Okay in the first two games he was the big badass demon lord of Hell, but don’t you think Diablo deserves to be more than that. He is the lord of Terror for crying out loud, he should do more than just looking scary, he should be playing with our fears to make us kneel before him thus giving us a real reason to actually fear him.
Now that every characters have their own back-story why not having Diablo behaving differently for every class, using the worst fears of your character against him pretty much like Kabraxis did in the Black Road with Darrick and the Lord of Bramwell
In the Sin War, Knaak breathed some life in Diablo giving us some hints as to what Blizz is planning to make him look like in D3
MINI SPOILERS WARNING
Here’s some extracts from a conversation between Inarius and Diablo starting at p.148 of The Veiled Prophet
Inarius: Your little games will not work on me, demon! You forget with whom you deal!
Diablo: I deal with a traitor, a liar, and a murderer. It’s almost like dealing with one of my brothers.
The Shadow moved. Within it, a figure vaguely coalesced.
Inarius showed no sign of anxiety when that figure became another winged warrior he knew so well. “You are not Tyrael, and I am not afraid of him.”
Are you not? Then why do I resemble him?
…Now he was a human… Uldyssian ul-Diomed.
…
Inarius: You have some reason for approaching me. Do so without the theatrics!
…The demon grew less distinct and certainly far less human. He became as much imagination as substance…
…it was the face that most stirred the fears within, for it kept shifting… A more reptilian face then appeared, feminine and much like that of another demon Inarius had known… vanished a moment later to be replaced again by that of the other angel… the demon laughed and changed again. Now empty shadow greeted Inarius… disturbed him more than any of his visitor’s other forms.
Is this better, oh Prophet?
So, what kind of personality do you think Diablo should have in D3?
i think i need to get my hands on the books, the parts posted in the forums are quite interesting and they're bloody unavailiable in Greece!
in my mind i keep Mephisto as the mastermind, Diablo as the more cunning and Baal as the brute force of the Three (without having read any of the books).
Diablo has evolved since D2 was released, as we can see have happened in all of Blizzard's franchises over the last few years, beginning with WoW. I do not expect Diablo to remain as he was in D2, The Sin War was definately an indicator of what will come in D3.
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i think i need to get my hands on the books, the parts posted in the forums are quite interesting and they're bloody unavailiable in Greece!
I may be stating the obvious, but have you checked amazon.co.uk? That's where I get mine from, because you sure as hell can't find them in a regular bookstore here in Sweden.
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in my mind i keep Mephisto as the mastermind, Diablo as the more cunning and Baal as the brute force of the Three (without having read any of the books).
Well that's an endless debate. I think it's safe to say however that, for almost all intents and purposes, they are equal in strength and intellect.
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I haven't had the privilege to read those books yet. But from that little scene....it seems to me like Diablo does in-fact enjoy playing with his victims fears. Which has not been shown in any of the games. It's always been this big red, horned demon with immense strength, and magical power. He certainly looked like terror, but he never really acted like it.
I think it might be that he seems to have the mentality that he is an all powerful demon lord, and that he just goes about smashing things in D1 & D2, because he facing mere mortals.
From that scene though, we can divulge a few things about Diablo though, one, he does have the power to tap peoples fears, and two; He's seems to have the ability to change his physical appearance. Also it seems that he is certainly more cunning and insidious than any of his brothers.
Look at how the three themselves freed themselves from the Soul Stones. His two brothers were simply given a vessel in which to take & corrupt. Sure, Mephisto had fun with it and totally destroyed the Zakarum religion, but Diablo had nothing.
He was buried deep, deep beneath the the earth, clearly farther than either of his two brothers, with nothing but empty halls, and broken stairwells...trapped within his stone. Yet despite that, Diablo was easily able to not only corrupt his Soul Stone, but was able to reach his will, his presence all the way up through the labyrinth, and although he was to weak from his imprisonment to take control of Leoric, he fooled the Archbishop into bringing the Prince to become his Vessel.
That has to take one Hell of a lot of some dark, evil, insidious power, and thought to do so.
