I don't think many people understand anything anymore. I might be 17 years old, but god some of the people on these forums are fucking immature. Blizzard made a game that YOU hyped to be the greatest damn thing ever, just because it didn't live up to your every expectation doesn't mean it's terrible. The server downtime has been surprisingly good. Sure some few, and by few i mean the minority of players, have experienced some intermittent login issues post day 1, but to say the game is bad cause you can't play is ludicrous, most people can play so you need to calm down.
The hacking probably wasn't even hacking. It was probably kids getting suckered into a phishing scam. There's a big difference.
It's truly sad to see how many people complain over a little maintenance. When any game goes down for maintenance nobody complains, but because it's "big Bad Blizzard" let's all jump on the bandwagon and complain. Games have maintenance all the time. Just because Diablo 3 is having some issues doesn't make the game bad. the game on the contrary is pretty good, and to some extraordinary. So to say that the game is bad because "it's unplayable" is stupid because it is very much playable.
Off Topic: Some hate spewing retards over at metacritic have been saying "This is the last time I'll ever buy an EA product again." I laughed.
You, sir, are quite possible the savior of your generation. Others your age should be thanking you for proving that not all young people are so pithy and spoiled.
wow.... just wow..... I'm being criticized for criticizing someone who is criticizing people for criticizing a game, and his final point is that cuss words make his "mature" mind shut down apparently. Too bad hypocrisy doesn't have the same effect. If I'm having a "tantrum" then are you going senile and about to ask me to reach into the hole in your pocket?
Swearing and misinformation won't work to your favor. There's better ways to get your point across, regardless if it's correct or incorrect. I got my first infraction last night losing my temper with stupid people. This game hasn't been in development for 12 years, so the argument does lose validity.
Well you got me there. It hasn't been in development for 12 years, but people such as myself (who remember playing Double Dragon) have been waiting on it for about that long.
As to the swearing I am a little immature about it.... I'll admit. I like to swear and I don't care if people don't like it. I also don't care if that seems immature. It may not be the most effective method of getting my point across, but that dude is such a condescending prick in all of his posts. He just comes into a conversation and bestowes these simplistic and obviously idiotic little pearls before us swine. Here's an awesome thing that happens on the internets (and real life sometimes too)
person 1: I think XXXXX game is shitty
person 2: I don't think so
person 1: I think XXXXX game is shitty because I had a problem with it
person 2: I didn't have a problem it, it worked nicely for me
that conversation conveyed information and didn't involve either one of the person's acting superior to the other at all. Granted neither began cussing the other out but if person 2 had followed up with something like
person 2: I'm old and I think anyone with an opinion different from mine is a little child that I despise and I'm going to criticize multiple generations based on an opinion they have formed over the launch of the video game.
I would venture to say that that is not the most effective way for him to get his rather moot point across also. In the end, an opinion about a game is an opinion about a game. Everyone is entitled to one. Pretending that you have the end-all logic of elderness that makes your opinion superior to anyone elses is sheer elitism, and I don't like it and it makes me wanna cuss people. So I do.
wow.... just wow..... I'm being criticized for criticizing someone who is criticizing people for criticizing a game, and his final point is that cuss words make his "mature" mind shut down apparently. Too bad hypocrisy doesn't have the same effect. If I'm having a "tantrum" then are you going senile and about to ask me to reach into the hole in your pocket?
Swearing and misinformation won't work to your favor. There's better ways to get your point across, regardless if it's correct or incorrect. I got my first infraction last night losing my temper with stupid people. This game hasn't been in development for 12 years, so the argument does lose validity.
Well you got me there. It hasn't been in development for 12 years, but people such as myself (who remember playing Double Dragon) have been waiting on it for about that long.
As to the swearing I am a little immature about it.... I'll admit. I like to swear and I don't care if people don't like it. I also don't care if that seems immature. It may not be the most effective method of getting my point across, but that dude is such a condescending prick in all of his posts. He just comes into a conversation and bestowes these simplistic and obviously idiotic little pearls before us swine. Here's an awesome thing that happens on the internets (and real life sometimes too)
person 1: I think XXXXX game is shitty
person 2: I don't think so
person 1: I think XXXXX game is shitty because I had a problem with it
person 2: I didn't have a problem it, it worked nicely for me
that conversation conveyed information and didn't involve either one of the person's acting superior to the other at all. Granted neither began cussing the other out but if person 2 had followed up with something like
person 2: I'm old and I think anyone with an opinion different from mine is a little child that I despise and I'm going to criticize multiple generations based on an opinion they have formed over the launch of the video game.
