@ OP, you broke your own rule in your original post
Any comments made in this thread are to be based on factual information or at least very sound theories.
I assume you are referring to the comment that America stages or at least purposefully allows catastrophic attacks on themselves to allow them to go to war. This is not my theory. This is a theory shared by many hundreds if not thousands of experts and investigators.
If you want sources then I suggest finding a documentary such as Zeitgeist. It's long but split into 3 sections with the second half directed towards this and the corruption inside the American government.
The status of the American government? Eh, that's just so broad of a topic I don't know what to say. Are you talking about the federal government then? Or state and local governments as well? And with status do you mean our economy, the status of our individual rights, our international policy, or just anything I can think of.
I'm terrified of where this thread is going.
Federal and very general: what is your opinion? Are they doing a swell job? Are they completely corrupt and trying to take away our civil liberties and lead us into an Orwellian society? Somewhere in between?
hm? US invading Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11 terrorist attack.
say what u wish, they are completely 2 different things.
and i don't wana look shit up so "say" your wrong so ima shut up and wait for equinox to do it.
I didn't directly say the invasion of Iraq was from 9/11, you assumed that. But when America used 9/11 to go into Afghanistan, then the media and Bush himself create a barrage of stories and speculation that Sadam was related to the terrorist attacks and had control of nuclear bombs (both of which are untrue). This was enough to make public opinion (at least a little bit) in favor of invading Iraq based off of linking 9/11 to them.
I am not exaggerating, perhaps I am focusing solely on the negatives and the crimes of the government, but that's the point isn't it?
This thread is for any discussion on the status of the corruption within the American government (not a democratic vs republican debate).
Any comments made in this thread are to be based on factual information or at least very sound theories. No personal attacks are to be made and anyone is entitled to their opinion about the American government.
As stated in another thread, my opinion is this:
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The American government is enslaved by the major banking corporations (who have the sole power to print/control currency and purposefully created the wonderful depression). Governmental action and policies are not for the people, they are for the wishes of a select few at the top. And what do the few want? War! why? War gives the government an excuse to drop further into debt giving mass amounts of interest to the bankers.
If you look into the past, the population generally does not want war. No problem, German's just happen to bomb an American cruise ship (which was sent into German water on purpose) in WW1, Pearl Harbor gets destroyed (extremely provoked and not defended even though the president knew of the attack) in WW2, some frigates get bombed (never actually happened, just propaganda) for Vietnam, and we all know what happened in 911. Instant turn of public opinion and off to war.
Oh, and income tax is a fraud too. It's unconstitutional and there is NO law saying people need to pay it (not to mention 100% of it goes to paying interest to the bankers).
Well yea, so North America is the most fucked up because we have a government that commits genocide and lies to the population in order to give money to the bankers, and take away civil liberties (under Patriot Act the government can search your house and hold you indefinitely if they think you might be a terrorist)...
... and we still love them blindly.
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If someone says something that seems untrue then do not call them a liar or get mad at them. This is not the thread for flaming. If you have a problem with a point, ask for more detail or sources.
Make a new thread and you'll get your discussion. But don't sprout offtopic.
Do you actually want to discuss? Or just attack me and call me "another anti-USA idiot"? If you want to talk intelligently then I'll make a thread. But right now it seems futile.
Sigh, I guess I'm obviously retarded. But I really shouldn't have expected an intellectual discussion in a game forum (a bit silly of me), so lets just move on then.
And if you read the first line of my original post Equinox, I was answering what the poll said: "Which place is the most fucked up," not worst living conditions.
*Looks at LinkX* If you want to bash America this is the wrong thread. Take a trip to Russia and then tell me how bad America is. Whiner. And get some brains, please. I hate hearing such lines of absolute absence of any Logic AT ALL. Take a govt class or I don't know, what you are saying is just ignorant and I don't want to hear that coming from you.
Constitution is dead, huh? Tell that to Clarence Earl Gideon. If you have any idea who he is, that is. If you don't know SHIT about the laws of your own country, that doesn't allow you to go around bashing it randomly, asking for a fucking utopia.
Discriminated, honey? Go to Russia and tell anyone you are bisexual. You'll find yourself dead in a matter of seconds.
Get a fucking grip on yourself and stop complaining about not living in Paradise.
Sadly the state of mind of most American's is similar to this. I'm not "bashing America," I was born there and lived half my life there and I have a lot of friends and know a lot of good people there. However Americans are so submersed in entertainment (sports, celebrities, yadda yadda) and fear through the Media that they are attached to the government and the American lifestyle.
