I'm not a huge fan of mixing orders/religions/organisations.
I don't think Trag'Oul has warriors. Necromancers are Priest of Rathma (Trag'Oul is the patron deity of the Rathma religion). The Rathma religion, is an organisation of priests of varying level of authority. One might assume it's progression is Follower (or Initiate), Adept, Priest, High Priest, then probably some sort of Council Rank.
As for one of if not the most notable organisation in the Diablo series, The Zakarum has clearly defined levels or ranks. Zakarumite, Faithful, Zealot, Sexton, Cantor, Hierophant, High Council, Que-Hagan.
This is assumed to still be the logical progression of the Zakarum faith, now centred in Westmarch. The pattern is no doubt largely the same, though the Zealot rank I believe is known as Paladin (of which the player character, the Paladin is a member).
Alternatively, you have to more traditional fuedal system that is in place in Khanduras. Somewhat.
-Peasant (Villein or Serf) (Peasant's cannot leave their lord's land)
-Villager (or Freeman) (A Freeman is free to move about the land as he pleases, settling in any village he wants to)
-Militia (When under attack, groups of villagers take up arms to defend their towns, not all villagers do this)
-Man at Arms (Militia are unorganised rabble, to put it bluntly, Men at Arms fight in rank and file formations, and have usually undergone some sort of extensive training in warfare and tactics)
-Knight (A Well trained an disciplined man at arms, usually hired by Barons and Kings to defend their lands)
Knight of the Realm (A freelance knight he will move around from barony to barony, place to place, wherever there is need of him, he has no formal alligence to anyone)
Knight of the Order (A knight who has dedicated his life to a cause such as the mythical quest for the Holy Grail, or to a rich Baron, Lord, Duke or King.)
Knight's names are generally preceeded by the title Sir (Sir Lancelot for example)
-Baron (or Lord or Duke) (A person with lots of land, hires Knights to defend it.)
While it is a social rank, Baron is also a title that preceeds one's name. (Baron Manfred Freiherr Von Richthofen (Aka the Red Baron) for example)
-King (A person with lots and lots of land (and usually money too) hires lots of knights to defend his property, which includes the people who live on his land if they are peasants)
Much like Baron both a title and social rank. (King Edward "Longshanks" I for example)
But with the release of the Sin War I think I am forgetting several important organisations of faiths. The Triune and the Cathedral.
Both have some clearly defined ranks. How cool would it be to be a Primus of the Triune.
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-Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's First Law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world's one, and only, truth.
Where did you get that idea? I'm just giving my opinion that giving credit to people with more posts is something which is flawed. But oh well, do what you like for the people that still care about it for some strange unlogical reason.
That is why alot of worthless threads are put into spam..
But yes, I agree that it is a flawwed system. But most systems would have a flaw, and this is probably a better system then most, even if it is not the best..
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So...Your suggesting drop the ranking all togethor?
That's a good idea, though I doubt many would go for it...
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I personally love LinkX's list. It really "knocks the ball out of the park" if ya know what I mean.
Yes, well it's going to change as I think about it more. I already did a crapload of edits to it.
Here's the newest version: Specter 0 Serf 1-9
Peasant 10-24 Militia 25-49
Man at Arms 50-99 Swordsman 100-199
The Knight 200-499
The Knight of the Realm 500-999 The Knight of the Order of the Dragon 1000-1499 The Conjurer 1500-1999 The Hero 2000-2999 The Hero of Khanduras 3000-4499 Trag'Ouls Right Hand 4500+
Yea, shameless advertising for my list. Go shoot me.
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-Peasant (Villein or Serf) (Peasant's cannot leave their lord's land)
-Villager (or Freeman) (A Freeman is free to move about the land as he pleases, settling in any village he wants to).
Gah. Ok changing!
Specter 0 Serf 1-9 Villager 10-24 Militia 25-49
Man at Arms 50-99 Swordsman 100-199
The Knight 200-499
The Knight of the Realm 500-999 The Knight of the Order of the Dragon 1000-1499 The Conjurer 1500-1999 The Hero 2000-2999 The Hero of Khanduras 3000-4499 Trag'Ouls Right Hand 4500+
As for the militia, man at arms, etc, it's asumed at that point they haven't really come to follow Trag'Oul yet, so to speak.
