The only way Blizzard will be able to stop it is if we the players help. They would have to remove the RMAH entirely and the players would need to not buy gold from online retailers. If these people couldn't make money doing it, there would be no point to them doing it and the problem would go away.
It has to have a profit for there to be a point. Therefor;
if Profit = Point then No Profit = No Point.
Stop the Duping: Occupy Sanctuary!!!
roflol
Never played Diablo 2 did you?
If they took they RMAH out of the game, they would just all flood to d2jsp, ebay, etc.
D2jsp yes..however ebay/blizzard work together to halt sale of items/accounts..d2 not so much but thats just because its fairly outdated at this point.
D2jsp still won't let you cash out FG or sell it (if you get caught both parties are banned so you'll lose it anyway) d2jsp is just another form of trading..not a money laundering service.
It makes perfect sense to me why these dupes aren't so widespread that the AH is flooded with them. I think people are severely underestimating the intelligence of these dupers.
1) If you were duping BiS items and then selling them on the AH for 2b gold to cash out (which is far more profitable than selling on the RMAH for $250 currently), you would be a complete idiot to put more than 1 of these items on the AH at a time. 2b items that are actually worth their price are tracked and multiple copies of the same item on the AH/RMAH would discourage legit players from buying them (would you buy an item knowing it was a dupe?). In fact, to be safe you wouldn't put duped items consecutively on the AH because it might drum up attention.
2) 2b items do not insta-sell, in fact the more expensive the item the longer it takes to sell usually. People who have this kind of gold track the same items sometimes for days. Think about it, if you're literally dropping nearly $1000 on an item, you'd better make sure it's worth the price. If we estimate it takes ~3-4 days to sell one of these 2b items on the AH then 10 of these items existing on diabloprogress means the duped item in question has been on the market for over 1 month.
3) It's very difficult to differentiate the method of duping (whether it's rollback dupes or some actual in-game technique). You'd think we could keep track of a couple of these duped items and see if their quantity increase over time (which would be a tell-tale sign that it was some in-game technique) . Unfortunately the dupers know that we can keep track of the quantity of these items so it's unlikely for them to keep selling the same items (especially since people who actually have the gold to buy these items will be discouraged knowing it's a duped item). The most we can do at this point is to keep tracking items to see if more dupes pop up. If more duped items keep popping up and their quantity is 5+ we'll know it's unlikely that they're all from roll-back dupes.
You can bet the people who are duping already had a ton of gold to begin with (hence how they could acquire such good items to dupe) and know how the AH works at that level. Therefore they would take the proper precautions to minimalize their chances of being caught or their trail being followed.
Diablo 2 had around 20+ different sites for item selling for real money.. Thinking if the game didnt have a rmah, all the problems would be solved is just. Naive, clueless, stupid. You pick. Its almost frightning to read the majority of these comments, does stupidity really have no end : (
It makes perfect sense to me why these dupes aren't so widespread that the AH is flooded with them. I think people are severely underestimating the intelligence of these dupers.
1) If you were duping BiS items and then selling them on the AH for 2b gold to cash out (which is far more profitable than selling on the RMAH for $250 currently), you would be a complete idiot to put more than 1 of these items on the AH at a time. 2b items that are actually worth their price are tracked and multiple copies of the same item on the AH/RMAH would discourage legit players from buying them (would you buy an item knowing it was a dupe?). In fact, to be safe you wouldn't put duped items consecutively on the AH because it might drum up attention.
2) 2b items do not insta-sell, in fact the more expensive the item the longer it takes to sell usually. People who have this kind of gold track the same items sometimes for days. Think about it, if you're literally dropping nearly $1000 on an item, you'd better make sure it's worth the price. If we estimate it takes ~3-4 days to sell one of these 2b items on the AH then 10 of these items existing on diabloprogress means the duped item in question has been on the market for over 1 month.
3) It's very difficult to differentiate the method of duping (whether it's rollback dupes or some actual in-game technique). You'd think we could keep track of a couple of these duped items and see if their quantity increase over time (which would be a tell-tale sign that it was some in-game technique) . Unfortunately the dupers know that we can keep track of the quantity of these items so it's unlikely for them to keep selling the same items (especially since people who actually have the gold to buy these items will be discouraged knowing it's a duped item). The most we can do at this point is to keep tracking items to see if more dupes pop up. If more duped items keep popping up and their quantity is 5+ we'll know it's unlikely that they're all from roll-back dupes.
