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    posted a message on What do you look for in a partner
    I think Equinox is one of those girls who whenever you see her you're like "she must be on her period." Besides, she has 6000 posts on a gaming forum, does not go to social gatherings, does not dress in a way that's visually pleasing, is big on robotics, and hates every other girl. I do not think her self-perceived notions of what women think is not speaking for most women as a whole.

    Edit: not playing hard to get. Just (at least appearing to be) qualifying the woman for her other attributes besides looks through casual conversation, and not making her the center of your universe until she has earned it by listening and responding to you, showing interest, and being an interesting person.
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    posted a message on What do you look for in a partner
    All of my posts here are on the topic of approaching and talking to strangers.
    "he may know the person" is not a valid argument because it is completely off topic. I really just do not understand your "research" comment, unless you are trying to pick up an author at a book signing...
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    posted a message on What do you look for in a partner
    Quote from "Equinox" »
    I see your problem. You define everything as animalism, and you eliminate the humane aspect of life out of all your equations. I guess I can't really help you then.

    But I'll tell you this. A huge chunk of people disagrees with you.
    We are animals, and animal instincts are embedded into us. Women become itchy on their wrists, shoulders, and hair, when they are in the presence of a high value man. She will scratch herself or touch her hair without thinking. This is from our ape ancestry when the female demonstrated the need to be groomed by a high value male (silverback or whatever).

    This conversation isn't about you, or me, and your offer to help seems out of place. This is about the fact that some men (and I guess women too *points*) just do not understand the nuances of social interaction. Obviously you do everything in a humane way and don't run up to the girl and start grooming her, but the feelings and reactions people have are evolutionary.

    These aren't 'my equations', they are scientific facts and commonalities found through studies, research, and experience by a large number of professionals and non-professionals. I expect you to disagree with me because you have a certain comfort level, you do not go to bars or anywhere too saturated with groveling men. Also if you are not that attractive or if you do not maintain your looks as well as many other women (and I assume one or the other from your statements), then you will not be approached much or have the feeling that men are trying to take advantage of you. You will ALREADY be in the comfort stage when talking to men and they will not need to sell themselves in any way or use social dynamics much.

    But with many 'target' women, women who receive a lot of attention, you're just the next guy trying and get her number.
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    He may actually know that person... but, of course, research is too complex for you?
    What the..? That's pretty friggin' creepy. Walking up to a stranger "You don't know me but I know you, I went through your garbage and asked your friends and family all about you, I like you, can I have your number?"
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    posted a message on What do you look for in a partner
    Quote from "Equinox" »
    Bullshit. Those with high intelligence differentiate from any evolutionary path anyone can possibly instill in them. I go by my own philosophy, one that is generally accepting of all men that agree to differentiate as well, or those who are afraid and therefore try to seem normal outside but are different inside.
    Not true, your circuitry and selection standards are built into your head to ensure yours and other womans best options for choosing a mate that will provide her and her children a high survival probability. It's completely subconscious and you may not even realize it unless you pay strict attention.

    Quote from "Equinox" »

    I am pretty much double sided. I can imagine myself both with a guy who takes care of me, or with a guy I will take care of myself. I am not a golddigger who is going to look for a rich husband. I am not a muscle whore who need a huge football player. I will have my own job and I will have my own physical and mental strength. All I want is someone who's not a whiny loser who dropped out of school, goes to parties, has no job or any path in life. But who said that person has to be narcissist?
    There are many forms of high value. Obviously muscle and money attract certain women more than others, but confidence and wit are more natural forms. Anyone who isn't a whiny loser who's made a wreck of their lives is already at an average level, and with confidence, physical attractiveness, grooming and dressing, humor, or a number of other things, is at a high value even though they may not be rich or buff.

