Do you really think they would spend so much money in development costs just to "lure away" some disgruntled PC players before bringing them back to PC through the expansion?
I have never claimed that they developed the console to lure PC players away. Blizzard is just doing a good thing in trying to expose Diablo to a whole new gaming demographic, the console crowd.
I don't have a problem with the console version in and of itself.
What I am highly suspicious of is the withholding of loot 2.0 and how the timing relates to the console release. I'm sure Blizzard is counting on throngs of PC players to buy the console version, and introducing a new loot system now, or over the last several months, certainly would've prevented many PC players from seeking a better version of D3 in the console.
Two different teams, two different demographics, two different purposes, one game.
Yet we see countless posts on Bnet from pissed off PC players who bought the console, as well as here. Weird.
If anyone is disgruntled here it's you. :/
Gee....ya think? Whatever gave you that idea? You are aware that I am not alone, nor do I stand in some minuscule minority, right? Or are you going to do as some others have and pretend that D3 was a smash hit among core-Diablo fans?
I don't know if you're a strict PC gamer or not, but countless of times I've tried to explain how consoles are vastlydifferent to PCs to PC purists, but the view that consoles are just miniature PCs seems much too ingrained.
I haven't played a console game in 13 years, save for some Madden on PS2 some years ago. That genre has become almost exclusively a FPS platform, a genre of game I do not enjoy at all. I don't view consoles as "mini PC's". I view it as a genre more suited for people who want to play multiple games simultaneously, beating games as fast as they can and then moving on to the next.
If that's your thing, fine. Myself, I want a game I can obsess over for a number of years. Hence my attraction to the PC platform.
^Well it seems like D3, from your posts isn't that game you're looking for. Why not hop on another game until the expansion/loot 2.0 hits instead of moaning on here? Dont mean it as an insult, more as a solution.
^Well it seems like D3, from your posts isn't that game you're looking for. Why not hop on another game until the expansion/loot 2.0 hits instead of moaning on here? Dont mean it as an insult, more as a solution.
Ya see, it's that verbiage that bothers me. When players use this inflammatory verbiage like "whining", "moaning" and "crying" to repel criticism of D3.
I have quit D3 3 times now. Not quite what I thought my first 16 months of D3 would pan out to be. I was about to quit a 4th time when I discovered the fun of HC self-found play.
I have maintained throughout that this game has a terrific core of gameplay, combat and smooth animation. Many great systems are in place, many addictive aspects are apparent.
However, this is a loot based game with underwhelming loot. Well, actually the whole loot system is over-simplified and linear. Even the drop rate itself is poor. Do not pretend Blizzard couldn't have hoped in and at the very least, tweaked the god damn drop rate while they tweaked a better system in it's entirety.
Yet....they did not. Strangely, the one thing they could've done to off-set the bad loot system, increasing the drop rate (which directly increases the chances of players finding better loot for themselves), did not occur.
Those of us whom have passion for the franchise, those of us who see the potential here, are left scratching our heads as to the timing here. With the 1.08 patch, a good patch IMO, WHY.....why didn't they bump the numbers? Why didn't they raise the drop rates? This requires no intensive PTR. This requires no adjustments to this and that, unintended consequences etc.
To witness this inaction, and then immediately after 1.08, the console is announced.....dubious at best. Why am I here "moaning"? Because I care. Because I play this game, I stick with it.
^Well it seems like D3, from your posts isn't that game you're looking for. Why not hop on another game until the expansion/loot 2.0 hits instead of moaning on here? Dont mean it as an insult, more as a solution.
Ya see, it's that verbiage that bothers me. When players use this inflammatory verbiage like "whining", "moaning" and "crying" to repel criticism of D3.
I have quit D3 3 times now. Not quite what I thought my first 16 months of D3 would pan out to be. I was about to quit a 4th time when I discovered the fun of HC self-found play.
I have maintained throughout that this game has a terrific core of gameplay, combat and smooth animation. Many great systems are in place, many addictive aspects are apparent.
