qlogic 2460 4GB Optical Fiber Channel HBA to connect up the big box of drives. The R900's are getting marketed as Dell's virtualization machines with Hyper-V (prefer VMWare), so it has 4 integrated 1GB Ethernet NICS and Dell hardware based remote access console DRAC.
DRAC is pretty cool (so is HP's ILO) because it lets you do everything remotely like you are standing at the keyboard through a web interface, boot, see the POST, remote power, remote media etc. Here is short video I shot with the camera
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Processor: 2.4 Intel Dual Core
Memory: 4GB Ram
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce 9400M
Hard Drive: 250 GB
Intel Core i7 Quad Processor 920
2.66GHz
8MB level 2 cache
6GB Tri Channel DDR3-1067 SDRAM
750GB, 7200RPM SATA
Radeon HD4850
512MB Video Memory
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I have a crappy dell desktop thats several years old now, and since D2 was the only computer game I ever got into i haven't needed to upgrade. But now that D3 is coming out and it's going to have some beef graphics I'm gonna need to upgrade.
I want to buy a notebook that can handle this game. I know that the system requirements aren't out yet, but I'm just guessing on what I think I'll need to run this game flawless.
4GB Memory
*2.53GHz Dual Core Processor(6MB Cache, 1066MHz FSB)
512MB Video Memory
Hard Drive 160GB 7,200RPM (8MB Cache)
(Think I'll be good with these???)
Does a dual core processor mean that there are two processors running at 2.53Ghz????
And what are the '6mb Cache and 1066MHz FSB' for??
Oh, almost forgot, what about 32bit vs 64 bit Vista....Whats the difference in bit mean?
Thanks for any help!
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Processors basically, yes dualcore or quadcore procs are individual processor cores integrated into a single circuit housing unit (under one roof). Be aware multiple processors do not make the system faster, they simply can handle heavier work loads. Kind of like two horses pulling a plow are better than one.
The cache is L1 or L2 cache, in short processors need a certain amount of memory to buffer data being processed, the larger the cache the better the processor will perform. They put memory on processors because using main system memory (a.k.a. RAM sticks) is too slow. If there is one area to not skimp it is here, spend the money for the larger cache. (Think of memory and cache as the ability to hold a thought, do want Sponge Bob's friend Patrick ability to hold a thought or or Albert Einstein?)
The Front Side Bus (FSB) is the basically the speed of the motherboard itself and so the maximum speed all peripheral devices can interact with each other, again faster is better (it allways is), it is important because you can have a processor that runs at 4GHz internally and the FSB runs at 1033, the data exiting the 4 GHz processor is exiting at 1033 MHz. In computers the fastest connection is the slowest link. This is why it is a bad idea to put old crap in new computers.
32 bit vs. 64 bit pathways, intel based hardware (for the longest time) use to only be able to handle 32 bit software because the hardware was 32 bit. If you were to look at a single pathway on a motherboard and count all those dinky little lines, you would count exactly 32 or 64 lines, each line is a 1 bit pathway. When data leaves the processor, 32 or 64 bits leave on each little pathway at the same time. So a 64 bit system will have twice the capacity of a 32 bit system. It's just a wider highway. You can run your 64 bit Vista and if an application was written for an older 32bit version of Windows Vista will scale it back to run in 32 bit mode. Occasionally there are issues but for the most part you shouldn't notice.
Video card - for computer games it's important you have a decent video card, again more memory is better since games use the memory on the video card intensively to render the cool graphics we love to see, reasons are not too different as what I listed on the L1 and L2 cache.
Laptops in general are slower than most desktops (as a whole system) and they are typically not expandable so if you get one make sure it is what you really want because you basically are limited to adding system memory in it and a few other things. After that you are stuck with what you got, after you see the price for the few other things you don't really feel like spending it. Laptop parts cost more.
Hard drives, you didn't mention them but one important point on them as well, they to have a cache 8 MB or 16 MB these days typically, that is a buffer where data can be temporarily held while writing data to disk. Get the larger cache, it can seriously improve the overall system performance, a lot of people don't know or think about this. Frequently the hard drive is the bottle neck for a computer.
If you get a desktop, then I would recommend getting at least two drives, one primarily for your OS alone (you can of course use it for loose file storage) and the second for programs. The OS does enough reading and writing to sludge down your machine, if you can install applications on the second drive and make sure they use the second drive for temporary files, basically scratch disk use, your system will perform better overall. Partitions do little in this respect, they only help keep certain partitions isolated from others and can help keep part of the drive from becoming overly fragmented. If you get a laptop with two drives, well! Kudos to you!
System Memory it is best to get the amount of RAM you need up front, it's OK to add later but make sure you get the same size stick by the same vendor if at all possible. It will reduce interleaving issues and General Protection Fault (GPF) errors that can crop up using dissimilar memory.
Laptop Solid State Drive - if you get a laptop and get a solid state drive for fast boot purposes (along with a normal hard drive), the difference in boot time and application load times is night and day. I can't recommend one enough.
My descriptions are simplifications but basic truths to help you decide on a system, all components of a system are important because they must work with each other. So if you are looking at a system and want to save a 100 bucks because you don't think you need something, when it comes to laptops I say spend the extra 100 bucks now because you usually can't add it later and if you can you will hate the price tag.
When it comes to saving money on system, there is always to latest hot sexiness available for some big price and then there is the day old sexiness that use to be the bomb before that new thing came out. You will find that getting the day old is more than adequate for your needs with a desktop, laptops on the other hand you are better to spend now upfront if you think you need it. IF you want a standard 3 year warranty then stick with the big names Dell or HP.
