Is it just me or does it seem like people would rather buy from third party pieces of s*%: than from eachother?? Makes absolutely no sense.
Agreed, I'd rather pay safely and securely and not get jipped, but people seem to think its a bad think. And No skill points is Evolving, Now you can respec when ever you want plus its awesome they are already at maxed lvl. The only way to upgrade them now is by using runes which is fine to me, No AP is amazing i hated having the same cookie cutter build in D2 always enough str for gear then good Dex for block then pumped into Vit that's not customization thats shit. They are completely correct in doing this. They stated a perfect reason for no charms AT RELEASE I MIGHT ADD! They said they were lackluster and boring, They said they wanted to revam,p the system but won't have it out in time for release, which means they'll release it either in a patch or expansion which is fine with me because we are still getting it.
How about not paying at all? How about Blizzard suing these sites? How about Blizzard banning the accounts of buyers? I laugh at people who got scammed paying for gear when they know it's illegal.
You say free respecs like it's a good thing. There's basically no consequences for changing your skills on the fly. Besides from runes (if they get revised) but eventually you'll probably have a rune in each skill anyway. It turns the game into use these skills to kill this boss, then use a different skill combo to deal with mobs. You have a generic character that can be used in any situation. I would prefer the extra challenge of making your build work for mobs that it isn't wholly intended for.
No skill choice? I believe my signature is a good response.No attribute choices: This has been justified by the fact that in Diablo 2 there was a simple system that everyone used them for. As Jay Wilson said:
Official Blizzard Quote:
If you want to know how to build pretty much any character in Diablo 2, you take as much Str as you need to wear the armor though you're targeting, and that's normally around 120 or 220 depending on what type of armor.You take 75 Dex because that's the amount you generally need for good block percentages.You take no energy at all, there's like one type of build you can make or a sorc that uses energy shield..Then you put everything else into Vit.That's a shitty customization system.. like, that's just not a good system.
No Charms: Charms add nothing to the game that gear can't add. They rather put the extra stats into gear that have you lug around charms no matter where you hold them. This has been said by Blizzard.Currency Auction House: Blizzard won't be selling items, there will be level requirements to use the AH, and last and certainly not least, it would have happened through an unsafe, unjust, undeserving of the money third party vendor anyway. Blizzard's choice on this lets them put some kind of limitations onto it to make it work, rather than just letting thrid party sites farm and sell players over priced items. Not only that by the players form the economy, so if items are over priced and no one buys, than the price will come down. Economics 101.
Which would you prefer? Choosing only runes to customise your skills, or customising all of your skills and traits with points alongside runes. It's obvious which option has more customisation. The attributes in D2 were rubbish. We have a much better attribute system in D3, where each attribute means something for every character. The items only require levels. If they actually spent the time balancing for radically different builds we could have the extra customisation of having really crazy builds. As it stands, the only way we can customise is through items and runes. Charms are not necessary but it's still extra customisation. Like you might want some armour with good specs, but it gives you attributes you don't like. Now if the armour gave no extra stats, and you had charms, you could choose the stats you like and still wear the armour.
Blizzard could sue third party sites and ban sellers and buyers.
DII>DIII already because the new auction house is rubbish. youll have more gold farmers and dupers than ever unless they compensate with crappy game mechanics like soul binding and crap like that.
ill look forward to buying all the top end gears and then pwning your ass in pvp.
edit: lemme take a few steps back before ppl get the wrong idea. in terms of release, d2 sounded much better than d3 so far. also, if u thought spam and bots were bad in d2, enjoy servers filled with bots. and before you say that 'they cant get bots and hacks in d3!!' they can and will; whether bots or sweatshop gold farmers.
The new auction house is great, there will not be any Duper's it wont be possible to dupe with the new Battle Net 2.0, you also don't know how bot's will turn out in Diablo 3, I don't think it will be anything like Diablo 2, we will have to wait and see though, ofcourse there will be some gold farmer's, there is in every game, Diablo 2 included, stop living in your plastic bubble and get a dose of reality
"ill look forward to buying all the top end gears and then pwning your ass in pvp."
