Unfortunatly this build sucks compared to frenzy/sidarm and revenge/prov with wotb up in a revenge spec i can revenge spam for 400+ plus aoe.. and altought the charge does give some pretty nice crits and with the cd reduction is quite nice.. but without the heal this build will not allow you to clear the game.
Did you even try it?
Healing is what you need when just stand there and take it... You dont in this build. Thats what you have IP + WotB for.
Ya, exactly. If you're standing there and stack frenzy-sidearm no wonder you're needing all those heals. The idea here is to grab a giant mace and smash them before they can hit you. If I do take revenge as 2h it will not be up most of the time because I'm never surrounded as mobs are falling left and right...
I'm assuming you're doing 1h+shield. As others have said, bloodthirst scale terribly at low dps (you get 80% penalty for lifesteal in inferno). It can become more attractive later on once your dps is over 60k or so, but not as 1h+shield spec.
Don't use inspiring presence just to make battle rage lasts longer. If you're having trouble keeping battle rage up, try spamming it with warcry (btw, you NEED warcry:impunity if you want to continue later acts. No wonder you can't continue act2). Warcry has 30 seconds cd, generate 30 rage. Battle Fury costs 20 rage, lasts 30 seconds. If you have both then you can always press them together as if they were one button and you'll always be buffed.
Ruthless will ALWAYS give you a great dps boost, regardless of your current crit %. Ruthless will almost always give more dps boost compare to weapon master in all cases. If you really want to maximize dps, go for ruthless+weapon master+berserker rage (if you're not spending fury).
Furious charge is NOT your only aoe. Revenge does a lot of damage and as tank barb a huge chunk of your damage will be coming from revenge. Between EQ and wotb I'd choose wotb if you're using 1h since EQ scales horribly with fast 1 hand.
I'm seeing a lot of dps boost skills. Now since you didn't include any gear I'm going to assume that your dps might not be that great. If you're having trouble dying (seeing you try to have bloodthirst), then you basically have 2 option: You can either try to kill enemies as soon as you can, or you can pump out defense and try to outlast them.
If you're not very geared and going 1h+shield then first option is not going to be possible, so outlasting them might be a better idea. You NEED warcry as barb in inferno, period. Try swapping in some more defensive passive and see if you survive better. It does not matter if you kill them a bit slower if that means u can tank them forever.
I've played around with modifying this build a bit more. Testing this against other 2h build (like slam build). This build still gives flat out the best dps you could ever have (for those who say you have better dps in tank spec, that's from your gear and i assure you if you swap to this build your dps will increase even more).
Only problem I have is that the burst damage is slightly inferior with 3-2-1 build with both wotb and eq. I tried to work in EQ to my skills but it was hard to drop any. Dropping IP is out of question because it offers you so much survivability. I tried swapping out charge for EQ and rely mostly on cleave to do aoe damage, however it turns out cleave takes much longer to clear trash and it doesn't quite do as much damage in single target anymore.
It turns out that with the flat 55% damage plus, EQ alone without wotb is mostly enough to kill any elite pack (provided you're sufficiently geared for the content). If you think about it, 55% is only half wotb+eq combo, which is usually overkill anyway. EQ also works nicely that it doesn't consume rage (with rune) so it doesn't take a bit to ramp up the damage as wotb would. EQ also has shorter cd so you can burn elites faster, only downside is losing cc immunity from wotb, but with EQ you can just land EQ and run like crazy as mobs literally melt in 3 seconds.
TL;DR - Dropped wotb for EQ gives you much better burst, costs no rage, and shorter cooldown. Nice modification to this build.
Also noticed that if you are slowed when you charge, you charge in slow motion. No control of your character till you reach your destination. And mobs will hit you. That hurts, so always be on the lookout for slowing mobs.
One time, I got knocked by fire chains mob and decided to charge right back. I watched as my character slowly charge along the entire length of fire chains.... needless to say what arrived at the destination was no longer a barb but a bag of exploding flesh..
The crit/critdmg really helps out nicely. I bought a few upgrades and now I can pump my dps up to 46k unbuffed and a whopping 72k buffed. Problem is now my vit is really low.... need to get it back somehow.