I would venture to say that that is not the most effective way for him to get his rather moot point across also. In the end, an opinion about a game is an opinion about a game. Everyone is entitled to one. Pretending that you have the end-all logic of elderness that makes your opinion superior to anyone elses is sheer elitism, and I don't like it and it makes me wanna cuss people. So I do.
wow...now see....now you sound like you're intelligent and you got your point across fabulously. I like my cuss-words too, but it's different when you aim them directly at someone by calling them a name. It just comes off wrong.
In all fairness, I've encountered many players that are my age or older that are every bit as immature as any 14 year olds on the planet. As well, I've encountered many 14 year olds that are far more mature than many 30-something players.
So to that end, I suppose you have a point. The ageism thing is just as much a flawed stereotype as people that think if you play online games you must be a fat, unsociable virgin that lives in you parents basement.
Offline would ruin online. See "Diablo 2" for evidence. Great game, but it was ruined by hackers and manipulators. Unless you think you can successfully argue that D2 kept it's integrity intact? I have a sneaky suspicion that many of the complainers probably were the same people that complained about D2 the whole time it's been out, as well, they're likely part of the bunch that was hacking it to death, all the while, complaining.
Oh please. This is total bs. Diablo 2 had totally different structure for online mode so comparing how D2 was ruined with hackers and what could have become of D3 if it had a separated offline mode is like comparing... I don't know... trains with cars maybe?
Besides, there will always be people trying to find ways to cheat and hack. D2 had dupers, WoW had dupers, D3 will have dupers. It has nothing to do with having offline mode but with how the online part was made, how it is being monitored and moderated. So please stop talking this nonsense about offline compromising online.
I guess my biggest issue is the fact that all(most) of these issues have to do with online play. When playing wow (since 2006) I have never once inspected another player's gear, I don't give a shit. Same now with D3, I don't care about an armory or champions hall for others to see, I just want to play the damn game. They should have enabled some sort of disconnect for folks like me who couldn't care less about the social aspects of the game.
Everyone who bought the game has a right to complain, how else are they going to find out what needs to be fixed? Terrible server issues, bad balance, fps stuttering. Im in act 3 inferno and no I am not whining about the actual difficulty. Stupidly broken mechanics like wizard force armor+diamond skin+ no vitality+ high regen = class with no vitality that can tank 10+ hits (ANY hits) whereas other classes that build defense die instantly.
Personally I expected server issues. What really irks me is the goddamn fps stuttering that was present in beta AND WAS PROMISED TO BE FIXED FOR LAUNCH IS STILL HERE. I can't even post on the official forums to support the threads reporting this issue that no blue will acknowledge. And I am computer literate, I have done everything to fix this horse****
wow.... just wow..... I'm being criticized for criticizing someone who is criticizing people for criticizing a game, and his final point is that cuss words make his "mature" mind shut down apparently. Too bad hypocrisy doesn't have the same effect. If I'm having a "tantrum" then are you going senile and about to ask me to reach into the hole in your pocket?
Swearing and misinformation won't work to your favor. There's better ways to get your point across, regardless if it's correct or incorrect. I got my first infraction last night losing my temper with stupid people. This game hasn't been in development for 12 years, so the argument does lose validity.
Well you got me there. It hasn't been in development for 12 years, but people such as myself (who remember playing Double Dragon) have been waiting on it for about that long.
As to the swearing I am a little immature about it.... I'll admit. I like to swear and I don't care if people don't like it. I also don't care if that seems immature. It may not be the most effective method of getting my point across, but that dude is such a condescending prick in all of his posts. He just comes into a conversation and bestowes these simplistic and obviously idiotic little pearls before us swine. Here's an awesome thing that happens on the internets (and real life sometimes too)
person 1: I think XXXXX game is shitty
person 2: I don't think so
person 1: I think XXXXX game is shitty because I had a problem with it
person 2: I didn't have a problem it, it worked nicely for me
that conversation conveyed information and didn't involve either one of the person's acting superior to the other at all. Granted neither began cussing the other out but if person 2 had followed up with something like
person 2: I'm old and I think anyone with an opinion different from mine is a little child that I despise and I'm going to criticize multiple generations based on an opinion they have formed over the launch of the video game.
I would venture to say that that is not the most effective way for him to get his rather moot point across also. In the end, an opinion about a game is an opinion about a game. Everyone is entitled to one. Pretending that you have the end-all logic of elderness that makes your opinion superior to anyone elses is sheer elitism, and I don't like it and it makes me wanna cuss people. So I do.
