while reading the third book i saw that the called tyreal the angel of justice so that made me think that perhaps all of the angiris council had names similar to the evil demon lords Diablo lord of terror, baal lord of destruction etc...
so i just came up with a few ideas
Well tyreal is the angel of justice we all know that
Imperius he seemed to be in control and powerful so i would name him the angel of Order
Auriel seemed to be compassionate is many ways so i would give her the angel of Mercy
Malthael from the descriptions of the effect of his voice and his garments i would give him the angel of death
And Itherael their is not much information given to name him so it is difficult to name
Ya, that sounds pretty good, but wat would Inarius be? I really enjoyed the whole series and how it focused on the demons, mainly, in the first and second; then on the angels. it allowed you to learn more about each side. I also loved reading about the balance, what Zayl (hope you kno wat im talkin bout) practiced.
yes those angels are likley important...although we dont know if even those angels are even born yet(although they prolly are) cause we dont know how much time passes from the end of the book till when the prime evils are exiled to sanctuary cause the zakarum originates around this time
as for demons, in diablo and its been a while so forgive me if i forget anything, you have the Prime Evils (diablo, mephisto and Baal) and then you have the lesser evils, Andariel, Duriel, Belial and Azmodan.
I cannot recall a rank lower than Lesser, below lesser i think its just any powerful demon such as Listor the Tormentor or the Infector of Souls
Diablo, Lord of Terror (Metus)
Mephisto, Lord of Hatred (Odium)
Baal, Lord of Destruction (Exicidium)
Andariel, The Maiden of Anguish
Duriel, The Prince of Pain
Belial, Lord of Lies
Azmodan, Lord of Sin.
i find it odd that Andariel and duriel are referred too as the maiden and the prince repsectively and not "lord" like the others? they are the same rank as Belial and Azmodan yet they are not lords.
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I have to wonder if even the lesser evils are lower in rank than we might think. Isn't Lillith the mother of Andarial? and Lucion her brother, offspring of Mephisto? wouldn't they have higher ranks then the lesser evils? Of course this could be accounted for because Lillith is a rogue demon, and Lucion is now 'dead' but it strikes me that they aren't mentioned in the higher ranks of hell. So how come Mephisto is the only Prime Evil with known offspring?
(i know most of this is probably because of the development timeline of the story, but it still strikes me that there has been no discussion of Lucion, and Lillith's ranks. Also where do Gulag and Astrogpha (spelling?) fit into the ranks, seeing as they are Diablo and Baal's lapdogs)
Lilith and Lucion are both offspring of Mephisto, so they would fall somewhere between Prime and Lesser Evils. However they were exiled from Sanctuary, so I don't exactly think they matter anymore.
As for Gulag and Astropha (I think) They may have been the Lesser Demons of that time, Remember that the Sin War is set several thousand years before the events of Tristram. Duriel, and Azmodan may have been spawns of Diablo or Baal, maybe grandchildren even. After all, Andariel is the grandaughter of Mephisto.
And please refrain from giving out spoilers about the story, there are those among us that have not yet read the books. I won't point out which parts are spoilers, just try and keep it low. I know Elfen still can't get his hands on the books because they have'nt yet arrived to New Zealand.
Diablo, Lord of Terror (Metus)
Mephisto, Lord of Hatred (Odium)
Baal, Lord of Destruction (Exicidium)
Andariel, The Maiden of Anguish
Duriel, The Prince of Pain
Belial, Lord of Lies
Azmodan, Lord of Sin.
i find it odd that Andariel and duriel are referred too as the maiden and the prince repsectively and not "lord" like the others? they are the same rank as Belial and Azmodan yet they are not lords.
Hmm, I suppose Andariels is more fitting to her since I assume she is in essence a female. Duriel could be the prince because he is the youngest of the Lesser Evils, but that's just speculation on my part.
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Isn't Lillith the mother of Andarial?
It does indeed say that in the Arreat Summit. Seems kind of strange to me though. I just figured Lilith was a rogue demon of Hell, not one to actually spawn a Lesser Evil. All this talk makes me wonder exactly how the Lesser Evils fit into all this. Have they always served a specific purpose in Hell since the moment of their creation? Or were they demons that worked their way up through the ranks and eventually given their titles and positions?
