Haha, well the loop is still going strong - ban, new bots comes along - ban. Will allways be like that Good they catched some of it tho.
But I am a bit surprised to see you people here write about "salty tears" and "miserable" bot users. After a good amount of reading on the biggest bot forum it seems like people are shrugging their shoulders about it. If anything you people seem to be the most salty (not today tho)
Its pretty much targeting anyone botting in the leaderboards it seems more so. Sure a bunch of streamers, but there are plenty of friends who bot on my list who didn't get hit and some who did. The ones who did were on the leaderboards. The rest haven't pushed solo yet they have been botting 4 mans and none of their 4 accounts got hit.
Waiting for a NON-SEASONAL banwave as well. I logged in and checked, botters on my friend list are offline, but chars all there. They are scared to death i believe.
That girl botter has been botting from two accounts by the way. I checked her previous account and it's gone. Her latest account (the one she used to bot s5 with) is still there. That's pretty strange that she escaped.
What's really great about this banwave is timing. It's impeccable, absolutely perfect; just a few weeks before the end of the season. It will hopefully give some of the legit players who quit because of botters an incentive to come back (though I believe it's too late for many, it seems like Quin is going to stay with PoE for good this time). They should've done this in S3/S4 as well, as everyone was waiting for it, and we would've never even arrived at this state - but at least this time they got the timing right. I think everyone saw in the example of Gabynator's first ban in September 2015 that an early ban does nothing - he came back and still got rank #1s, just botting on his new account.
The most important point of this banwave though is the message: Blizzard finally stood up to it's ToS and showed initiative. For the first time in over a year this was a major banwave against botters. If you listen to the background Teamspeak discussion on any of the SoS guys' videos from yesterday (Gaby, Chainer) you can hear them say "I played legit for so many seasons but they never did anything, so I started botting because everyone did it". That's why they should've done this earlier - many top players either quit or started botting, and that's because there was no action in Season 3 and Season 4. Let's hope this improves the situation in Season 6 (more legit players coming back and more botters stopping to bot). Let's be clear about it: banning at the beginning of the season does nothing. All those guys have multiple accounts (don't ask me why, but they were all admitting they do on said Teamspeak discussion), and if you're a top player you don't care about a new game license for a few bucks anyways. But knowing that if you bot from the beginning of Season 6 might get you banned towards the end - including a wipe of all your records - will make at least some people think twice about botting in Season 6. What's most powerful in stopping people from botting is not even the ban itself, but the fear of being banned just before you can reap your rewards.
That being said, not everything's perfectly good now. It was a first step, but they didn't catch all of them - not nearly. Again, aforementioned TS discussion was so interesting to listen to, as in the background you can hear people say "I botted like crazy and didn't get banned". Also, in the hours after the banwave they went through clan and communities rosters and friends lists and were wondering why certain people were online (as opposed to being banned). This holds also true for my personal experience; I talked to a lot of people yesterday who were happy about the ban wave, but everyone knew a lot of people (both casuals and high-profile players) who are botters, yet didn't get banned. It seems as if Blizzard manually confirmed every case before executing the bans, or is maybe banning in waves, or maybe is online banning a selection of botters, by whichever criterion.
A last point that was already discussed on Reddit is the fact that we have a lot of fragmented teams on the leaderboards now, and some people argue that the entire group record should be wiped if one of the people in the group was banned for botting. There was quite a lot of pushback; however, I think this should be the case. It's like in relay races at the Olympics: If any of the participants gets banned for doping, the entire team loses its medals. Note the difference: the other team members do not get banned, but they need to re-earn their 2 player/3 player/4 player record, because their existing record was achieved by the help of "cheaters". The argument against this is that it would punish those people who might not have known about their team mates being cheaters. I personally argue that this is very unlikely. Most groups on the leaderboards, and I would suspect 100% of the groups in the top 100, know each other - they are either clan mates or have each other on the friends list. In that case, you know if someone is botting or not. If you spent hours and days of flipping rifts you will eventually have to farm TX for keys, and if one of your team members never participates in the TX key farming - well, it's at least highly suspicious. People at the top of the leaderboard aren't dumb, they know what's happening.
