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there is thing called leader board and its competitive game. and botting doesnt affect one's game? go play something different casuals, lmao

Outside of the leaderboard which boils down to meaning jackshit besides claiming you're #1 how does it affect the game? Please I'll wait while you come up with a valid GOOD reason. There is no PVP, no actual arena setup that would matter, nothing you gain from being #1 that puts you above someone else. You're acting as if this is some esports type of game where being on the top leaderboard means a damn thing. Please by all means put you reached the first to 70 or top paragon in season 5 of diablo 3 on your resume.

move along folks..move along.

i dont know what fuck you do in this game mate, but if you play this game and not even try to push ranks at all, just get the fuck off this post plz. you are 100% irrelevant. Only reason you'd be here playing casual, care about this post would be you are botting. If that is case, quit game, get fucking real, and work more shits on ur resume.
Otherwise, are you just here to disrespect players who take this game more seriously than you do?
Every fucking person in this planet knows being best at a game is worthless as fuck. Tho there are people paying for those talents. People care, whether or not you do, or even other people who pay do.
Being casual about game is fine, but dont go around fucking disrespecting other players who take it serious, please.

Nice incoherent rambling. I've been here since 2012 who are you?

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there is thing called leader board and its competitive game. and botting doesnt affect one's game? go play something different casuals, lmao

Outside of the leaderboard which boils down to meaning jackshit besides claiming you're #1 how does it affect the game? Please I'll wait while you come up with a valid GOOD reason. There is no PVP, no actual arena setup that would matter, nothing you gain from being #1 that puts you above someone else. You're acting as if this is some esports type of game where being on the top leaderboard means a damn thing. Please by all means put you reached the first to 70 or top paragon in season 5 of diablo 3 on your resume.

move along folks..move along.

Not really sure why it matters? Are you that upset you can't be on the top of a leaderboard that is utterly pointless and in the long run absolutely meaningless?

Botting has been around forever and at this point in the game they've removed any avenue that would allow someone else being that far ahead of you to negatively impact your game

auction house is gone

trading is gone

your individual experience is in no way dictated by outside forces for someone else botting on their account.

suck it up and move on.

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What long term goal are you referring to? D2 never had one, it never needed one. I wish people would understand what the Hack and Slash Genre is. You farm to mix/max your character and push yourself and that's pretty much it. The end game is what YOU make of it. D2 received very small patches throughout its lifetime so compared to Diablo 3 they've gone above and beyond improving this game when they really don't need to at all anymore. I was a huge critic of this game when it shipped because it was garage and terribly imbalanced but they've made tons of great changes. The game does need a viable form of PVP or world PVP where you can just go outside of town and duel. That is the ''end game'' people wanted in diablo 2. You got leveled up min/maxed your gear and PVP'd and that was that.

D2 totally did. Did you ever try making a rune word without trading for all of the duped runes floating around? It was a long term goal to try to gather the runes needed to create the RW you desired. But, since there were ways to always be working toward that goal (countess runes, hell forge ,the pit, etc), you could make progress on it steadily.
Paragon and legendary gems are attempts at this, but at least to me, they don't feel like quite enough. Just because they've done well at improving the game from launch doesn't mean there isn't more that can be done, even if it comes via another expansion.
Also, as with everything, sweeping statements lend don't strengthen an argument. Things like, "That is the ''end game'' people wanted in diablo 2. You got leveled up min/maxed your gear and PVP'd and that was that." While that was true for some people, there are also plenty of people who never touched PVP in D2 and still managed to play it quite a bit. There is no one "right" way to play the game.

Okay so you just said that hunting for items (runes) was end game. So
substitute that rune for whatever ancient item of your set piece of
have..and its now the same argument. Min/maxing your character for the
best possible setup is the end game. You've just given me the exact
same scenario but in diablo 2 terms..both are exactly interchangeable so
what are you trying to argue? As far as my statement about PVP, okay
PVP aside, you min-maxed your character to destroy PVE and that was the
"End game". Your argument literally makes zero sense because again as I stated, the end game for people is what YOU make of it.