As much as I'd like to agree with you I simply don't. It is quite known that the newest generation of gamers have been surprisingly immature and it's been getting progressively worse since the casual-ication (That's not a word I know but IDK how else to explain it) of video games. Mainly CoD 4 and Halo 2-3. they really are like the backstreet boys and Birttany Spears of Video Games only they're actually good, they just brought the shitty fans with them. Basically what I'm getting at is that ever since games got to be a much more mainstream thing we've seen
A) The Dumbification of games. Game companies feel liek they now need to spoonfeed everything to a gamer because you never know who's picking up the game. Back in the older era's everything was tuaght through playing the game, now it's just "here's what you do, look we made it super simplistic and easy at the expense of complexity and functionality for the hardcore gamers." while this is good in a sense because it will allow younger kids to get mroe engaged and learn the game, it just provides a duller experience for someone like me, who understands games and likes when a game is complex and requires some serious thought.
The Risk-less approach. This is what I like to call it anyway. It's simple really, every since games became really popular and mainstream Developers have been pressured by their publishers to create a game that will sell, no matter the cost(Cost being the functionality and overall longevity and innovation in a game.) This in turn makes developers scared to go out on a limb and create that badass feature that had a 50/50 chance of succeeding and becoming the next step in a genre.
and finally C) The arrogant immature user base. Think of it this way, every games going to have the douche player base. That's pretty much with anything. the problem is when games got big, The number rose so much that it's now common place to see kids screaming "You fucking pussy, you're a fucking bitch ass nigger. Get a life you fucking scrub I owned your ass with my motherfucking AK-47. You suck dick man go back to your virgin castle in your mom's basement cause I'm sure you don't want to hear me railing her while i fuck you up." It's truly sad to think about this, but nonetheless it is happening and people are getting more immature which leads into the point of entitlement. when people buy games they're supposed to buy what appeals to them. Now adays though people just buy into a name. Thus they get angry when things are a bit different and don't play to their liking, then they rage all over a forum dedicated to fans. Not to put them off as non-fans but nobody wants their bitching plastered everywhere, when serious discussions could be made. You knew what you were buying into, if you knew it had facets you didn't like or want then why'd you buy it? Plain and simple. Know before you buy, with anything really.
So yeah I agree having a valid discussion with arguments is key. Being immature makes your statements a little less valid. But nonetheless you still have to admit that there is a certain immaturity that has been circulating and growing within the gaming community, and it's only bound to get worse.
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Offline would ruin online. See "Diablo 2" for evidence. Great game, but it was ruined by hackers and manipulators. Unless you think you can successfully argue that D2 kept it's integrity intact? I have a sneaky suspicion that many of the complainers probably were the same people that complained about D2 the whole time it's been out, as well, they're likely part of the bunch that was hacking it to death, all the while, complaining.
Oh please. This is total bs. Diablo 2 had totally different structure for online mode so comparing how D2 was ruined with hackers and what could have become of D3 if it had a separated offline mode is like comparing... I don't know... trains with cars maybe?
Besides, there will always be people trying to find ways to cheat and hack. D2 had dupers, WoW had dupers, D3 will have dupers. It has nothing to do with having offline mode but with how the online part was made, how it is being monitored and moderated. So please stop talking this nonsense about offline compromising online.
The issue is, how easy it makes it for people to mass-duplicate and hack when the program is entirely stored on private hard drives. I played Guild Wars for the better part of 7 years and never, out of thousands of items and thousands of trades, never did I have anything poof. I never even heard anyone talk about dupes because the full-client wasn't stored on private hard drives. They had some incidents in 2007 because someone found a reconnect loophole, but it was quickly shut down.
Yes.....it's possible, but it makes it exceedingly difficult if the game is online only.
You people need to understand this.
Shake your head and say "huh uhh" all you want. Allowing people access to the same program you offer online makes for easy hacking.
wow.... just wow..... I'm being criticized for criticizing someone who is criticizing people for criticizing a game, and his final point is that cuss words make his "mature" mind shut down apparently. Too bad hypocrisy doesn't have the same effect. If I'm having a "tantrum" then are you going senile and about to ask me to reach into the hole in your pocket?
Swearing and misinformation won't work to your favor. There's better ways to get your point across, regardless if it's correct or incorrect. I got my first infraction last night losing my temper with stupid people. This game hasn't been in development for 12 years, so the argument does lose validity.