Well, let's see where we go from here. It's a good start, a sign of life from Blizzard. The ship has sailed for many players, but at least they're not done with the competition entirely and seem to care about their game. It's going to be interesting to see what happens in Season 6: how the community reacts, if the amount of botters will go down, and if they repeat this ban wave to catch more bad guys (as plenty of them are still out there).
Yesterday I was 832nd on the list with grift 78 in 14:45.333 at EU seasonal solo barb leaderboards. I see Im 821st now. I must say I'm surprised that EU servers have so many legit barbs. In US I would be in top 500 for sure.
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I checked some data and i think only "old" accounts were banned. By "old" i mean those who botted like 2 months ago. The girl streamer second account is alive (the original is banned). Gabynator hasn't botted for like 2 last weeks (was scared), yet he indeed is banned, and he botted like crazy since season start.
I have my doubts about Chainer too. I absolutely ain't gonna accuse anyone here, but i am 99% sure he botted like crazy this season. Yet his account is fine.
I think bans happened based on some "old data", collected from previous months.
This is why you see some botters are still untouched. I guess some accounts simply had less or earlier botting "uptime" than the others.
I mean i personally have 3 friends who have botted since day 3 of season 24/7 unless dc'd randomly overnight or something happened w/e. One got hit on 1 of 4 accounts. Other 2 have all 4 accounts each still running atm.
The only difference between the 3 people is the 1 of 4 that got banned was in top ~15 of his class(not sure he tried a few weeks ago) and the other 2 accounts only spammed 4 man 94s for exp and didn't have leaderboard ranks of any kind. Just like the guy who had 1 of 4 banned his 3 other accounts only did 4 man no leaderboards to speak of but all 3 people botted 24/7 since day 3 of season.
I just wish I knew why some didn't get and some did. We obviously just won't know everything. I just hope they finally ban each season to deter botting. Seeing as this is the first real ban wave for bots during a season since the end of season 1(which really hit like no one).
Nobody's posting anything on the THUD forums but I'll let you know when I get home from work if I'm banned and/or the length of time of it.
I'm still able to log in just fine (and I'm too lazy to be bothered with the whole "secondary windows account that only has access to D3 and nothing else"). All the people I know of who only use THUD and not bots are able to login just fine as well.
i
know quite a few botters that didet get hit - but thay havent been
playing for a long time - thay need to ban 1-2 weeks after new season to
hit more cheaters.
You do it too early and
they'll just get new accounts and keep going, meaning Blizzard would
have to regularly ban (something they've historically never done to my
knowledge).
I mean i personally have 3 friends who have botted since day 3 of season 24/7 unless dc'd randomly overnight or something happened w/e. One got hit on 1 of 4 accounts. Other 2 have all 4 accounts each still running atm.
Too bad no one banned you. Knowing of botters and not reporting... Vnice kid
What's really great about this banwave is timing. It's impeccable, absolutely perfect; just a few weeks before the end of the season. It will hopefully give some of the legit players who quit because of botters an incentive to come back (though I believe it's too late for many, it seems like Quin is going to stay with PoE for good this time). They should've done this in S3/S4 as well, as everyone was waiting for it, and we would've never even arrived at this state - but at least this time they got the timing right. I think everyone saw in the example of Gabynator's first ban in September 2015 that an early ban does nothing - he came back and still got rank #1s, just botting on his new account.
The most important point of this banwave though is the message: Blizzard finally stood up to it's ToS and showed initiative. For the first time in over a year this was a major banwave against botters. If you listen to the background Teamspeak discussion on any of the SoS guys' videos from yesterday (Gaby, Chainer) you can hear them say "I played legit for so many seasons but they never did anything, so I started botting because everyone did it". That's why they should've done this earlier - many top players either quit or started botting, and that's because there was no action in Season 3 and Season 4. Let's hope this improves the situation in Season 6 (more legit players coming back and more botters stopping to bot). Let's be clear about it: banning at the beginning of the season does nothing. All those guys have multiple accounts (don't ask me why, but they were all admitting they do on said Teamspeak discussion), and if you're a top player you don't care about a new game license for a few bucks anyways. But knowing that if you bot from the beginning of Season 6 might get you banned towards the end - including a wipe of all your records - will make at least some people think twice about botting in Season 6. What's most powerful in stopping people from botting is not even the ban itself, but the fear of being banned just before you can reap your rewards.