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    Why can't you be interested in them?
    You can be interested in them, in fact you should be. But you shouldn't be completely interested, right away. If you are then that shows you are only after her looks or want sex or something from her.
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    Why do you have to be the one too cowardly to approach a girl?
    Wrong, you do approach the girl. You approach her though to make her feel comfortable and her friends comfortable. In a way where you just want some casual conversation.
    Quote from "Equinox" »
    Why are the girls the brave and beating their shyness to approach a guy they like these days? And if those girls are even more shy, they'd think that guy is making fun of them. What if that girl is really nice and loyal but on the outside she's a bit shy and maybe not hyper good-looking?
    This is what I'm talking about. So many men just have so little luck with women that they give up on approaching them. And while women only hold about a 20-30% amount of value to looks, men hold about a 70-80% value. We are evolutionarily more shallow to ensure the most fit offspring.
    Quote from "Equinox" »
    What are those girls to do when no one approaches them and they have no courage to approach guys they like? I am lucky to be pretty arrogant, enough to approach a guy, but other girls much sweeter and nicer to me perhaps aren't. What are they to do if men are so narcissist and cowardly?
    Be social, go out with other friends to public gatherings and intermingle. Dressing yourself up doesn't hurt either (I'm not being an ass, that's just what men are interested in).
    Quote from "Equinox" »

    Why can't it go both ways? In ancient times, the man asked out the girl, as a sign of respect, and he gave her flowers, and he opened doors before her. How can you say that this is "programmed" if ages ago it was backwards? Damn, if you ever go to Russia, and use the techniques you mention here, you'd be rejected by every girl in sight and never asked out. E.g., it will be completely backwards.
    My girlfriend was Russian (moved couple years before) and she really loved me. Chivalry and the type of Shakespearian romance you mentioned, was in a world where there was a lot of class to uphold, where people married at the age of 13. And while maybe in the upper class it really was this way, that does not mean that this technique is what women truly look for (if everyone was doing it, they wouldn't know the difference). Being chivalrous and giving your girl flowers is a nice and sweet thing to do, just a little much for an opener.
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    If someone came over to me with the same proposition on, say, a robotics meeting, I'd blush, smile, and accept. :cool: And "attractive" is a very slippery term for me. Lower social value? If he cusses every other word that has nothing to do with him being proud or not. I know shy guys who have accomplished much more than I ever will.
    Well, I don't mean to be rude, but I believe you have a lower self perceived social value than a lot of the target women men wish to approach. A woman such as yourself, you believe than man approaching you has a higher social value or at least on par. In this case, he really does not need to show disinterest or beef up his social value because you are already in a mind set where attraction and comfort between you can be built. I agree I wouldn't probably have to do this stuff before trying to pick up a diablo-forum-dwelling, robotics-nerd, unless she was really hot, and knew it. However there are many beautiful women in this world, and these women get approached a LOT. Just from being the next guy to approach her you are lower value, this is why the techniques I stated are vital to successfully courting her.
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    I'd discard the guy as being narcissist. And I am not interested in that type. And I don't imagine myself talking to girls. I generally despise my own gender because they do exactly what you said - expect guys to be narcissist.
    Yikes. Maybe you should talk to someone?
    Quote from "Equinox" »

    Also, I'd discard any guy who has a lot of women in his life. True guys have few. Because there are few valuable women out there. If he has many, he is not picky, and he does not interest me - I am just another slot to stick his dick in.
    Not necessarily has a lot of women in his life, but showing that other women have selected him and even just hang around him. This will tell you subconsciously that if he has value for them, he must have value for you.
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    I really don't grasp your use of the term "threatening"?
    Threatening meaning that he is coming on too strong and is showing far too much attraction to a person he doesn't know. Also poor body posture, monotonous tone, weak/no smile, failure to address your friends all contribute to a threatening approach.
    Quote from "Equinox" »

