IMPORTANT! Key drops REQUIRE 5 stacks of Nephalem Valor

  • #1
    Just spotted this on the Blue Tracker and wanted to get it some exposure.

    This is highly important as it is not apparant it is a waste of time to try killing the wardens without getting 5 stacks. Then you only get a CHANCE at the key. This was never communicated until now and I now understand why I had such piss poor luck of farming all night.

    Originally Posted by (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)



    Currently, both the keys and the demonic organ pieces (Vengeful Eye, Devil's Fang, and Writhing Spine) have higher chances to drop in higher MP levels, all the way up to 100% in MP10.

    I don't want to weigh in on the current argument of whether or not drop chances should be affected by Monster Power level just yet. Obviously, we think it's a good idea and worth trying out, but if you feel differently, then I'd definitely like for you to continue discussing your thoughts on that topic. If you don't like it, tell us why. (Or, if you DO like it, be sure to weigh in too.)


    09/25/2012 02:38 PMPosted by Horus
    I killed the act 3 keywarden on MP 10 once and the key didn't drop. (didn't have any NV stack though)


    You'll need five stacks of NV in order for the keys and the demonic organ pieces to drop.

    We felt this was a reasonable requirement, otherwise players could simply farm the keys in a lower MP, then set their game to MP10 and farm bosses for guaranteed drops. With the five stack, players will at least need to be able to kill monsters in that MP level in order to benefit from the increased organ drop chance.


    09/26/2012 12:30 PMPosted by fBSunny
    Are you saying that unless you have five stacks of NV keywardens will not ever drop keys?


    Yup. (Or, at least that's how it's designed to work. If players are getting keys without the five stack, then that's likely a bug.)
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  • #2
    They probably knew there would be a discussion involved if they had explained stuff like that in the patch notes.
  • #3
    Earlier this afternoon, I had a key drop from the Act III Warden while running beginning of Act III (siege of bastion's keep/turning the tide) before 5 stacks -- so somewhat confuzzled by this blue post. In fact, based on where I found him, you wouldn't even have a chance to build 5 stacks -- so:

    A ) I can accept that it was a bug that the key dropped without 5 stacks but . . .
    B ) this would be an extremely silly place to put the Warden in the Act if 5 stacks is a requirement.
  • #4
    Blue posters are lying a lot. I remember Bashiok saying ilvl 62 and 63 drop in act 1 in the release version, just at a very low rate. He also mentioned, party play should make inferno easier in regards of no damage increase per additional player. That was all stuff which was added in a later patch.
    So since then I don't believe them any word.
  • #5
    Quote from Emberos

    Earlier this afternoon, I had a key drop from the Act III Warden while running beginning of Act III (siege of bastion's keep/turning the tide) before 5 stacks -- so somewhat confuzzled by this blue post. In fact, based on where I found him, you wouldn't even have a chance to build 5 stacks -- so:

    A ) I can accept that it was a bug that the key dropped without 5 stacks but . . .
    B ) this would be an extremely silly place to put the Warden in the Act if 5 stacks is a requirement.


    And who said you need to kill him just cause you see him when you don't have 5 stacks?
    You can bypass him you know?
  • #6
    Quote from Emberos

    Earlier this afternoon, I had a key drop from the Act III Warden while running beginning of Act III (siege of bastion's keep/turning the tide) before 5 stacks -- so somewhat confuzzled by this blue post. In fact, based on where I found him, you wouldn't even have a chance to build 5 stacks -- so:

    A ) I can accept that it was a bug that the key dropped without 5 stacks but . . .
    B ) this would be an extremely silly place to put the Warden in the Act if 5 stacks is a requirement.


    Based on the last part Lylirra said implies you may have run into a bug. It's either that or she's got out dated information.
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  • #7
    Yeah I saw this earlier this morning. I think it's a really odd design choice if it's true.
  • #8
    Quote from Trance

    And who said you need to kill him just cause you see him when you don't have 5 stacks?
    You can bypass him you know?