You can bet the people who are duping already had a ton of gold to begin with (hence how they could acquire such good items to dupe) and know how the AH works at that level. Therefore they would take the proper precautions to minimalize their chances of being caught or their trail being followed.
By my estimation, human greed knows no bounds nor exercises little control.
If people were duping in-game than what reason would they have to not flood the market? We know a process like this would leak like a sieve and we'd have many many people doing it. Anyone actively duping (as we saw in D2) isn't going to be operating as if they're afraid of getting caught. They're going to sell as much as they can with a designated account and then just get a new one if that one is banned.
The reason we're seeing such finite amounts is because people have acquired their dupes via a rollback and they only have a finite amount. Therefor, they're being far more judicious about how they unload them.
Therefore they would take the proper precautions to minimalize their chances of being caught or their trail being followed.
Why? Why would they bother unless they were rollback duping? They have essentially garnered a money machine at their whim, why would they bother to protect a $60 account? So what, it gets banned. They know how to dupe. One trip to best buy and 3 new accounts later the operation resumes.
People are minimizing their risks, or it would seem that way, for one of two reasons. They are rollback duping and they only have a finite amount. If they wish to rollback from one account to the other, repeating this process as accounts are closed and/or marked as not being eligible for further rollbacks, they need time to purchase new accounts. Their slow-pace sales and the customer service avenue of rolling an account back would dictate expectations for a much slower stream of dupes hitting the market, as we've seen so far.
And why.. Do we not have a offline game-mode......... I wonder.
Why would you wonder that?
Didn't you play D2?
A game in which the entire economy was essentially phony and used a 98% duped item as it's currency (HR's).
Dude, as fun as it may be for conspiracy theorists to pander to this idea that online only is a greedy marketing scheme......if this game wasn't online only, the economy would be in a state of shambles already. Shit, it woulda been wrecked the first week.
Diablo 2 had around 20+ different sites for item selling for real money.. Thinking if the game didnt have a rmah, all the problems would be solved is just. Naive, clueless, stupid. You pick. Its almost frightning to read the majority of these comments, does stupidity really have no end : (
it seems to me it is as naive, clueless and stupid as thinking drm/always online and in game ah would resolve the botters/dupers problems. Hope you get this.
Botting and duping are two different things entirely. Botting is mimicing a user input which is actually rather straight forward to do.
Duping on the other hand required exploitation of the game engines client side (In D2), tricking the game into thinking the item was dropped when actually it remained in the inventory creating a copy of the item.
In D3 all this information is stored server side and anything such as you moving an item from your inventory to the ground is processed server side and that information is sent to the client to tell it that has happened.
In D2 this was something done client side which would be sent to the server and the server would acknowledge the action as legit and send comms back allowing the client to update the game accordingly. (hence why identifying duping in diablo 2 was such a mammoth problem server side).
Duping in D3 is impossible as it was in Diablo 2 simply because how the server and the client communicate. The only down sides of this is that the client can't do ANY work, because providing any of this information to the user means it can be exploited. This is why making Diablo 3 playable offline by Blizzards reasoning isn't possible.
a little serious please.
He said "as it was in D2"
I won't go so far as to claim that perhaps a method will never be discovered, whether by accident or otherwise, to dupe items.
Because the game is server side, it'll be stomped the fuck out in a junkyard minute.
Diablo 2 had around 20+ different sites for item selling for real money.. Thinking if the game didnt have a rmah, all the problems would be solved is just. Naive, clueless, stupid. You pick. Its almost frightning to read the majority of these comments, does stupidity really have no end : (
it seems to me it is as naive, clueless and stupid as thinking drm/always online and in game ah would resolve the botters/dupers problems. Hope you get this.
Botting and duping are two different things entirely. Botting is mimicing a user input which is actually rather straight forward to do.
Duping on the other hand required exploitation of the game engines client side (In D2), tricking the game into thinking the item was dropped when actually it remained in the inventory creating a copy of the item.
In D3 all this information is stored server side and anything such as you moving an item from your inventory to the ground is processed server side and that information is sent to the client to tell it that has happened.
In D2 this was something done client side which would be sent to the server and the server would acknowledge the action as legit and send comms back allowing the client to update the game accordingly. (hence why identifying duping in diablo 2 was such a mammoth problem server side).