    And, also, Obalobex, in this example you are assuming that I, sitting in a bar, have no brains, no knowledge, no psychological analysis. You think I don't know how guys act when they want something? When I see a guy who is using techniques you mentioned - I KNOW he's lying. I know he's a coward. I know all he wants is to use easy ways that people like you told him to get a girl, but inside he's not what he is pretending his is. And what is worse than a cowardly liar. No matter how he approaches me, whether he pretends to be a superstar, a shy nerd, or someone normal, he himself is NOT different. And I know it. I am not an idiot. Your manner of approaching a girl is just a game, one that I am not interested in playing. Imitation is suicide (Emerson).
    I didn't assume any of that and did not really advocate lying. Women do a lot of things to make themselves more attractive. They dress themselves nicely, shave their legs, lots of makeup... Men should do the same thing, however looks take more of a back seat. By demonstrating higher value he has in essence made himself more attractive. Consciously you may despise a certain type of man who uses game to selfish means, however subconsciously you still prefer a man who is confident, high value, and knows what women want.
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    posted a message on What do you look for in a partner
    Quote from "Equinox" »
    To Atrumentis
    Well, if you ask me, you should do the exact opposite of what Obalobex told you...

    I'd turn away from that as "jerkish attitude". I don't like guys who think they are the top of the world. Confident, sure, but not a superstar. The guy has to win a girl, because a guy is stronger, smarter, on the general scale. But the girl shouldn't be too proud, either. E.g. they should just get together and talk. No stupid hard to get games, no games at all. Just be sincere and honest. If one of you is a liar or a jerk, it would be visible.

    Oohh, right, and the girl is going to be like "he doesn't like me" and never talk to him again. That's how it would be for me. If a guy is cold toward me and doesn't express anything, I assume he's either not interested or has a girlfriend already. I don't understand how this advice would help get a certain block of girls. It would probably help with "naggy" girls who get a target and aim at it, but I prefer to be polite. If the guy has no interest in me, I am not going to bug him.

    All the best girls are kinda shy and they want attention from guys. Not the other way around. Guys are the requesters. They should pay attention. If the girl starts using that attention, wrong girl. In rare cases, girls are requesters, then it's the other way around. In fact, I think the idea of girl requesters is getting kinda popular, lol...

    Why would you want a girl that chases you? That girl is probably a bit dumb...

    Good girls are rare, and good guys are rare, and both are to be valued and respected.

    Obalobex, your advice is for getting whores. But, I guess, what did I want from a fucktard.

    Wow, someone is hostile. I'm not saying to be cocky or anything like that. Equinox, you are a girl? I assume you are from your phrasing. I refute your declaration of me being a fucktard or trying to pick up whores. I am a nice guy, but there are some things that are psychologically programed into your brains that are simply evolutionary. You evolutionarily want a man who is of high value to you, a man who is sensitive and yet strong, a with the attributes to grant you the highest chance of survival and the survival of your offspring. I don't pick up whores or sluts, in fact my standards are high and I do not have random hook-ups really, and I generally like girls for the company.

    When I said "like a superstar" I meant have the confidence and the self perceived high value that you would think Brad Pitt would have. And I didn't say I want girls to "chase" you, but they have to be interested in you and eager to learn more about you.

    Put yourself in the position of being in a bar with a couple other girls Equi, now imagine a man approaching you. If he came directly towards you, staring at you, speaking hesitantly and only to you, saying "I'm James, I like you, can we talk? want to dance?" would you really be that interested in him? Especially if he was of a lower social value (not as attractive) as you, then the answer is no.

    If instead you see him right next to your group talking with a couple girls (jealousy switch activated) smiling then leans over a shoulder and asks your entire group something like "hey, can I get an opinion from you guys?" Not even looking directly at you. He is totally non-interested in you, not trying to GET anything from you, just talking to you and your friends. He already has women in his life as seen and he is not TOTALLY in to you, just being social. He is not threatening at all, and you evolutionarily will be MORE attracted to him than the man who came directly to you.

    This sort of social dynamics I don't really have to think about before going to a public gathering or anything, I have been social my whole life so these principles comes naturally to me. However there are many many men out there who simply have not had much experience talking to strangers and women or people who just fail to put them selves in the shoes of females.

