All I really want are droprates that allow me to progress at a reasonable pace with just the stuff I find while farming. The current system, where the AH is taken into account, makes that style of play incredibly boring, when you can farm for weeks on end and not find anything interesting.
I hope that makes it clear for you.
You replied to this exact portion of my previous post, yet you still don't seem to understand. The current pace at which you find upgrades on your own is not reasonable.
Upgrades for what? I've played through normal to inferno in HC while playing self-found.. The games been changed enough that basic drops are 'good' enough to face roll mp 0. If you want 'better' you need to either get real lucky or trade, which is the same in every ARPG ever made.
The problem is upgrades are basically the same stats. If you're trying to play self-found to face roll MP 10 it probably won't happen and honestly it shouldn't
This item problem won't be solved be some stupid self-found mode. Its the last thing needed in D3.
Vtruth is a troll. Lol I was actually taking him seriously for a second!
That's me, the big, bad, "HE" troll.
Please explain why Blizzard needs to add a Self Found mode for the handful of people who want it. Get in line will ya. They have a lot of more important things to fix and do before making a game mode for 10 people.
All I really want are droprates that allow me to progress at a reasonable pace with just the stuff I find while farming. The current system, where the AH is taken into account, makes that style of play incredibly boring, when you can farm for weeks on end and not find anything interesting.
I hope that makes it clear for you.
You replied to this exact portion of my previous post, yet you still don't seem to understand. The current pace at which you find upgrades on your own is not reasonable.
Upgrades for what? I've played through normal to inferno in HC while playing self-found.. The games been changed enough that basic drops are 'good' enough to face roll mp 0. If you want 'better' you need to either get real lucky or trade, which is the same in every ARPG ever made.
The problem is upgrades are basically the same stats. If you're trying to play self-found to face roll MP 10 it probably won't happen and honestly it shouldn't
This item problem won't be solved be some stupid self-found mode. Its the last thing needed in D3.
Vtruth is a troll. Lol I was actually taking him seriously for a second!
That's me, the big, bad, "HE" troll.
Please explain why Blizzard needs to add a Self Found mode for the handful of people who want it. Get in line will ya. They have a lot of more important things to fix and do before making a game mode for 10 people.
I was gonna reply, honestly, but that last edit of yours made me realise that you are actually a troll. "10 people"? "Handful of people"?
I'll stop feeding you, now.
Oh im sorry, would you like me to go to the D3 forums and count them out for you like the piggys on your feet?
I love how this forum degenerates into calling people trolls. I find it funny.. Sad but funny.
Self found is a style of play... just like some people don't use life steal, or health globes... does that mean we should have a way to prevent health globes or life steal on stuff for dropping? There's no shame in using gold you acquired to buy stuff, just like there's no shame in not buying items from the auction house. The game doesn't need more modes. It needs players with self control (if it's a matter of looking at the ever so tempting AH button)
Hey VTruth this isn't new. I hadn't played the game in close to a year and then just got back into it because some friends started playing/playing again. Love the changes and am having a blast! People have been complaining about drop rates since day 1. Just ignore them and don't feed the trolls. Good to see Maka is still beating that same trolololol drum.
"Hadn't played the game in close to a year". Yeah, D3 sure has staying power.
Loving the newly-found "Add to ignore list" feature. The air is so much more breathable, now....
I lied, one more post
As opposed to making glittering generalities all the time, maybe you could try approaching from the viewpoint of not all people consume content the same way. I don't play games the way I did in my "younger days". Family, work, life, kids, other hobbies. I don't play anything long term anymore. The fact that I can come back after a year, pick right up and have a great time says more to me than anything else.
That's just too logical though isn't it. It has to be Blizzard's fault for making a fail game Oh but wait, you won't read this because you blocked me. It's for the best you wouldn't have an intelligible rebuttal anyway and would just resort to calling me names.
P.S the block feature has been around for awhile. Surprised you are just now finding out about it.
I just leveled a WD to 58+ ....only 3 legendaries, 2 of which were for other classes and the other (Justice Lantern) didn't offer me anything of substance.
I cannot see why people would torture themselves playing self-found on a game with such fucking awful itemization and terrible drop chances?
What
Were
They
Thinking
?
Anywho.....great god damn game with a shit item hunt. Can't wait for this to get fixed.....maybe then I'll give HC another go.
Can't wait for this to get fixed.....maybe then I'll give HC another go.
This...makes...me...sad....
It's that Hell "plateau" we hit that really gets me down. Somewhere around act 2 Hell, we hit a wall where the self-found gear ceases being fun because the difficulty level gets considerably harder while the gear gets no better. 1.09 should fix all this.