Duping in D3 is impossible as it was in Diablo 2 simply because how the server and the client communicate. The only down sides of this is that the client can't do ANY work, because providing any of this information to the user means it can be exploited. This is why making Diablo 3 playable offline by Blizzards reasoning isn't possible.
a little serious please.
He said "as it was in D2"
I won't go so far as to claim that perhaps a method will never be discovered, whether by accident or otherwise, to dupe items.
Because the game is server side, it'll be stomped the fuck out in a junkyard minute.
Defiantly. I think Voix is correct tho; Unless battle.net itself is actually hacked, changing item codes to dupe won't happen. We've all seen 'lag' dupes, where pretty much the server itself fucks up, and while this type of exploit might be repeatable as soon as it's fixed correctly, duping won't exist.
Unless battle.net itself is actually hacked, changing item codes to dupe won't happen. We've all seen 'lag' dupes, where pretty much the server itself fucks up, and while this type of exploit might be repeatable as soon as it's fixed correctly, duping won't exist.
You can't and you won't know that unless you're a Blizzard employee. Unless a serious leak happens (or a method gets widely abused) there won't be official information available to the public about Blizzard's anti-hack effectiveness. So you can have your opinion, but you can never be certain about the truth, whatever it is. Well, okay, maybe someday, in a Blizzard historical retrospective...
So we can't know the truth, but we won't get a lie either. Blizzard doesn't lie... sometimes it conceals truth well, but no, not lieing. So did we hear Blizzard saying "we did not detect any duping" or "there is no duping in Diablo III" after release? No we didn't, because Blizzard doesn't lie. Bear this in mind: when there's no official denial, there's unofficial confirmation. We can't know for sure though...
Bear this in mind: when there's no official denial, there's unofficial confirmation. We can't know for sure though...
Very wise, sir.
The 'ol "We will not confirm or deny" line. Typically, this is an admission by omission.
I would ask people to be careful in presuming that the silence is confirmation of a viable in-game duping method. Despite the very angst ridden, condescending and oft times immature protestations by some here, in this thread, that in-game duping has arrived and is running rampant, there is much evidence that this is likely just isolated incidents of rollback scamming.
All of you guys are arguing over a pointless topic, it's really hard for me to post with ruskak camping these forums 24/7 and reporting all my posts to mods.
Anyhow, look at my post date of this thread, when I was making a warning about the best neck on USA server will get duped. It's only been 5 days and there's already two top 25 barbs wearing the neck.
Now, whether the duping is rollbacks, server-hacking, lag, and whatever else it can possibly be. It simply doesn't matter, when you have the best items in the game continuously being duped at a very fast rate it breaks the game's economy and the effects will be felt all the way down to the mid-tier and low-tier items as well.
http://us.battle.net...04017309?page=1 <- the real discussion is here, for the non-trolls of diablofans.com if you would like to join in the actual discussion of duped items.
http://us.battle.net...66836638?page=1 <- Duping method possibilities thread here, if you want to hypothesize about how people are duping, but does it even matter?
Edit: I find it very amusing that Blizzard takes botting so seriously and is very responsive to every single botting thread, yet every single duping thread goes unanswered, ask yourselves which is a bigger problem?
Detective Mannercookie.. You wouldnt even pass 1st grade on ze detective school. The fact that you can't tell even the most obviousis just meh... Its like moldran when the brimstone price raised due to a bluepost saying they considered to add new shizzle to blacksmithing.. Then obvious alot of people are speculating if gold could be made on it, so prices fly up and down.. And the idiots like Moldran "SHIT the price just dropped 10k per unit, some serious duping is happening". And then all he retarded viewers goes wow duping is going on everywhere, madness... And bla bla bla. And the the duping rumor spreads like tsunami.
You can't take a person, who cannot tell the difference between rollback dupes and actual player dupes. A person who ignores the most obvious facts, since his mind can only say dupe dupe dupe dupe. His blind to facts and logic.
Detective Mannercookie.. You wouldnt even pass 1st grade on ze detective school. The fact that you can't tell even the most obviousis just meh... Its like moldran when the brimstone price raised due to a bluepost saying they considered to add new shizzle to blacksmithing.. Then obvious alot of people are speculating if gold could be made on it, so prices fly up and down.. And the idiots like Moldran "SHIT the price just dropped 10k per unit, some serious duping is happening". And then all he retarded viewers goes wow duping is going on everywhere, madness... And bla bla bla. And the the duping rumor spreads like tsunami.