Here is a massive list of titles. I got them from various sources, some of them have been roughly grouped together. Sucks that most titles are male or female orientated. There are almost none that are unisex. We'd just have to settle for the male version of a title then, because there are mostly males on the forum; and the general rule for everything is that you choose the male form to represent both male and female, while the female form only represents female.
Trouble is, as I stated before, it is virtually impossible to have masciline/feminine titles, like Lord and Lady, Sir and Dame, Duke and Duchess, Count and Countess. So the female title would have to be forgone. Which isn't too big of an issue, as the male title can be applied to the female sex in some instances, Lord mainly. I would say Sir, as Integra Fairbrook Wingates Hellsing (i nthe manga Hellsing) is referred to as Sir Integra, but it's possible that that is just a misconception of how Brittish titles work. The correct title should be Dame (Dame Judy Dench).
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-Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's First Law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world's one, and only, truth.
I'm not a fan of mixing orders either, Elfen. I could go on about reasons why we should pick things... or I could just list my favourites (in no particular order, grouped for easier reading).
Edit: I really don't like Knights or Paladins or Crusader. I hate anything that seems stereotypically holy. "Oh my knight has come to save me! How wonderful!"
Viceroy
Thain
Castellan
Apostle
Cantor
Venerable
Baron
Count
Lord
Nephalem
Overseer
Elder
The Specter 0-0 The Zakarumite 1-9
The Faithful 10-49
The Zealot 50-199
The Sexton 200-499
The Cantor 500-999
The Hierophant 1000-1499
The Council Member 1500-1999
The High Council Member 2000-2999
The Que-Hagan 3000-4999 The Ancient 5000-7999 The Nephalem 8000+
Anyone who can make it to the last two without spamming is clearly deserving of the title.
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-Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's First Law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world's one, and only, truth.
Images are great, but they still need names. (And if we are gonna have images, the image would depend greatly on the name. So those exact images are still left up to dispute, but I like the concept).
The list Elfen came up with I like the best.
Ideally, we need a neutral list. The Zakarum I feel are the best at representing neutrality because half of them are corrupted and half of them are not. Also, the names are not tied to the modern perception of 'good' with the whole Holy Knight thing. And they are not over-used generic names like 'Priest' and 'Adept'.
However, some people may actually want an evil list, or a holy list, and so if we are to vote on our favourite we need a range of lists to choose from. Link has come up with a bit of a neutral-holy list. Someone else could come up with an evil list. And another could also come up with a Feudal list as well (with Kings and Counts, no Queens and Countesses, because we can't have female forms as well as male, because as I said before, male automatically overrides female when we are only allowed one).
These extra lists, however, I feel are either too sexist or too moralist to be the ideal rankings that everyone will agree on.
Remember, half of the Zakarum are corrupted (in the East) while half are not (in the West). They are as much of a holy order as they are an unholy order.
And as much as I hate Paladins, I don't mind the Zakarum because of their corrupted side.
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I think if these were combined with another list, such as LinkX's, that would be the best. Also, maybe use pictures of whatshisface
If we combine suggestions, it works good :thumbsup:
I think before we make an account it should ask us if we want to go with the evil side or holy side. Then we would have 2 different ranking systems. You guys digg me?
As I told you before dual ranks are impossible. YOu cant do seperate rank lists, nor can you have Lord and Lady or Count and Countess, or any previously mentioned male/female title. one list for all, regardless of Sex or gender. So your better off suggesting univerally applied or unisex ranks.
Images are great, but they still need names. (And if we are gonna have images, the image would depend greatly on the name. So those exact images are still left up to dispute, but I like the concept).
Exactly. Give the Zakarum list images and BAM.
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-Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's First Law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world's one, and only, truth.
As I told you before dual ranks are impossible. YOu cant do seperate rank lists, nor can you have Lord and Lady or Count and Countess, or any previously mentioned male/female title. one list for all, regardless of Sex or gender. So your better off suggesting univerally applied or unisex ranks.
Exactly. Give the Zakarum list images and BAM.
Ah okay, sorry for mentioning shit like that again.
I'm not against the suggestion of ideas. I did after all make this thread for the suggestion of new titles. However I do lament it when people do not read my posts. That is not the first time I have stated more than one list, and more than one title for a rank, can not be done.
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-Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's First Law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world's one, and only, truth.
