There is no doubt, that Barb is the worst class in the game at the moment. This is not a whine thread, this is a Blizzard dropped the ball thread.
I'm seeing my DH, Wiz mates, with gear 1\3 as good as mine, RAPING everything in sight even when I'm moving around trying not to die (3 people in game).
This is ridicules I have no idea what I'm doing wrong. My gear is fine, I'm lacking resists a bit but I still have 59k hp, with 100 resists, and 6,4k armor, and 9.5k dps (without Rage), And even with Ignore Pain up I seem to take a horrible beating. I die in two or three melee hits, and not to even mention how fast I melt to ELITES. Regardless of affixes.
I've tried dozens of builds, none work.
At the moment I'm leveling a DH, lvl 31 already, because I'm sick of this situation. The hot fixes are nice but they don't straighten the line with Barbs.
barb is great if you play him right. most people thinks they can go into inferno whit basic hell gear, thats not what it was balanced for, only way to survive then is to stack TANK stats and have a tank build.
Best defense is offense - wrath of the berserker + insanity rune, pop earthquake and watch how stuff melts before your feet. Cleared 2 packs at once in 3 seconds.
EDIT: Inferno Act 1
Tried that. I died in 3 hits, even with all CD's up.
barb is great if you play him right. most people thinks they can go into inferno whit basic hell gear, thats not what it was balanced for, only way to survive then is to stack TANK stats and have a tank build.
for example, im offensive, use 2h, works fine.
I'm almost full 60 gear.
Have like 3 parts that are level 50+
I hear Barb is the worst class, unless geared. As it stands, Barb is the most gear dependant class. But with decent gear, I hear they can be the best, if not, the only class that can solo Inferno...
Act 1 Inferno is trash anyway. I was destroying pretty much everything in my way.
I found it to be easier than Hell Act 4, where I had to skip some packs (those damned fallen angel champions were raping me).
Act 2 however is a whole different story. Normal monsters there hit harder than rares in Act 1. It's ridiculous, I don't understand how are we supposed to survive without stacking tank stats, in what case we sacrifice our dps gear. And I want my barbarian to be a huge 2h swinging powerhouse, not a wimpy 1h + shield type.
I play wizard with my brother barbarian in inferno act 2, and i die 3 or 4 times before he dies once, he tanks very even in champion packs. gonna roll a barb next, seems fine to me.
There is no doubt, that Barb is the worst class in the game at the moment. This is not a whine thread, this is a Blizzard dropped the ball thread.
I'm seeing my DH, Wiz mates, with gear 1\3 as good as mine, RAPING everything in sight even when I'm moving around trying not to die (3 people in game).
This is ridicules I have no idea what I'm doing wrong. My gear is fine, I'm lacking resists a bit but I still have 59k hp, with 100 resists, and 6,4k armor, and 9.5k dps (without Rage), And even with Ignore Pain up I seem to take a horrible beating. I die in two or three melee hits, and not to even mention how fast I melt to ELITES. Regardless of affixes.
I've tried dozens of builds, none work.
At the moment I'm leveling a DH, lvl 31 already, because I'm sick of this situation. The hot fixes are nice but they don't straighten the line with Barbs.
What am I doing wrong?
Your stats are not even close. Your health is approaching something decent, but your other stats? No wonder you're getting spanked.
You need to do more of Act Four Hell or Act One Inferno farming. There are only a couple of mobs that melee have problems with in Act One because of their significant melee damage. You will need to farm Act One Inferno anyways for Act Two, since it is a bastard and a half to do on your own.
Barbarian is not the worst in the game. Monk is. You heal % of you hp with you're skills. Our healing spells heal 6000 hp meaning if we even stacked hp my spells wouldn't mean a thing. Yes monks dodge a lot but when we get hit we die. If I though stack hp I'll get on 6k dps which aint enough to kill rare mobs b4 they enrage.
Yea I feel like I have some pretty good gear on my monk, and I just get destroyed in act 3 inferno. It is not even fun. Depending on some auctions I feel like I will have really good gear with in the next few days, but I am honestly doubtful that it will make a difference. You are right, I wish the heals were percentage based, as it stands now they don't scale at all with the difficulty/gear.