You're right ruksak, that's exactly the issue... regardless of difficulty act 2 seems to be a wall.... lost my 54 WD in hell act 2 just out of the blue... I'm pretty sure it was a 1 shot, which didn't make sense to me... I agree itemization is what really hinders self found as of right now... I'm with you I hope it gets fix asap! I'm tired of losing barbs, too ;(
^ Hell as a whole is almost worthless. I typically leave Nightmare around 52 and when I powerlevel people on SC it takes like 10-15 mins to go from 52-60. It's entirely frustrating that the equipment from 50-59 is just absolutely terrible, but then on top of that, you have to go through the entire stupid game again before you can get to inferno where your drops can get better. I've tried the MP10 HC challenge, and self found and all that, but I find that MP10 self found becomes impossible about halfway through Nightmare, and self found mp0 in general is just so painful in Hell that it's not really "challenging" or fun, it's just annoying.
yeah... i lost both my DH and my WD last night... so i probably won't play HC much anymore... that's the only play worth doing self found, because starting out gold is hard to come by... if you play self found on SC you're out of your mind..
All I really want are droprates that allow me to progress at a reasonable pace with just the stuff I find while farming. The current system, where the AH is taken into account, makes that style of play incredibly boring, when you can farm for weeks on end and not find anything interesting.
We actually have that. You gotta realise though that the rate of improvements decreases as you get better items. On a curve it would look alot like the curve of log(e).
I also gotta ask you where do you want the progression to notably slow down. As it is atm, you can beat the game on mp0 quite easily, even selffound. You will notice slowing down trough hell though, and infenro will be kinda hard.
So where do you want the progression curve to slow down ? After you cleared inferno ? After you are able to farm mp5 efficiently ? After you are able to farm mp10 efficiently ? It cant just progress and progress at the same rate forever, and I actually like the balancing as it is now. If they just keep throwing better and better items at you, the game becomes trivial.
It's that Hell "plateau" we hit that really gets me down. Somewhere around act 2 Hell, we hit a wall where the self-found gear ceases being fun because the difficulty level gets considerably harder while the gear gets no better. 1.09 should fix all this.
Oh wow, halfway trough the 3th time playing trough the game, it actually becomes a bit hard. Away with that, away!
Remember act 2 inferno before 1.03 ? That was hard. And while I think that it was too hard, I also think that it is over nerfed allready and we dont need the game to become easier in any way whatsoever, be it more powerful items or anything.
I think the original game design and the idea behind that terribly hard inferno was that getting trough the game at all should allready be a challenge. Now people complain if they can only farm mp8 instead of mp10...
The problem is that it is such a powerful trading tool that it is the main item source for our characters. Which lead to the question : Why should we actually play the game ? Item hunt could be enough if there wasn't a better way to find items than playing the game. Since there is, we need a non-loot incentive to play the game.
How about playing the game is fun ? If it is not, why do you play it at all ?
Oh wow, halfway trough the 3th time playing trough the game, it actually becomes a bit hard. Away with that, away!
pretty sure you missed the point here.... HC was the topic in that instance. that being said, you can't get good enough gear to really put up a fight... it turns into a 1 shot fest, thus losing your character. this is annoying. this is also a self found thread, not a "complaining the game gets harder in hell" thread. it'd do you some good to read, kind sir. we aren't asking for much... just not shitty items, that will allow us to progress.... in general...
pretty sure you missed the point here.... HC was the topic in that instance. that being said, you can't get good enough gear to really put up a fight... it turns into a 1 shot fest, thus losing your character. this is annoying. this is also a self found thread, not a "complaining the game gets harder in hell" thread. it'd do you some good to read, kind sir. we aren't asking for much... just not shitty items, that will allow us to progress.... in general...
The game and also the game difficulty are the same in HC and in SC.
And as I also have statet in my post, which you certainly read before lecturing me about reading posts, the game is beatable selffound. Many people have done it and do it.
You may want to read the things I quoted too, my post was very directly on topic with the previous replies quoted.
pretty sure you missed the point here.... HC was the topic in that instance. that being said, you can't get good enough gear to really put up a fight... it turns into a 1 shot fest, thus losing your character. this is annoying. this is also a self found thread, not a "complaining the game gets harder in hell" thread. it'd do you some good to read, kind sir. we aren't asking for much... just not shitty items, that will allow us to progress.... in general...
The game and also the game difficulty are the same in HC and in SC.
And as I also have statet in my post, which you certainly read before lecturing me about reading posts, the game is beatable selffound. Many people have done it and do it.
You may want to read the things I quoted too, my post was very directly on topic with the previous replies quoted.
All in all : no. Nice try, but no.
No, I understand the difficulty is the same..... however, if you die in hardcore, you lose the character. It wasn't a matter of not being possible, it's about being not worth the time because it takes so long to get decent gear to continue... just like it does in inferno. Difficulty has nothing to do with it... *watches the point fly over your head for a second time* I can draw you a picture if you have an issue comprehending that
No, I understand the difficulty is the same..... however, if you die in hardcore, you lose the character. It wasn't a matter of not being possible, it's about being not worth the time because it takes so long to get decent gear to continue... just like it does in inferno. Difficulty has nothing to do with it... *watches the point fly over your head for a second time* I can draw you a picture if you have an issue comprehending that
Actually I would love to see that picture. I really dont get what you want to say.
