You do know that call of duty has modes for every type of person, yea?
Yeah but black ops was totaly fucked. I could play other mods but tdm and that other crap would bring u a lot more exp.
Im fine if they dont make it an popular esport like sc2 but i dont want the pvp to be n00b friendly shit that gets bored in 10 mins. At least make multiple mods so we can chose. Alose they should totaly make an pvp in which u can wager your items,gold or mybe even real money.
If you keep trying to turn it into a e-sport, you're going to ruin anything they might to add competiveness. They WILL NOT make this a e-sport, so atl east try to compromise and not just be ignored like you're going to be. Or as jay willson would say, shut up pvp guy.
Actually I don't care if I win or lose, only about having fun doing either thing.
I bet they can't have both modes at the same time for balance reasons. A skill (such as the 2 min cd ones mentioned by Blizz) might be possible to use once per round in last man standing, but in deathmatch that would equal many fights without having access to one of your most powerful skills. If they reduce the cooldown to suit deathmatch better then it might cause balance issues in last man standing.
They will alter cooldowns for PvP, but I doubt they would do it for each separate game mode since that would mean way too much confusion for casuals. And Diablo 3 is very directed towards casuals.
But Jay said that pvp will be terribly unbalanced, so, who cares about the CD in different game modes anyway?
Get real, folks, the diablo you all knew is dead, a few years ago i said right here in this forum that D3 had a pretty good chance of being blizzard first bust (i was flamed to death ofc), and what you know, its not even beta and its already looking that way.
Actually I don't care if I win or lose, only about having fun doing either thing.
I bet they can't have both modes at the same time for balance reasons. A skill (such as the 2 min cd ones mentioned by Blizz) might be possible to use once per round in last man standing, but in deathmatch that would equal many fights without having access to one of your most powerful skills. If they reduce the cooldown to suit deathmatch better then it might cause balance issues in last man standing.
They will alter cooldowns for PvP, but I doubt they would do it for each separate game mode since that would mean way too much confusion for casuals. And Diablo 3 is very directed towards casuals.
Im not asking for 10 game modes. I mean he said hes concidering capture the flag and a monster pvp mode.. I really, really dont think that making 1-2 or 1-3 pvp modes will be that challenging and as you noticed and or know, many people want it.. they dont diserve to be ignored.
I didn't have a problem with one death per round but I prefer respawns over it. What is better than killing someone once? Killing them twice. After that? Killing them thrice! Hat trick! That will get some people raging, looking forward to it.
I too think that blizzard should have kept in more options though. The game isn't out yet, so they can still put the one death per round in again if they want.
When u kill some1 9000 times in 1 min it gets boring really fast.
How would you know? You weren't invited to play the new PVP mode were you.. ? It's pretty stupid how all of you are "omg this sucks so bad boo hoo boo hoo", when you guys haven't even tried it out to determine how fun or not fun it is. If you don't like it, don't play it. Pretty simple if you ask me. :/
I didn't have a problem with one death per round but I prefer respawns over it. What is better than killing someone once? Killing them twice. After that? Killing them thrice! Hat trick! That will get some people raging, looking forward to it.
I too think that blizzard should have kept in more options though. The game isn't out yet, so they can still put the one death per round in again if they want.
When u kill some1 9000 times in 1 min it gets boring really fast.
How would you know? You weren't invited to play the new PVP mode were you.. ? It's pretty stupid how all of you are "omg this sucks so bad boo hoo boo hoo", when you guys haven't even tried it out to determine how fun or not fun it is. If you don't like it, don't play it. Pretty simple if you ask me. :/
we know how a PvP style works we have played other PvP games
I didn't have a problem with one death per round but I prefer respawns over it. What is better than killing someone once? Killing them twice. After that? Killing them thrice! Hat trick! That will get some people raging, looking forward to it.
I too think that blizzard should have kept in more options though. The game isn't out yet, so they can still put the one death per round in again if they want.
When u kill some1 9000 times in 1 min it gets boring really fast.