However, this is a loot based game with underwhelming loot. Well, actually the whole loot system is over-simplified and linear. Even the drop rate itself is poor. Do not pretend Blizzard couldn't have hoped in and at the very least, tweaked the god damn drop rate while they tweaked a better system in it's entirety.
Yet....they did not. Strangely, the one thing they could've done to off-set the bad loot system, increasing the drop rate (which directly increases the chances of players finding better loot for themselves), did not occur.
Those of us whom have passion for the franchise, those of us who see the potential here, are left scratching our heads as to the timing here. With the 1.08 patch, a good patch IMO, WHY.....why didn't they bump the numbers? Why didn't they raise the drop rates? This requires no intensive PTR. This requires no adjustments to this and that, unintended consequences etc.
To witness this inaction, and then immediately after 1.08, the console is announced.....dubious at best. Why am I here "moaning"? Because I care. Because I play this game, I stick with it.
Fair point. But if the game irks you so much, why keep coming back to the same game? Seems like your torturing yourself. Why not go play a different game and come back when the changes happen and see if the game is then what you want it to be. It's just a game, there's many out there. You dont have to stick to, what you've said, one game for years philosophy if that one game is not what you're looking for.
I personally have invested a lot of time in the game and continue doing so because I love it, despite its short comings.
To me it feels like the consolde verison of the game is the way it was meant to play. I feel like the decision to bring about an auction house caused them to roll the loot back and bit and made everything feel really unrewarding on PC. As of now my only compaint on the console is the "smart" loot. I love being showered with good items. But I also love the rng of it all. That orange beam of light is exciting and then you see it rolled dex instead of whatever you wanted. I don't know. Especially since the loot is so much better on console I think we can afford more rng to it because the next echoing fury is around the corner.
I personally have invested a lot of time in the game and continue doing so because I love it, despite its short comings.
Then we are not that different.
I too love this game. However, it has manifested itself in a very dysfunctional manner. A profound love/hate dynamic has festered since launch. Reminds of that girlfriend many of us have had. You know, the one that treats you like shit but there's something almost intangible that keeps you around?
Why haven't they raised the drop rates? If it is going to be 4-6+ months before a proper (and complex) loot system is implemented, why not raise the rates for now? Why didn't that happen 6-8 months ago when Blizzard identified the drop rate as a key culprit?
Everyone knows by now how much I talk about caring more about the journey than the rewards, the gameplay than the loot. And I know your arguments from the inside out, ruksak.
So I'm just gonna leave this here for you (and some others) to think about it. If you have the opportunity to try the console version, and the will to do so with an open-mind, just do it.
Do not underestimate the power of very small, subtle, meaningless changes. More legendaries (and at every level), improved follower damage, improved drop and crafting system, no AH without having to self-impose it, direct control.
It all adds up. And the result is a very pleasant gameplay experience. And to me, because I used and understood the effect of the AH from the closed beta, it's a completely different experience.
Are these enough? Probably not for people who think that whoever likes the current systems is a retard (right, mr. troll? he knows who he is, don't worry). But if you're on the fence, you like the game but you wanna see its full potential (and I know someone like you are), you'd be surprised how strong of a push these small changes can be.
Why haven't they raised the drop rates? If it is going to be 4-6+ months before a proper (and complex) loot system is implemented, why not raise the rates for now? Why didn't that happen 6-8 months ago when Blizzard identified the drop rate as a key culprit?
You know why. I know why. Everybody knows why.
Because of the AH (which is not a factor in the consoles). And they already did exactly what you're asking for, improved drop rates, improved item quality. Result? Cheaper and better gear on the AH. And the same feeling of "everything is useless". Because saying "everything is special" is the same as saying "nothing really is".
oh my god Ruksak, you need your own damn thread. Seriously, every freakin thread you're in you're trying to bring everyone down, saying the same shit.