By the time the auction house is flooded with any decent top end-gears I myself will already be level 60 getting same drops if not better ( people still seem to be assuming the auction house will be flooded with top-end set's the second the game is released)
Either way, I'd probably still beat you with a crap set, because skill > gear
If you want to play D2/LOD with better graphics you should play Torchlight, honestly. I'm very excited for every Diablo 3 aspect that has been revealed so far.. a little nervous about some, but excited. You can't really expect some tremendous resemblance between the two games, their release dates are over 10 years apart and RPGs have changed.
I think it's totally and utterly bizarre that someone with StarCraft in their name and logo is making this argument.
You should know better.
SC1 came out in 1998.
SC2 came out in 2010.
12 years. Yet SC2 is REMARKABLY similar to SC1! Some reviewers even openly criticised it for that! It's definitely the same visual style, the same audio style, the same sort of plot, and most importantly, the gameplay is virtually identical. There are no changes as big as removing skillpoints and stat points, or adding an RMAH.
Yet you are arguing that because D3 is coming out 11 years after it D2, it's totally unreasonable to expect it to be similar, and we're all big jerks who should go play Torchlight (which is actually more like Diablo 1 with no bugs and WoW-style graphics).
I mean what? 12 years is fine for SC, but 11 is too long for Diablo... And don't try and tell me it's because RTSes haven't changed. DoW1/2 and CoH totally changed RTSes forever in the period in-between SC1 and SC2. Whereas isometric ARPGs are still imitating D2.
I was simply focusing on RPGs when posting that. Yes, of course BW and SC2 and exceedingly similar, but it is a completely different genres. SC is an e-sport, the risk of changing game systems and mechanics is far greater. Blizzard simply does not have to worry about that because they have far more leeway in D3. I think to a certain extent (skill system, runes, ah, etc etc) this is true.
Also, when the op described his desire for a d3 that felt like d2 with better graphics I think TL is the perfect suggestion. I'm surprised anyone who played TL can refute the almost creepy resemblance to D2. It essentially is the game but with better graphics. I guess all it's really missing is a decent story and mplayer - still think it's a big mistake didnt get TL2 out by the summer.
I said this before in another thread, I forget the context,
but Diablo 3 is going to feel more like a diablo game than any other game previously in existence.
It is going to epitomize what a diablo game SHOULD be, and I am so grateful its not going to be anything like diablo 2
I was hoping for a newer version and better graphics to DII/LOD but I just don't think that DIII is it.
It looks like to me that they went out of their way to NOT make the chrs like DII.
I hope I am wrong but the only thing I see that resembles DII is just how dark they can make the game.
That was the only thing I hated about DII and the only thing they kept.
I hope I am wrong and I will be buying it but it just looks like a new game with the Diablo name on it.
maybe they should call it wowablo.
Are you seriously saying that you just want to play D2 again with better graphics? I don't even know how to respond to that...
People like that need to just wait for Torchlight 2.
A cease and desist is almost always enough to shut down a site. People get scared and are never willing to fight it.
It's sad you believe this is true.
They know that Blizzard isn't going to be able shut them down on a massive scale, especially the ones out of the country. What you think is true is asinine and not how the real world works. Seriously, Blizzard can go after all the third party websites and then end up ruining themselves I guess if that's what you want. Too bad for you they know what a good financial decision is and won't.
A cease and desist is almost always enough to shut down a site. People get scared and are never willing to fight it.
It's sad you believe this is true.
They know that Blizzard isn't going to be able shut them down on a massive scale, especially the ones out of the country. What you think is true is asinine and not how the real world works. Seriously, Blizzard can go after all the third party websites and then end up ruining themselves I guess if that's what you want. Too bad for you they know what a good financial decision is and won't.
A cease and desist is almost always enough to shut down a site. People get scared and are never willing to fight it.