Well you got me there. It hasn't been in development for 12 years, but people such as myself (who remember playing Double Dragon) have been waiting on it for about that long.
As to the swearing I am a little immature about it.... I'll admit. I like to swear and I don't care if people don't like it. I also don't care if that seems immature. It may not be the most effective method of getting my point across, but that dude is such a condescending prick in all of his posts. He just comes into a conversation and bestowes these simplistic and obviously idiotic little pearls before us swine. Here's an awesome thing that happens on the internets (and real life sometimes too)
person 1: I think XXXXX game is shitty
person 2: I don't think so
person 1: I think XXXXX game is shitty because I had a problem with it
person 2: I didn't have a problem it, it worked nicely for me
that conversation conveyed information and didn't involve either one of the person's acting superior to the other at all. Granted neither began cussing the other out but if person 2 had followed up with something like
person 2: I'm old and I think anyone with an opinion different from mine is a little child that I despise and I'm going to criticize multiple generations based on an opinion they have formed over the launch of the video game.
I would venture to say that that is not the most effective way for him to get his rather moot point across also. In the end, an opinion about a game is an opinion about a game. Everyone is entitled to one. Pretending that you have the end-all logic of elderness that makes your opinion superior to anyone elses is sheer elitism, and I don't like it and it makes me wanna cuss people. So I do.
wow...now see....now you sound like you're intelligent and you got your point across fabulously. I like my cuss-words too, but it's different when you aim them directly at someone by calling them a name. It just comes off wrong.
In all fairness, I've encountered many players that are my age or older that are every bit as immature as any 14 year olds on the planet. As well, I've encountered many 14 year olds that are far more mature than many 30-something players.
So to that end, I suppose you have a point. The ageism thing is just as much a flawed stereotype as people that think if you play online games you must be a fat, unsociable virgin that lives in you parents basement.
Guess it just took me thinking I was talking to someone else. Maybe I did need a 5 minute timeout XD
Apparently some people are ok about everything life throws at them. "Product's not working? - It's fine, really. Promises not being held? - who cares? Silly DRM? - Well, whatever. Greedy corporates? - I'm fine with that. Shitty government? It's ok - no need to bitch."
It's that kind of cattle mentality that slows things from becoming better.
You heard it here first folks. If we don't bitch and complain to Blizzard and make them "fix" the game then the government will collapse and corporations will take over the world.
And idiots will be idiots. If that's all you take from his post, you're one as well.
It was their decision to make it online-only. Any problems that stem from that decision will always be on them.
I think it's relatively funny that everyone in this thread who is bitching happens to be throwing around insults at people who don't agree with them. So far I'm cattle and an idiot, anything else to add? Because your amazing vocabulary only further proves that you're incapable of forming a competent argument without using words you could hear any 12 year old who plays CoD every day screaming over the microphone when someone kills them. You knew coming in that Diablo 3 was going to be an online only game, if that was too much for you to handle then you should have rethought your purchase. Blizzard isn't going to sit down with everyone who wants D3 and ask them how to make it the way THEY want it, Blizzard is going to make the game Blizzard wants to. It's not their fault if you purchase the game knowing how it's going to operate just to bitch about it. It's YOUR fault.
I think it was a perfect argument for someone throwing "people are prone to bitching" around. And yes, I knew it was going to be online only. But that doesn't mean that I have to like that fact or the fact that it's on a constant maintenance and it doesn't mean that I shouldn't not go on official forums and let blizzard know that I don't like it in hopes that they will see reason for their future plans.
You can play the tolerance all you want but if you wake up one day and suddenly find that even the god forsaken tetris requires you to have a constant internet connection and The Elder Scrolls XIV requires a daily subscription fee, you will have no one else to blame but yourself for not bitching when the industry was still not that open about not giving sh#t about customers.
My experience has been relatively good so far, concerning disconnects and the like, though I've still had my fair share of annoyances as well. I think some individuals have been a bit over zealous in their rage, but I can understand where some of their frustration comes from. I think Blizzard's attitude prior to release is partially to blame for the excessive backlash. Their mantra of "it's ready when it's ready" suggested that everything should be functional on release day, May 15th. Furthermore, the number of cuts they made to the game just before release should have ensured everything else was polished, including (for the most part) servers, especially since there is no offline component, and Blizzard already has experience with a very large online only game.