Having the time of my life with this build. A very welcome change from SnB.
Cant help but feel like a Vanguard in ME2/3. Charge, charge, CHARGE! Only with a huuuuge two handed hammer instead of a shotgun
Kudos
LOL This is kind of true. Didn't notice that before.
Day 2 of this. Still loving the build. Act 1 is a breeze (but then again, it always were;) ). Act 2 you need to play a bit more tactical, at least with my gear, but still very enjoyable.
Act 3 I have only tried briefly as this build, but I believe i just need a bit more gear before i can farm it comfortably.
Suggested names for the build:
Vanguard (it really, REALLY reminds me of that ME playstyle)
The PAIN-TRAIN!
Freight-train-build
God I love running over entire packs with charge! Again, kudos on the build, was the breath of fresh air my barb needed.
Only thing that kinda bothers me in this build is when you go in "dry", ie. no rage. It takes a bit to build up.
I like the Vanguard idea! If I had thought of ME earlier I surely would've named this thread "Vanguard barb 2h build"
I managed to clear entire act3 with this build, so it's definitely doable. You have to play a bit defensively, and more vit and res definitely helps! Sounds like your gear is almost there yourself, just keep trying.
Having no rage can be a pain, but then again you only does 25% less damage as oppose to many other build that need a whole time to set up (and surely a few charges will bring your rage pool back to full again).
One problem that I kept running into, however, is the furious charge animation stuck. You are completely immobile for a good 1 second or so after you land your charge, so sometimes when charge becomes buggy and stop short, extra charge (no pun intended) for no reason, or simply just bad positioning from my part I can land in the middle of arcane sentry and fall dead. Also sometimes against some combo I find that it's better to be a bit more patient and save your charge for when you need to get out of jail or only when you know it will get refresh, as being caught with charge off cd can be a pain sometimes.
I don't think whirlwind build is the way to go since mobs die so fast and you spend most of your time in between packs. Plus for each pack ww build takes a while to set up and let the damage build.
act1 mobs are so weak that with some decent 2h, every trash will die within 2 swings of cleave with rupture. For champion packs you can alternate between EQ+Ignore Pain and watch them die in 5 seconds or just wotb+Ignore Pain while waiting for EQ cooldown. You only spend your rage on one ability and that is to sprint as fast as possible to get to the next elite pack.
Whaaat? You really need ignore pain and EQ for act 1? Are you in hell 55ilvl gear or wtf? Waste of skills, even with 300res, 15kdps 30khp (you can buy such stats for 200k or less) is super easy to farm warden/butcher and packs.
Get leap for mobility and shortcuts, charge with reduced cd on hit for even more mobility, frenzy sidearm or maniac, sprint 5s, revenge with provocation, and wotb insanity. in a1 you can't encounter an elite pack that will survive 15 wotb/+100% damage unless you use 100dps normal sword.
I use ignore pain just for safety measure so I don't have to move or avoid damage. If you actually read my post I said I used EQ and wotb ALTERNATIVELY.
You really don't need any other hitting ability since everything dies to one cleave. You kill (and run, with marathon) so fast, your wotb will be on cd half the time, but with EQ you always have a button to instakill an elite pack.
Don't really need any more mobility when you can spam sprint, really, and charge actually does not allow you to run that much faster because of the animation lock afterwards.
I enjoy my tactics much more
1. Make friends
2. Get dps up to 35k
3. Let monk friend run in first
4. Pop WOTB jump to 80k dps and kill everything
5. ?????
6. Profit
OT I am enjoying 2h dps but like I said since I hate single player games I almost never play alone and therefore don't have to worry as much about defensive stats.
Using this build my 40k dps jumps to 61k when fully buffed (which is up 100% of the time). This allow me to 1 shot almost every mobs in act 2 and defensive stat becomes much less of a concern cz dead stuff cannot do damage :P. Against elites I just pop wotb+ignore pain and my dps goes up to 150k and can pretty much kill elites before ignore pain wears off.
I find that 2h barb tend to not scale really well for 3-4 players though. With 4 players the mob hp becomes so big you can't effectively 2-3 shot them anymore unless your party are all focusing them down. With more players (especially with range players who doesn't help you tank) I had to play a bit more defensive or I will die a lot.