There is no doubt, that Barb is the worst class in the game at the moment. This is not a whine thread, this is a Blizzard dropped the ball thread.
I'm seeing my DH, Wiz mates, with gear 1\3 as good as mine, RAPING everything in sight even when I'm moving around trying not to die (3 people in game).
This is ridicules I have no idea what I'm doing wrong. My gear is fine, I'm lacking resists a bit but I still have 59k hp, with 100 resists, and 6,4k armor, and 9.5k dps (without Rage), And even with Ignore Pain up I seem to take a horrible beating. I die in two or three melee hits, and not to even mention how fast I melt to ELITES. Regardless of affixes.
I've tried dozens of builds, none work.
At the moment I'm leveling a DH, lvl 31 already, because I'm sick of this situation. The hot fixes are nice but they don't straighten the line with Barbs.
What am I doing wrong?
Try bumping your resists up to around 500 with war cry up. You'll be amazed at how much easier the game is. Believe me, I thought that I couldn't possibly sacrifice dps and armor/hp to pick up resists without dying even more than I was already. But I did it on a leap of faith and now can solo all of Act 1 without any trouble at all. Have occasional bad blue pack combos like everyone else, but I no longer have to run away from every single pack.
There is no doubt, that Barb is the worst class in the game at the moment. This is not a whine thread, this is a Blizzard dropped the ball thread.
I'm seeing my DH, Wiz mates, with gear 1\3 as good as mine, RAPING everything in sight even when I'm moving around trying not to die (3 people in game).
This is ridicules I have no idea what I'm doing wrong. My gear is fine, I'm lacking resists a bit but I still have 59k hp, with 100 resists, and 6,4k armor, and 9.5k dps (without Rage), And even with Ignore Pain up I seem to take a horrible beating. I die in two or three melee hits, and not to even mention how fast I melt to ELITES. Regardless of affixes.
I've tried dozens of builds, none work.
At the moment I'm leveling a DH, lvl 31 already, because I'm sick of this situation. The hot fixes are nice but they don't straighten the line with Barbs.
What am I doing wrong?
Try bumping your resists up to around 500 with war cry up. You'll be amazed at how much easier the game is. Believe me, I thought that I couldn't possibly sacrifice dps and armor/hp to pick up resists without dying even more than I was already. But I did it on a leap of faith and now can solo all of Act 1 without any trouble at all. Have occasional bad blue pack combos like everyone else, but I no longer have to run away from every single pack.
I'm trying to get there. But finding decent items for decent price at AH is a bitch. Nothing below 200k is worth buying today.
And how do you manage to decide if to go Physical Resistance and Elemental Resistance? do we even need phys resist as Barbs due to our armor?
I don't see what all the hate is about, I absolutely love my barbarian. Sure I die a lot but that makes it even more of a challenge. Now don't get too upset by this, i know a lot of people frown upon this behavior nowadays, but I love a challenge. There I said it!
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Bashiok - Blizzard Representative - 08/01/2011 -"So how many skill combinations are there now? Well taking into account 6 active skills, all the rune combinations, and 3 passives we currently expect each class to have roughly 2,285,814,795,264 different build combinations."
"Hey, I thought you'd like the witty irony of grub-on-glowie violence!"
Barbs aren't that bad at all though. Watch RGdiablo3 clear the butcher inferno solo... that is just insane.
Lol, even I kill Butcher solo, with a shitty 700dps weapon, doesn't mean Barbs ain't in a bad place.
The bosses are the easiest part of inferno, learning butcher is a breeze.
Now I'm not saying I don't enjoy my barb, cause I really do..but killing Butcher solo is no milestone by any stretch.
I didn't quote that! LIAR!
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Bashiok - Blizzard Representative - 08/01/2011 -"So how many skill combinations are there now? Well taking into account 6 active skills, all the rune combinations, and 3 passives we currently expect each class to have roughly 2,285,814,795,264 different build combinations."