Although I don't think Diablo is overall more powerful than either of his brothers, he is certainly far more than just this big red demon we see in the first two games, and I really hope they bring his more cunning side into the picture for Diablo 3(provided he is in D3 at all)
Looking at Diablo and Mephisto, I can see both of them being quite cunning. They are both Lord's of aspects that can be used to manipulate, hatred and terror. Diablo would use his victems fears, whilst Mephisto would be using their hatreds to turn his enemies against eachother. I dunno about Baal. I see him as more of the random distruction type, although he did fool Marius.
I would love to see the prime evils personalities more in D3. Something like this
"Diablo created a cloud of Terror and sending it across the World of Sanctuary. At first it was unnoticed but people started having Nightmares and people belived there worse fears were reality. The cloud drifted to a new location."
"Mephisto sent a cloud of Hatred over the same city that the cloud of Terror was on and soon people could not control there anger and hatred tword each other and war erupted in the city."
"Baal sent a cloud of Destruction over that same city and from the cloud raged Twisters sucking up and riping people apart finally the whole city collapsed on itself." The three clouds moved on getting bigger and expanding soon it will touch all of sanctuary. One could say when the last cloud came people were still fighting each other. But if you look at all the bodies you will find not a single body of a child, for they will later be taken by the three evils to become slaves of hell.
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Okay, from what I've read in this post the general gaming population here thinks his personality was never really portrayed.
I beg to differ.
First of all both gamestories were told from a character's point of view. Like Marius in D2.
(Now here is something where we can see what R.AKnaaks/blizzards ideas about Mr.D stem from)
At the end of Act I in D2, Marius had been going through hell. Almost literally. All those dreams of demons and fire and terror (eventually driving him into a sanitarium), had taken it's toll on him.
And the night before the wanderer and marius entered Lut Gholein, Marius dreamt of Baal and woke up in a shudder. To which Mr.D said as he looked into the flames:
"Now you know what I seek Marius... This is my brother"
Right there is proof that Mr.D understood/implanted the terror in Marius' dreams, and used it to fulfil his goals.
Mindless bone-crushing demon? Not really!
**/end of being serious!**
Right there is proof that Mr.D understood/implanted the terror in Marius' dreams, and used it to fulfil his goals.
Mindless bone-crushing demon? Not really!
**/end of being serious!**
That's one sentence. However, one image says more than a thousand words or so they say, so I guess there's truth to what you're saying. However, that's still not very much of Diablo's personality, more of his goals and ambitions. Which would be part of his personality, but still far from a total image.
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The problem is it's very hard to have a bigass demon plotting in what is basically a hack'n'slash game. Let's face it, NONE of the brothers really did anything truly cunning in any of the games except possibly when Baal tricks Marius into giving him the soulstone.
In Diablo I, it's basically just bashing your way through hordes of freaks and demons to get to Diablo while he sacrifices Albrecht to manifest again.
In Diablo II, you race Diablo to his brothers through even bigger hordes of freaks and demons. Diablo wins, you kill Mephisto, go to hell, kill Diablo, come back and try to stop Baal corrupting the Worldstone.
Nothing really cunning is done by ANY of them. It's just pure demonic power and a bit of corruption here and there.
I'm not just talking about reflecting Diablo's personality in the events during the game. I'm also talking about applying the lore to the gameplay.
Like instead of just fighting Diablo, what if sometimes he turned into shadows and disappeared making the room where you're fighting him very dark, and then class specific monsters start spawning from everywhere.
Like if you're a Sorceress you could get attacked by monsters with immunes or very high resistance, or if you're a paladin you could be turned into an undead (crippling you somehow) and have to fight another paladin.
You see, just simple things like that could give Diablo the cunning personality he deserves without players necessarily having to read all the lore stuff or even watch the cinematics (though why you wouldn't watch them goes my ken :P).
you kill his brother, i don't really think Diablo will be thinking of you as a fly
you kill both his brothers, i don't really think Baal will be thinking of you as a fly
it is also very doubtful that the High Heavens could care less what the Three do on Sanctuary......every step of the way, Tyrael was totally unsupported by Heaven. He got the soulstones, imprisoned the Brothers in them (with the help of the Horadrim), he knew Diablo was going to free Baal so he was waiting in the tomb with no evidence of other angels present, he is there when Diablo is gathering his armies for invasion and he knows that Baal is going for the Worldstone. The whole time, the only angel we see actually doing anything is Tyrael (one angel is just floating there guarding the gates to Diablo's Sanctuary with monsters rampaging all over the place, he's doing a great job). It seems that the High Heavens simply couldn't care less about Sanctuary. We have Baal marching a massive army on the Worldstone - he gets inside the Worldstone keep and Heaven sits back and watches.