That being said, not everything's perfectly good now. It was a first step, but they didn't catch all of them - not nearly. Again, aforementioned TS discussion was so interesting to listen to, as in the background you can hear people say "I botted like crazy and didn't get banned". Also, in the hours after the banwave they went through clan and communities rosters and friends lists and were wondering why certain people were online (as opposed to being banned). This holds also true for my personal experience; I talked to a lot of people yesterday who were happy about the ban wave, but everyone knew a lot of people (both casuals and high-profile players) who are botters, yet didn't get banned. It seems as if Blizzard manually confirmed every case before executing the bans, or is maybe banning in waves, or maybe is online banning a selection of botters, by whichever criterion.
A last point that was already discussed on Reddit is the fact that we have a lot of fragmented teams on the leaderboards now, and some people argue that the entire group record should be wiped if one of the people in the group was banned for botting. There was quite a lot of pushback; however, I think this should be the case. It's like in relay races at the Olympics: If any of the participants gets banned for doping, the entire team loses its medals. Note the difference: the other team members do not get banned, but they need to re-earn their 2 player/3 player/4 player record, because their existing record was achieved by the help of "cheaters". The argument against this is that it would punish those people who might not have known about their team mates being cheaters. I personally argue that this is very unlikely. Most groups on the leaderboards, and I would suspect 100% of the groups in the top 100, know each other - they are either clan mates or have each other on the friends list. In that case, you know if someone is botting or not. If you spent hours and days of flipping rifts you will eventually have to farm TX for keys, and if one of your team members never participates in the TX key farming - well, it's at least highly suspicious. People at the top of the leaderboard aren't dumb, they know what's happening.
Well, let's see where we go from here. It's a good start, a sign of life from Blizzard. The ship has sailed for many players, but at least they're not done with the competition entirely and seem to care about their game. It's going to be interesting to see what happens in Season 6: how the community reacts, if the amount of botters will go down, and if they repeat this ban wave to catch more bad guys (as plenty of them are still out there).
I disagree completely.
I'm within the upper half of the LB and I did it by playing with random people I found in communities. I only added to my friendlist those of them that I liked/chatted with a lot, declined all the other requests to not "litter" my friendlist with people I likely won't play again with.
I have no clue whether some of them botted or not, and I definitely don't want to fish for good 106 and 107 rifts ever again. I'm done with 4p as it is and it'd be fucking lame to get forced back or lose the records. Was a struggle
I'm pretty sure I've never seen anything in the ToS, EULA, or a blue post stating that the numlock auto casting was illegal.
Isn't the automatic way of game play (auto casting, macros) bannable ? Binding a key to do 2345243 skills is legal?
Well, if that is legal, then there is huge gap into bannable policies apart from the obvious (bots, 3rd party progs)
Good news is there's not even one million skills in the game, let alone 2,345,243 skills so no key will do such a thing.
Bots that play the game == Bad.
Pressing a key and then switching your numlock session so the computer believes you're continuing to press said key has been mentioned numerous times on the official forums. Not once has a Blue ever said it was frowned upon.
These scumbags will bot every fucking season and after ban, they get an new account and go back to botting, god i wish blizz would just blacklist their debit/credit cards to keep em away from the game a bit longer
I would just prefer to let them pay again, put all these thousands of hours in and then ban them before the end of the season. gg
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Haha, well the loop is still going strong - ban, new bots comes along - ban. Will allways be like that Good they catched some of it tho.
But I am a bit surprised to see you people here write about "salty tears" and "miserable" bot users. After a good amount of reading on the biggest bot forum it seems like people are shrugging their shoulders about it. If anything you people seem to be the most salty (not today tho)
Its pretty much targeting anyone botting in the leaderboards it seems more so. Sure a bunch of streamers, but there are plenty of friends who bot on my list who didn't get hit and some who did. The ones who did were on the leaderboards. The rest haven't pushed solo yet they have been botting 4 mans and none of their 4 accounts got hit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHHP1jG4xyc
So there is justice after all. FINALLY
Most SOS clan banned, Reign clan banned. Goooooood
http://www.angryroleplayer.com/
http://www.youtube.com/c/angryroleplayer
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How convenient to start a ban wave at the end of a season. I am sure this will teach those guys some manners until the end of the next season.