I don't mind pictures, but I'd like to know what each rank symbolises. Which I why I along with Atrumentis suggested, the combining of the Zakarum ranks, with, in essence, the picture ranks.
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-Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's First Law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world's one, and only, truth.
I like the quest based images better than the skill based images
And seeing as we cant have more than one list, or a set of lists
From what I've seen I like the Zakarum-oriented list the best (The one Elfen posted)
Just wondering though. Shouldn't it be Nephlem and then Ancient after?
From the Sin War books the Ancients were much older and had more character, like their powers had changed or defined them over time because they were so old
Edit- This one I like the most :thumbsup:
Ok here is a little list I just made. The Specter 0-0 The Zakarumite 1-9
The Faithful 10-49
The Zealot 50-199
The Sexton 200-499
The Cantor 500-999
The Hierophant 1000-1499
The Council Member 1500-1999
The High Council Member 2000-2999
The Que-Hagan 3000-4999 The Ancient 5000-7999 The Nephalem 8000+
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Well you can't really be Diablo or something... I like the idea of being the "Right Hand" personally. The go-to guy.
This is why I said that, I assumed you wanted to base ranking off of that, which is rediculous.
I don't think Trag'Oul has warriors. Necromancers are Priest of Rathma (Trag'Oul is the patron deity of the Rathma religion). The Rathma religion, is an organisation of priests of varying level of authority. One might assume it's progression is Follower (or Initiate), Adept, Priest, High Priest, then probably some sort of Council Rank.
As for one of if not the most notable organisation in the Diablo series, The Zakarum has clearly defined levels or ranks. Zakarumite, Faithful, Zealot, Sexton, Cantor, Hierophant, High Council, Que-Hagan.
This is assumed to still be the logical progression of the Zakarum faith, now centred in Westmarch. The pattern is no doubt largely the same, though the Zealot rank I believe is known as Paladin (of which the player character, the Paladin is a member).
Alternatively, you have to more traditional fuedal system that is in place in Khanduras. Somewhat.
-Peasant (Villein or Serf) (Peasant's cannot leave their lord's land)
-Villager (or Freeman) (A Freeman is free to move about the land as he pleases, settling in any village he wants to)
-Militia (When under attack, groups of villagers take up arms to defend their towns, not all villagers do this)
-Man at Arms (Militia are unorganised rabble, to put it bluntly, Men at Arms fight in rank and file formations, and have usually undergone some sort of extensive training in warfare and tactics)
-Knight (A Well trained an disciplined man at arms, usually hired by Barons and Kings to defend their lands)
Knight of the Realm (A freelance knight he will move around from barony to barony, place to place, wherever there is need of him, he has no formal alligence to anyone)
Knight of the Order (A knight who has dedicated his life to a cause such as the mythical quest for the Holy Grail, or to a rich Baron, Lord, Duke or King.)
Knight's names are generally preceeded by the title Sir (Sir Lancelot for example)
-Baron (or Lord or Duke) (A person with lots of land, hires Knights to defend it.)
While it is a social rank, Baron is also a title that preceeds one's name. (Baron Manfred Freiherr Von Richthofen (Aka the Red Baron) for example)
-King (A person with lots and lots of land (and usually money too) hires lots of knights to defend his property, which includes the people who live on his land if they are peasants)
Much like Baron both a title and social rank. (King Edward "Longshanks" I for example)
But with the release of the Sin War I think I am forgetting several important organisations of faiths. The Triune and the Cathedral.
Both have some clearly defined ranks. How cool would it be to be a Primus of the Triune.
That is why alot of worthless threads are put into spam..
But yes, I agree that it is a flawwed system. But most systems would have a flaw, and this is probably a better system then most, even if it is not the best..
That's a good idea, though I doubt many would go for it...
Yes, well it's going to change as I think about it more. I already did a crapload of edits to it.
Here's the newest version:
Specter 0
Serf 1-9
Peasant 10-24
Militia 25-49
Man at Arms 50-99
Swordsman 100-199
The Knight 200-499
The Knight of the Realm 500-999
The Knight of the Order of the Dragon 1000-1499
The Conjurer 1500-1999
The Hero 2000-2999
The Hero of Khanduras 3000-4499
Trag'Ouls Right Hand 4500+
Yea, shameless advertising for my list. Go shoot me.
Gah. Ok changing!