It's sad you believe this is true.
They know that Blizzard isn't going to be able shut them down on a massive scale, especially the ones out of the country. What you think is true is asinine and not how the real world works. Seriously, Blizzard can go after all the third party websites and then end up ruining themselves I guess if that's what you want. Too bad for you they know what a good financial decision is and won't.
Cool story.
I guess it's hard for some people to realize their childish beliefs are wrong.
A cease and desist is almost always enough to shut down a site. People get scared and are never willing to fight it.
It's sad you believe this is true.
They know that Blizzard isn't going to be able shut them down on a massive scale, especially the ones out of the country. What you think is true is asinine and not how the real world works. Seriously, Blizzard can go after all the third party websites and then end up ruining themselves I guess if that's what you want. Too bad for you they know what a good financial decision is and won't.
Cool story.
I guess it's hard for some people to realize their childish beliefs are wrong.
I was hoping for a newer version and better graphics to DII/LOD but I just don't think that DIII is it.
It looks like to me that they went out of their way to NOT make the chrs like DII.
I hope I am wrong but the only thing I see that resembles DII is just how dark they can make the game.
That was the only thing I hated about DII and the only thing they kept.
I hope I am wrong and I will be buying it but it just looks like a new game with the Diablo name on it.
maybe they should call it wowablo.
Honestly, your train of thought is quite ridiculous.
You may as well say. 'Why isn't Diablo 2 like Diablo 1? There are totally new characters in 2 and they are not the same as in 1. Diablo was a dark game and 2 also looks dark, which sucks cause that sucked about 1. Diablo 2 is almost a new game, and I expected Diablo 1 with better graphics.'
Seriously? That is so moronic, I can't even begin to understand the point of your post...
Diablo 1 used spell books. 2 used skill trees, unique to each class.
Diablo 1 had a save and continue method. 2 had waypoints to save your progress, not the game.
Diablo 1 was a dungeon crawl. 2 had you roaming across all sorts of landscapes.
Diablo 1 had randomized quests. 2 followed a linear story progression.
Diablo 1 had magical items and elixirs. 2 added sets, as well as crafting, charms, and sockets for runes, jewels, and gems.
Diablo 2 then also added, the horadric cube, a stash, more extensive gambling, more enemy types, and many more smaller additions.
If you'd actually look at facts then you'd clearly see that there is as large a gap between Diablo 2 and 3 as there was between 1 and 2.
Are you seriously saying that you just want to play D2 again with better graphics? I don't even know how to respond to that...
This kind of bullshit exists in the Starcraft community and it's even worse. (In relation to Starcraft: Brood War fans who think that SC2 is too radically different from SC1 despite being one of the most conservative sequels to an RTS game of all time).
Blizzard game fans tend to be absolutely obnoxious and unforgiving about change. Many of them latch onto insignificant details such as specific economic game systems, or the exact ways that the controls for a game work, or changes in the graphical style. They then parade around the interwebz claiming that Feature X, Y, and Z are responsible for the greatness of past Blizzard games.
I find it disturbing the complete lack of trust that Blizzard's fans exhibit. It's like the Diablo community is trying to demoralize the developers and just make them stop wanting to develop the game. Blizzard always pulls through with a superior product in the end, and yet they never gain the trust of most gamers. It's a sad day when the Call of Duty series has a more loyal fanbase than the Diablo and Starcraft series do...
I fully expect that a few years after Diablo 3's release, it will be as loved and well respected by Blizzard fans as their other games are. I would personally bet on it.
This kind of bullshit exists in the Starcraft community and it's even worse. (In relation to Starcraft: Brood War fans who think that SC2 is too radically different from SC1 despite being one of the most conservative sequels to an RTS game of all time).
Blizzard game fans tend to be absolutely obnoxious and unforgiving about change. Many of them latch onto insignificant details such as specific economic game systems, or the exact ways that the controls for a game work, or changes in the graphical style. They then parade around the interwebz claiming that Feature X, Y, and Z are responsible for the greatness of past Blizzard games.