We get you. You like the base game, you're dissatisfied with the end game and the loot. I'm in the same boat. However, I'm not going to everyone's happy thread to tell them how bad they'll feel in a little.
Knock it the hell off, and start your own thread, and keep it there.
oh my god Ruksak, you need your own damn thread. Seriously, every freakin thread you're in you're trying to bring everyone down, saying the same shit.
We get you. You like the base game, you're dissatisfied with the end game and the loot. I'm in the same boat. However, I'm not going to everyone's happy thread to tell them how bad they'll feel in a little.
Knock it the hell off, and start your own thread, and keep it there.
I'll stop when the admin of this site gets a clue and creates a separate forum for console.
Why haven't they raised the drop rates? If it is going to be 4-6+ months before a proper (and complex) loot system is implemented, why not raise the rates for now? Why didn't that happen 6-8 months ago when Blizzard identified the drop rate as a key culprit?
You know why. I know why. Everybody knows why.
Because of the AH (which is not a factor in the consoles). And they already did exactly what you're asking for, improved drop rates, improved item quality. Result? Cheaper and better gear on the AH. And the same feeling of "everything is useless". Because saying "everything is special" is the same as saying "nothing really is".
Who cares about the AH? I don't. The only reason I still play this game AT ALL is because I switched to Self-found HC. The AH is already saturated and jacked up, full of predaceous flippers and bots.
NONE of this gear will amount to damn thing when 2.0 launches (most likely). When I play my HC for 4 hours and I find nothing at all, it's discouraging. We shouldn't need 600%+ MF on MP 10 in order to find something, and even then it's few and far between, most often only to brim one iLvL63 after another.
How about some fun now, an increased chance at having some fun harvesting Legs? What else is there to do? PvP?
I think I care, I like the idea of a proper economy, unlike the mess that we had in D2. But I don't want the actual gameplay to be ruined because of it. So I'm on the fence. I want BoA, but I don't want the AH to be completely scrapped.
And some people care A LOT. Actually, a lot of people care.
Mostly the D2 purists who do not want any BoA bullshit on D3. The amount of threads on the official forums complaining about BoA recipes and BoA Demonic Essences (when those were announced/released) probably rivals those complaining about the AH.
You also knew this answer. You're a smart fella I know you don't like the answers, but don't pretend to not know them.
I think I care, I like the idea of a proper economy, unlike the mess that we had in D2. But I don't want the actual gameplay to be ruined because of it. So I'm on the fence. I want BoA, but I don't want the AH to be completely scrapped.
And some people care A LOT. Actually, a lot of people care.
Mostly the D2 purists who do not want any BoA bullshit on D3. The amount of threads on the official forums complaining about BoA recipes and BoA Demonic Essences (when those were announced/released) probably rivals those complaining about the AH.
You also knew this answer. You're a smart fella I know you don't like the answers, but don't pretend to not know them.
I don't think you understood me.
I care, or rather, I will care. Since things got so messed up for so long, 2.0 will effectively soft-reset the economy.
In the interim, manipulating the drop rates to provide the players with a higher chance of self-found loot isn't going to have any long-term affects.
I want the perfect marriage of self-finds, the AH's and trading. I want a healthy economy. But now...where we stand, why bother? The only thing that doing nothing stands to give us is.....nothing.
I'm sure you can pull up a link that proves that.... something else they teach you in high school: citations.
I can't believe you are serious, though, suggesting "complete wipes of everything" and then have the audacity to say that Blizzard has done some "retarded" things in the past few years. Complete wipes would be more retarded than the sum of everything Blizzard has ever done in its entire existence. If you want to see one thing that completely kills the game, go with the "just wipe everything if the economy gets bad" method. Most people, if they ascribe to that, want it to be on their terms - hence ladder where you can opt in for that. If you force wipes on the whole game just to "fix" the economy people will get fed up and quit and not look back. It's just a very bad idea.