I doubt many of you will ever even consider this possibility because it is blasphemous and against everything you believe. It's like trying to convince an avid Christian that evolution exists. Even if there is TONNES and TONNES of evidence, they will not divert. I'm not saying American's have a bad lifestyle, quite the opposite. I have seen much of the world and been to several third world countries, I know that we Americans and Canadians lead a privileged lifestyle. It is this lifestyle however that keeps us from asking questions and keeps us silent as the government is free to manipulate everyone.
I assume most of the people here are American, I am not attacking you. I am not asking for a Utopia either. However there is something very wrong with this country.
I am not anti-USA. I am pro-USA. The true America died when control was given to the banks.
Well, the thread says worst living conditions, but the poll says most fucked up... so I chose the latter.
I picked North America because of the degree on voluntary control the population is under. This is mainly the USA, but pretty soon all NA will become a single entity (has already begun with North America Act I think it's called).
The American government is enslaved by the major banking corporations (who have the sole power to print/control currency and purposefully created the wonderful depression). Governmental action and policies are not for the people, they are for the wishes of a select few at the top. And what do the few want? War! why? War gives the government an excuse to drop further into debt giving mass amounts of interest to the bankers.
If you look into the past, the population generally does not want war. No problem, German's just happen to bomb an American cruise ship (which was sent into German water on purpose) in WW1, Pearl Harbor gets destroyed (extremely provoked and not defended even though the president knew of the attack) in WW2, some frigates get bombed (never actually happened, just propaganda) for Vietnam, and we all know what happened in 911. Instant turn of public opinion and off to war.
Oh, and income tax is a fraud too. It's unconstitutional and there is NO law saying people need to pay it (not to mention 100% of it goes to paying interest to the bankers).
Well yea, so North America is the most fucked up because we have a government that commits genocide and lies to the population in order to give money to the bankers, and take away civil liberties (under Patriot Act the government can search your house and hold you indefinitely if they think you might be a terrorist)...
... and we still love them blindly.
Edit: if this seems ridiculous, find out for yourself. Do some research or find a good documentary (there are many of them). A good one that covers a lot is called zeitgeist (link below).
The fact that everyone is all of a sudden joining this site sickens me. People who have never been a part of the Diablo3 forum just suddenly jump on the ban wagon because Diablo 3 looks like it might be announced.
All of the hypocrites joining this site just because of this thread and then jumping in on the discussion and posting opinions as if they are part of the community... It's sad and shameful in my opinion. I'm sure other diablo3.com veterans will agree with me that these "noobs" are ruining our community. True supporters of this site and Diablo3 are not the shameful blight that joined this April, tisk tisk.
Well, since every maggot seems to be coming out of the woodwork (no offense, just a reference)... I guess I will too. I've been reading these forums for a while but I guess I'll post.
I highly doubt Blizzard will announce Diablo 3 on May first. This is the follow-up to the most successful hack and slash game of all time (right?) and has a lot of hype to it. The WWI just seems to perfect of a time/place (D2's birthday and France is a major fan base).
That being said I doubt this has anything not to do with Diablo 3, so...??
Anyways, greetings, and may the mongering continue.
ps. Good job Umaro (and MD and anyone else running this site), the future looks very nice indeed.
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I assume you are referring to the comment that America stages or at least purposefully allows catastrophic attacks on themselves to allow them to go to war. This is not my theory. This is a theory shared by many hundreds if not thousands of experts and investigators.
If you want sources then I suggest finding a documentary such as Zeitgeist. It's long but split into 3 sections with the second half directed towards this and the corruption inside the American government.
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doc...dex=0&hl=en-CA
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Federal and very general: what is your opinion? Are they doing a swell job? Are they completely corrupt and trying to take away our civil liberties and lead us into an Orwellian society? Somewhere in between?
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I didn't directly say the invasion of Iraq was from 9/11, you assumed that. But when America used 9/11 to go into Afghanistan, then the media and Bush himself create a barrage of stories and speculation that Sadam was related to the terrorist attacks and had control of nuclear bombs (both of which are untrue). This was enough to make public opinion (at least a little bit) in favor of invading Iraq based off of linking 9/11 to them.
I am not exaggerating, perhaps I am focusing solely on the negatives and the crimes of the government, but that's the point isn't it?
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Alright new thread is up.
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Any comments made in this thread are to be based on factual information or at least very sound theories. No personal attacks are to be made and anyone is entitled to their opinion about the American government.
As stated in another thread, my opinion is this:
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The American government is enslaved by the major banking corporations (who have the sole power to print/control currency and purposefully created the wonderful depression). Governmental action and policies are not for the people, they are for the wishes of a select few at the top. And what do the few want? War! why? War gives the government an excuse to drop further into debt giving mass amounts of interest to the bankers.