    I didn't say there wasn't a way around it. Just said it would be an extremely silly place to put him. Why would you put him in a place where you had to bypass, backtrack, etc, etc. It's just bad game design / location if this is a bug and it does require 5 stacks for the key to drop.

    Yes, also aware that you could also load a later quest and port around to get 5 stacks but it just seems a bit counter-intuitive is all.
  • #9
    pretty sure I have seen people getting keys without 5 stacks, on a few streams....

    I would REALLY like to know exactly whats going on.
  • #10
    Quote from Emberos

    I didn't say there wasn't a way around it. Just said it would be an extremely silly place to put him. Why would you put him in a place where you had to bypass, backtrack, etc, etc. It's just bad game design / location if this is a bug and it does require 5 stacks for the key to drop.


    From what I've seen of the Keywardens in my time farming them is that they have random spawn locations all across the maps they are in. At the very least, the Act 2 Keywarden does.
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  • #11
    Act 3 key warden always spawns in stone front, right? You can go elsewhere to grab your 5 stacks, or start with the first zone before going to stone front.

    So for a 100% drop you need 5 NV and MP 10.
    For a non-zero drop chance you need 5 NV and MP > 0?

    Do they even spawn at MP = 0?
    My monk Vin
  • #12

    Originally Posted by (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

    Currently, both the keys and the demonic organ pieces (Vengeful Eye, Devil's Fang, and Writhing Spine) have higher chances to drop in higher MP levels, all the way up to 100% in MP10. [...] You'll need five stacks of NV in order for the keys and the demonic organ pieces to drop.

    Please, consider using brain to read things properly.
    You need 5NV stacks to have 100% while MP10. But you can get it in any circumstances, just without 100% chance.
  • #13

    Originally Posted by (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

    You'll need five stacks of NV in order for the keys and the demonic organ pieces to drop.

    Means they will not drop at all without NV. So either that blue poster is misinformed or it is a bug.
  • #14
    Do you know meaning of such thing as context?
  • #15
    what is unclear about:


    Quote

    09/26/2012 12:30 PMPosted by fBSunny
    Are you saying that unless you have five stacks of NV keywardens will not ever drop keys?


    Yup. (Or, at least that's how it's designed to work. If players are getting keys without the five stack, then that's likely a bug.)

    Pretty sure that's all the context we need. Maybe YOU need to pause and read.
  • #16
    Quote from Grigori

    Originally Posted by (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

    Currently, both the keys and the demonic organ pieces (Vengeful Eye, Devil's Fang, and Writhing Spine) have higher chances to drop in higher MP levels, all the way up to 100% in MP10. [...] You'll need five stacks of NV in order for the keys and the demonic organ pieces to drop.

    Please, consider using brain to read things properly.
    You need 5NV stacks to have 100% while MP10. But you can get it in any circumstances, just without 100% chance.


    What is wrong with people today? Why must you go off on people for talking about what Blizzard employees have stated. Please read the thread before insulting everyone in the thread.


    You'll need five stacks of NV in order for the keys and the demonic organ pieces to drop.

    We felt this was a reasonable requirement, otherwise players could simply farm the keys in a lower MP, then set their game to MP10 and farm bosses for guaranteed drops. With the five stack, players will at least need to be able to kill monsters in that MP level in order to benefit from the increased organ drop chance.


    In case you want another quote....

    If players are getting keys without the five stack, then that's likely a bug.)


    //edit: I R slow
  • #17
    Quote from Grigori

    Do you know meaning of such thing as context?


    You don't even need context for that single phrase I quoted to get what the blue poster meant to say, it is obvious. There is no variable in that sentence depending on any context nor are there any references to the phrase regarding the MP.
  • #18
    Do they drop on MP0?
  • #19
    Quote from Ruppgu

    //edit: I R slow


    no, you were just more thorough :)
  • #20
    Quote from medozg

    Do they drop on MP0?

    If the keys drop at a % chance for each MP level, up to 100 at MP 10, it's likely that MP0 = 0% chance, MP1 = 10% chance.
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