    Girls like attention yes, but they want it in a non-threatening way from a man who they perceive to be of high value. This is science, and programed into all females, despite what Equinox might say.
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    posted a message on What do you look for in a partner
    Quote from "Atrumentis" »
    lol, clearly, all that stuff is soo complicated. Its another reason why i don't like the thought of relationships.

    I prefer the types of relationships that just come naturally, without having to manipulate the situation. And obviously thats a lot harder for some people than others, because some people don't have those high value indicators naturally. Its such a hard life lol.

    Lol, well ok. I guess that stuff seems complicated, but a lot of it should just come natural. Just act like you're a superstar, she has to win you. You don't need to HAVE those high value indicators, you just have to make her think you do or just sell it better. Simply include pieces in your stories you tell her that convey these things "was with a couple girls..." "was taking my little sister with me..." etc...

    When you are initially talking to her, smile and be nice, but don't be so interested. She's just another girl and doesn't deserve all of your attention yet, she needs to earn it.
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    posted a message on What do you look for in a partner
    Quote from "Atrumentis" »
    I assume you're aiming this at me, but if you aren't, then too bad, I'm gonna answer you with my own personal experience anyway.

    I actually have no problem talking to women specifically. I am pretty shy to people in general, but somehow I am still told that I get along with others fairly easily. Like, its not that I don't have a chance at all, its just that I don't want a chance, lol. Its too much responsibility.

    Though I do know some people who just suck at social dynamics. It is sad, because yeah, as you said, its not really taught so its just something that we are expected to pick up. Its not that hard to teach, and its not like its not as important as the other subjects, so why don't they teach it? Cause they certainly should. There are some social things that I wish someone would just tell me how they work exactly, rather than having to figure it out myself lol. Like what is with this 'kiss on the cheek' thing? When is it appropriate? And for who? lol.

    I was not necessarily aiming this at you, but generalizing the situation for a large population of men. I totally agree, there is no reason social skills and relationship skills are not taught to us, not all of us learn it naturally.

    You could ask me some social things if you want, however I'm not a total expert so I wouldn't be certain about a lot of things.

    A kiss on a cheek is a physical compliance test. Really, anything physical up until sex is a physical compliance test. The basic rules in the beginning are that you do not show interest in the girl until SHE shows interest in you. You have to bring her social value down and yours up by showing disinterest and giving her high value indicators(1), so that she is chasing after you.

    In my opinion, the kiss on the cheek thing would be better if you instead (once reached a higher social value) let her kiss you. Escalate physical touching (like arm around her or holding hands) until you are both somewhat comfortable then, when sitting sitting sideways to her and joking around, tap your cheek and look away from her, smiling.

    (1) high value indicators: An action or something you say that qualifies one of the following:
    You are preselected by women and have them in your life.
    You are an alpha male, leader of men.
    You protect loved ones.
    You are emotionally normal.
    You are willing to walk away, you are not there to GET something from her. You are there just to talk to someone (YOU are the center of the universe, not her).

    Hope that helps a bit maybe.
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    posted a message on en Bnet wont work for me!!
    Wrong forum section but whatever.

    The reason why most open B-net games you attempt to enter fail, is because they are run on other people's servers, and not the battle.net server. For an entrance to WORK, the host must be in the game still (and many open b-net games are still on the list well after the host leaves), the game must not be full, and his connection must be good enough so you can enter in time.

    Also some firewalls prevent people from entering their servers.
    So some games you can get in, but most you wont. Just play normal battle.net and don't cheat!
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    posted a message on What do you look for in a partner
    Quote from "Equinox" »
    Says a guy who cheated on his gf... ya...