I find it disturbing the complete lack of trust that Blizzard's fans exhibit. It's like the Diablo community is trying to demoralize the developers and just make them stop wanting to develop the game. Blizzard always pulls through with a superior product in the end, and yet they never gain the trust of most gamers. It's a sad day when the Call of Duty series has a more loyal fanbase than the Diablo and Starcraft series do...
I fully expect that a few years after Diablo 3's release, it will be as loved and well respected by Blizzard fans as their other games are. I would personally bet on it.
Yeah, this isn't StarCraft. This is in a totally different genre designed by a different team (believe it or not), and I don't think many people get that.
I think the reason why people attack Blizzard so eagerly, is because they tend to try and revolutionize in the gaming department. Most of the time they go for what is better and new, rather than what works.
And I like what you said there at the end. I remember a lot of people hated Diablo 2 before it came out. 11 years later it's considered one of the best games that shaped in its genre, if not one of the best PC games of its time. Go figure, 11 years later and here we are again.
No charms despite already having a better system in place (talisman)
Legalised P2W
The game shouldn't be devolving at all.
Devolving? There is more skill choice in Diablo 3 then in Diablo 2, the attribute system wasn't a fun/good mechanic in Diablo 2, Charms... they want to do this right and not delay the game any further, do you really want a not perfected mechanic or wait a bit for it to be added at some point in the future?
People don't like big changes to mechanics they feel safe with, that doesn't mean the new mechanic isn't better.
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How about not paying at all? How about Blizzard suing these sites? How about Blizzard banning the accounts of buyers? I laugh at people who got scammed paying for gear when they know it's illegal.
You say free respecs like it's a good thing. There's basically no consequences for changing your skills on the fly. Besides from runes (if they get revised) but eventually you'll probably have a rune in each skill anyway. It turns the game into use these skills to kill this boss, then use a different skill combo to deal with mobs. You have a generic character that can be used in any situation. I would prefer the extra challenge of making your build work for mobs that it isn't wholly intended for.
Which would you prefer? Choosing only runes to customise your skills, or customising all of your skills and traits with points alongside runes. It's obvious which option has more customisation. The attributes in D2 were rubbish. We have a much better attribute system in D3, where each attribute means something for every character. The items only require levels. If they actually spent the time balancing for radically different builds we could have the extra customisation of having really crazy builds. As it stands, the only way we can customise is through items and runes. Charms are not necessary but it's still extra customisation. Like you might want some armour with good specs, but it gives you attributes you don't like. Now if the armour gave no extra stats, and you had charms, you could choose the stats you like and still wear the armour.
Blizzard could sue third party sites and ban sellers and buyers.
The new auction house is great, there will not be any Duper's it wont be possible to dupe with the new Battle Net 2.0, you also don't know how bot's will turn out in Diablo 3, I don't think it will be anything like Diablo 2, we will have to wait and see though, ofcourse there will be some gold farmer's, there is in every game, Diablo 2 included, stop living in your plastic bubble and get a dose of reality
"ill look forward to buying all the top end gears and then pwning your ass in pvp."
By the time the auction house is flooded with any decent top end-gears I myself will already be level 60 getting same drops if not better ( people still seem to be assuming the auction house will be flooded with top-end set's the second the game is released)
Either way, I'd probably still beat you with a crap set, because skill > gear
You may need glasses.
I was simply focusing on RPGs when posting that. Yes, of course BW and SC2 and exceedingly similar, but it is a completely different genres. SC is an e-sport, the risk of changing game systems and mechanics is far greater. Blizzard simply does not have to worry about that because they have far more leeway in D3. I think to a certain extent (skill system, runes, ah, etc etc) this is true.
Also, when the op described his desire for a d3 that felt like d2 with better graphics I think TL is the perfect suggestion. I'm surprised anyone who played TL can refute the almost creepy resemblance to D2. It essentially is the game but with better graphics. I guess all it's really missing is a decent story and mplayer - still think it's a big mistake didnt get TL2 out by the summer.
http://huntersc.tv
Yes, Blizzard wold profit greatly from going to court for every third party seller there is.