Also, D2 had no "complete wipes of everything" when the economy was bad. There is absolutely zero precedent for that kind of draconian douchery.
I don't like the console version, not to mention you will likely have to wait another year before RoS is released for console
I don't see that as a bad thing. PC gamers would have played Diablo 3 for 2 years by the time RoS releases.
I don't think it would be fair to the console players to just drop the expansion on them within 6 months of getting the original game... need to give them time to enjoy it imo.
I can't believe you are serious, though, suggesting "complete wipes of everything" and then have the audacity to say that Blizzard has done some "retarded" things in the past few years. Complete wipes would be more retarded than the sum of everything Blizzard has ever done in its entire existence. If you want to see one thing that completely kills the game, go with the "just wipe everything if the economy gets bad" method. Most people, if they ascribe to that, want it to be on their terms - hence ladder where you can opt in for that. If you force wipes on the whole game just to "fix" the economy people will get fed up and quit and not look back. It's just a very bad idea.
Also, D2 had no "complete wipes of everything" when the economy was bad. There is absolutely zero precedent for that kind of draconian douchery.
Also known as the League of Shadows (from Batman Begins) method
Anyway...I bought the game because my kid usually sits like a parrot when I play at my pc. Sure, I figured we could co-op sometimes, but I didn't think I would all out stop playing the pc edition.
There is just something refreshing about how skills are handled. I'm playing a DH using skills that I avoid on the pc.
It's a breath of fresh air, really. I know it's more band-aid then an all out fix, but I'm surprisingly happy about this game.
Idk I think a lot of people feel the way that rusaaaskkk( I forgot your name) guy does. However you. One off challenging and very aggressive towards people who don't agree with you. Then again it's text so we could have this same conversation about d3 and enjoy talking about a game we both love.
I always looked at the AH like this. It is really no different then d2. Instead if going to the AH you would sit in trade channels spamming copy and paste text with what you have or what you want. It was a little more personal and you got to meet people who were either nice, hacking, scamming or just tying to actually trade. The AH is really same thing with everything right there. Just my two cents.
Also my real problem with loot is still not how little it drops. There is to many stats to freaking deal with. There is no itemization at all. That's what made d2 great. You wanted to be a wearbeAr barbarian? Freaking do it! Another thing is while I like d3 skills they piss me off too. My favorite toon in d2 was a charged bolt sorc. Back when I started it, know one did it. It was all nova sorcs. Then my guild and friends saw I mowed cows down just as fast. They changed their minds real quick. Everything is simply cookie cutter a out builds and items in this game. Everything. Also check the link out. Itemization lost my friend did. Makes a lot of sense. http://imageshack.us/a/img689/8853/infographic.jpg
Lastly my favorite thing about d3! I love when you hit bodies or book cases across the the map and find them a somewhere else on the map. Makes me laugh every time.
Ps my English and grammar suck. It's also my native language.
I have never claimed that they developed the console to lure PC players away. Blizzard is just doing a good thing in trying to expose Diablo to a whole new gaming demographic, the console crowd.
I don't have a problem with the console version in and of itself.
What I am highly suspicious of is the withholding of loot 2.0 and how the timing relates to the console release. I'm sure Blizzard is counting on throngs of PC players to buy the console version, and introducing a new loot system now, or over the last several months, certainly would've prevented many PC players from seeking a better version of D3 in the console.
Yet we see countless posts on Bnet from pissed off PC players who bought the console, as well as here. Weird.
Gee....ya think? Whatever gave you that idea? You are aware that I am not alone, nor do I stand in some minuscule minority, right? Or are you going to do as some others have and pretend that D3 was a smash hit among core-Diablo fans?
I haven't played a console game in 13 years, save for some Madden on PS2 some years ago. That genre has become almost exclusively a FPS platform, a genre of game I do not enjoy at all. I don't view consoles as "mini PC's". I view it as a genre more suited for people who want to play multiple games simultaneously, beating games as fast as they can and then moving on to the next.