You can't take a person, who cannot tell the difference between rollback dupes and actual player dupes. A person who ignores the most obvious facts, since his mind can only say dupe dupe dupe dupe. His blind to facts and logic.
okay, what are you even talking about?
if your going to troll, at least makes some kind of sense.
Your contributing with nothing.. Your filling everything up with so called "evidence", "proof". When even a 2 year old can see that whatever yout linking/posting is the opposit of evidence and proof of player duping. Its actualy very clear that we are takling rollback dupes. But that you deny. Because your living in denial of the obvious. Your as way off as Moldran.
All of you guys are arguing over a pointless topic, it's really hard for me to post with ruskak camping these forums 24/7 and reporting all my posts to mods.
I'm not sure why you keep trying to flame me? IF you want to make a public thread, expect opposing opinions. Just because I give a different take than what your agenda wishes to see espoused.....it doesn't mean I am a troll.
Your posts get deleted because they contain inflammatory rhetoric aimed at me and other posters. Just more evidence that you seem to seek blame in rather......odd sources.
Edit: I find it very amusing that Blizzard takes botting so seriously and is very responsive to every single botting thread, yet every single duping thread goes unanswered, ask yourselves which is a bigger problem?
Botting is the new flavor of the week at Bnet. Last weeks it was dupes.
If you had some semblance of patience and a reasonable thought process, you would realize that Blizz attacks duping with the same zeal. Though I would consider duping to be a far more sensitive issue, thus warranting a great deal of tact, judiciousness and silence on the part of Blizz.
From Blue statement regarding Bots/Cheats and why they don't practice full disclosure at every hiccup heard round the realms;
An important thing to keep in mind is that we don't make public announcements every time we action players for cheating, and the reason for this is that we are constantly removing this kind of exploitative behavior from the game -- on a weekly basis, sometimes even on daily basis. Public announcements would become tedious if we decided to make one every single time we banned someone for using a bot, a hack, or some other kind of cheat. Instead, we usually will post something whenever we issue a big wave, or whenever we feel like we need to remind players that exploitative behavior is not okay and can lead to a permanent ban from Diablo III.
All of you guys are arguing over a pointless topic, it's really hard for me to post with ruskak camping these forums 24/7 and reporting all my posts to mods.
I'm not sure why you keep trying to flame me? IF you want to make a public thread, expect opposing opinions. Just because I give a different take than what your agenda wishes to see espoused.....it doesn't mean I am a troll.
Your posts get deleted because they contain inflammatory rhetoric aimed at me and other posters. Just more evidence that you seem to seek blame in rather......odd sources.
Edit: I find it very amusing that Blizzard takes botting so seriously and is very responsive to every single botting thread, yet every single duping thread goes unanswered, ask yourselves which is a bigger problem?
Botting is the new flavor of the week at Bnet. Last weeks it was dupes.
If you had some semblance of patience and a reasonable thought process, you would realize that Blizz attacks duping with the same zeal. Though I would consider duping to be a far more sensitive issue, thus warranting a great deal of tact, judiciousness and silence on the part of Blizz.
From Blue statement regarding Bots/Cheats and why they don't practice full disclosure at every hiccup heard round the realms;
An important thing to keep in mind is that we don't make public announcements every time we action players for cheating, and the reason for this is that we are constantly removing this kind of exploitative behavior from the game -- on a weekly basis, sometimes even on daily basis. Public announcements would become tedious if we decided to make one every single time we banned someone for using a bot, a hack, or some other kind of cheat. Instead, we usually will post something whenever we issue a big wave, or whenever we feel like we need to remind players that exploitative behavior is not okay and can lead to a permanent ban from Diablo III.
Need I remind you who made an embarrassment out of himself on the thread by first starting flaming/trolling to win an argument that you were losing, not only to quickly have mods delete the conversation after you realized how big of a mistake it was.
It's quite simple, public forum like you said, stop getting mods to delete my posts because your not happy.
Unless battle.net itself is actually hacked, changing item codes to dupe won't happen. We've all seen 'lag' dupes, where pretty much the server itself fucks up, and while this type of exploit might be repeatable as soon as it's fixed correctly, duping won't exist.
You can't and you won't know that unless you're a Blizzard employee. [...]
With some knowledge and logic, he can make a solid assumption. Every single item in the database have unique ID number, so to duplicate it someone would need to input new item while generating exactly the same stats. There are only a few ways to generate new items: buy from vendor, craft, drop, or created by Blizzard. [...]