No offense but has it ever occurred to you that if you're dying, you might need more defense? How can you call it "sustain/damage mitigation build" if 2/3 passives are for damage???
Drop ruthless and weapon master passive for tough as nails and superstition. Drop overpower for furious charge: Dreadnaught. Drop wotb for ignore pain: iron hide. Do leap->ignorepain->leap rotation.
For sword and board barb there is no reason boosting dps if your damage intake > your heals. Go for maximum defensive build to try clear the act first, then try to swap out some defensive abilities or gears for more offensive stat for faster farming.
No matter what, you should ALWAYS have impunity. Even for blow em up build.
Try this first, then you can start modifying from that to see if you can kill stuff any faster while still staying alive.
P.S. I wouldn't recommend it, but if you really want a "blow em up" build for bursting elite, it should look more like this http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/barbarian#WVRTPk!Vbe!acbbZc this build will give you plenty survivability for the trash mobs but allow you to go 3-2-1 and blow up the elites.
THIS BUILD bringed back the joy to play as a barb to me. I have seen other builds, but based on really good weapons and gear, or crazy high IAS (before the nerf). Back in the day, I gave up hope on my barb, since I was obligued to sword and board, and got no money.
I changed the build a little to suit my needs instead of Wrath of the Berserker I use Earthquake (The Mountain's Call) and Ancient Spear (Dread Spear) in the place of the furious charge. When I see a rare pack I just earthquake+ignore pain, they melt and keep me at full health, If anybody try to run... I hook them back.
I loved the build its great for the 2 handed lovers! if you invest a little on crit, the big numbers start poping everywhere!! +1 to you good sir!!
I'm glad you like it Interesting modification. How did you find the lack of aoe work out for you?
I have 22k dps, 38% crit, 312 crit damage, 50k hp, 6,5k armor and ~500 res without wc. And my gear is worth like ~3 milion. I can do a2 with eyes closed, tank everything (even molten/plaued/arcane) and kill packs in few second if i pop up wotb.
This build is total nonsense to me. I just don't see why i should drop so much of my defense in order to cheese play in a3? I bet you die there A LOT and kitting single pack for 3 minutes.
I have the same and gear for sword and board spec as well. As I've mentioned, I used to do sword and board until I realize I can already breeze through everything in this game. After that gearing so I can survive better becomes kinda pointless.
The whole point of this 2h spec is to HAVE FUN! (It's a game, remember) And sword and board, while easy to play, is very slow and inefficient in terms of farming (sure, with wotb u can kill elite so fast but you still take a while to kill normal pack while I can kill whole white pack in one hit with a 2 hander).
Yes I do die a lot, at first. It takes some getting used to, because you cannot just stand and tank in plague/arcane/molten anymore (I could if I just pick up my shield, but then it gets pretty old real quick). After a while you get used to avoiding damage and survive a lot longer. No, I do not kite elite for 3 minutes because barely anything still stands after Wotb wears off.
This build is NOT for those who want the path of least resistance in progressing through the game. It's about having fun doing tons of damage for a change. It can also farm lower content much more effectively (I one shot through almost everything in act2). If you want the best way to not die and have highest chance to progress, go sword and board. Playing 2h is a gamble that they die before you do.
Heck, if you like sword and board so much, you can even do it with this build. Swap out bash for frenzy, ruthless and weapon master passives for armor ones and you should be good to go, except that now you're doing 55% more damage than you used to.
i have 300 crit dmg and im lovin it, pop all cds and elites explode in seconds also lifesteal is awesome for this
im very happy with low investment (like 1.5m) got a beast, my wd had like 5m investment and it sucked
Yes! Unlike some builds that rely heavily on into the fray, this build can work with almost any gear should you choose. In this sense it require very little gear replacement from what you already had. Although optimally stacking some crit% and crit dmg seem to be the best way to boost up your dps. I myself has stacked some crit and crit dmg (don't remember the value on the top of my head), and my crit can go up to like 200k (without wotb).