All this said, my general view of the game is positive. It's fun, and it has a high production value. I realize that servers are a bit of a wildcard, so I'm being patient for the first few weeks. Objectively, the truth about this release is probably somewhere in between "WORST EVARRRR!" and "BLIZZARD IS DA BEST OR GTFO", and we should demonstrate some patience, at least for another week.
In an ideal world, everything would be functioning perfectly, but I much prefer the rocky launch to another delay in the game's already lengthy development.
First we waited from the news and how long we waited? and again one last delay from korea. Fine.. lets wait. Wait........... no pvp??? Oh my ... god.. not even real money auction house?
. . .Blizzard wront let that happen but we have a new standard for their games... and we know what to expect from the next Blizzard's game.
Given your proficiency with grammar I imagine your skill at gaming and knowledge of computers is roughly the same.
OT: Anyone who has been with Blizzard for a while knows their launches are usually pretty bad. I've been playing wow since 07 and not once has the first hour of a product launch gone smoothly. This is something to be expected. And with Diablo 3 I haven't had any issues beyond not being able to play till around 1:30 am pst and random lag spikes that settled down rather quickly. This has been a great launch in terms of Blizzard. I am very thankful for what I've got.
Offline would ruin online. See "Diablo 2" for evidence. Great game, but it was ruined by hackers and manipulators. Unless you think you can successfully argue that D2 kept it's integrity intact? I have a sneaky suspicion that many of the complainers probably were the same people that complained about D2 the whole time it's been out, as well, they're likely part of the bunch that was hacking it to death, all the while, complaining.
Oh please. This is total bs. Diablo 2 had totally different structure for online mode so comparing how D2 was ruined with hackers and what could have become of D3 if it had a separated offline mode is like comparing... I don't know... trains with cars maybe?
Besides, there will always be people trying to find ways to cheat and hack. D2 had dupers, WoW had dupers, D3 will have dupers. It has nothing to do with having offline mode but with how the online part was made, how it is being monitored and moderated. So please stop talking this nonsense about offline compromising online.
The issue is, how easy it makes it for people to mass-duplicate and hack when the program is entirely stored on private hard drives. I played Guild Wars for the better part of 7 years and never, out of thousands of items and thousands of trades, never did I have anything poof. I never even heard anyone talk about dupes because the full-client wasn't stored on private hard drives. They had some incidents in 2007 because someone found a reconnect loophole, but it was quickly shut down.
Yes.....it's possible, but it makes it exceedingly difficult if the game is online only.
You people need to understand this.
Shake your head and say "huh uhh" all you want. Allowing people access to the same program you offer online makes for easy hacking.
You're leaving us a blog of a guy that a lot of people don't take seriously? He is so full of himself that he believes everything he says is fact. Read his other blogs and laugh about how inaccurate his predictions were.
You're leaving us a blog of a guy that a lot of people don't take seriously? He is so full of himself that he believes everything he says is fact. Read his other blogs and laugh about how inaccurate his predictions were.
Omg! You're right! Constant "fixed an exploit" patch notes didn't happen. WoW, being online only was immune to dupers, cheaters and hackers. And there is no such thing as "WoW free shards". And you couldn't play D3 beta (well, to some point) in offline mode. And we don't have D3 trainers that give you movement speed, open up map and show mobs on minimap.
Please notice how, when listing the exploits from WoW, he lists end dates. Meaning, these are simple manipulation techniques that were easily shut-down.
As well, the author essentially admits that storing the program server-side only makes it exceedingly difficult for people like him to create duplicate items when he says things like this;
"Diablo 3 will have dupe exploits and tricks as well, I have no doubt in my mind. Item duping, gold duping, point duping, or stat duping (e.g. stacking of stats).. users will always find a way."
"Blizzard has a great team of programmers but a lot of these exploits slip by. They have a limited quantity of QA Testers, and besides, they are tasked with testing the gameplay, quests, and bugs that appear in normal gaming sessions for the casual player. They don't sit there with WPE trying to exploit the game."
"Exploits are discovered over a long period of time and after thousands of players have played the game and stretched the variety of gameplay in ever which direction."
I want to add that I think this guy (and everyone like him) are fucking scumbag bottom feeders. What this piece of human garbage has essentially stated in his article is "I intend not to play the game, but rather, to spend all my time finding exploits so that I can rip you (the player) off. I intend to try my hardest to fuck you out of your real world money {and in game gold, which is worth real world money} by flooding the RMAH {and the GAH} with fake items."
/scumbag, I hope you (the author) die of colon cancer you shitstain. This hypocrite talks trash about Blizz, saying how greedy they are, yet his entire existence in-game is intended to fuck "us" over. Die in a fire you bottom-feeder.