You assume too much. What if Blizzard uses some kind of NoSQL database? That's not a far guess, considering the amount of data they need to access every minute. How do you know that these are the only possibilities to generate new items? The gem dupe happened abusing the AH for example... not even in game!
So yeah. Hackers gonna hack, and you won't know about their success if they're subtle enough. Let's just hope Blizzard can stomp on their attempts in a timely manner...
...and considering that they allowed the wizard invulnerability bug over a month, and reacted only when it went public, we can't be sure about that either.
I stopped reading this thread half way through it because I couldn't bare to read another person's thoughts, feel free to give me the same treatment and stop now.
For those people claiming that recent dupes floating around are from rollbacks, you should not argue with such conviction. Using logic that rollbacks and the amount of dupes are the clear answer, you then ask for proof to the contrary. However your argument doesn't prove anything either, and asking for people to show you a dupe method is absurd. Which is basically what you're doing since you don't argue that the dupes exist, just how they were created.
If we continue to use logic to argue these points, you should consider other reasonable points.
There have been other dupe methods that have been patched in the past, so rollbacks aren't the only method.
Rollbacks aren't a new method of duping, Blizzard and others have known about it for months.
The only thing that that the RMAH/GAH aren't flooded with dupes proves, is that the dupe isn't public.
The rollback method is public, and if you do manage to pull it off, I doubt you could do it a third time.
I could go on but this should be sufficient for anyone using logic as their argument.
The bottom line is this, duping is a real thing, the method used and arguing about it is pointless.
D2jsp yes..however ebay/blizzard work together to halt sale of items/accounts..d2 not so much but thats just because its fairly outdated at this point.
D2jsp still won't let you cash out FG or sell it (if you get caught both parties are banned so you'll lose it anyway) d2jsp is just another form of trading..not a money laundering service.
I gotta say i totally agree. Well said.
Just try to put more spaces between paragraphs
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If people were duping in-game than what reason would they have to not flood the market? We know a process like this would leak like a sieve and we'd have many many people doing it. Anyone actively duping (as we saw in D2) isn't going to be operating as if they're afraid of getting caught. They're going to sell as much as they can with a designated account and then just get a new one if that one is banned.
The reason we're seeing such finite amounts is because people have acquired their dupes via a rollback and they only have a finite amount. Therefor, they're being far more judicious about how they unload them.
Why? Why would they bother unless they were rollback duping? They have essentially garnered a money machine at their whim, why would they bother to protect a $60 account? So what, it gets banned. They know how to dupe. One trip to best buy and 3 new accounts later the operation resumes.
People are minimizing their risks, or it would seem that way, for one of two reasons. They are rollback duping and they only have a finite amount. If they wish to rollback from one account to the other, repeating this process as accounts are closed and/or marked as not being eligible for further rollbacks, they need time to purchase new accounts. Their slow-pace sales and the customer service avenue of rolling an account back would dictate expectations for a much slower stream of dupes hitting the market, as we've seen so far.
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Why would you wonder that?
Didn't you play D2?
A game in which the entire economy was essentially phony and used a 98% duped item as it's currency (HR's).
Dude, as fun as it may be for conspiracy theorists to pander to this idea that online only is a greedy marketing scheme......if this game wasn't online only, the economy would be in a state of shambles already. Shit, it woulda been wrecked the first week.
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He said "as it was in D2"
I won't go so far as to claim that perhaps a method will never be discovered, whether by accident or otherwise, to dupe items.
Because the game is server side, it'll be stomped the fuck out in a junkyard minute.
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Defiantly. I think Voix is correct tho; Unless battle.net itself is actually hacked, changing item codes to dupe won't happen. We've all seen 'lag' dupes, where pretty much the server itself fucks up, and while this type of exploit might be repeatable as soon as it's fixed correctly, duping won't exist.
You can't and you won't know that unless you're a Blizzard employee. Unless a serious leak happens (or a method gets widely abused) there won't be official information available to the public about Blizzard's anti-hack effectiveness. So you can have your opinion, but you can never be certain about the truth, whatever it is. Well, okay, maybe someday, in a Blizzard historical retrospective...
So we can't know the truth, but we won't get a lie either. Blizzard doesn't lie... sometimes it conceals truth well, but no, not lieing. So did we hear Blizzard saying "we did not detect any duping" or "there is no duping in Diablo III" after release? No we didn't, because Blizzard doesn't lie. Bear this in mind: when there's no official denial, there's unofficial confirmation. We can't know for sure though...