Playing Diablo is not worth your time ? Well then dont play it ^^ But again I dont see how this is connected to hc or sc or the question of game difficulty.
Upgrades for what? I've played through normal to inferno in HC while playing self-found.. The games been changed enough that basic drops are 'good' enough to face roll mp 0. If you want 'better' you need to either get real lucky or trade, which is the same in every ARPG ever made.
The problem is upgrades are basically the same stats. If you're trying to play self-found to face roll MP 10 it probably won't happen and honestly it shouldn't
This item problem won't be solved be some stupid self-found mode. Its the last thing needed in D3.
That's me, the big, bad, "HE" troll.
Please explain why Blizzard needs to add a Self Found mode for the handful of people who want it. Get in line will ya. They have a lot of more important things to fix and do before making a game mode for 10 people.
Oh im sorry, would you like me to go to the D3 forums and count them out for you like the piggys on your feet?
I love how this forum degenerates into calling people trolls. I find it funny.. Sad but funny.
Ok I'm done. That was my one post for 2013.
I lied, one more post
As opposed to making glittering generalities all the time, maybe you could try approaching from the viewpoint of not all people consume content the same way. I don't play games the way I did in my "younger days". Family, work, life, kids, other hobbies. I don't play anything long term anymore. The fact that I can come back after a year, pick right up and have a great time says more to me than anything else.
That's just too logical though isn't it. It has to be Blizzard's fault for making a fail game Oh but wait, you won't read this because you blocked me. It's for the best you wouldn't have an intelligible rebuttal anyway and would just resort to calling me names.
P.S the block feature has been around for awhile. Surprised you are just now finding out about it.
I just leveled a WD to 58+ ....only 3 legendaries, 2 of which were for other classes and the other (Justice Lantern) didn't offer me anything of substance.
I cannot see why people would torture themselves playing self-found on a game with such fucking awful itemization and terrible drop chances?
What
Were
They
Thinking
?
Anywho.....great god damn game with a shit item hunt. Can't wait for this to get fixed.....maybe then I'll give HC another go.
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This...makes...me...sad....:(
It's that Hell "plateau" we hit that really gets me down. Somewhere around act 2 Hell, we hit a wall where the self-found gear ceases being fun because the difficulty level gets considerably harder while the gear gets no better. 1.09 should fix all this.
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We actually have that. You gotta realise though that the rate of improvements decreases as you get better items. On a curve it would look alot like the curve of log(e).
I also gotta ask you where do you want the progression to notably slow down. As it is atm, you can beat the game on mp0 quite easily, even selffound. You will notice slowing down trough hell though, and infenro will be kinda hard.
So where do you want the progression curve to slow down ? After you cleared inferno ? After you are able to farm mp5 efficiently ? After you are able to farm mp10 efficiently ? It cant just progress and progress at the same rate forever, and I actually like the balancing as it is now. If they just keep throwing better and better items at you, the game becomes trivial.
Oh wow, halfway trough the 3th time playing trough the game, it actually becomes a bit hard. Away with that, away!
Remember act 2 inferno before 1.03 ? That was hard. And while I think that it was too hard, I also think that it is over nerfed allready and we dont need the game to become easier in any way whatsoever, be it more powerful items or anything.
I think the original game design and the idea behind that terribly hard inferno was that getting trough the game at all should allready be a challenge. Now people complain if they can only farm mp8 instead of mp10...
How about playing the game is fun ? If it is not, why do you play it at all ?
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pretty sure you missed the point here.... HC was the topic in that instance. that being said, you can't get good enough gear to really put up a fight... it turns into a 1 shot fest, thus losing your character. this is annoying. this is also a self found thread, not a "complaining the game gets harder in hell" thread. it'd do you some good to read, kind sir. we aren't asking for much... just not shitty items, that will allow us to progress.... in general...
Exactly!
So what!
Cheers!
I don't get this. Its easy to play self-found and beat the game currently. What drops do you expect?
The game and also the game difficulty are the same in HC and in SC.
And as I also have statet in my post, which you certainly read before lecturing me about reading posts, the game is beatable selffound. Many people have done it and do it.
You may want to read the things I quoted too, my post was very directly on topic with the previous replies quoted.
All in all : no. Nice try, but no.
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No, I understand the difficulty is the same..... however, if you die in hardcore, you lose the character. It wasn't a matter of not being possible, it's about being not worth the time because it takes so long to get decent gear to continue... just like it does in inferno. Difficulty has nothing to do with it... *watches the point fly over your head for a second time* I can draw you a picture if you have an issue comprehending that
Actually I would love to see that picture. I really dont get what you want to say.
Playing Diablo is not worth your time ? Well then dont play it ^^ But again I dont see how this is connected to hc or sc or the question of game difficulty.
Do you have a point ?
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