If you look into the past, the population generally does not want war. No problem, German's just happen to bomb an American cruise ship (which was sent into German water on purpose) in WW1, Pearl Harbor gets destroyed (extremely provoked and not defended even though the president knew of the attack) in WW2, some frigates get bombed (never actually happened, just propaganda) for Vietnam, and we all know what happened in 911. Instant turn of public opinion and off to war.
Oh, and income tax is a fraud too. It's unconstitutional and there is NO law saying people need to pay it (not to mention 100% of it goes to paying interest to the bankers).
Well yea, so North America is the most fucked up because we have a government that commits genocide and lies to the population in order to give money to the bankers, and take away civil liberties (under Patriot Act the government can search your house and hold you indefinitely if they think you might be a terrorist)...
... and we still love them blindly.
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If someone says something that seems untrue then do not call them a liar or get mad at them. This is not the thread for flaming. If you have a problem with a point, ask for more detail or sources.
Alright, let the discussion begin.
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Do you actually want to discuss? Or just attack me and call me "another anti-USA idiot"? If you want to talk intelligently then I'll make a thread. But right now it seems futile.
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And if you read the first line of my original post Equinox, I was answering what the poll said: "Which place is the most fucked up," not worst living conditions.
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Sadly the state of mind of most American's is similar to this. I'm not "bashing America," I was born there and lived half my life there and I have a lot of friends and know a lot of good people there. However Americans are so submersed in entertainment (sports, celebrities, yadda yadda) and fear through the Media that they are attached to the government and the American lifestyle.
I doubt many of you will ever even consider this possibility because it is blasphemous and against everything you believe. It's like trying to convince an avid Christian that evolution exists. Even if there is TONNES and TONNES of evidence, they will not divert. I'm not saying American's have a bad lifestyle, quite the opposite. I have seen much of the world and been to several third world countries, I know that we Americans and Canadians lead a privileged lifestyle. It is this lifestyle however that keeps us from asking questions and keeps us silent as the government is free to manipulate everyone.
I assume most of the people here are American, I am not attacking you. I am not asking for a Utopia either. However there is something very wrong with this country.
I am not anti-USA. I am pro-USA. The true America died when control was given to the banks.
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I picked North America because of the degree on voluntary control the population is under. This is mainly the USA, but pretty soon all NA will become a single entity (has already begun with North America Act I think it's called).
The American government is enslaved by the major banking corporations (who have the sole power to print/control currency and purposefully created the wonderful depression). Governmental action and policies are not for the people, they are for the wishes of a select few at the top. And what do the few want? War! why? War gives the government an excuse to drop further into debt giving mass amounts of interest to the bankers.
If you look into the past, the population generally does not want war. No problem, German's just happen to bomb an American cruise ship (which was sent into German water on purpose) in WW1, Pearl Harbor gets destroyed (extremely provoked and not defended even though the president knew of the attack) in WW2, some frigates get bombed (never actually happened, just propaganda) for Vietnam, and we all know what happened in 911. Instant turn of public opinion and off to war.
Oh, and income tax is a fraud too. It's unconstitutional and there is NO law saying people need to pay it (not to mention 100% of it goes to paying interest to the bankers).
Well yea, so North America is the most fucked up because we have a government that commits genocide and lies to the population in order to give money to the bankers, and take away civil liberties (under Patriot Act the government can search your house and hold you indefinitely if they think you might be a terrorist)...
... and we still love them blindly.
Edit: if this seems ridiculous, find out for yourself. Do some research or find a good documentary (there are many of them). A good one that covers a lot is called zeitgeist (link below).
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197&q=zeitgeist+final&total=161&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0&hl=en-CA
God Bless America.
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All of the hypocrites joining this site just because of this thread and then jumping in on the discussion and posting opinions as if they are part of the community... It's sad and shameful in my opinion. I'm sure other diablo3.com veterans will agree with me that these "noobs" are ruining our community. True supporters of this site and Diablo3 are not the shameful blight that joined this April, tisk tisk.
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I highly doubt Blizzard will announce Diablo 3 on May first. This is the follow-up to the most successful hack and slash game of all time (right?) and has a lot of hype to it. The WWI just seems to perfect of a time/place (D2's birthday and France is a major fan base).
That being said I doubt this has anything not to do with Diablo 3, so...??
Anyways, greetings, and may the mongering continue.
ps. Good job Umaro (and MD and anyone else running this site), the future looks very nice indeed.