Of course lifesteal helps greatly, but I've played this without it and the rate at which you kill stuff is fast enough that health globes is more than enough. Note that attack speed is almost useless for this so that's one stat less you have to worry about.
Theoretically, I think this build is probably the highest dps you could ever obtain (as all the +dmg passive and active is there, minus brawler). The burst damage is also good but inferior to wotb+eq combo (but if you can reliably spam merciless assault it comes pretty close). Maybe if you can swap out ignore pain and put in EQ (and somehow manage to survive) this might actually work, too.
I don't know where you get the idea from, but sword and board is far from being obsolete and there's very few barb going towards "high crit damage 2H build".
Sword and board is still, and possibly always be, the easiest way to progress as it allows a lot of room for error. However, it is not the most efficient way to farm due to how slow it kill stuff (act 3 5NV+siegebreaker run can take anywhere from 45m-1hr as sword and board), so it's true that some people are experimenting with some dps build as the game settle down to farming phase (me myself included).
As for gears, the most important piece of gear for sword and board is possibly shield. Go search for shield with +9% block and try to find sacred shield (3-4k block value) with block % as high as possible (max is 29% for sacred shield). You don't really have to worry if your shield has stats or not, unless you're willing to pay for them. Sure if you have plenty of money you can fancy some 32% block stormshield if you want, or slab around justice lantern, helm of command, string of ears, etc...
Then you basically have to max vit/res/armor and after you can stay alive through anything, try to boost your dmg up so you kill faster. You can get LoH or a socket 1h weapon if you can afford it, but you don't need LoH to progress as snb barb. That's essentially all there is as far as "gearing sword and board barb" goes.
This spec will get you all the way through diablo with sufficient gear. Just chain leap: iron impact (4 seconds) -> ignore pain: iron hide (7 seconds) -> leap: iron impact (4 seconds) for a maximum 15 seconds of near invulnerabilty and every elite pack will seem like cakewalk to you.
I have around 30% crit and I think around 180% crit damage. However, neither of those stats are required at all for this build (as oppose to build like range barb or double tornado that rely on into the fray proc and heavily dependent on crit).
You're really only trying to maximize your weapon swing damage so whatever gives you the best boost in dps will help (except for ias. While ias improves your paper dps it does not make any of your abilities hit any harder).
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Ya, exactly. If you're standing there and stack frenzy-sidearm no wonder you're needing all those heals. The idea here is to grab a giant mace and smash them before they can hit you. If I do take revenge as 2h it will not be up most of the time because I'm never surrounded as mobs are falling left and right...
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Don't use inspiring presence just to make battle rage lasts longer. If you're having trouble keeping battle rage up, try spamming it with warcry (btw, you NEED warcry:impunity if you want to continue later acts. No wonder you can't continue act2). Warcry has 30 seconds cd, generate 30 rage. Battle Fury costs 20 rage, lasts 30 seconds. If you have both then you can always press them together as if they were one button and you'll always be buffed.
Ruthless will ALWAYS give you a great dps boost, regardless of your current crit %. Ruthless will almost always give more dps boost compare to weapon master in all cases. If you really want to maximize dps, go for ruthless+weapon master+berserker rage (if you're not spending fury).
Furious charge is NOT your only aoe. Revenge does a lot of damage and as tank barb a huge chunk of your damage will be coming from revenge. Between EQ and wotb I'd choose wotb if you're using 1h since EQ scales horribly with fast 1 hand.
I'm seeing a lot of dps boost skills. Now since you didn't include any gear I'm going to assume that your dps might not be that great. If you're having trouble dying (seeing you try to have bloodthirst), then you basically have 2 option: You can either try to kill enemies as soon as you can, or you can pump out defense and try to outlast them.
If you're not very geared and going 1h+shield then first option is not going to be possible, so outlasting them might be a better idea. You NEED warcry as barb in inferno, period. Try swapping in some more defensive passive and see if you survive better. It does not matter if you kill them a bit slower if that means u can tank them forever.
Personally, I'd recommend every 1h+shield barb to start out with this spec: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/barbarian#WXRVSk!bVe!aaZccc
Then, once you're a bit more comfortable with staying alive you can try to swap out some defense for a bit more damage.