Specter 0
Serf 1-9
Villager 10-24
Militia 25-49
Man at Arms 50-99
Swordsman 100-199
The Knight 200-499
The Knight of the Realm 500-999
The Knight of the Order of the Dragon 1000-1499
The Conjurer 1500-1999
The Hero 2000-2999
The Hero of Khanduras 3000-4499
Trag'Ouls Right Hand 4500+
As for the militia, man at arms, etc, it's asumed at that point they haven't really come to follow Trag'Oul yet, so to speak.
Edit: There's a nice list here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title
Lord
Baron
Maiden
Mistress
Count/Countess
Esquire
Marquess/Marchoiness
Prophet
Nephalem
Ancient
Duch
Duchess
King
Queen
Slayer
Destroyer
Guardian
Matriarch
Overlord
Sexton
Cantor
Hierophant
Minion
Overseer
Harlot
Elder
Battlemaid
Counselor
Magistrate
Cabalist
Advocate
Warrior
Mercenary
Villager
Traveler
Wanderer
Horadric Mage
Follower
Simian
Imp
Hadean
Servitor
Banisher
Initiate
Matyre
Mortal
Steward
Warlord
Warden
Dementor
Manic
Fallen
Stygian
Pit Master
Impaler
Hollow One
Horadrim Ancient
Flayer
Black Knight
Doom Guard
Steel Lord
Blood Knight
Champion
Ghostly
Fanatic
Beserker
Possessed
Doom Knight
Abyss Knight
Oblivion Knight
Edit: I really don't like Knights or Paladins or Crusader. I hate anything that seems stereotypically holy. "Oh my knight has come to save me! How wonderful!"
Viceroy
Thain
Castellan
Apostle
Cantor
Venerable
Baron
Count
Lord
Nephalem
Overseer
Elder
Warrior
Mercenary
Villager
Horadric
Simian
Servitor
Matyre
Steward
Warlord
Warden
Sir
Lord
Baron
Count
Duke
King
Slayer
Champion
Patriarch
Destroyer
Conquerer
Guardian
The Specter 0-0
The Zakarumite 1-9
The Faithful 10-49
The Zealot 50-199
The Sexton 200-499
The Cantor 500-999
The Hierophant 1000-1499
The Council Member 1500-1999
The High Council Member 2000-2999
The Que-Hagan 3000-4999
The Ancient 5000-7999
The Nephalem 8000+
Anyone who can make it to the last two without spamming is clearly deserving of the title.
Best idea I think so far, we should go with this.
The list Elfen came up with I like the best.
Ideally, we need a neutral list. The Zakarum I feel are the best at representing neutrality because half of them are corrupted and half of them are not. Also, the names are not tied to the modern perception of 'good' with the whole Holy Knight thing. And they are not over-used generic names like 'Priest' and 'Adept'.
However, some people may actually want an evil list, or a holy list, and so if we are to vote on our favourite we need a range of lists to choose from. Link has come up with a bit of a neutral-holy list. Someone else could come up with an evil list. And another could also come up with a Feudal list as well (with Kings and Counts, no Queens and Countesses, because we can't have female forms as well as male, because as I said before, male automatically overrides female when we are only allowed one).
These extra lists, however, I feel are either too sexist or too moralist to be the ideal rankings that everyone will agree on.
Remember, half of the Zakarum are corrupted (in the East) while half are not (in the West). They are as much of a holy order as they are an unholy order.
And as much as I hate Paladins, I don't mind the Zakarum because of their corrupted side.
If we combine suggestions, it works good :thumbsup:
Exactly. Give the Zakarum list images and BAM.
Ah okay, sorry for mentioning shit like that again.
The Specter 0-0
The Zakarumite 1-9
The Faithful 10-49
The Zealot 50-199
The Sexton 200-499
The Cantor 500-999
The Hierophant 1000-1499
The Council Member 1500-1999
The High Council Member 2000-2999
The Que-Hagan 3000-4999
The Ancient 5000-7999
The Nephalem 8000+
And seeing as we cant have more than one list, or a set of lists
From what I've seen I like the Zakarum-oriented list the best (The one Elfen posted)
Just wondering though. Shouldn't it be Nephlem and then Ancient after?
From the Sin War books the Ancients were much older and had more character, like their powers had changed or defined them over time because they were so old
Edit- This one I like the most :thumbsup: