There will never ever be such post. It's like directly giving botters a hint on how to avoid bans. Security is always a secret.
That is the policy of fear...
Never let anyone know what either by action or omission may lead to retaliation and claim to do it in the interest of everyone's safety so people live in permanent fear of doing anything at all while blaming the victims because well... they surely have done something to deserve it haven't they?
Don't get me wrong, it works really well. Even today some government bodies have it down to a T. However I would sincerely recommend to weigh in the implications before embracing it so wholeheartedly.
And how is blizzard supposed to fight botters? Botters were roaming for WAAAAY TOO LONG. WAAAAAAAAAAY TOO LONG. In season 5 botting went out of control completely. The anti-botting threads were endless. ENDLESS. Like, dozens of threads every day where legit players cried rivers. It was impossible to compete in such atmosphere. I gave up playing "seriously" in november-december 2015, this is when i realized i can't compete with botters anymore.
And then Gabynator got 3400 paragons on new account in season 5, waking up with 500 grift keys every day.
Maybe Blizzard overacted a lot, but this is the only way. They only way is to act strong and do,massive, repetitive banwaves.
To make botting/macroing/thudding a very dangerous idea.
Of cause innocent will suffer for sure, you know. There's always innocent. But there's always more who "pretend to be innocent", ones who "did nutin that season and got banan"
And how is blizzard supposed to fight botters? Botters were roaming for WAAAAY TOO LONG. WAAAAAAAAAAY TOO LONG. In season 5 botting went out of control completely. The anti-botting threads were endless. ENDLESS. Like, dozens of threads every day where legit players cried rivers. It was impossible to compete in such atmosphere. I gave up playing "seriously" in november-december 2015, this is when i realized i can't compete with botters anymore.
And then Gabynator got 3400 paragons on new account in season 5, waking up with 500 grift keys every day.
Maybe Blizzard overacted a lot, but this is the only way. They only way is to act strong and do,massive, repetitive banwaves.
To make botting/macroing/thudding a very dangerous idea.
Of cause innocent will suffer for sure, you know. There's always innocent. But there's always more who "pretend to be innocent", ones who "did nutin that season and got banan"
To me there is no excuse to take action against someone without disclosing the evidence stacked against him/her, without an impartial third party to assess the evidence and with no recourse except a hazy, unaccountable review that will not take any further evidence provided into consideration.
Is not as much about guilt or innocence as it is about accountability or lack thereof.
And how is blizzard supposed to fight botters? Botters were roaming for WAAAAY TOO LONG. WAAAAAAAAAAY TOO LONG. In season 5 botting went out of control completely. The anti-botting threads were endless. ENDLESS. Like, dozens of threads every day where legit players cried rivers. It was impossible to compete in such atmosphere. I gave up playing "seriously" in november-december 2015, this is when i realized i can't compete with botters anymore.
And then Gabynator got 3400 paragons on new account in season 5, waking up with 500 grift keys every day.
Maybe Blizzard overacted a lot, but this is the only way. They only way is to act strong and do,massive, repetitive banwaves.
To make botting/macroing/thudding a very dangerous idea.
Of cause innocent will suffer for sure, you know. There's always innocent. But there's always more who "pretend to be innocent", ones who "did nutin that season and got banan"
To me there is no excuse to take action against someone without disclosing the evidence stacked against him/her, without an impartial third party to assess the evidence and with no recourse except a hazy, unaccountable review that will not take any further evidence provided into consideration.
Is not as much about guilt or innocence as it is about accountability or lack thereof.
If they give evidence, then this data will immidiately be transported to botters forums and spread there. DO you realize this? Botters\cheaters will then mask their programs better to avoid Warden scans and such.
And how is blizzard supposed to fight botters? Botters were roaming for WAAAAY TOO LONG. WAAAAAAAAAAY TOO LONG. In season 5 botting went out of control completely. The anti-botting threads were endless. ENDLESS. Like, dozens of threads every day where legit players cried rivers. It was impossible to compete in such atmosphere. I gave up playing "seriously" in november-december 2015, this is when i realized i can't compete with botters anymore.
And then Gabynator got 3400 paragons on new account in season 5, waking up with 500 grift keys every day.
Maybe Blizzard overacted a lot, but this is the only way. They only way is to act strong and do,massive, repetitive banwaves.
To make botting/macroing/thudding a very dangerous idea.
Of cause innocent will suffer for sure, you know. There's always innocent. But there's always more who "pretend to be innocent", ones who "did nutin that season and got banan"
To me there is no excuse to take action against someone without disclosing the evidence stacked against him/her, without an impartial third party to assess the evidence and with no recourse except a hazy, unaccountable review that will not take any further evidence provided into consideration.
Is not as much about guilt or innocence as it is about accountability or lack thereof.
If they give evidence, then this data will immidiately be transported to botters forums and spread there. DO you realize this? Botters\cheaters will then mask their programs better to avoid Warden scans and such.
I do. And then Blizzard will have to overcome this and change Warden again and so on and so forth.
This is the only way forward and out of the current toxic shroud of suspicion, mistrust and witch hunting.
We question the validity of the claims of those who present themselves as wronged and dismiss their pleas without a second thought yet we embrace, defend and proselytize a judgement borne of an opaque process that offers nothing but a semblance of appeal, all in the name of safety.
I have a healthy amount of salt for both, those who claim to suffer injustice and those who claim that their justice is beyond scrutiny.
I agree with you, however i doubt though that Blizzard will plant themselves into "grey area". It's either black or white for them. It's just efficient.
They ban cheaters and botters, if they are wrong, then they review account manually. If they are massively wrong, then they will issue apology letter. That's more than enough for everyone.
If account was manually reviewed and confirmed to be a cheater/botter then i am pretty sure it's carved in stone. And these guys appealing are hypocritical, lying pieces of junk.
I agree with you, however i doubt though that Blizzard will plant themselves into "grey area". It's either black or white for them. It's just efficient.
They ban cheaters and botters, if they are wrong, then they review account manually. If they are massively wrong, then they will issue apology letter. That's more than enough for everyone.
If account was manually reviewed and confirmed to be a cheater/botter then i am pretty sure it's carved in stone. And these guys appealing are hypocritical, lying pieces of junk.
You have too much faith in Blizzard review procedure and bot detection system. Calling innocent people to be hypocritical lying piece of junk, let me tell you this. You are a cyberbully.
We know very well that we are innocent and people like you who keep bashing on us, it makes me want to hope that one day you will get a taste of being wrongfully accused of something you didn't do. It may not be in Diablo but it could be something else in real life. When that happens, you will know how we felt.
A few of my friends already stop playing Diablo since my wrongful ban. And they are not alone. Friends of other people like myself will likely do the same to boycott Blizzard too.
Blue poster confirmed that if they state the decision is final, then they have manually reviewed the account and confirmed suspicious activity... I call bullshit on the "Never used 3rd party software". There's no such thing as false positives, just accept you fucked up and move on
Blue poster confirmed that if they state the decision is final, then they have manually reviewed the account and confirmed suspicious activity... I call bullshit on the "Never used 3rd party software". There's no such thing as false positives, just accept you fucked up and move on
Your first post is similar to alphaomegatauxxx and makes me wonder if you two are the same person.
If I have cheated I would have long moved on and forget about this. Precisely I am innocent that is why I am so persistent in my stand. You, should move on and stop bullying innocent victims like myself.
okey investigated many hours about false bans and learned this is not only blizzard's problem saw many false bans with another games such as csgo,dark souls3,etc etc and learned this if you play an online game you always under risk because there is billion softwares and these softwares running controlled or uncontrolled and yes many of them known as an unauthorized third party programs by company. problem is in my eyes (believe or not) they dont know seperate which one is good, which one is bad software and what is the solution of this? dont know actually but what can i do for this. i can play still online games with under this risk or i can play offline games.. i prefered 2nd options cos i learned online game's ruthless face..
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banned from diablo 3 14 of june by blizzard without a reason
here my last e-mail from cs.. they really investigated 4 times my account and i tried to explain my game play..but as i said before you can not safe if you have played totally legit..nothing to say
This is the ticket description: Greetings Ismail, Game Master Drieyhi here, I'm afraid I have bad news for you. Your account was reviewed once more and the result is the same. The hack team investigate in detail the accounts not only the time played, maybe another person had acccess to your account and made use of an illegal program. But your account clousure is definitive and there is no more reviews possibles. If you require any further assistance please do not hesitate to contact me, I'll be pleased to help you.
but how can someone had Access to my account. i had authenticator as well.. anyway now i am stopping to fight. i learned nothing cannot change this fact. just sorry about this i will be remember as a bot!
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banned from diablo 3 14 of june by blizzard without a reason
here my last e-mail from cs.. they really investigated 4 times my account and i tried to explain my game play..but as i said before you can not safe if you have played totally legit..nothing to say
This is the ticket description: Greetings Ismail,
Game Master Drieyhi here, I'm afraid I have bad news for you. Your account was reviewed once more and the result is the same.
The hack team investigate in detail the accounts not only the time played, maybe another person had acccess to your account and made use of an illegal program. But your account clousure is definitive and there is no more reviews possibles.
If you require any further assistance please do not hesitate to contact me, I'll be pleased to help you.
but how can someone had Access to my account. i had authenticator as well.. anyway now i am stopping to fight. i learned nothing cannot change this fact. just sorry about this i will be remember as a bot!
Whatever they are using to detect bot behaviours is totally flawed cos botters are still botting and legit players got banned instead. They don't cross reference against chat logs, social behaviour, game play behaviour, how fast they pick up loot, and how often a player pauses his game.
Best part is they don't even go through the process with us so that we can point out where could be wrong so that they can improve their system and prevent more innocent bans.
In the software security world, how do security companies handle security issues? They revealed it to the software company so that they can look into it and have it fixed. Once it is fixed, they will then reveal it to the world so that people can have the software updated.
Apparently, Blizzard don't practise this at all. No way for them to make better software to detect real bot behaviours.
I guess for innocent players like myself who got banned, we probably are just too good and familiar with the game. That is why we were flagged as bot even though we don't use any 3rd party software.
If they have game masters in the game, they can easily contact us to verify if we are botting in the game. It can be an in-game special chat window that only Blizzard can initial a chat with a player. This way players will be able to tell if it is a contact from a Blizzard representative. Just this alone will be able to cut down tremendously on false positives. Since, players like myself will always reply messages.
Anyway, no more Blizzard games for me. Don't want to go through the same shit again.
@mdbride Have you tried POE? If you have not, give it a shot. I am liking it so far. My friends who have stopped playing D3 after my incident have also switched over. They too are enjoying it. I believe you can reach end game content within 1 week. And when you do, that is only just the beginning.
There is another topic on dfans in which affected players can compare what software they had running and if there are any intersections.
I checked for me and i had f.lux and Realtek HD Audio Manager running (same as the other player in that thread). Maybe we can pinpoint it down somehow.
There seem to be another ban wave yesterday and again people are reporting false positives. Looks like Blizzard keeps banning till no non-casual player is left. Interesting strategy..
The recent ban hit me, too. Para 1800 seasonal and 2000 NS. I put alot of dedication into this game and now I get banned for using absolutely nothing. Yet they claim that I used 3rd party (code 52) software (hack, cheat or bot). I guess it's windows update or something that messes up with their warden detection software (which seem to be a mess overall).
I used a complete clean new computer this season. Nothing but Battle.net, D3 and Windows 7 installed. Not even used a browser for internet research, etc. I got my notebook for that.
It's like the most innocent false positive ban you could imagine. Still I'm banned.
And all that 9 days before season ends and I wanted to push seriously into the top 10 solo leaderboard... perfect timing for killing a deticated players motivation.
Just writing this here so any deticated player knows the ban can hit them anytime. Ridiculous but the simple truth.
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There will never ever be such post. It's like directly giving botters a hint on how to avoid bans. Security is always a secret.
http://www.angryroleplayer.com/
http://www.youtube.com/c/angryroleplayer
https://www.diablofans.com/builds/105329-2-6-7-rend-bleed-whirlwind-gr130
https://www.diablofans.com/builds/105301-2-6-7-fist-of-the-heavens-aegis-of-valor-gr110
That is the policy of fear...
Never let anyone know what either by action or omission may lead to retaliation and claim to do it in the interest of everyone's safety so people live in permanent fear of doing anything at all while blaming the victims because well... they surely have done something to deserve it haven't they?
Don't get me wrong, it works really well. Even today some government bodies have it down to a T. However I would sincerely recommend to weigh in the implications before embracing it so wholeheartedly.
And how is blizzard supposed to fight botters? Botters were roaming for WAAAAY TOO LONG. WAAAAAAAAAAY TOO LONG. In season 5 botting went out of control completely. The anti-botting threads were endless. ENDLESS. Like, dozens of threads every day where legit players cried rivers. It was impossible to compete in such atmosphere. I gave up playing "seriously" in november-december 2015, this is when i realized i can't compete with botters anymore.
And then Gabynator got 3400 paragons on new account in season 5, waking up with 500 grift keys every day.
Maybe Blizzard overacted a lot, but this is the only way. They only way is to act strong and do,massive, repetitive banwaves.
To make botting/macroing/thudding a very dangerous idea.
Of cause innocent will suffer for sure, you know. There's always innocent. But there's always more who "pretend to be innocent", ones who "did nutin that season and got banan"
http://www.angryroleplayer.com/
http://www.youtube.com/c/angryroleplayer
https://www.diablofans.com/builds/105329-2-6-7-rend-bleed-whirlwind-gr130
https://www.diablofans.com/builds/105301-2-6-7-fist-of-the-heavens-aegis-of-valor-gr110
Is not as much about guilt or innocence as it is about accountability or lack thereof.
http://www.angryroleplayer.com/
http://www.youtube.com/c/angryroleplayer
https://www.diablofans.com/builds/105329-2-6-7-rend-bleed-whirlwind-gr130
https://www.diablofans.com/builds/105301-2-6-7-fist-of-the-heavens-aegis-of-valor-gr110
This is the only way forward and out of the current toxic shroud of suspicion, mistrust and witch hunting.
We question the validity of the claims of those who present themselves as wronged and dismiss their pleas without a second thought yet we embrace, defend and proselytize a judgement borne of an opaque process that offers nothing but a semblance of appeal, all in the name of safety.
I have a healthy amount of salt for both, those who claim to suffer injustice and those who claim that their justice is beyond scrutiny.
I agree with you, however i doubt though that Blizzard will plant themselves into "grey area". It's either black or white for them. It's just efficient.
They ban cheaters and botters, if they are wrong, then they review account manually. If they are massively wrong, then they will issue apology letter. That's more than enough for everyone.
If account was manually reviewed and confirmed to be a cheater/botter then i am pretty sure it's carved in stone. And these guys appealing are hypocritical, lying pieces of junk.
http://www.angryroleplayer.com/
http://www.youtube.com/c/angryroleplayer
https://www.diablofans.com/builds/105329-2-6-7-rend-bleed-whirlwind-gr130
https://www.diablofans.com/builds/105301-2-6-7-fist-of-the-heavens-aegis-of-valor-gr110
You have too much faith in Blizzard review procedure and bot detection system. Calling innocent people to be hypocritical lying piece of junk, let me tell you this. You are a cyberbully.
We know very well that we are innocent and people like you who keep bashing on us, it makes me want to hope that one day you will get a taste of being wrongfully accused of something you didn't do. It may not be in Diablo but it could be something else in real life. When that happens, you will know how we felt.
A few of my friends already stop playing Diablo since my wrongful ban. And they are not alone. Friends of other people like myself will likely do the same to boycott Blizzard too.
EDIT: Link was broken
Blue poster confirmed that if they state the decision is final, then they have manually reviewed the account and confirmed suspicious activity... I call bullshit on the "Never used 3rd party software". There's no such thing as false positives, just accept you fucked up and move on
If I have cheated I would have long moved on and forget about this. Precisely I am innocent that is why I am so persistent in my stand. You, should move on and stop bullying innocent victims like myself.
okey investigated many hours about false bans and learned this is not only blizzard's problem saw many false bans with another games such as csgo,dark souls3,etc etc and learned this if you play an online game you always under risk because there is billion softwares and these softwares running controlled or uncontrolled and yes many of them known as an unauthorized third party programs by company. problem is in my eyes (believe or not) they dont know seperate which one is good, which one is bad software and what is the solution of this? dont know actually but what can i do for this. i can play still online games with under this risk or i can play offline games.. i prefered 2nd options cos i learned online game's ruthless face..
banned from diablo 3 14 of june by blizzard without a reason
http://imgur.com/A2BjyrL
Glad at least the knowledge of this being a problem is getting around even if its not a legit forum on the real website.
here my last e-mail from cs.. they really investigated 4 times my account and i tried to explain my game play..but as i said before you can not safe if you have played totally legit..nothing to say
This is the ticket description:
Greetings Ismail,
Game Master Drieyhi here, I'm afraid I have bad news for you. Your account was reviewed once more and the result is the same.
The hack team investigate in detail the accounts not only the time played, maybe another person had acccess to your account and made use of an illegal program. But your account clousure is definitive and there is no more reviews possibles.
If you require any further assistance please do not hesitate to contact me, I'll be pleased to help you.
but how can someone had Access to my account. i had authenticator as well.. anyway now i am stopping to fight. i learned nothing cannot change this fact. just sorry about this i will be remember as a bot!
banned from diablo 3 14 of june by blizzard without a reason
http://imgur.com/A2BjyrL
I liked this:
"no more reviews possibles"
and then
"do not hesitate to contact me"
LOL
http://www.angryroleplayer.com/
http://www.youtube.com/c/angryroleplayer
https://www.diablofans.com/builds/105329-2-6-7-rend-bleed-whirlwind-gr130
https://www.diablofans.com/builds/105301-2-6-7-fist-of-the-heavens-aegis-of-valor-gr110
Best part is they don't even go through the process with us so that we can point out where could be wrong so that they can improve their system and prevent more innocent bans.
In the software security world, how do security companies handle security issues? They revealed it to the software company so that they can look into it and have it fixed. Once it is fixed, they will then reveal it to the world so that people can have the software updated.
Apparently, Blizzard don't practise this at all. No way for them to make better software to detect real bot behaviours.
I guess for innocent players like myself who got banned, we probably are just too good and familiar with the game. That is why we were flagged as bot even though we don't use any 3rd party software.
If they have game masters in the game, they can easily contact us to verify if we are botting in the game. It can be an in-game special chat window that only Blizzard can initial a chat with a player. This way players will be able to tell if it is a contact from a Blizzard representative. Just this alone will be able to cut down tremendously on false positives. Since, players like myself will always reply messages.
Anyway, no more Blizzard games for me. Don't want to go through the same shit again.
@mdbride Have you tried POE? If you have not, give it a shot. I am liking it so far. My friends who have stopped playing D3 after my incident have also switched over. They too are enjoying it. I believe you can reach end game content within 1 week. And when you do, that is only just the beginning.
There is another topic on dfans in which affected players can compare what software they had running and if there are any intersections.
I checked for me and i had f.lux and Realtek HD Audio Manager running (same as the other player in that thread). Maybe we can pinpoint it down somehow.
So its now 3 players with Realtek HD Audio Manager. I wonder if there are more.
http://www.diablofans.com/forums/diablo-iii-general-forums/diablo-iii-general-discussion/208766-what-is-causing-ban-wave-false-positives
Since Xonar Audio Drivers got flagged by warden in Heartstone (https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/3cq5cr/guide_how_to_find_if_you_have_been_flagged/), it might be a audio driver/software such as Realtek HD Audio Manager or the Realtek audio driver itself, that gets flagged by the warden.
In addition, there have been Nvidia dlls that hook into the game and get flagged as a result and Blizzard actually admitted their error and unbanned the accounts (http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/forum/topic/18300092388)(https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/3cq5cr/guide_how_to_find_if_you_have_been_flagged/csz7hju).
okay found some hooks with diablo3.exe and found 4 hooks coming from EKTS (http://veppa.com/ekts/doc_tr.php) this is Electrical Control Techniques Simulator here 2 pics for this hooks. and dont know another 4 hooks coming from kernel. if you have any clue please tell me
http://imgur.com/a/fIfIg
banned from diablo 3 14 of june by blizzard without a reason
http://imgur.com/A2BjyrL
There seem to be another ban wave yesterday and again people are reporting false positives. Looks like Blizzard keeps banning till no non-casual player is left. Interesting strategy..
The recent ban hit me, too. Para 1800 seasonal and 2000 NS. I put alot of dedication into this game and now I get banned for using absolutely nothing. Yet they claim that I used 3rd party (code 52) software (hack, cheat or bot). I guess it's windows update or something that messes up with their warden detection software (which seem to be a mess overall).
I used a complete clean new computer this season. Nothing but Battle.net, D3 and Windows 7 installed. Not even used a browser for internet research, etc. I got my notebook for that.
It's like the most innocent false positive ban you could imagine. Still I'm banned.
And all that 9 days before season ends and I wanted to push seriously into the top 10 solo leaderboard... perfect timing for killing a deticated players motivation.
Just writing this here so any deticated player knows the ban can hit them anytime. Ridiculous but the simple truth.