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PvE only because of coop play !!

From my extremely limited pvping in diablo - and wow did I get my arse kicked - I had fun, but I felt it was very much decided by who had what items, which was a huge drag for me, as I just cannot be arsed to go farm gold for longer than necessary.

Point of the story? For players with my mindset, you can only play through a games story so many times before you grow bored and move on to the next game. PvP helps extend a games longevity

and I think Blizzard realizes this.

Not everything will be BoE. Like the example I used in my other post, just because the crafted amulet is bound doesn't mean the materials used to craft it are. It creates active trade among more objects in the game while leaving out the chance to be the best simply by having the best gear available without effort.

I still can't believe some people prefer spending 3 hours trying to trade some gear, instead of spending those 3 hours killing monsters. just a hypothetical question: if in 3 hours of PvE you got decent pieces of gear(to trade or use), would you rather play PvE for those 3 hours or would you rather spend 3 hours on trade channels?

I extremely doubt trade will take 3 hours with the new trade system.. if yes Blizzard failed.

I strongly suspect that if Blizzard decides to use a BoE/BoP economy, it will mainly be on player-created gear, with a few uniques and set items also in that repertoire. Think of crafted amulets from D2. If those were BoP (actually, bound when created), a lot more of the resources would have been burned by crafting amulets not for your class, although with a bit of luck you could still create something that is superior to nearly everything else in the game. These burned resources in turn need to be farmed again, or traded for again to give it another shot instead of skipping the hoopla and trading straight for the best you can afford.

As far as the PvE versus PvP arguement goes, the possibility of BoE/BoP is a pretty moot issue. The field is even between PvP participants. Need to craft amulets until you get what you need? Farm it out or do what most PvPers claim to have been doing anyway: play the market to get the materials needed to craft. You are now contributing to the economical system, driving up the demand until some PvE player is happy to earn coin in exchange for the materials you need, further validating the BoE/BoP system.

It's a matter of how we view the game. I look at it as a whole. If I want to play a PvP game, I'll buy a pvp game. I'm not going try and force the developers to change the game around how I want to play the game.

"Put yourself in blizzard's shoes: you spend years making a game, and along comes this group of players (PvP) who does everything in their power to avoid playing the game. a bit disheartening, no? now, you can say "oh, but we play the game, we just don't play it over and over and over again". that might be, but let's face it: most of your characters were probably rushed, anyway, so you hardly experienced the game at all. personally, i've completed the game with all classes at least once, and if you think finishing Hell with non-cookie-cutters is just a matter of grinding and farming....you're mistaken."

Good one, its like, where is your damn appreciation? kinda line, it works for me sometimes, I dont know for the others here.

The problem here is that D3 is a Hack'n slash...if you want people to keep on playing it, you need more and than adventure, you need competition.

PVP'ers don't give a flying crap about killing a Boss you killed two days ago again. The PVE enjoyment for us is in the experience of the first few playhtoughs of the game. And after that for the next 10 years or whatever, the fun is in PVP and the ever enjoyable climb towards the most perfect gear and gear combinations.

The alternative is when making a game, the game is either pvp enabled, or not.

How the f*ck does it affect your PVE experience? You don't want to trade for items then don't. Go PVE to your hearts content

Agreed, again, but I loved when people did this to my windy druid they would hostile find me die come back die again then rage when they started it so everyone who does this loves to "try" and dish it out, but when it backfires they cant take it.

Either way gold will remain at end game..pretty much useless.

As far as the d2 economy it was fine. I see nothing wrong with it.

Nobody would still use it for money, because if such a thing happened, it'd inflate like Zimbabwe, and something more stable in value would be preferred.

I find 100 gold. I can either save the gold, buy something from a vendor for it, or trade it to another player in exchange for an item.

How does that make the currency better or worse whether it is optional to use? Fact remains that, just as with gold, a certain amount of gems will be funneled into the playerbase from regular drops.

If I recall, Blizzard removed repairing. So let's ignore repairs, since it won't have any bearing on D3.

Easyaccessibility of gold is not an argument against using gold as a currency, it is an argument against it's validity as a currency in D2. Gold has always suffered from immense inflation in D2, but it was not because of gold itself.

Yes it was. The value of a commodity money is derived from its use(s). If gold had no use(s), people use something else that has uses ― like runes or Gems as money. For further information, link in the second paragraph. Gambling was an use, obviously, but the amount required to get something was in no relation to how much gold you could hold. Runes on the other hand, were used for all the end-game rune words. And before that, everybody basically needed two SoJ's for most of their characters.

If I could have traded for 300m gold to go on a gambling binge with, I'd totally offer some awesome stuff for it, but even wasting the time trying to make a deal to trade someone for 2m just isnt worth it.

You will be able to sell your BoE !! and with the money you'll be able to buy something in the trade room !! You just don't keep the goods items in the outstanding.

Gold is returned to the system when repairing, bying stuff from NPC's, dying etc.
Gems are returned to the system when used in cube recipies, when socketed into items etc.

The one difference is of course that there are seven gems and only one kind of gold. And I don't see the benefit of juggling seven potential currencies as opposed to one.

You're probably the only person who thinks that the D2 system worked well. You and the dupers, that is.

I think that BoE items is one of the nest things they are implementing to help control the economy. D2 has always been an item currency as oppose to gold. What ever the high-end necessary item was at the time became the new currency. Stopping people from trading such items makes gold remain the main form of currency. I could easily see the "best" skill rune quickly becomig the currency.

As for gold sinks, there are 100 ways any game can handle this. The easiest is to have a gold cost for many and all services in the game. Merchants, crafting new items, an auction house.