Back on point;
In D2 the only method they had to deal with dupes was an 'after the fact' retroactive measure known as "ruststorming". What we saw in WoW was the companies ability to correct exploitative methods and prevent future incidents, not just simply erase duped items, which only hurt the victim.
I'm assuming that when dupes are identified, Bliz will track the lineage of the item back to the original source and wipe his/her account from the game. Making it difficult for exploiters to trade their phony wares. Now that Blizz has made the dubious choice to support a real money economy, they will most definitely take extreme measures in dealing with scumbags like the guy in the article you posted.
For some perspective; At the risk of sounding like an old man, back in my time as a kid, playing 4-bit and 8-bit games, and PC games were all burdened with errors, If this sort of game suddenly became available (online Diablo 3) ....I would think fuckin space wizards had taken over the Earth. This sort of gaming experience would've seemed other-worldy.
Yet a few errors and some issues with server stability have caused an entire generation of demanding brats to forget how lucky they are to have such technology at their disposal. Y'all mother#$%*ers are spoiled, whether you realize it or not, spoiled.
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1000 times this.
The more people are given, the more pissed off the become when faced with any inconvenience.
Threads of gnashing teeth and discontent have been a constant for every game that's run an internet forum at all. No matter how stellar your product and service, whiners will always find something to whine about. This isn't the aids epidemic in Africa. It's not the world ignoring systemic violence in East Timor or Rwanda. It's not poverty, famine, or flood. It's a hobby. It's not worth getting your panties ina bunch over. If there's an interruption in service, play a console game, read a book, masturbate, call your mom, play some frisbee, catch a workout, watch TV. There's nothing here worth getting ulcers over.
Chill out.
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I grew up gaming without internet forums. The entire phenomenon of being upset with a game developer makes no sense to me. No sense. I cannot imagine spending my time and energy being upset about something I choose to do for recreation.
To the OP it's not that people are ungrateful or that nobody understands the problem of maintaining servers. It's just that people want the game to work and the game should have had offline mode, to start with, which could negate most of the problems we're facing right now.
For some perspective; At the risk of sounding like an old man, back in my time as a kid, playing 4-bit and 8-bit games, and PC games were all burdened with errors, If this sort of game suddenly became available (online Diablo 3) ....I would think fuckin space wizards had taken over the Earth. This sort of gaming experience would've seemed other-worldy.
Yet a few errors and some issues with server stability have caused an entire generation of demanding brats to forget how lucky they are to have such technology at their disposal. Y'all mother#$%*ers are spoiled, whether you realize it or not, spoiled.
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This x 1000
I remember loading cassettes on my spectrum, waiting 20 minutes patiently and then a load error, start again.... I don't care if I sound like an old man, people these don't know what they have! Back in my day etc etc
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You, sir, are quite possible the savior of your generation. Others your age should be thanking you for proving that not all young people are so pithy and spoiled.
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Well you got me there. It hasn't been in development for 12 years, but people such as myself (who remember playing Double Dragon) have been waiting on it for about that long.
As to the swearing I am a little immature about it.... I'll admit. I like to swear and I don't care if people don't like it. I also don't care if that seems immature. It may not be the most effective method of getting my point across, but that dude is such a condescending prick in all of his posts. He just comes into a conversation and bestowes these simplistic and obviously idiotic little pearls before us swine. Here's an awesome thing that happens on the internets (and real life sometimes too)
person 1: I think XXXXX game is shitty
person 2: I don't think so
person 1: I think XXXXX game is shitty because I had a problem with it
person 2: I didn't have a problem it, it worked nicely for me
that conversation conveyed information and didn't involve either one of the person's acting superior to the other at all. Granted neither began cussing the other out but if person 2 had followed up with something like
person 2: I'm old and I think anyone with an opinion different from mine is a little child that I despise and I'm going to criticize multiple generations based on an opinion they have formed over the launch of the video game.
I would venture to say that that is not the most effective way for him to get his rather moot point across also. In the end, an opinion about a game is an opinion about a game. Everyone is entitled to one. Pretending that you have the end-all logic of elderness that makes your opinion superior to anyone elses is sheer elitism, and I don't like it and it makes me wanna cuss people. So I do.
wow...now see....now you sound like you're intelligent and you got your point across fabulously. I like my cuss-words too, but it's different when you aim them directly at someone by calling them a name. It just comes off wrong.