    Unrelated to what I was talking about. But she was gone for 2 frickin months in the summer, and then when she came back for the couple days before University she was all cold to me, wouldn't even kiss me. So at university I was like "fuck this" and had a drunken one night stand. Then I told her and she was back in love with me for some reason again.
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    posted a message on What do you look for in a partner
    A lot of people (men specifically) don't really learn the social and emotional skills they need to attract and court women. There is no teaching of this in schools, and if people fall into the "nerd" or "loser" clique, then they may be unsuccessful with women their whole lives. Many men just fail to understand social dynamics and those who do not have healthy relationships (not that mine was that healthy) have sad, depressing lives.

    Imho parents should teach their boys at an early age how to be social and talk to girls, because it's kinda sad for me to see some men with no chance whatsoever. That being said, all the more for me :)

    I recommend that you should research and understand social dynamics. Good resources would be to DL "Mind of Mystery" torrent or get the book "The Game."

    Cheers.
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    posted a message on What do you look for in a partner
    Quote from "AcidReign" »
    Ok lets get interesting. Next person that posts, post your first girlfriend/boyfriend. How long it lasted, what the pros and cons were, and what your relationship with that person is now. And if it ended, how did it end?

    First girlfriend (and only substantial one): Jane. Both of us 18yrs old.
    Lasted 18 months.
    Pros: she was pretty hot and sex was good, she was kinda freaky if you know what I mean. Edit: OK, I won't be so shallow. She was also nice and laughed at my jokes which made me feel better, and she was fun to hang around with.
    Cons: she was pretty clingy and wanted to see me 24/7. I didn't get to watch sports or UFC or whatever when with her.
    Now we are friends / fuck buddies
    Ended partly because I had sex with another girl, although she forgave me for that, and then I just said "I'm done."
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    posted a message on Global Warming
    Quote from "Equinox" »
    It's mostly them that are bothersome. Overall warming is, as you have said, cyclical. Decrease in ozone is not.

    It appears that ozone replenishes itself because of the equilibrium equation O2 <--> O3 (Oxygen gas <--> Ozone).

    Ozone depletion is a problem, but unlike CO2 emissions, is not so cumulative. The ozone problems and depletion in the last few years has gotten better. With the removal of DEET and other ozone depleting chemicals from most countries, the holes have shrunk and the Ozone has returned to much of its original state. You are still going to get sunburned (especially around the poles), but it doesn't look like this is a big of influence as global warming (and entirely unrelated fyi).
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    posted a message on Global Warming
    This is interesting, what most people do not realize is that we are currently IN a moderate ice age. The natural climate for the earth is a much warmer, lush place. For the millions of years where the dinosaurs ruled and between ice-ages, there was much less snow and ice. The climate of the earth is still warming from the most recent ice age and it will continue to do so until the normal climate on the earth is reached, assuming another ice age is brought on for some reason such as ocean currents changing.

    Global warming isn't necessarily a "problem," it is natural. However the warmer temperatures will cause us some discomfort. Storms will hold much more moisture and power, traveling inland more, and if this causes ocean currents to alter, then the consequences could be disastrous. For example in tropical South America, the Atacama Desert (most of the west coast) receives 0mm of rainfall per year because a cold ocean current runs along the coast.

    edit: Oh yea, humans haven't caused it, but accelerated the change probably more than a hundred-fold.
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    posted a message on Hmmm......
    Quote from "MijnWraak" »
    I read something somewhere somewhen that like only 20% of global warming is caused by carbon dioxide and that most of it is from water vapor. Whether or not this is true, hydrogen fueled cars' emissions are water, which may or may not contribute to the global warming. Again, im not sure if that poll was accurate.

    Global warming is the change in the atmospheric greenhouse effect. Water vapor amount is pretty static, while carbon dioxide from burning of fossil fuels has increased the intensity of the greenhouse effect at a much greater rate than the natural cycle of the earth. Al Gore is a bit extreme but the problem is real, we must prepare for Manbearpig.
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    posted a message on Weirdest?
    Quote from "winstonthe4th" »
    @Obalodex, wow, a lot of lucid dreaming. I've had a couple in my life...None recently though.

    Yea it's pretty sweet. If you are calm about it you don't wake up and you can make a bad or scary dream much more interesting.
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