"Hey, I thought you'd like the witty irony of grub-on-glowie violence!"
barb is great if you play him right. most people thinks they can go into inferno whit basic hell gear, thats not what it was balanced for, only way to survive then is to stack TANK stats and have a tank build.
for example, im offensive, use 2h, works fine.
I'm almost full 60 gear.
Have like 3 parts that are level 50+
yeah cuz its all about the level req of the items in Diablo, like ilvl in wow?
no. its not. if you dont understand this. i wont bother to explain anything more to you.
barb is great if you play him right. most people thinks they can go into inferno whit basic hell gear, thats not what it was balanced for, only way to survive then is to stack TANK stats and have a tank build.
for example, im offensive, use 2h, works fine.
what? Are u saying that to play in act1 inferno u need inferno gear? Does that sound shitty to anyone else? catch22 >.>
Inferno seems to be more about kiting than anything else from what i've seen (i only play co-op). Since u can't really kite as barb (well u could but it would take eons, not to mention being utterly lame/boring) i just run around doing fuck all for a long time or i rock up to elites and get destroyed in approximately 3 seconds. When the game turns in to "go farm the AH for a week" that's when i lose interest >.>
never said that, just farm some better gear in endgame hell.
also seismic slam works really well to keep them away
There is no doubt, that Barb is the worst class in the game at the moment. This is not a whine thread, this is a Blizzard dropped the ball thread.
I'm seeing my DH, Wiz mates, with gear 1\3 as good as mine, RAPING everything in sight even when I'm moving around trying not to die (3 people in game).
This is ridicules I have no idea what I'm doing wrong. My gear is fine, I'm lacking resists a bit but I still have 59k hp, with 100 resists, and 6,4k armor, and 9.5k dps (without Rage), And even with Ignore Pain up I seem to take a horrible beating. I die in two or three melee hits, and not to even mention how fast I melt to ELITES. Regardless of affixes.
I've tried dozens of builds, none work.
At the moment I'm leveling a DH, lvl 31 already, because I'm sick of this situation. The hot fixes are nice but they don't straighten the line with Barbs.
What am I doing wrong?
59k hp... ok. 100 all res? LOL dude.... You need atleast 400 all res for inferno act 1 and lets not talk about act2.
I have 30k hp, 500+ all res, 5.5k armor and 10k dmg and i own act 1. Act 2 is a different story. Played with a monk friend of mine in act 2 and we were doing just fine, with our buffs combined ofcourse.
Anyway, the barb is not the worst class in the game and nor it ever will be and ever was. Its just that at the moment, it is the most gear dependant.
This is how inferno is supposed to be like. Sure its annoying when your noob DH friend can farm act 2-3 inferno and you are stuck act 1 even though you have 3x better gear than him, but that's why you did not see any nerfs on the barb. The other classes had the most broken skills at launch which allowed them to exploit inferno with shitty stats.
Keep farming act 1 inferno, you dont need alot of dmg 10k is enough. Hell, even 8k dmg is awesome. Get defensive passives. use frenzy, revenge, war cry with impunity rune, siesmic slam for keeping the champs off of you when needed, etc... This is how the game is supposed to play, not just go in inferno and tank everything and own. (even though i can pretty much do that now in act 1).
Edit: forgot to mention, spend 500-1000k on a good 1 hander and get a good shield with % to block, % to life and all res.
I think there are ways to make this class work but that involves too much gold and what's it all for? Playing the class a way that doesn't feel like a "Barbarian" at all? Don't see a point in that, not worth it for me at all.
My god finally someone gets me. I guess it's my fault that sometimes I don't explain myself well.
There is no doubt, that Barb is the worst class in the game at the moment. This is not a whine thread, this is a Blizzard dropped the ball thread.
I'm seeing my DH, Wiz mates, with gear 1\3 as good as mine, RAPING everything in sight even when I'm moving around trying not to die (3 people in game).
This is ridicules I have no idea what I'm doing wrong. My gear is fine, I'm lacking resists a bit but I still have 59k hp, with 100 resists, and 6,4k armor, and 9.5k dps (without Rage), And even with Ignore Pain up I seem to take a horrible beating. I die in two or three melee hits, and not to even mention how fast I melt to ELITES. Regardless of affixes.