How would you know? You weren't invited to play the new PVP mode were you.. ? It's pretty stupid how all of you are "omg this sucks so bad boo hoo boo hoo", when you guys haven't even tried it out to determine how fun or not fun it is. If you don't like it, don't play it. Pretty simple if you ask me. :/
we know how a PvP style works we have played other PvP games
It's how TDM works. You have a set time in which to fight the other team and get as many kills as possible. It is much more of a Diablo/fast paced system than the previous set up they had presented.
I didn't have a problem with one death per round but I prefer respawns over it. What is better than killing someone once? Killing them twice. After that? Killing them thrice! Hat trick! That will get some people raging, looking forward to it.
I too think that blizzard should have kept in more options though. The game isn't out yet, so they can still put the one death per round in again if they want.
When u kill some1 9000 times in 1 min it gets boring really fast.
How would you know? You weren't invited to play the new PVP mode were you.. ? It's pretty stupid how all of you are "omg this sucks so bad boo hoo boo hoo", when you guys haven't even tried it out to determine how fun or not fun it is. If you don't like it, don't play it. Pretty simple if you ask me. :/
Because we've been playing D2 for over 11 years and we know exactly what to expect from D3 pvp?
Seriously, if you think D3 will be completely different from what we had in D2 then you really are being fanatic about it. D3 pvp as it is, is exactly the same as a Diablo 2 duel game, with one exception, there is no entrance/corpse to camp.
btw, that ''OMg iTs BlizzArd you noT EVen Plyaied the GaME yet NuuuB'' is the worst argument possible.
Get real, folks, the diablo you all knew is dead, a few years ago i said right here in this forum that D3 had a pretty good chance of being blizzard first bust (i was flamed to death ofc), and what you know, its not even beta and its already looking that way.
It's how TDM works. You have a set time in which to fight the other team and get as many kills as possible. It is much more of a Diablo/fast paced system than the previous set up they had presented.
It's how TDM works. You have a set time in which to fight the other team and get as many kills as possible. It is much more of a Diablo/fast paced system than the previous set up they had presented.
boring
Oh man. That sucks that a hobby you follow bores you. Maybe it's time to find a new one? Yeah?
It's how TDM works. You have a set time in which to fight the other team and get as many kills as possible. It is much more of a Diablo/fast paced system than the previous set up they had presented.
boring
Oh man. That sucks that a hobby you follow bores you. Maybe it's time to find a new one? Yeah?
Or maybe its time for you to respect other people opinions. Specially if they are a good one.
It's how TDM works. You have a set time in which to fight the other team and get as many kills as possible. It is much more of a Diablo/fast paced system than the previous set up they had presented.
boring
That is based on the public bad mannered duel game. Many pvpers did GOOD MANNERED team duels (4v4) which was last man standing. We want options, if the kiddies want to play TDM let them, when the men want to play LMS let them.
Atm they are only considering one game mode for launch as far as I know (TDM). Blizzard is not the kind of company who would just go "Hey, they want X mode, let's just throw it in there". No, they would make sure that it is properly done. I mean what is the point of CtF if it turns out that the only viable class is the Demon Hunter? They have to solve such issues without creating separate solutions for each mode since that is way too confusing.
But Jay said that pvp will be terribly unbalanced, so, who cares about the CD in different game modes anyway?
It will be terribly unbalanced, but they wouldn't even create a PvP mode in the first place if they didn't intend to make it playable. Balance issues is not normally a problem since the matchmaking system will find fair fights anyway, and that is why they have made it very clear that it won't be an eSport. In an eSport there are tournaments and rankings, and obviously the best builds that would be considered extremely OP would dominate. So when they say that it will be unbalanced they are not saying that it will be unplayable, and the will do their best to make sure that it is enjoyable as a casual game mode. Adjusting cooldowns and crowd control durations is a part of that.
Again. Diablo 3 is a casual game not a competitive game. Every choice Blizzard makes will be in favor of casual gameplay. If you want competitive gameplay you are looking at the wrong title, and arguing that Blizzard is making a mistake by not making it competitive is like arguing that IceFrog made a mistake by not making DotA casual.
LMS is something that was already in the game, I agree getting into objective based game types would get messy.
Diablo 2 was a casual game, but we were not restricted if we wanted to play competitively. D3 is restricting us.
Atm they are only considering one game mode for launch as far as I know (TDM). Blizzard is not the kind of company who would just go "Hey, they want X mode, let's just throw it in there". No, they would make sure that it is properly done. I mean what is the point of CtF if it turns out that the only viable class is the Demon Hunter? They have to solve such issues without creating separate solutions for each mode since that is way too confusing.
But Jay said that pvp will be terribly unbalanced, so, who cares about the CD in different game modes anyway?
It will be terribly unbalanced, but they wouldn't even create a PvP mode in the first place if they didn't intend to make it playable. Balance issues is not normally a problem since the matchmaking system will find fair fights anyway, and that is why they have made it very clear that it won't be an eSport. In an eSport there are tournaments and rankings, and obviously the best builds that would be considered extremely OP would dominate. So when they say that it will be unbalanced they are not saying that it will be unplayable, and the will do their best to make sure that it is enjoyable as a casual game mode. Adjusting cooldowns and crowd control durations is a part of that.
Again. Diablo 3 is a casual game not a competitive game. Every choice Blizzard makes will be in favor of casual gameplay. If you want competitive gameplay you are looking at the wrong title, and arguing that Blizzard is making a mistake by not making it competitive is like arguing that IceFrog made a mistake by not making DotA casual.
Honestly? If D3 will or not be an esport its not up for blizzard to decide.
I mean, i doubt there will be professional players like in sc2 with $200,000 tournaments, but pvp WILL be played competitively, IF there is a community to support it.
Take DOTA as an example, everytime a OP hero was released all the major leagues would put him under a banlist, in TF2 unbalanced items are banned from competitions, in D3 something like that may happen, with leagues banning OP skills, limiting the amount of legendaries, etc.
Get real, folks, the diablo you all knew is dead, a few years ago i said right here in this forum that D3 had a pretty good chance of being blizzard first bust (i was flamed to death ofc), and what you know, its not even beta and its already looking that way.
I didn't have a problem with one death per round but I prefer respawns over it. What is better than killing someone once? Killing them twice. After that? Killing them thrice! Hat trick! That will get some people raging, looking forward to it.
I too think that blizzard should have kept in more options though. The game isn't out yet, so they can still put the one death per round in again if they want.
When u kill some1 9000 times in 1 min it gets boring really fast.
How would you know? You weren't invited to play the new PVP mode were you.. ? It's pretty stupid how all of you are "omg this sucks so bad boo hoo boo hoo", when you guys haven't even tried it out to determine how fun or not fun it is. If you don't like it, don't play it. Pretty simple if you ask me. :/
we know how a PvP style works we have played other PvP games
HERPA DERPA
Uhh.. and your point being? Just because you've played other PVP games, it's going to be the exact same quality playing D3 PVP as it is in other games? Man you have some great analysis skills, let me tell you. I mean come on.. "Hey I've played other PVP games, so I know how sucky Diablo 3 PVP will be even though I've yet to play the PVP mode, or wait.. better yet! I've not even played Diablo 3, period!" <- How stupid do you sound?
I didn't have a problem with one death per round but I prefer respawns over it. What is better than killing someone once? Killing them twice. After that? Killing them thrice! Hat trick! That will get some people raging, looking forward to it.
I too think that blizzard should have kept in more options though. The game isn't out yet, so they can still put the one death per round in again if they want.
When u kill some1 9000 times in 1 min it gets boring really fast.
How would you know? You weren't invited to play the new PVP mode were you.. ? It's pretty stupid how all of you are "omg this sucks so bad boo hoo boo hoo", when you guys haven't even tried it out to determine how fun or not fun it is. If you don't like it, don't play it. Pretty simple if you ask me. :/
we know how a PvP style works we have played other PvP games
HERPA DERPA
Uhh.. and your point being? Just because you've played other PVP games, it's going to be the exact same quality playing D3 PVP as it is in other games? Man you have some great analysis skills, let me tell you. I mean come on.. "Hey I've played other PVP games, so I know how sucky Diablo 3 PVP will be even though I've yet to play the PVP mode, or wait.. better yet! I've not even played Diablo 3, period!" <- How stupid do you sound?
"HERPA DERPA" :/
Its a point to click with instant revives. Its not hard to understand mechanices when they are 100% discribed to you.
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Saying you dont want a very very populare game mode that belongs in the d3 series, just because you personally dont care about it, has to be the most ignorant and selfish things people can say. And if you think 1 death per character only per round makes this too competitive im sorry, im really sorry (I dont mean to troll) but you are a doofus.
Uhh.. and your point being? Just because you've played other PVP games, it's going to be the exact same quality playing D3 PVP as it is in other games? Man you have some great analysis skills, let me tell you. I mean come on.. "Hey I've played other PVP games, so I know how sucky Diablo 3 PVP will be even though I've yet to play the PVP mode, or wait.. better yet! I've not even played Diablo 3, period!" <- How stupid do you sound?
"HERPA DERPA" :/
U know its not so hard to understand what tdm is and what lms is. Only 1 sounding stupid here are you. Get real.
I didn't have a problem with one death per round but I prefer respawns over it. What is better than killing someone once? Killing them twice. After that? Killing them thrice! Hat trick! That will get some people raging, looking forward to it.
I too think that blizzard should have kept in more options though. The game isn't out yet, so they can still put the one death per round in again if they want.
When u kill some1 9000 times in 1 min it gets boring really fast.
How would you know? You weren't invited to play the new PVP mode were you.. ? It's pretty stupid how all of you are "omg this sucks so bad boo hoo boo hoo", when you guys haven't even tried it out to determine how fun or not fun it is. If you don't like it, don't play it. Pretty simple if you ask me. :/
we know how a PvP style works we have played other PvP games
HERPA DERPA
Uhh.. and your point being? Just because you've played other PVP games, it's going to be the exact same quality playing D3 PVP as it is in other games? Man you have some great analysis skills, let me tell you. I mean come on.. "Hey I've played other PVP games, so I know how sucky Diablo 3 PVP will be even though I've yet to play the PVP mode, or wait.. better yet! I've not even played Diablo 3, period!" <- How stupid do you sound?
"HERPA DERPA" :/
You dont seem to understand the concept of understanding how the pvp mechanics are going to work when they are discribed exactly for you is pretty easy. Diablo is point to click with skills and round revives, is it really that hard for you to understand how its going to work?
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Saying you dont want a very very populare game mode thats a tribute of the diablo way to fight (thats more competitive) just because you personally dont care about it, has to be the most ignorant and selfish things people can say.
I understand how the PVP mechanics are going to work perfectly fine. I also know what Diablo is and how it plays. I ALSO did PVP matches in Diablo 2 quite alot. I ALSOOO really don't understand how you've come under all these impressions that I don't get or understand any of these things.
So, let me start by saying that I never made any statement in regards to myself not wanting the "Wait for respawn" mode, it seems fun, although it seems more like an e-sport, which was exactly why it was removed in the first place since Jay stated that he wasn't making PVP into an e-sport. (Understand that?) Also I can't see how the currently implemented mode is much of a difference from the PVP in Diablo 2? You could instantly respawn in D2, the only thing was that you had to get your body to get your gear. Which in any case, this only took what.. ? About 30 seconds assuming that you had enough skill to pilot yourself around people trying to kill you. So let's compare.. a 30 second wait, compared to what could potentially be a 3 minute wait just to kill again? Yeah man, that seems appropriate and TOTALLY like PVP in D2!
I 'personally' think that the new method in PVP is going to much more fun. Yes, I do realize this method is not quite as challenging as the previous method, but still non-the-less I can picture it being just as fun, if not more. Come on now.. a continuous slaughterhouse of newbs? How does that NOT sound appealing?
Oh, and one last thing.. I never said I didn't care about it. What I was saying was more along the lines of, maybe you guys should be happy with what you have instead of what you don't, and stop crying like little school girls who just got gum in their hair. CUT IT OUT ALREADY!
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But Jay said that pvp will be terribly unbalanced, so, who cares about the CD in different game modes anyway?
Casual will pick: TDM
Real PvPers will pick: LMS
How would you know? You weren't invited to play the new PVP mode were you.. ? It's pretty stupid how all of you are "omg this sucks so bad boo hoo boo hoo", when you guys haven't even tried it out to determine how fun or not fun it is. If you don't like it, don't play it. Pretty simple if you ask me. :/
we know how a PvP style works we have played other PvP games
HERPA DERPA
Because we've been playing D2 for over 11 years and we know exactly what to expect from D3 pvp?
Seriously, if you think D3 will be completely different from what we had in D2 then you really are being fanatic about it. D3 pvp as it is, is exactly the same as a Diablo 2 duel game, with one exception, there is no entrance/corpse to camp.
btw, that ''OMg iTs BlizzArd you noT EVen Plyaied the GaME yet NuuuB'' is the worst argument possible.
That is based on the public bad mannered duel game. Many pvpers did GOOD MANNERED team duels (4v4) which was last man standing. We want options, if the kiddies want to play TDM let them, when the men want to play LMS let them.
LMS is something that was already in the game, I agree getting into objective based game types would get messy.
Diablo 2 was a casual game, but we were not restricted if we wanted to play competitively. D3 is restricting us.
Honestly? If D3 will or not be an esport its not up for blizzard to decide.
I mean, i doubt there will be professional players like in sc2 with $200,000 tournaments, but pvp WILL be played competitively, IF there is a community to support it.
Take DOTA as an example, everytime a OP hero was released all the major leagues would put him under a banlist, in TF2 unbalanced items are banned from competitions, in D3 something like that may happen, with leagues banning OP skills, limiting the amount of legendaries, etc.
Uhh.. and your point being? Just because you've played other PVP games, it's going to be the exact same quality playing D3 PVP as it is in other games? Man you have some great analysis skills, let me tell you. I mean come on.. "Hey I've played other PVP games, so I know how sucky Diablo 3 PVP will be even though I've yet to play the PVP mode, or wait.. better yet! I've not even played Diablo 3, period!" <- How stupid do you sound?
"HERPA DERPA" :/
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Saying you dont want a very very populare game mode that belongs in the d3 series, just because you personally dont care about it, has to be the most ignorant and selfish things people can say. And if you think 1 death per character only per round makes this too competitive im sorry, im really sorry (I dont mean to troll) but you are a doofus.
I understand how the PVP mechanics are going to work perfectly fine. I also know what Diablo is and how it plays. I ALSO did PVP matches in Diablo 2 quite alot. I ALSOOO really don't understand how you've come under all these impressions that I don't get or understand any of these things.
So, let me start by saying that I never made any statement in regards to myself not wanting the "Wait for respawn" mode, it seems fun, although it seems more like an e-sport, which was exactly why it was removed in the first place since Jay stated that he wasn't making PVP into an e-sport. (Understand that?) Also I can't see how the currently implemented mode is much of a difference from the PVP in Diablo 2? You could instantly respawn in D2, the only thing was that you had to get your body to get your gear. Which in any case, this only took what.. ? About 30 seconds assuming that you had enough skill to pilot yourself around people trying to kill you. So let's compare.. a 30 second wait, compared to what could potentially be a 3 minute wait just to kill again? Yeah man, that seems appropriate and TOTALLY like PVP in D2!
I 'personally' think that the new method in PVP is going to much more fun. Yes, I do realize this method is not quite as challenging as the previous method, but still non-the-less I can picture it being just as fun, if not more. Come on now.. a continuous slaughterhouse of newbs? How does that NOT sound appealing?
Oh, and one last thing.. I never said I didn't care about it. What I was saying was more along the lines of, maybe you guys should be happy with what you have instead of what you don't, and stop crying like little school girls who just got gum in their hair. CUT IT OUT ALREADY!