So according new info they nerfed lamentation belt reduced 200% multiplier to 0. What is 66% nerf to the build probably arrouns 7-9 tiers.
They tought they overshot whit the buffs... Like wtf the build still wasn't more powerful then necro or wizard but ok.
Now according new info they buffed crusader new set to insane lvls damage but well survival sucks.
What u think about that ? Don't tell me the nerf to barbarian was deserved ur just ignorant then. w´Wizard and necro were supreme. and even whit theyr nerfs they still 2 best classes ingame even whitout barb ww nerf they would of been better.
We have no final patchnotes yet. So we don't know if the nerf will go live, or maybe they will reduce it to 100%, maybe they will restore it. At this point it's all just speculation.
Shame, but I personally think the nerf is more due to the fact WW causes alot of server issues/lag, and if everyone is playing it I'd imagine that issue would be alot worse.
I'll be starting with Barb this season either way, only usually bother with Gr100 solo and the Journey these days, Rat xp meta ruined all class leader board meaning to anyone that doesn't run them 24/7
Sadly yeah . And keep in mind guys i am talking about competive gameplay here . For casual sunday player evreything works because they don't care about being competive :). I truely hope they revert the nerf but knowing blizzard and theyr love towards nerfs ... Let's hope for the best i guess.
I care about being competitive...for the first weekend of the season, after that Rats pile on so much xp trying to keep up just stops being fun to me.
Doubt they will ever make anything better then Necros either as for every account they ban for botting they not only have to rebuy the game but also the Necro each time, too much money to lose I guess haha
I care about being competitive...for the first weekend of the season, after that Rats pile on so much xp trying to keep up just stops being fun to me.
Doubt they will ever make anything better then Necros either as for every account they ban for botting they not only have to rebuy the game but also the Necro each time, too much money to lose I guess haha
Doubt they will ever make anything better then Necros either as for every account they ban for botting they not only have to rebuy the game but also the Necro each time, too much money to lose I guess haha
You say that like they actually ban bots. When was the last time they did that? 5 seasons ago? 10? 15?
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I think the most infuriating part of it all is that it was all based on a set of perfect scenarios. The likelihood of full primals in a live scenario is exceedingly minimal, even on a non seasonal character. But I guess having a build rocking full best in slot items, fully augmented with high level gem augments, and 10.5k paragon managing GR levels that other classes fairly easily obtain in significantly less gear is pretty worthy of a nerf. Plus barbs have zDPS, amirite?
Not true. The rend version used no area damage, and low attack speed. It was the least stressful build for the server d3 have seen ww wise. I do believe even seismic slam might be on par or worse right now. Now we have to get creative use casting, area damage, maybe even ww damage to deal enough dmg, so this way we will have server issues. Not to mention crusaders. They might dmg with heavens fury but there will be all that fist of heavens cast with area damage on the gear.
Guys after the buffs to rend from the setbonus and the nerfs to bazooka and necro thorns, they would have created another abonination 5-10rifts higher than the BEST performing builds of most classes.
From PTR feedback rend was much too high and started to easily clear 130+ rifts without any issue (and was alresdy beating 140+ rifts on ptr).
The rend buffs via set bonus are still huge and barb is still considered the best starter build. About high end rifts: we will see how far you can push.
There is a gernan youtuber which looked at ptr data and while ptr was still running, most classes had the best seasonal chars at 110 to 120 rifts, while many barbs had 130+ (was 133). I dont think anyone pushed on ptr so it was pretty safe that barb is clearly ahead on ptr (though probably not 10 to 15 levels like on ptr). He also said that the barb is clearly too strong from playing himself. Ptr barb after the nerfs to necro/wiz probably was 5 to 15 levels higher than other top specs.
I havent seen any numbers or ptr data indicating anything else.
Guys after the buffs to rend from the setbonus and the nerfs to bazooka and necro thorns, they would have created another abonination 5-10rifts higher than the BEST performing builds of most classes.
From PTR feedback rend was much too high and started to easily clear 130+ rifts without any issue (and was alresdy beating 140+ rifts on ptr).
The rend buffs via set bonus are still huge and barb is still considered the best starter build. About high end rifts: we will see how far you can push.
Yeah some guy with almost 11k paragon did a 140+. So now the highest WW completed for a barbarian is about 130. Which is uncalled for especially when seeing things like tempest rush getting buffed almost to 140. We want our buff back, and we want it this season.
ok what i only care about is will i be able to spin2win to complete the journey or am i better off with multishot dh? i care not about leaderboards or paragon farming, i just want to complete the journey and quit.
ok what i only care about is will i be able to spin2win to complete the journey or am i better off with multishot dh? i care not about leaderboards or paragon farming, i just want to complete the journey and quit.
No WW-rend ain't capable for high pushing anymore it is 1 od lower builds its still ok set to start whit but overall for gr pushing not so much.
ok what i only care about is will i be able to spin2win to complete the journey or am i better off with multishot dh? i care not about leaderboards or paragon farming, i just want to complete the journey and quit.