If that's your thing, fine. Myself, I want a game I can obsess over for a number of years. Hence my attraction to the PC platform.
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Ya see, it's that verbiage that bothers me. When players use this inflammatory verbiage like "whining", "moaning" and "crying" to repel criticism of D3.
I have quit D3 3 times now. Not quite what I thought my first 16 months of D3 would pan out to be. I was about to quit a 4th time when I discovered the fun of HC self-found play.
I have maintained throughout that this game has a terrific core of gameplay, combat and smooth animation. Many great systems are in place, many addictive aspects are apparent.
However, this is a loot based game with underwhelming loot. Well, actually the whole loot system is over-simplified and linear. Even the drop rate itself is poor. Do not pretend Blizzard couldn't have hoped in and at the very least, tweaked the god damn drop rate while they tweaked a better system in it's entirety.
Yet....they did not. Strangely, the one thing they could've done to off-set the bad loot system, increasing the drop rate (which directly increases the chances of players finding better loot for themselves), did not occur.
Those of us whom have passion for the franchise, those of us who see the potential here, are left scratching our heads as to the timing here. With the 1.08 patch, a good patch IMO, WHY.....why didn't they bump the numbers? Why didn't they raise the drop rates? This requires no intensive PTR. This requires no adjustments to this and that, unintended consequences etc.
To witness this inaction, and then immediately after 1.08, the console is announced.....dubious at best. Why am I here "moaning"? Because I care. Because I play this game, I stick with it.
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Fair point. But if the game irks you so much, why keep coming back to the same game? Seems like your torturing yourself. Why not go play a different game and come back when the changes happen and see if the game is then what you want it to be. It's just a game, there's many out there. You dont have to stick to, what you've said, one game for years philosophy if that one game is not what you're looking for.
I personally have invested a lot of time in the game and continue doing so because I love it, despite its short comings.
Then we are not that different.
I too love this game. However, it has manifested itself in a very dysfunctional manner. A profound love/hate dynamic has festered since launch. Reminds of that girlfriend many of us have had. You know, the one that treats you like shit but there's something almost intangible that keeps you around?
Why haven't they raised the drop rates? If it is going to be 4-6+ months before a proper (and complex) loot system is implemented, why not raise the rates for now? Why didn't that happen 6-8 months ago when Blizzard identified the drop rate as a key culprit?
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So I'm just gonna leave this here for you (and some others) to think about it. If you have the opportunity to try the console version, and the will to do so with an open-mind, just do it.
Do not underestimate the power of very small, subtle, meaningless changes. More legendaries (and at every level), improved follower damage, improved drop and crafting system, no AH without having to self-impose it, direct control.
It all adds up. And the result is a very pleasant gameplay experience. And to me, because I used and understood the effect of the AH from the closed beta, it's a completely different experience.
Are these enough? Probably not for people who think that whoever likes the current systems is a retard (right, mr. troll? he knows who he is, don't worry). But if you're on the fence, you like the game but you wanna see its full potential (and I know someone like you are), you'd be surprised how strong of a push these small changes can be.
Because of the AH (which is not a factor in the consoles). And they already did exactly what you're asking for, improved drop rates, improved item quality. Result? Cheaper and better gear on the AH. And the same feeling of "everything is useless". Because saying "everything is special" is the same as saying "nothing really is".
We get you. You like the base game, you're dissatisfied with the end game and the loot. I'm in the same boat. However, I'm not going to everyone's happy thread to tell them how bad they'll feel in a little.
Knock it the hell off, and start your own thread, and keep it there.
I'll stop when the admin of this site gets a clue and creates a separate forum for console.
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Who cares about the AH? I don't. The only reason I still play this game AT ALL is because I switched to Self-found HC. The AH is already saturated and jacked up, full of predaceous flippers and bots.
NONE of this gear will amount to damn thing when 2.0 launches (most likely). When I play my HC for 4 hours and I find nothing at all, it's discouraging. We shouldn't need 600%+ MF on MP 10 in order to find something, and even then it's few and far between, most often only to brim one iLvL63 after another.