Heaven would not benefit, as the Nephalem are far more powerful than angels and demons, being hybrids with the powers of both. It was an angel (Inarius) that created the Worldstone in the first place to stop the Nephalem growing strong enough to destroy both Heaven and Hell.
I truly did enjoy the light that was shed on Diablo's persona in The Sin War books. It really would be a treat if they'd incorporate that persona into the game somehow. A bit of the personas of the rest of the demons as well. Perhaps an angel or two, too...
There is also a small chance that Diablo says "The smell of Life surrounds me."
It's rare, or at least it was, it may have been patch out, or removed prior to release. Several other characters had lines of dialog that we didn't hear, but if you have a MPQ editor you can hear them.
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I don't think Diablo really see humanity as flies but rather as a bunch of idiots who aren't aware of their true power and who don't know what to do with it. They're more to him like crops ready to be harvested.
Humanity is the chance for the Three to acquire enough power to destroy the High Heavens once and for all thus allowing them to destroy all that has ever existed. Everything that we went through before in D1 and D2 was just a mere test of strength.
what does that mean when he says to an angel (even one as Inarius) that he is a murderer?
Angels are all about order and discipline both of which inevitably require sacrifices and in the case of Inarius, well it requires a lot of sacrifices. You know like killing everyone until the problem resolves itself...
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Now that every characters have their own back-story why not having Diablo behaving differently for every class, using the worst fears of your character against him pretty much like Kabraxis did in the Black Road with Darrick and the Lord of Bramwell
In the Sin War, Knaak breathed some life in Diablo giving us some hints as to what Blizz is planning to make him look like in D3
MINI SPOILERS WARNING
Here’s some extracts from a conversation between Inarius and Diablo starting at p.148 of The Veiled Prophet
So, what kind of personality do you think Diablo should have in D3?
He's not particularly portrayed as dumb but bland. Doesn't speak much and when he does, it's something pretty cliche. (even if it was cool)
I'd like them to show more of his cunning side like in the novel.
I think Mephisto is more of the mastermind.
Which is kind of weird.
Baal is portrayed as the mastermind in D2. In the books I think it shows Mephisto more as the mastermind.
In the game Diablo is just a hulking brute. In the books Diablo is pretty sinister and cunning.
in my mind i keep Mephisto as the mastermind, Diablo as the more cunning and Baal as the brute force of the Three (without having read any of the books).
It's strange I can't stand reading books but I enjoy reading ABOUT them, and even direct quotes from them.
I may be stating the obvious, but have you checked amazon.co.uk? That's where I get mine from, because you sure as hell can't find them in a regular bookstore here in Sweden.
Well that's an endless debate. I think it's safe to say however that, for almost all intents and purposes, they are equal in strength and intellect.
I think it might be that he seems to have the mentality that he is an all powerful demon lord, and that he just goes about smashing things in D1 & D2, because he facing mere mortals.
From that scene though, we can divulge a few things about Diablo though, one, he does have the power to tap peoples fears, and two; He's seems to have the ability to change his physical appearance. Also it seems that he is certainly more cunning and insidious than any of his brothers.
Look at how the three themselves freed themselves from the Soul Stones. His two brothers were simply given a vessel in which to take & corrupt. Sure, Mephisto had fun with it and totally destroyed the Zakarum religion, but Diablo had nothing.
He was buried deep, deep beneath the the earth, clearly farther than either of his two brothers, with nothing but empty halls, and broken stairwells...trapped within his stone. Yet despite that, Diablo was easily able to not only corrupt his Soul Stone, but was able to reach his will, his presence all the way up through the labyrinth, and although he was to weak from his imprisonment to take control of Leoric, he fooled the Archbishop into bringing the Prince to become his Vessel.
That has to take one Hell of a lot of some dark, evil, insidious power, and thought to do so.