I've tried dozens of builds, none work.
At the moment I'm leveling a DH, lvl 31 already, because I'm sick of this situation. The hot fixes are nice but they don't straighten the line with Barbs.
What am I doing wrong?
59k hp... ok. 100 all res? LOL dude.... You need atleast 400 all res for inferno act 1 and lets not talk about act2.
I have 30k hp, 500+ all res, 5.5k armor and 10k dmg and i own act 1. Act 2 is a different story. Played with a monk friend of mine in act 2 and we were doing just fine, with our buffs combined ofcourse.
Anyway, the barb is not the worst class in the game and nor it ever will be and ever was. Its just that at the moment, it is the most gear dependant.
This is how inferno is supposed to be like. Sure its annoying when your noob DH friend can farm act 2-3 inferno and you are stuck act 1 even though you have 3x better gear than him, but that's why you did not see any nerfs on the barb. The other classes had the most broken skills at launch which allowed them to exploit inferno with shitty stats.
Keep farming act 1 inferno, you dont need alot of dmg 10k is enough. Hell, even 8k dmg is awesome. Get defensive passives. use frenzy, revenge, war cry with impunity rune, siesmic slam for keeping the champs off of you when needed, etc... This is how the game is supposed to play, not just go in inferno and tank everything and own. (even though i can pretty much do that now in act 1).
Edit: forgot to mention, spend 500-1000k on a good 1 hander and get a good shield with % to block, % to life and all res.
Mate, I don't want to kite with ss. I'm a barb, I'm supposed to be a frontliner and kill noobs. I'm just saying barb doesn't feel like a barb at all.
Act 1 Inferno is trash anyway. I was destroying pretty much everything in my way.
I found it to be easier than Hell Act 4
I have a 2-handed sick barbarian too, so cut the bullshit.
After Hell Act IV, you had to gear-up a bit(Farm or AH) to consider Act 1 Inferno "trash". And Act 2 is unplayable in a group of 1-3 players.
Act 1 is trash and Act 2 Inferno for me now too...
Just gear your Barb up noob - 800 Res and all that stuff and you can pull 2-3 Champ packs together in Act 2 and kill them without any problems.
Of course 1H+Shield
I get crushed now in Act 3 but i will overcome this with better gear.
Kripparian on twitch.tv for example is now able to tank and farm in Act 3 SOLO after he got crushed in Act 2 a few days ago.He even pulled few champ groups in a 2 player game in Act 3 together and survived somehow.
Its all about stacking resistance and getting better Gear.
Everyone who is expecting to jump into Champ packs with their crap Hell Gear is stupid and delusional.
Especially with a 2H Weapon and all that crap.
Act 1 Inferno is trash anyway. I was destroying pretty much everything in my way.
I found it to be easier than Hell Act 4
I have a 2-handed sick barbarian too, so cut the bullshit.
After Hell Act IV, you had to gear-up a bit(Farm or AH) to consider Act 1 Inferno "trash". And Act 2 is unplayable in a group of 1-3 players.
Act 1 is trash and Act 2 Inferno for me now too...
Just gear your Barb up noob - 800 Res and all that stuff and you can pull 2-3 Champ packs together in Act 2 and kill them without any problems.
Of course 1H+Shield
I get crushed now in Act 3 but i will overcome this with better gear.
Kripparian on twitch.tv for example is now able to tank and farm in Act 3 SOLO after he got crushed in Act 2 a few days ago.He even pulled few champ groups in a 2 player game in Act 3 together and survived somehow.
Its all about stacking resistance and getting better Gear.
Everyone who is expecting to jump into Champ packs with their crap Hell Gear is stupid and delusional.
Especially with a 2H Weapon and all that crap.
I didn't expect that. I'm just saying its way too hard compared to other classes, even after nerfs
There is no doubt, that Barb is the worst class in the game at the moment. This is not a whine thread, this is a Blizzard dropped the ball thread.
I'm seeing my DH, Wiz mates, with gear 1\3 as good as mine, RAPING everything in sight even when I'm moving around trying not to die (3 people in game).