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Only problem I have is that the burst damage is slightly inferior with 3-2-1 build with both wotb and eq. I tried to work in EQ to my skills but it was hard to drop any. Dropping IP is out of question because it offers you so much survivability. I tried swapping out charge for EQ and rely mostly on cleave to do aoe damage, however it turns out cleave takes much longer to clear trash and it doesn't quite do as much damage in single target anymore.
It turns out that with the flat 55% damage plus, EQ alone without wotb is mostly enough to kill any elite pack (provided you're sufficiently geared for the content). If you think about it, 55% is only half wotb+eq combo, which is usually overkill anyway. EQ also works nicely that it doesn't consume rage (with rune) so it doesn't take a bit to ramp up the damage as wotb would. EQ also has shorter cd so you can burn elites faster, only downside is losing cc immunity from wotb, but with EQ you can just land EQ and run like crazy as mobs literally melt in 3 seconds.
TL;DR - Dropped wotb for EQ gives you much better burst, costs no rage, and shorter cooldown. Nice modification to this build.
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One time, I got knocked by fire chains mob and decided to charge right back. I watched as my character slowly charge along the entire length of fire chains.... needless to say what arrived at the destination was no longer a barb but a bag of exploding flesh..
The crit/critdmg really helps out nicely. I bought a few upgrades and now I can pump my dps up to 46k unbuffed and a whopping 72k buffed. Problem is now my vit is really low.... need to get it back somehow.
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I like the Vanguard idea! If I had thought of ME earlier I surely would've named this thread "Vanguard barb 2h build"
I managed to clear entire act3 with this build, so it's definitely doable. You have to play a bit defensively, and more vit and res definitely helps! Sounds like your gear is almost there yourself, just keep trying.
Having no rage can be a pain, but then again you only does 25% less damage as oppose to many other build that need a whole time to set up (and surely a few charges will bring your rage pool back to full again).
One problem that I kept running into, however, is the furious charge animation stuck. You are completely immobile for a good 1 second or so after you land your charge, so sometimes when charge becomes buggy and stop short, extra charge (no pun intended) for no reason, or simply just bad positioning from my part I can land in the middle of arcane sentry and fall dead. Also sometimes against some combo I find that it's better to be a bit more patient and save your charge for when you need to get out of jail or only when you know it will get refresh, as being caught with charge off cd can be a pain sometimes.
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I use ignore pain just for safety measure so I don't have to move or avoid damage. If you actually read my post I said I used EQ and wotb ALTERNATIVELY.
You really don't need any other hitting ability since everything dies to one cleave. You kill (and run, with marathon) so fast, your wotb will be on cd half the time, but with EQ you always have a button to instakill an elite pack.
Don't really need any more mobility when you can spam sprint, really, and charge actually does not allow you to run that much faster because of the animation lock afterwards.
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LOL This is kind of true. Didn't notice that before.
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Using this build my 40k dps jumps to 61k when fully buffed (which is up 100% of the time). This allow me to 1 shot almost every mobs in act 2 and defensive stat becomes much less of a concern cz dead stuff cannot do damage :P. Against elites I just pop wotb+ignore pain and my dps goes up to 150k and can pretty much kill elites before ignore pain wears off.
I find that 2h barb tend to not scale really well for 3-4 players though. With 4 players the mob hp becomes so big you can't effectively 2-3 shot them anymore unless your party are all focusing them down. With more players (especially with range players who doesn't help you tank) I had to play a bit more defensive or I will die a lot.
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Drop ruthless and weapon master passive for tough as nails and superstition. Drop overpower for furious charge: Dreadnaught. Drop wotb for ignore pain: iron hide. Do leap->ignorepain->leap rotation.
For sword and board barb there is no reason boosting dps if your damage intake > your heals. Go for maximum defensive build to try clear the act first, then try to swap out some defensive abilities or gears for more offensive stat for faster farming.
No matter what, you should ALWAYS have impunity. Even for blow em up build.
My suggestion for "sustained" build is http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/barbarian#WXkSVR!Vbe!aacccZ
Try this first, then you can start modifying from that to see if you can kill stuff any faster while still staying alive.