Although I don't think Diablo is overall more powerful than either of his brothers, he is certainly far more than just this big red demon we see in the first two games, and I really hope they bring his more cunning side into the picture for Diablo 3(provided he is in D3 at all)
"Diablo created a cloud of Terror and sending it across the World of Sanctuary. At first it was unnoticed but people started having Nightmares and people belived there worse fears were reality. The cloud drifted to a new location."
"Mephisto sent a cloud of Hatred over the same city that the cloud of Terror was on and soon people could not control there anger and hatred tword each other and war erupted in the city."
"Baal sent a cloud of Destruction over that same city and from the cloud raged Twisters sucking up and riping people apart finally the whole city collapsed on itself." The three clouds moved on getting bigger and expanding soon it will touch all of sanctuary. One could say when the last cloud came people were still fighting each other. But if you look at all the bodies you will find not a single body of a child, for they will later be taken by the three evils to become slaves of hell.
If you want to arrange it
This world you can change it
If we could somehow make this
Christmas thing last
By helping a neighbor
Or even a stranger
And to know who needs help
You need only just ask
I beg to differ.
First of all both gamestories were told from a character's point of view. Like Marius in D2.
(Now here is something where we can see what R.AKnaaks/blizzards ideas about Mr.D stem from)
At the end of Act I in D2, Marius had been going through hell. Almost literally. All those dreams of demons and fire and terror (eventually driving him into a sanitarium), had taken it's toll on him.
And the night before the wanderer and marius entered Lut Gholein, Marius dreamt of Baal and woke up in a shudder. To which Mr.D said as he looked into the flames:
"Now you know what I seek Marius... This is my brother"
Right there is proof that Mr.D understood/implanted the terror in Marius' dreams, and used it to fulfil his goals.
Mindless bone-crushing demon? Not really!
**/end of being serious!**
In Diablo I, it's basically just bashing your way through hordes of freaks and demons to get to Diablo while he sacrifices Albrecht to manifest again.
In Diablo II, you race Diablo to his brothers through even bigger hordes of freaks and demons. Diablo wins, you kill Mephisto, go to hell, kill Diablo, come back and try to stop Baal corrupting the Worldstone.
Nothing really cunning is done by ANY of them. It's just pure demonic power and a bit of corruption here and there.
Like instead of just fighting Diablo, what if sometimes he turned into shadows and disappeared making the room where you're fighting him very dark, and then class specific monsters start spawning from everywhere.
Like if you're a Sorceress you could get attacked by monsters with immunes or very high resistance, or if you're a paladin you could be turned into an undead (crippling you somehow) and have to fight another paladin.
You see, just simple things like that could give Diablo the cunning personality he deserves without players necessarily having to read all the lore stuff or even watch the cinematics (though why you wouldn't watch them goes my ken :P).
you kill his brother, i don't really think Diablo will be thinking of you as a fly
you kill both his brothers, i don't really think Baal will be thinking of you as a fly
it is also very doubtful that the High Heavens could care less what the Three do on Sanctuary......every step of the way, Tyrael was totally unsupported by Heaven. He got the soulstones, imprisoned the Brothers in them (with the help of the Horadrim), he knew Diablo was going to free Baal so he was waiting in the tomb with no evidence of other angels present, he is there when Diablo is gathering his armies for invasion and he knows that Baal is going for the Worldstone. The whole time, the only angel we see actually doing anything is Tyrael (one angel is just floating there guarding the gates to Diablo's Sanctuary with monsters rampaging all over the place, he's doing a great job). It seems that the High Heavens simply couldn't care less about Sanctuary. We have Baal marching a massive army on the Worldstone - he gets inside the Worldstone keep and Heaven sits back and watches.
And your point is???
It's rare, or at least it was, it may have been patch out, or removed prior to release. Several other characters had lines of dialog that we didn't hear, but if you have a MPQ editor you can hear them.
Humanity is the chance for the Three to acquire enough power to destroy the High Heavens once and for all thus allowing them to destroy all that has ever existed. Everything that we went through before in D1 and D2 was just a mere test of strength.
The real challenge still awaits ahead...
Angels are all about order and discipline both of which inevitably require sacrifices and in the case of Inarius, well it requires a lot of sacrifices. You know like killing everyone until the problem resolves itself...