This is ridicules I have no idea what I'm doing wrong. My gear is fine, I'm lacking resists a bit but I still have 59k hp, with 100 resists, and 6,4k armor, and 9.5k dps (without Rage), And even with Ignore Pain up I seem to take a horrible beating. I die in two or three melee hits, and not to even mention how fast I melt to ELITES. Regardless of affixes.
I've tried dozens of builds, none work.
At the moment I'm leveling a DH, lvl 31 already, because I'm sick of this situation. The hot fixes are nice but they don't straighten the line with Barbs.
What am I doing wrong?
59k hp... ok. 100 all res? LOL dude.... You need atleast 400 all res for inferno act 1 and lets not talk about act2.
I have 30k hp, 500+ all res, 5.5k armor and 10k dmg and i own act 1. Act 2 is a different story. Played with a monk friend of mine in act 2 and we were doing just fine, with our buffs combined ofcourse.
Anyway, the barb is not the worst class in the game and nor it ever will be and ever was. Its just that at the moment, it is the most gear dependant.
This is how inferno is supposed to be like. Sure its annoying when your noob DH friend can farm act 2-3 inferno and you are stuck act 1 even though you have 3x better gear than him, but that's why you did not see any nerfs on the barb. The other classes had the most broken skills at launch which allowed them to exploit inferno with shitty stats.
Keep farming act 1 inferno, you dont need alot of dmg 10k is enough. Hell, even 8k dmg is awesome. Get defensive passives. use frenzy, revenge, war cry with impunity rune, siesmic slam for keeping the champs off of you when needed, etc... This is how the game is supposed to play, not just go in inferno and tank everything and own. (even though i can pretty much do that now in act 1).
Edit: forgot to mention, spend 500-1000k on a good 1 hander and get a good shield with % to block, % to life and all res.
Mate, I don't want to kite with ss. I'm a barb, I'm supposed to be a frontliner and kill noobs. I'm just saying barb doesn't feel like a barb at all.
Who said anything about kiting? Get this into your head - You are not supposed to be able to tank ALL of the champions and elites in inferno. You use mobility skills or crowd control skills to put yourself in better angles. When you get jailed for an example and you wait for those 2 secs on the pot CD, thats when a skill like siesmic sl;am comes in handy.
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I'm seeing my DH, Wiz mates, with gear 1\3 as good as mine, RAPING everything in sight even when I'm moving around trying not to die (3 people in game).
This is ridicules I have no idea what I'm doing wrong. My gear is fine, I'm lacking resists a bit but I still have 59k hp, with 100 resists, and 6,4k armor, and 9.5k dps (without Rage), And even with Ignore Pain up I seem to take a horrible beating. I die in two or three melee hits, and not to even mention how fast I melt to ELITES. Regardless of affixes.
I've tried dozens of builds, none work.
At the moment I'm leveling a DH, lvl 31 already, because I'm sick of this situation. The hot fixes are nice but they don't straighten the line with Barbs.
What am I doing wrong?
for example, im offensive, use 2h, works fine.
Tried that. I died in 3 hits, even with all CD's up.
I'm almost full 60 gear.
Have like 3 parts that are level 50+
Time to re roll, DH nerfs too hard...
I found it to be easier than Hell Act 4, where I had to skip some packs (those damned fallen angel champions were raping me).
Act 2 however is a whole different story. Normal monsters there hit harder than rares in Act 1. It's ridiculous, I don't understand how are we supposed to survive without stacking tank stats, in what case we sacrifice our dps gear. And I want my barbarian to be a huge 2h swinging powerhouse, not a wimpy 1h + shield type.
Your stats are not even close. Your health is approaching something decent, but your other stats? No wonder you're getting spanked.
You need to do more of Act Four Hell or Act One Inferno farming. There are only a couple of mobs that melee have problems with in Act One because of their significant melee damage. You will need to farm Act One Inferno anyways for Act Two, since it is a bastard and a half to do on your own.
Yea I feel like I have some pretty good gear on my monk, and I just get destroyed in act 3 inferno. It is not even fun. Depending on some auctions I feel like I will have really good gear with in the next few days, but I am honestly doubtful that it will make a difference. You are right, I wish the heals were percentage based, as it stands now they don't scale at all with the difficulty/gear.
Try bumping your resists up to around 500 with war cry up. You'll be amazed at how much easier the game is. Believe me, I thought that I couldn't possibly sacrifice dps and armor/hp to pick up resists without dying even more than I was already. But I did it on a leap of faith and now can solo all of Act 1 without any trouble at all. Have occasional bad blue pack combos like everyone else, but I no longer have to run away from every single pack.
I'm trying to get there. But finding decent items for decent price at AH is a bitch. Nothing below 200k is worth buying today.
And how do you manage to decide if to go Physical Resistance and Elemental Resistance? do we even need phys resist as Barbs due to our armor?
Bashiok - Blizzard Representative - 08/01/2011 -"So how many skill combinations are there now? Well taking into account 6 active skills, all the rune combinations, and 3 passives we currently expect each class to have roughly 2,285,814,795,264 different build combinations."
"Hey, I thought you'd like the witty irony of grub-on-glowie violence!"
Bashiok - Blizzard Representative - 08/01/2011 -"So how many skill combinations are there now? Well taking into account 6 active skills, all the rune combinations, and 3 passives we currently expect each class to have roughly 2,285,814,795,264 different build combinations."
"Hey, I thought you'd like the witty irony of grub-on-glowie violence!"
no. its not. if you dont understand this. i wont bother to explain anything more to you.
never said that, just farm some better gear in endgame hell.
also seismic slam works really well to keep them away
59k hp... ok. 100 all res? LOL dude.... You need atleast 400 all res for inferno act 1 and lets not talk about act2.
I have 30k hp, 500+ all res, 5.5k armor and 10k dmg and i own act 1. Act 2 is a different story. Played with a monk friend of mine in act 2 and we were doing just fine, with our buffs combined ofcourse.
Anyway, the barb is not the worst class in the game and nor it ever will be and ever was. Its just that at the moment, it is the most gear dependant.
This is how inferno is supposed to be like. Sure its annoying when your noob DH friend can farm act 2-3 inferno and you are stuck act 1 even though you have 3x better gear than him, but that's why you did not see any nerfs on the barb. The other classes had the most broken skills at launch which allowed them to exploit inferno with shitty stats.
Keep farming act 1 inferno, you dont need alot of dmg 10k is enough. Hell, even 8k dmg is awesome. Get defensive passives. use frenzy, revenge, war cry with impunity rune, siesmic slam for keeping the champs off of you when needed, etc... This is how the game is supposed to play, not just go in inferno and tank everything and own. (even though i can pretty much do that now in act 1).
Edit: forgot to mention, spend 500-1000k on a good 1 hander and get a good shield with % to block, % to life and all res.
Mate, I don't want to kite with ss. I'm a barb, I'm supposed to be a frontliner and kill noobs. I'm just saying barb doesn't feel like a barb at all.
Act 1 is trash and Act 2 Inferno for me now too...
Just gear your Barb up noob - 800 Res and all that stuff and you can pull 2-3 Champ packs together in Act 2 and kill them without any problems.
Of course 1H+Shield
I get crushed now in Act 3 but i will overcome this with better gear.
Kripparian on twitch.tv for example is now able to tank and farm in Act 3 SOLO after he got crushed in Act 2 a few days ago.He even pulled few champ groups in a 2 player game in Act 3 together and survived somehow.
Its all about stacking resistance and getting better Gear.
Everyone who is expecting to jump into Champ packs with their crap Hell Gear is stupid and delusional.
Especially with a 2H Weapon and all that crap.
I didn't expect that. I'm just saying its way too hard compared to other classes, even after nerfs
Who said anything about kiting? Get this into your head - You are not supposed to be able to tank ALL of the champions and elites in inferno. You use mobility skills or crowd control skills to put yourself in better angles. When you get jailed for an example and you wait for those 2 secs on the pot CD, thats when a skill like siesmic sl;am comes in handy.