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I'll call you stupid too, you're stupid. And no, you didn't just dumb it down, you totally enilated it and changed the originals alligories meaning by trying to come to the same conclusion with your example as the cave allegories.

I didn't say stupid, I said unintelligent. Different meanings. I think you may have read it, but took the most literal conclusion and stuck with it. There was no cave. There were no people chained in it. It is a story. But if there were people in a cave forced to just look at the wall shadows, they would each have a different perception on reality. You can't get past the part that "they aren't in the real world" or "everyone else knows that's not reality." That doesn't matter. But hey, you can't even form proper arguments or rebuttals so obviously you can't understand what I'm trying to tell you, so I'll stop trying to teach you now.

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Are you really going to try and prove reality with a movie?

The Matrix is a work of fiction, yes, but that does not mean the concept is not valid. It is a metaphor, just as the Bible is. Are you going to sit there and tell me a man lived inside of a fish for three days, and survived? That's obviously fiction, but there it is a metaphor. What about the talking mule in the Bible? Metaphor. Fiction. Yet you base your beliefs on it and blindly put faith in the writings of Shrek.

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The movie also makes everyone have the same perception of reality to an extent too, which you tried refuting as well.

The movie is a metaphor, stating that the reality we believe is real may not be the true reality. Just because everyone believes it does not make it fact.

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You totally tore the cave allegory apart with your example. I think you need to go reread it, btw, don't skip any lines and read slow.

Actually, I tried to dumb it down as far as possible while still making it understandable, because obviously you're not intelligent enough to grasp the point of it. And on the topic of intelligence, stop and think before you type. Please.

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Yes I've seen the matrix, one of my favorites :D. It's just a movie man, just a movie.

Reality, based on popular opinion, as you said, is exactly what the Matrix is. Because most people believe that 20th century dreamworld the computer created for them is the real world.

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That is true, but it doesn't mean it's the real one.

Prove to me that this is the real one.

Edit: A little off topic (but still relevant), but Twilight, have you seen the Matrix?

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Stephen King?

Yeah, all the objects (trees, tower, Roland) were black and the sky was a beige/white color, it was amazing.

Edit: I'm on my ooold, PC, it's uh... 1.5gb ram, ATI Radeon 9600, 1.8ghz AMD >.> my good PC is busted (3ghz Dualcore, 4gb dual channel, HD Radeon 5770) need a new mobo/CPU. When I get it back up and running I'll post the desktop I usually use.

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With the sword, it reminds me of the dead warrior that had Hauklin's Blade that Darrick Lang got.

DAMN YOU AND YOUR SPOILERS I'M HALFWAY THROUGH >:[

I like the pic though, pretty neat. Where's it from?

I had a really nice Dark Tower one before but I can't find it anymore. This is my current desktop:

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Things can be proved. I exist as a human being, that is a fact. And it can be proved I exist as a human being by looking at my DNA and the components of my physical body, as well as my thought processes.

Yes, it is fact, based in your perception of reality. Some of us can't just look at our hands and say "I exist" and know that 100%. We could all be asleep somewhere dreaming this, and wake up in a world where we have no arms or legs and float around everywhere by farting hard enough. I'm not saying that is true, or what I believe, but you can't prove we're all really here and viewing things the same way as everyone else.

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ALSO, the Allegory of the cave thing, as well as many of your other arguements seem to be like paradoxes, they just circle and circle, a philosophical trick. Kind of how I explained the Teapot thing above.

Okay. Go read Allegory of the Cave. Don't skip lines, don't speed-read, actually read it and absorb the information in the words. Then come back and form a valid argument.

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And just because someone is in a cave their whole life and doesn't see the world doesnt mean that shadows the only real thing. Doing that to someone would psychologically mess them up, that arguement is based on a HUGE what if of bs.

WHAT IF I WAS IN A COMA FOR MY ENTIRE LIFE, WOULD THE DREAM-LIKE STATE BE A REAL REALITY, NO MORE REAL THAN EARTH? (catch the drift)

Don't look at it as a cave, look at it as... a family I guess we can say. Your opinions are distinctly your own, because growing up in your cave (house, family, etc) was different than the cave I was in. Only we were in the same cave, but I percieved things differently than you. Understand? Your cave is your world. Going outside of your cave would be eye opening.

I know I didn't explain the cave properly, it's been a long 4 years since Philosophy class >.> if someone gets what I'm saying and wants to expand on or clarify, please do.

PS. Don't take everything so literally.

Purpose: <Signature>
Size: <500 wide, 75 tall (or around there)>
Description: <Link for the design below, the words "WISDOM BEGINS IN WONDER" beside it. Color can be anything you find right for it, you're the artist however I kinda sorta dislike neons ;p>
Predominant colors or feeling: <Feeling should be either wisdom or wonder>

is the image, the only good shot I could get of it is on a piece of jewelery >.>

is another of the same, both pics are bad quality, sorry :[

Thanks a ton, let me know if you need anything else

I heart you. Looking over them now.

I think I need one, not sure where to post. Anyone want to give me a hand with either taking my ideas/pics, and making a sig or giving me tips on how to make my own?

Touching yourself doesn't prove you exist, it proves you think you exist.

Welcome to the forums Jakewest :]

Now to all of you saying "Rogue" and meaning the invisible, stabby little bastard from WoW, shame on you. In these forums, in the D3 parts of them, Rogue means ranged (or melee depending on your tastes) and from Diablo 1.

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Let's get back on topic with this thought.

Is it possible to prove/disprove God's existence? Thoughts?

It is not possible, that is the point of faith.

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@Serini, just because I misinterpretted what you meant in one place doesnt mean im not capable of seeing other ppls views, forming rebuttals so on so forth. Your getting on my nerves a little bit.

Don is saying pretty much what I am, with more words. It's not only that you misinterpret a few things here and there, but also that you ignore entire posts because you can't debate the comments in them. And when you do try and respond, you basically say "No that's not true" with no fact (or fiction) of why.