You have no idea how the real world works do you?
http://huntersc.tv
but Diablo 3 is going to feel more like a diablo game than any other game previously in existence.
It is going to epitomize what a diablo game SHOULD be, and I am so grateful its not going to be anything like diablo 2
People like that need to just wait for Torchlight 2.
A cease and desist is almost always enough to shut down a site. People get scared and are never willing to fight it.
It really did.
*edited for clarification
It's sad you believe this is true.
They know that Blizzard isn't going to be able shut them down on a massive scale, especially the ones out of the country. What you think is true is asinine and not how the real world works. Seriously, Blizzard can go after all the third party websites and then end up ruining themselves I guess if that's what you want. Too bad for you they know what a good financial decision is and won't.
Cool story.
I guess it's hard for some people to realize their childish beliefs are wrong.
lol, please stop posting.
You may as well say. 'Why isn't Diablo 2 like Diablo 1? There are totally new characters in 2 and they are not the same as in 1. Diablo was a dark game and 2 also looks dark, which sucks cause that sucked about 1. Diablo 2 is almost a new game, and I expected Diablo 1 with better graphics.'
Seriously? That is so moronic, I can't even begin to understand the point of your post...
Diablo 1 used spell books. 2 used skill trees, unique to each class.
Diablo 1 had a save and continue method. 2 had waypoints to save your progress, not the game.
Diablo 1 was a dungeon crawl. 2 had you roaming across all sorts of landscapes.
Diablo 1 had randomized quests. 2 followed a linear story progression.
Diablo 1 had magical items and elixirs. 2 added sets, as well as crafting, charms, and sockets for runes, jewels, and gems.
Diablo 2 then also added, the horadric cube, a stash, more extensive gambling, more enemy types, and many more smaller additions.
If you'd actually look at facts then you'd clearly see that there is as large a gap between Diablo 2 and 3 as there was between 1 and 2.
This kind of bullshit exists in the Starcraft community and it's even worse. (In relation to Starcraft: Brood War fans who think that SC2 is too radically different from SC1 despite being one of the most conservative sequels to an RTS game of all time).
Blizzard game fans tend to be absolutely obnoxious and unforgiving about change. Many of them latch onto insignificant details such as specific economic game systems, or the exact ways that the controls for a game work, or changes in the graphical style. They then parade around the interwebz claiming that Feature X, Y, and Z are responsible for the greatness of past Blizzard games.
I find it disturbing the complete lack of trust that Blizzard's fans exhibit. It's like the Diablo community is trying to demoralize the developers and just make them stop wanting to develop the game. Blizzard always pulls through with a superior product in the end, and yet they never gain the trust of most gamers. It's a sad day when the Call of Duty series has a more loyal fanbase than the Diablo and Starcraft series do...
I fully expect that a few years after Diablo 3's release, it will be as loved and well respected by Blizzard fans as their other games are. I would personally bet on it.
Yeah, this isn't StarCraft. This is in a totally different genre designed by a different team (believe it or not), and I don't think many people get that.
I think the reason why people attack Blizzard so eagerly, is because they tend to try and revolutionize in the gaming department. Most of the time they go for what is better and new, rather than what works.
And I like what you said there at the end. I remember a lot of people hated Diablo 2 before it came out. 11 years later it's considered one of the best games that shaped in its genre, if not one of the best PC games of its time. Go figure, 11 years later and here we are again.
Devolving? There is more skill choice in Diablo 3 then in Diablo 2, the attribute system wasn't a fun/good mechanic in Diablo 2, Charms... they want to do this right and not delay the game any further, do you really want a not perfected mechanic or wait a bit for it to be added at some point in the future?
People don't like big changes to mechanics they feel safe with, that doesn't mean the new mechanic isn't better.