Hope that helps
p.s. If you can afford it buy your OS, the OEM will clutter your machine with useless crap you don't want. If you end up with a factory OS install remember this to shut a lot of that crap off (in addition to uninstalling it).
Go to run and type msconfig and hit [enter] then navigate to the Startup tab and there will be a list of all the BS that autostarts, you can deselect the stuff you don't want or need to autostart and keep your system running hot and fast. Of course if you don't know what it is or can't identify it easliy, leave it alone.
Intel Core 2 T9300
3 gigs Ram
GForce 9500m GS 512 MB
Think its gonna be ok for D3
You won't overclock much on the stock cooler, and by the way, what's the Pro edition?
It's the decisions you make when you have no time to make them that define who you are.
I'll go out on a limb and say Pro should have a 'c' on the end for Proc.
On a side note it will interesting to see if the new Intel Xeon 7400 series 6-core finds it's way down to the home gaming world any time in the future.
And for GC besides memory and that Pixel Shader n Vertex Shader version, do I need to care about the hz?
Did the fan help better the Overclocking process?
Thx for your help =)
" And So our Tale ends, Bruenor BattleHammer.. In battle, as it should" -Drizzt Do'Urden -Ice Wind Dale-
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/overclock-graphics-card,1916.html
...and this site has some nice info on it as well
http://www.cluboc.net/
It's only worth it if you are into first person shooter games mostly where action is seriously heavy. You won't need it for D3. Personally I think Over Clocking is Over Rated, I've never had any problems with my system locking up or performing badly during first person gaming. I think it's more of a 'my balls are bigger than your balls' thing. One thing leads to another first it's OC'ing, then it's big fans, then it's liquid cooling, and in the end your spending way too much money, you could practically just go buy the latest and greatest god like system for the money you will throw at it.
Rise and rise again, until lambs become lions
Edit: The slowest quad core will see a performance boost with overclocking in a processor-reliant game that doesn't support multiple cores.
It's the decisions you make when you have no time to make them that define who you are.
Right you are for those applications you will see better performance because the main proc is doing the bulk of the work, a lot of people though think over clocking the main system proc is going to help in games but it doesn’t (as you noted) work nearly as hard as the graphic card’s proc, that is what they need to over clock. Personally I would rather fork up the extra bread for a better card rather than go to the extra effort to drop mad cooling in the system.
BTW if you want get even better performance with applications that use scratch disks (such as your photoshop example) or where heavy disk write IOPS are required, get a second disk with 16MB write cache or better (internal or external) and set that to be your scratch disk or target disk. That way the drive can be dedicated to apps write tasks while your C:\ drive is freed up to handle OS req’s and file paging writes.
Apologies if I am a wordy bastard, taught this stuff, can't seem to help myself on posting boards.
Crysis doesn't really see much advantage from single, dual or quad, its mainly the speed its running at for that game that determines how smooth it will run, I seen someone overclock a P4 to ludicrous speeds with 2GB and a 8800GTX and be able to play the game at max it little to no hiccups.
You'll see the difference specially with overclocks in applications but not generally in games at the moment.
Chassis: Antec Sonata Piano II
Power: Zalman ZM600-HP (600W)
Screen1: Samsung SyncMaster 226BW (22")
Screen2: Benq FP937s (19")
OS: Windows Vista Business Edition 64-Bit
Optical Drive: Some LG basic dvd-rw burning
HDD1: Seagate Barracuda 320GB Sata II (this one just fried so I'm planning to get new .. probably some SSD for the OS)
HDD2: Seagate Barracuda 200GB Sata I
HDD3: Samsung Spinpoint 500GB Sata II
CPU: Core 2 Duo E6600 @3.0Ghz
GPU: nVidia Geforce 8800 GTS 320MB
RAM: 4x 1GB Kingston DDR2 ValueRam (800Mhz)
Motherboard: Asus P5K-E
Fun and server:
This computer was going to garbage(GF's sister was throwing it away) but I took it and changed 2 parts and got it working and made something out of it for fun.
Chassis: some Fujitsu Siemens default crap
Screen: some Fujitsu Siemens 19" flat
CPU: Amd Athlon XP 2800+
RAM: 2x 512MB Apacer DDR1(400Mhz)
HDD: cant even remember, some 160GB
Motherboard: can't remember either
GPU: Ati Radeon 9800SE
OS: Debian Linux 4.0
RIP: Demon Hunter: lvl 50 | Barb: lvl 60 (plvl 5) | Monk: lvl12 & lvl70 (plvl 200)
abbreviations:
processor= cpu
graphics card= gpu
power supply= psu
motherboard= mobo
ram/memory=ram
hard drive= HDD
operating system= os
just to clear that up as i noticed heaps of people posting proc
lol that was bugging me also
What 24 processors look like in Windows (4x6 cores)
(The 6 core proc's have only been on the Dell's for about 3 months)
I didn't measure but the proc's has to be at least 4" high, the whole box is 3U's high (1.75" per U in a rack) 5.25"
Even though we got 15,000rpm drives on the box, it will get 3.5 TB on the SAN, so we got a Qlogic 2460 4GB Optical Fiber Channel HBA to connect up the big box of drives. The R900's are getting marketed as Dell's virtualization machines with Hyper-V (prefer VMWare), so it has 4 integrated 1GB Ethernet NICS and Dell hardware based remote access console DRAC.
DRAC is pretty cool (so is HP's ILO) because it lets you do everything remotely like you are standing at the keyboard through a web interface, boot, see the POST, remote power, remote media etc.
Here is short video I shot with the camera