P.S. I wouldn't recommend it, but if you really want a "blow em up" build for bursting elite, it should look more like this http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/barbarian#WVRTPk!Vbe!acbbZc this build will give you plenty survivability for the trash mobs but allow you to go 3-2-1 and blow up the elites.
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I'm glad you like it
I have the same and gear for sword and board spec as well. As I've mentioned, I used to do sword and board until I realize I can already breeze through everything in this game. After that gearing so I can survive better becomes kinda pointless.
The whole point of this 2h spec is to HAVE FUN! (It's a game, remember) And sword and board, while easy to play, is very slow and inefficient in terms of farming (sure, with wotb u can kill elite so fast but you still take a while to kill normal pack while I can kill whole white pack in one hit with a 2 hander).
Yes I do die a lot, at first. It takes some getting used to, because you cannot just stand and tank in plague/arcane/molten anymore (I could if I just pick up my shield, but then it gets pretty old real quick). After a while you get used to avoiding damage and survive a lot longer. No, I do not kite elite for 3 minutes because barely anything still stands after Wotb wears off.
This build is NOT for those who want the path of least resistance in progressing through the game. It's about having fun doing tons of damage for a change. It can also farm lower content much more effectively (I one shot through almost everything in act2). If you want the best way to not die and have highest chance to progress, go sword and board. Playing 2h is a gamble that they die before you do.
Heck, if you like sword and board so much, you can even do it with this build. Swap out bash for frenzy, ruthless and weapon master passives for armor ones and you should be good to go, except that now you're doing 55% more damage than you used to.
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Yes! Unlike some builds that rely heavily on into the fray, this build can work with almost any gear should you choose. In this sense it require very little gear replacement from what you already had. Although optimally stacking some crit% and crit dmg seem to be the best way to boost up your dps. I myself has stacked some crit and crit dmg (don't remember the value on the top of my head), and my crit can go up to like 200k (without wotb).
Of course lifesteal helps greatly, but I've played this without it and the rate at which you kill stuff is fast enough that health globes is more than enough. Note that attack speed is almost useless for this so that's one stat less you have to worry about.
Theoretically, I think this build is probably the highest dps you could ever obtain (as all the +dmg passive and active is there, minus brawler). The burst damage is also good but inferior to wotb+eq combo (but if you can reliably spam merciless assault it comes pretty close). Maybe if you can swap out ignore pain and put in EQ (and somehow manage to survive) this might actually work, too.
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Sword and board is still, and possibly always be, the easiest way to progress as it allows a lot of room for error. However, it is not the most efficient way to farm due to how slow it kill stuff (act 3 5NV+siegebreaker run can take anywhere from 45m-1hr as sword and board), so it's true that some people are experimenting with some dps build as the game settle down to farming phase (me myself included).
As for gears, the most important piece of gear for sword and board is possibly shield. Go search for shield with +9% block and try to find sacred shield (3-4k block value) with block % as high as possible (max is 29% for sacred shield). You don't really have to worry if your shield has stats or not, unless you're willing to pay for them. Sure if you have plenty of money you can fancy some 32% block stormshield if you want, or slab around justice lantern, helm of command, string of ears, etc...
Then you basically have to max vit/res/armor and after you can stay alive through anything, try to boost your dmg up so you kill faster. You can get LoH or a socket 1h weapon if you can afford it, but you don't need LoH to progress as snb barb. That's essentially all there is as far as "gearing sword and board barb" goes.
For spec, just use the most common snb spec: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/barbarian#WVRXSk!bVe!acZacc
This spec will get you all the way through diablo with sufficient gear. Just chain leap: iron impact (4 seconds) -> ignore pain: iron hide (7 seconds) -> leap: iron impact (4 seconds) for a maximum 15 seconds of near invulnerabilty and every elite pack will seem like cakewalk to you.
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I have around 30% crit and I think around 180% crit damage. However, neither of those stats are required at all for this build (as oppose to build like range barb or double tornado that rely on into the fray proc and heavily dependent on crit).
You're really only trying to maximize your weapon swing damage so whatever gives you the best boost in dps will help (except for ias. While ias improves your paper dps it does not make any of your abilities hit any harder).
Unfortunately I do not have any way to record a video
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