Waiting for a NON-SEASONAL banwave as well. I logged in and checked, botters on my friend list are offline, but chars all there. They are scared to death i believe.
http://www.angryroleplayer.com/
http://www.youtube.com/c/angryroleplayer
https://www.diablofans.com/builds/105329-2-6-7-rend-bleed-whirlwind-gr130
https://www.diablofans.com/builds/105301-2-6-7-fist-of-the-heavens-aegis-of-valor-gr110
That girl botter has been botting from two accounts by the way. I checked her previous account and it's gone. Her latest account (the one she used to bot s5 with) is still there. That's pretty strange that she escaped.
http://www.angryroleplayer.com/
http://www.youtube.com/c/angryroleplayer
https://www.diablofans.com/builds/105329-2-6-7-rend-bleed-whirlwind-gr130
https://www.diablofans.com/builds/105301-2-6-7-fist-of-the-heavens-aegis-of-valor-gr110
Out of interest I checked SOS clan roster.
Out of 30 TOP paragon players = 22 were banned. LOL
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http://www.youtube.com/c/angryroleplayer
https://www.diablofans.com/builds/105329-2-6-7-rend-bleed-whirlwind-gr130
https://www.diablofans.com/builds/105301-2-6-7-fist-of-the-heavens-aegis-of-valor-gr110
What's really great about this banwave is timing. It's impeccable, absolutely perfect; just a few weeks before the end of the season. It will hopefully give some of the legit players who quit because of botters an incentive to come back (though I believe it's too late for many, it seems like Quin is going to stay with PoE for good this time). They should've done this in S3/S4 as well, as everyone was waiting for it, and we would've never even arrived at this state - but at least this time they got the timing right. I think everyone saw in the example of Gabynator's first ban in September 2015 that an early ban does nothing - he came back and still got rank #1s, just botting on his new account.
The most important point of this banwave though is the message: Blizzard finally stood up to it's ToS and showed initiative. For the first time in over a year this was a major banwave against botters. If you listen to the background Teamspeak discussion on any of the SoS guys' videos from yesterday (Gaby, Chainer) you can hear them say "I played legit for so many seasons but they never did anything, so I started botting because everyone did it". That's why they should've done this earlier - many top players either quit or started botting, and that's because there was no action in Season 3 and Season 4. Let's hope this improves the situation in Season 6 (more legit players coming back and more botters stopping to bot). Let's be clear about it: banning at the beginning of the season does nothing. All those guys have multiple accounts (don't ask me why, but they were all admitting they do on said Teamspeak discussion), and if you're a top player you don't care about a new game license for a few bucks anyways. But knowing that if you bot from the beginning of Season 6 might get you banned towards the end - including a wipe of all your records - will make at least some people think twice about botting in Season 6. What's most powerful in stopping people from botting is not even the ban itself, but the fear of being banned just before you can reap your rewards.
That being said, not everything's perfectly good now. It was a first step, but they didn't catch all of them - not nearly. Again, aforementioned TS discussion was so interesting to listen to, as in the background you can hear people say "I botted like crazy and didn't get banned". Also, in the hours after the banwave they went through clan and communities rosters and friends lists and were wondering why certain people were online (as opposed to being banned). This holds also true for my personal experience; I talked to a lot of people yesterday who were happy about the ban wave, but everyone knew a lot of people (both casuals and high-profile players) who are botters, yet didn't get banned. It seems as if Blizzard manually confirmed every case before executing the bans, or is maybe banning in waves, or maybe is online banning a selection of botters, by whichever criterion.