Very wise, sir.
The 'ol "We will not confirm or deny" line. Typically, this is an admission by omission.
I would ask people to be careful in presuming that the silence is confirmation of a viable in-game duping method. Despite the very angst ridden, condescending and oft times immature protestations by some here, in this thread, that in-game duping has arrived and is running rampant, there is much evidence that this is likely just isolated incidents of rollback scamming.
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Anyhow, look at my post date of this thread, when I was making a warning about the best neck on USA server will get duped. It's only been 5 days and there's already two top 25 barbs wearing the neck.
Now, whether the duping is rollbacks, server-hacking, lag, and whatever else it can possibly be. It simply doesn't matter, when you have the best items in the game continuously being duped at a very fast rate it breaks the game's economy and the effects will be felt all the way down to the mid-tier and low-tier items as well.
http://www.diablopro...m/item/17730069 <--- keep an eye on this, there will be plenty more in the upcoming days.
http://us.battle.net...04017309?page=1 <- the real discussion is here, for the non-trolls of diablofans.com if you would like to join in the actual discussion of duped items.
http://us.battle.net...66836638?page=1 <- Duping method possibilities thread here, if you want to hypothesize about how people are duping, but does it even matter?
Edit: I find it very amusing that Blizzard takes botting so seriously and is very responsive to every single botting thread, yet every single duping thread goes unanswered, ask yourselves which is a bigger problem?
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You can't take a person, who cannot tell the difference between rollback dupes and actual player dupes. A person who ignores the most obvious facts, since his mind can only say dupe dupe dupe dupe. His blind to facts and logic.
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okay, what are you even talking about?
if your going to troll, at least makes some kind of sense.
oh nice of you to contribute, well nothing.
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I'm not sure why you keep trying to flame me? IF you want to make a public thread, expect opposing opinions. Just because I give a different take than what your agenda wishes to see espoused.....it doesn't mean I am a troll.
Your posts get deleted because they contain inflammatory rhetoric aimed at me and other posters. Just more evidence that you seem to seek blame in rather......odd sources.
Botting is the new flavor of the week at Bnet. Last weeks it was dupes.
If you had some semblance of patience and a reasonable thought process, you would realize that Blizz attacks duping with the same zeal. Though I would consider duping to be a far more sensitive issue, thus warranting a great deal of tact, judiciousness and silence on the part of Blizz.
From Blue statement regarding Bots/Cheats and why they don't practice full disclosure at every hiccup heard round the realms;
http://us.battle.net...ic/7200050113#6
An important thing to keep in mind is that we don't make public announcements every time we action players for cheating, and the reason for this is that we are constantly removing this kind of exploitative behavior from the game -- on a weekly basis, sometimes even on daily basis. Public announcements would become tedious if we decided to make one every single time we banned someone for using a bot, a hack, or some other kind of cheat. Instead, we usually will post something whenever we issue a big wave, or whenever we feel like we need to remind players that exploitative behavior is not okay and can lead to a permanent ban from Diablo III.
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Need I remind you who made an embarrassment out of himself on the thread by first starting flaming/trolling to win an argument that you were losing, not only to quickly have mods delete the conversation after you realized how big of a mistake it was.
It's quite simple, public forum like you said, stop getting mods to delete my posts because your not happy.
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You assume too much. What if Blizzard uses some kind of NoSQL database? That's not a far guess, considering the amount of data they need to access every minute. How do you know that these are the only possibilities to generate new items? The gem dupe happened abusing the AH for example... not even in game!
So yeah. Hackers gonna hack, and you won't know about their success if they're subtle enough. Let's just hope Blizzard can stomp on their attempts in a timely manner...
...and considering that they allowed the wizard invulnerability bug over a month, and reacted only when it went public, we can't be sure about that either.
For those people claiming that recent dupes floating around are from rollbacks, you should not argue with such conviction. Using logic that rollbacks and the amount of dupes are the clear answer, you then ask for proof to the contrary. However your argument doesn't prove anything either, and asking for people to show you a dupe method is absurd. Which is basically what you're doing since you don't argue that the dupes exist, just how they were created.
If we continue to use logic to argue these points, you should consider other reasonable points.
The bottom line is this, duping is a real thing, the method used and arguing about it is pointless.