In all fairness, I've encountered many players that are my age or older that are every bit as immature as any 14 year olds on the planet. As well, I've encountered many 14 year olds that are far more mature than many 30-something players.
So to that end, I suppose you have a point. The ageism thing is just as much a flawed stereotype as people that think if you play online games you must be a fat, unsociable virgin that lives in you parents basement.
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Oh please. This is total bs. Diablo 2 had totally different structure for online mode so comparing how D2 was ruined with hackers and what could have become of D3 if it had a separated offline mode is like comparing... I don't know... trains with cars maybe?
Besides, there will always be people trying to find ways to cheat and hack. D2 had dupers, WoW had dupers, D3 will have dupers. It has nothing to do with having offline mode but with how the online part was made, how it is being monitored and moderated. So please stop talking this nonsense about offline compromising online.
Personally I expected server issues. What really irks me is the goddamn fps stuttering that was present in beta AND WAS PROMISED TO BE FIXED FOR LAUNCH IS STILL HERE. I can't even post on the official forums to support the threads reporting this issue that no blue will acknowledge. And I am computer literate, I have done everything to fix this horse****
As much as I'd like to agree with you I simply don't. It is quite known that the newest generation of gamers have been surprisingly immature and it's been getting progressively worse since the casual-ication (That's not a word I know but IDK how else to explain it) of video games. Mainly CoD 4 and Halo 2-3. they really are like the backstreet boys and Birttany Spears of Video Games only they're actually good, they just brought the shitty fans with them. Basically what I'm getting at is that ever since games got to be a much more mainstream thing we've seen
A) The Dumbification of games. Game companies feel liek they now need to spoonfeed everything to a gamer because you never know who's picking up the game. Back in the older era's everything was tuaght through playing the game, now it's just "here's what you do, look we made it super simplistic and easy at the expense of complexity and functionality for the hardcore gamers." while this is good in a sense because it will allow younger kids to get mroe engaged and learn the game, it just provides a duller experience for someone like me, who understands games and likes when a game is complex and requires some serious thought.
The Risk-less approach. This is what I like to call it anyway. It's simple really, every since games became really popular and mainstream Developers have been pressured by their publishers to create a game that will sell, no matter the cost(Cost being the functionality and overall longevity and innovation in a game.) This in turn makes developers scared to go out on a limb and create that badass feature that had a 50/50 chance of succeeding and becoming the next step in a genre.
and finally C) The arrogant immature user base. Think of it this way, every games going to have the douche player base. That's pretty much with anything. the problem is when games got big, The number rose so much that it's now common place to see kids screaming "You fucking pussy, you're a fucking bitch ass nigger. Get a life you fucking scrub I owned your ass with my motherfucking AK-47. You suck dick man go back to your virgin castle in your mom's basement cause I'm sure you don't want to hear me railing her while i fuck you up." It's truly sad to think about this, but nonetheless it is happening and people are getting more immature which leads into the point of entitlement. when people buy games they're supposed to buy what appeals to them. Now adays though people just buy into a name. Thus they get angry when things are a bit different and don't play to their liking, then they rage all over a forum dedicated to fans. Not to put them off as non-fans but nobody wants their bitching plastered everywhere, when serious discussions could be made. You knew what you were buying into, if you knew it had facets you didn't like or want then why'd you buy it? Plain and simple. Know before you buy, with anything really.
So yeah I agree having a valid discussion with arguments is key. Being immature makes your statements a little less valid. But nonetheless you still have to admit that there is a certain immaturity that has been circulating and growing within the gaming community, and it's only bound to get worse.
The issue is, how easy it makes it for people to mass-duplicate and hack when the program is entirely stored on private hard drives. I played Guild Wars for the better part of 7 years and never, out of thousands of items and thousands of trades, never did I have anything poof. I never even heard anyone talk about dupes because the full-client wasn't stored on private hard drives. They had some incidents in 2007 because someone found a reconnect loophole, but it was quickly shut down.
Yes.....it's possible, but it makes it exceedingly difficult if the game is online only.
You people need to understand this.
Shake your head and say "huh uhh" all you want. Allowing people access to the same program you offer online makes for easy hacking.
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Guess it just took me thinking I was talking to someone else. Maybe I did need a 5 minute timeout XD
I think it was a perfect argument for someone throwing "people are prone to bitching" around. And yes, I knew it was going to be online only. But that doesn't mean that I have to like that fact or the fact that it's on a constant maintenance and it doesn't mean that I shouldn't not go on official forums and let blizzard know that I don't like it in hopes that they will see reason for their future plans.