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2) There was a long term goal that players could work toward while farming.

This is exacly what D3 needs, currently everyone plays for few weeks since start of season/patch and after that theres nothin'g to do if u aren't super hardcore and not going for top 10 gr ladder.

We need more interesting ways to improve that aren't 100% luck based (no, flat main stat increase isn't interesting) and need more variety in games, mby some weekly challenges mby some gr alternatives.

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Unlimited exping is not endgame.

Loot hunting, trading, pvp should be.

Well What a lovely thread to my my first post (in quite some time on) Diablo 3 just like diablo 2 has been a loot hunting game. The game ends when you get bored of it. I've abandoned the notion of any sort of worthwhile PVP for this game but again diablo 2's PVP was driven by the community not the developers. If you want an ''end game'' such as you suggested go back to WoW. I absolutely hated Diablo 3 when it first came out due to the terrible imbalance, bugs, RMAH, AH and last but not least.. Jay Wilson. Today Diablo 3 is worlds apart from what is what and compared to the ''updates'' you were given in diablo 2 they've given us MUCH MUCH more with Diablo 3 and RoS.

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Look at the numbers, I've paid just 100 dollars for over 600 hours of entertainment over 2 years

That's 17 cents an hour. If I had kept my WoW subscription the entire two years I've played Diablo it would've costed me 311 dollars and that's without counting the cost of the expansion.

A netflix subscription would've likely been over 200 dollars over 2 years, the same would apply to other streaming services and premium cable channels.

I'm more than willing to pay extra cash for quality entertainment regardless of its genre, if Blizzard delivered on quicker content and quality of life improvements I'd be super happy to shell out extra cash. If another company decided to provide the same better and cheaper I'd likely make the switch.

Saying no outright to microtransactions just because you paid for the game is being super close minded, it has worked wonders for WoW and whenever they decide to introduce it to Diablo is it likely to be just good long term.

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I think micro transactions popping back up in Diablo 3 in any form just cheapens the game again. Granted you're not gaining any real advantage..but they've already got enough games with micro transactions ..lets leave Diablo 3 out of it.

I'm going to have to constantly fight the conservative mindset here.

I really wish people would stop convincing themselves "things worked this way before, let's just keep doing this forever" When reality shows there's even better methods to develop! But most people screw it up which only continues to perpetuate these fears. So please, let's try to open our mind to greater possibilities.

Okay I'll phrase it this way, I'd prefer they worked on aspects of the game that actually need improvements i.e. itemization, PVP, etc etc etc. If you want microtransactions that should be at the bottom of the barrel in terms of priority. Adding in micro transactions effectively does nothing, but if your enjoyment of the game is peaked by new voice-overs or being able to rock an all purple set ..then have at it.

Also, if they dared add a micro transaction or fee to get more stash space, I'd probably be pretty pissed off.

Okay... but those are two different topics and two different industries you're comparing. We're talking about and discussing Microtransactions. The people who develop and implement the finance structure within Blizzard aren't (or at least shouldn't be) the people are coding the game or people plugging in the extra artwork. They're the people applying a proper measurement of income based on the proper development of the game. Essentially what I'm trying to say is, we can have both. And it would be nice if BOTH aspects did their jobs to the best of their abilities and synergized with one another more beneficially.

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I think micro transactions popping back up in Diablo 3 in any form just cheapens the game again. Granted you're not gaining any real advantage..but they've already got enough games with micro transactions ..lets leave Diablo 3 out of it.

I'm going to have to constantly fight the conservative mindset here.

I really wish people would stop convincing themselves "things worked this way before, let's just keep doing this forever" When reality shows there's even better methods to develop! But most people screw it up which only continues to perpetuate these fears. So please, let's try to open our mind to greater possibilities.