No WW-rend ain't capable for high pushing anymore it is 1 od lower builds its still ok set to start whit but overall for gr pushing not so much.
i am specifically asking about the seasonal journey, does it faceroll gr70s, T13-16 and bounties? i dont care for high pushing at all, i just want to faceroll the journey, bounties, t13-16 rifts etc.
ok what i only care about is will i be able to spin2win to complete the journey or am i better off with multishot dh? i care not about leaderboards or paragon farming, i just want to complete the journey and quit.
No WW-rend ain't capable for high pushing anymore it is 1 od lower builds its still ok set to start whit but overall for gr pushing not so much.
i am specifically asking about the seasonal journey, does it faceroll gr70s, T13-16 and bounties? i dont care for high pushing at all, i just want to faceroll the journey, bounties, t13-16 rifts etc.
So according new info they nerfed lamentation belt reduced 200% multiplier to 0. What is 66% nerf to the build probably arrouns 7-9 tiers.
They tought they overshot whit the buffs... Like wtf the build still wasn't more powerful then necro or wizard but ok.
Now according new info they buffed crusader new set to insane lvls damage but well survival sucks.
What u think about that ? Don't tell me the nerf to barbarian was deserved ur just ignorant then. w´Wizard and necro were supreme. and even whit theyr nerfs they still 2 best classes ingame even whitout barb ww nerf they would of been better.
We have no final patchnotes yet. So we don't know if the nerf will go live, or maybe they will reduce it to 100%, maybe they will restore it. At this point it's all just speculation.
But yeah, it sucks, I agree on that.
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/d3/t/icymi-lamentation-will-stay-0/6898?u=babylon-1903
Shame, but I personally think the nerf is more due to the fact WW causes alot of server issues/lag, and if everyone is playing it I'd imagine that issue would be alot worse.
I'll be starting with Barb this season either way, only usually bother with Gr100 solo and the Journey these days, Rat xp meta ruined all class leader board meaning to anyone that doesn't run them 24/7
Sadly yeah . And keep in mind guys i am talking about competive gameplay here . For casual sunday player evreything works because they don't care about being competive :). I truely hope they revert the nerf but knowing blizzard and theyr love towards nerfs ... Let's hope for the best i guess.
I care about being competitive...for the first weekend of the season, after that Rats pile on so much xp trying to keep up just stops being fun to me.
Doubt they will ever make anything better then Necros either as for every account they ban for botting they not only have to rebuy the game but also the Necro each time, too much money to lose I guess haha
Haha yep
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I think the most infuriating part of it all is that it was all based on a set of perfect scenarios. The likelihood of full primals in a live scenario is exceedingly minimal, even on a non seasonal character. But I guess having a build rocking full best in slot items, fully augmented with high level gem augments, and 10.5k paragon managing GR levels that other classes fairly easily obtain in significantly less gear is pretty worthy of a nerf. Plus barbs have zDPS, amirite?
Not true. The rend version used no area damage, and low attack speed. It was the least stressful build for the server d3 have seen ww wise. I do believe even seismic slam might be on par or worse right now. Now we have to get creative use casting, area damage, maybe even ww damage to deal enough dmg, so this way we will have server issues. Not to mention crusaders. They might dmg with heavens fury but there will be all that fist of heavens cast with area damage on the gear.
Guys after the buffs to rend from the setbonus and the nerfs to bazooka and necro thorns, they would have created another abonination 5-10rifts higher than the BEST performing builds of most classes.
From PTR feedback rend was much too high and started to easily clear 130+ rifts without any issue (and was alresdy beating 140+ rifts on ptr).
The rend buffs via set bonus are still huge and barb is still considered the best starter build. About high end rifts: we will see how far you can push.
There is a gernan youtuber which looked at ptr data and while ptr was still running, most classes had the best seasonal chars at 110 to 120 rifts, while many barbs had 130+ (was 133). I dont think anyone pushed on ptr so it was pretty safe that barb is clearly ahead on ptr (though probably not 10 to 15 levels like on ptr). He also said that the barb is clearly too strong from playing himself. Ptr barb after the nerfs to necro/wiz probably was 5 to 15 levels higher than other top specs.
I havent seen any numbers or ptr data indicating anything else.
Yeah some guy with almost 11k paragon did a 140+. So now the highest WW completed for a barbarian is about 130. Which is uncalled for especially when seeing things like tempest rush getting buffed almost to 140. We want our buff back, and we want it this season.
ok what i only care about is will i be able to spin2win to complete the journey or am i better off with multishot dh? i care not about leaderboards or paragon farming, i just want to complete the journey and quit.
No WW-rend ain't capable for high pushing anymore it is 1 od lower builds its still ok set to start whit but overall for gr pushing not so much.
i am specifically asking about the seasonal journey, does it faceroll gr70s, T13-16 and bounties? i dont care for high pushing at all, i just want to faceroll the journey, bounties, t13-16 rifts etc.
It's perfect for that.
thanks, thats all i needed to know.
Rejoice! The Devs just said that their adjustment patch before the season will bring lamentation back at 100-150% damage increase for Rend!