You can play the tolerance all you want but if you wake up one day and suddenly find that even the god forsaken tetris requires you to have a constant internet connection and The Elder Scrolls XIV requires a daily subscription fee, you will have no one else to blame but yourself for not bitching when the industry was still not that open about not giving sh#t about customers.
All this said, my general view of the game is positive. It's fun, and it has a high production value. I realize that servers are a bit of a wildcard, so I'm being patient for the first few weeks. Objectively, the truth about this release is probably somewhere in between "WORST EVARRRR!" and "BLIZZARD IS DA BEST OR GTFO", and we should demonstrate some patience, at least for another week.
In an ideal world, everything would be functioning perfectly, but I much prefer the rocky launch to another delay in the game's already lengthy development.
Given your proficiency with grammar I imagine your skill at gaming and knowledge of computers is roughly the same.
OT: Anyone who has been with Blizzard for a while knows their launches are usually pretty bad. I've been playing wow since 07 and not once has the first hour of a product launch gone smoothly. This is something to be expected. And with Diablo 3 I haven't had any issues beyond not being able to play till around 1:30 am pst and random lag spikes that settled down rather quickly. This has been a great launch in terms of Blizzard. I am very thankful for what I've got.
http://daeity.blogsp...-exploits.html
I'll just leave this here for you to read.
Battle.net Profile / Diablo Progress Profile
Omg! You're right! Constant "fixed an exploit" patch notes didn't happen. WoW, being online only was immune to dupers, cheaters and hackers. And there is no such thing as "WoW free shards". And you couldn't play D3 beta (well, to some point) in offline mode. And we don't have D3 trainers that give you movement speed, open up map and show mobs on minimap.
Please notice how, when listing the exploits from WoW, he lists end dates. Meaning, these are simple manipulation techniques that were easily shut-down.
As well, the author essentially admits that storing the program server-side only makes it exceedingly difficult for people like him to create duplicate items when he says things like this;
"Diablo 3 will have dupe exploits and tricks as well, I have no doubt in my mind. Item duping, gold duping, point duping, or stat duping (e.g. stacking of stats).. users will always find a way."
"Blizzard has a great team of programmers but a lot of these exploits slip by. They have a limited quantity of QA Testers, and besides, they are tasked with testing the gameplay, quests, and bugs that appear in normal gaming sessions for the casual player. They don't sit there with WPE trying to exploit the game."
"Exploits are discovered over a long period of time and after thousands of players have played the game and stretched the variety of gameplay in ever which direction."
I want to add that I think this guy (and everyone like him) are fucking scumbag bottom feeders. What this piece of human garbage has essentially stated in his article is "I intend not to play the game, but rather, to spend all my time finding exploits so that I can rip you (the player) off. I intend to try my hardest to fuck you out of your real world money {and in game gold, which is worth real world money} by flooding the RMAH {and the GAH} with fake items."
/scumbag, I hope you (the author) die of colon cancer you shitstain. This hypocrite talks trash about Blizz, saying how greedy they are, yet his entire existence in-game is intended to fuck "us" over. Die in a fire you bottom-feeder.
Back on point;
In D2 the only method they had to deal with dupes was an 'after the fact' retroactive measure known as "ruststorming". What we saw in WoW was the companies ability to correct exploitative methods and prevent future incidents, not just simply erase duped items, which only hurt the victim.
I'm assuming that when dupes are identified, Bliz will track the lineage of the item back to the original source and wipe his/her account from the game. Making it difficult for exploiters to trade their phony wares. Now that Blizz has made the dubious choice to support a real money economy, they will most definitely take extreme measures in dealing with scumbags like the guy in the article you posted.
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Not different in Diablo.
1000 times this.
The more people are given, the more pissed off the become when faced with any inconvenience.
Threads of gnashing teeth and discontent have been a constant for every game that's run an internet forum at all. No matter how stellar your product and service, whiners will always find something to whine about. This isn't the aids epidemic in Africa. It's not the world ignoring systemic violence in East Timor or Rwanda. It's not poverty, famine, or flood. It's a hobby. It's not worth getting your panties ina bunch over. If there's an interruption in service, play a console game, read a book, masturbate, call your mom, play some frisbee, catch a workout, watch TV. There's nothing here worth getting ulcers over.
Chill out.
This x 1000
I remember loading cassettes on my spectrum, waiting 20 minutes patiently and then a load error, start again.... I don't care if I sound like an old man, people these don't know what they have! Back in my day etc etc