How about some fun now, an increased chance at having some fun harvesting Legs? What else is there to do? PvP?
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I think I care, I like the idea of a proper economy, unlike the mess that we had in D2. But I don't want the actual gameplay to be ruined because of it. So I'm on the fence. I want BoA, but I don't want the AH to be completely scrapped.
And some people care A LOT. Actually, a lot of people care.
Mostly the D2 purists who do not want any BoA bullshit on D3. The amount of threads on the official forums complaining about BoA recipes and BoA Demonic Essences (when those were announced/released) probably rivals those complaining about the AH.
You also knew this answer. You're a smart fella I know you don't like the answers, but don't pretend to not know them.
I don't think you understood me.
I care, or rather, I will care. Since things got so messed up for so long, 2.0 will effectively soft-reset the economy.
In the interim, manipulating the drop rates to provide the players with a higher chance of self-found loot isn't going to have any long-term affects.
I want the perfect marriage of self-finds, the AH's and trading. I want a healthy economy. But now...where we stand, why bother? The only thing that doing nothing stands to give us is.....nothing.
BurningRope#1322 (US~HC) Request an invite to the official (NA) <dfans> Clan
I'm sure you can pull up a link that proves that.... something else they teach you in high school: citations.
I can't believe you are serious, though, suggesting "complete wipes of everything" and then have the audacity to say that Blizzard has done some "retarded" things in the past few years. Complete wipes would be more retarded than the sum of everything Blizzard has ever done in its entire existence. If you want to see one thing that completely kills the game, go with the "just wipe everything if the economy gets bad" method. Most people, if they ascribe to that, want it to be on their terms - hence ladder where you can opt in for that. If you force wipes on the whole game just to "fix" the economy people will get fed up and quit and not look back. It's just a very bad idea.
Also, D2 had no "complete wipes of everything" when the economy was bad. There is absolutely zero precedent for that kind of draconian douchery.
I don't see that as a bad thing. PC gamers would have played Diablo 3 for 2 years by the time RoS releases.
I don't think it would be fair to the console players to just drop the expansion on them within 6 months of getting the original game... need to give them time to enjoy it imo.
Just blow all that shit up.
Anyway...I bought the game because my kid usually sits like a parrot when I play at my pc. Sure, I figured we could co-op sometimes, but I didn't think I would all out stop playing the pc edition.
There is just something refreshing about how skills are handled. I'm playing a DH using skills that I avoid on the pc.
It's a breath of fresh air, really. I know it's more band-aid then an all out fix, but I'm surprisingly happy about this game.
I always looked at the AH like this. It is really no different then d2. Instead if going to the AH you would sit in trade channels spamming copy and paste text with what you have or what you want. It was a little more personal and you got to meet people who were either nice, hacking, scamming or just tying to actually trade. The AH is really same thing with everything right there. Just my two cents.
Also my real problem with loot is still not how little it drops. There is to many stats to freaking deal with. There is no itemization at all. That's what made d2 great. You wanted to be a wearbeAr barbarian? Freaking do it! Another thing is while I like d3 skills they piss me off too. My favorite toon in d2 was a charged bolt sorc. Back when I started it, know one did it. It was all nova sorcs. Then my guild and friends saw I mowed cows down just as fast. They changed their minds real quick. Everything is simply cookie cutter a out builds and items in this game. Everything. Also check the link out. Itemization lost my friend did. Makes a lot of sense.
http://imageshack.us/a/img689/8853/infographic.jpg
Lastly my favorite thing about d3! I love when you hit bodies or book cases across the the map and find them a somewhere else on the map. Makes me laugh every time.
Ps my English and grammar suck. It's also my native language.
Pss sorry your thread got derailed op.
This is why I have hesitated until now to say anything. I'll return to the shadows with my opinions in tow. See you in-game on the PSN...
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