A last point that was already discussed on Reddit is the fact that we have a lot of fragmented teams on the leaderboards now, and some people argue that the entire group record should be wiped if one of the people in the group was banned for botting. There was quite a lot of pushback; however, I think this should be the case. It's like in relay races at the Olympics: If any of the participants gets banned for doping, the entire team loses its medals. Note the difference: the other team members do not get banned, but they need to re-earn their 2 player/3 player/4 player record, because their existing record was achieved by the help of "cheaters". The argument against this is that it would punish those people who might not have known about their team mates being cheaters. I personally argue that this is very unlikely. Most groups on the leaderboards, and I would suspect 100% of the groups in the top 100, know each other - they are either clan mates or have each other on the friends list. In that case, you know if someone is botting or not. If you spent hours and days of flipping rifts you will eventually have to farm TX for keys, and if one of your team members never participates in the TX key farming - well, it's at least highly suspicious. People at the top of the leaderboard aren't dumb, they know what's happening.
Well, let's see where we go from here. It's a good start, a sign of life from Blizzard. The ship has sailed for many players, but at least they're not done with the competition entirely and seem to care about their game. It's going to be interesting to see what happens in Season 6: how the community reacts, if the amount of botters will go down, and if they repeat this ban wave to catch more bad guys (as plenty of them are still out there).
Edit: I made a thread on the official forums about the fragmented leaderboards issue, as I think it's something we need to discuss next - http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/20743035839
Yesterday I was 832nd on the list with grift 78 in 14:45.333 at EU seasonal solo barb leaderboards. I see Im 821st now. I must say I'm surprised that EU servers have so many legit barbs. In US I would be in top 500 for sure.
Season 6 barbarian solo sc EU grift 85 12m 23.199s MotE build
I checked some data and i think only "old" accounts were banned. By "old" i mean those who botted like 2 months ago. The girl streamer second account is alive (the original is banned). Gabynator hasn't botted for like 2 last weeks (was scared), yet he indeed is banned, and he botted like crazy since season start.
I have my doubts about Chainer too. I absolutely ain't gonna accuse anyone here, but i am 99% sure he botted like crazy this season. Yet his account is fine.
I think bans happened based on some "old data", collected from previous months.
This is why you see some botters are still untouched. I guess some accounts simply had less or earlier botting "uptime" than the others.
http://www.angryroleplayer.com/
http://www.youtube.com/c/angryroleplayer
https://www.diablofans.com/builds/105329-2-6-7-rend-bleed-whirlwind-gr130
https://www.diablofans.com/builds/105301-2-6-7-fist-of-the-heavens-aegis-of-valor-gr110
I mean i personally have 3 friends who have botted since day 3 of season 24/7 unless dc'd randomly overnight or something happened w/e. One got hit on 1 of 4 accounts. Other 2 have all 4 accounts each still running atm.
The only difference between the 3 people is the 1 of 4 that got banned was in top ~15 of his class(not sure he tried a few weeks ago) and the other 2 accounts only spammed 4 man 94s for exp and didn't have leaderboard ranks of any kind. Just like the guy who had 1 of 4 banned his 3 other accounts only did 4 man no leaderboards to speak of but all 3 people botted 24/7 since day 3 of season.
I just wish I knew why some didn't get and some did. We obviously just won't know everything. I just hope they finally ban each season to deter botting. Seeing as this is the first real ban wave for bots during a season since the end of season 1(which really hit like no one).
You do it too early and
they'll just get new accounts and keep going, meaning Blizzard would
have to regularly ban (something they've historically never done to my
knowledge).
I'm pretty sure I've never seen anything in the ToS, EULA, or a blue post stating that the numlock auto casting was illegal.
I'm within the upper half of the LB and I did it by playing with random people I found in communities. I only added to my friendlist those of them that I liked/chatted with a lot, declined all the other requests to not "litter" my friendlist with people I likely won't play again with.
I have no clue whether some of them botted or not, and I definitely don't want to fish for good 106 and 107 rifts ever again. I'm done with 4p as it is and it'd be fucking lame to get forced back or lose the records. Was a struggle
Bots that play the game == Bad.
Pressing a key and then switching your numlock session so the computer believes you're continuing to press said key has been mentioned numerous times on the official forums. Not once has a Blue ever said it was frowned upon.
"Truth is like a lion. Don't try to defend it. Let it loose. It will defend itself" Augustine of Hippo
"Truth is like a lion. Don't try to defend it. Let it loose. It will defend itself" Augustine of Hippo