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Agreed. Spoiler warnings are always good to put in there. I haven't started the third book yet.
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My opionion is that both belial and azmodan are more powerful than duriel and andariel so that is why i think they hold the title of lords
my opionion basis
Both duriel and andariel returned to the prime evils sides during d2 wether they did this willingly or not is really irrevalvent
After the prime evils were exiled azmodan fought belial over ownership of hell and it does not say that the other evils got any claim over hell leading me to believe that they held more influence and power
Angel of Justice is a title. Tyrael's rank is Arch Angel.
This is what i meant really as the demons titles of lord of terror(diablo)..etc are also only titles because their rank is as you said a prime evil......i think it is fitting that angels should also have titles as in make things more interesting and it also seems that it would give them some power and ability....as in the books you see that both mephisto and diablo have the ability to instill fear/hatred into those near them....while it is more likley that these titles were given to them after their enemies encountered them
IIRC, Ophanim and Thrones are the same thing and the other choir/order would be the virtues but there's a lot of different mythologies.
Anyways, what strikes me as odd is that Tyrael is considered the Angel of Justice. Angels of Justice would be the Thrones yet Tyrael is cleary not a Throne. The first sphere (Seraphim, cherubim, thrones) deal mostly with God and the Heavens while the third sphere (principalities, archangels, guardian angels) deal with mankind which would be most fitting for Tyrael.
I'm probably looking into things too hard but does anyone know if Duriel and Andariel were once angels? Probably just another coincidence, but usually when a name ends in "el" it means The Lord/God like in most of the Diablo and Christian archangels.
perhaps belial and azmodan have the lord title because they exiled the prime evils and took for themselves the "lord" title...
maybe tyrale is a throne and that's why he has so many problems because he's constnt contact with humans... perhaps he's not supoused to have it, yet he does...
IIRC, Ophanim and Thrones are the same thing and the other choir/order would be the virtues
sorry bout that, i was remembering them by wrote memory. ill edit my first post so it is correct
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-Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's First Law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world's one, and only, truth.
IIRC, Ophanim and Thrones are the same thing and the other choir/order would be the virtues but there's a lot of different mythologies.
Anyways, what strikes me as odd is that Tyrael is considered the Angel of Justice. Angels of Justice would be the Thrones yet Tyrael is cleary not a Throne. The first sphere (Seraphim, cherubim, thrones) deal mostly with God and the Heavens while the third sphere (principalities, archangels, guardian angels) deal with mankind which would be most fitting for Tyrael.
I'm probably looking into things too hard but does anyone know if Duriel and Andariel were once angels? Probably just another coincidence, but usually when a name ends in "el" it means The Lord/God like in most of the Diablo and Christian archangels.
NOw this is a theory which is new to me. Izzy became currupt so why couldnt they as well, Hmmm.
I think if any of the angels in the game were thrones or seraphs they'd be depicted more realistically. Thrones, Seraphs, and Cherubs don't look anything like the lesser angels or humans.
Also, in reply to another post, Duriel is NOT prince of pain, but lord of pain. Checked it in the Diablo 1 manual. This would leave only andariel with a different title of maiden, obviously to distinguish her as a female demon. http://www.planetdiablo.com/diablo/act/story/
some sources say Lord, some say Prince. Diablo II strategy guide says Prince of Pain, Arreat Summit says Lord of Pain. one or two others say prince too.
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-Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's First Law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world's one, and only, truth.
Anyways, what strikes me as odd is that Tyrael is considered the Angel of Justice. Angels of Justice would be the Thrones yet Tyrael is cleary not a Throne. The first sphere (Seraphim, cherubim, thrones) deal mostly with God and the Heavens while the third sphere (principalities, archangels, guardian angels) deal with mankind which would be most fitting for Tyrael.
What is most likely true is that the High Heavens are not a perfect reflection of Christian ideas. The Angiris council seems, for all intents and purposes, to be the ruling council of angels. They alone decide te fate of Sanctuary and are allowed to make pacts with Mephisto without fearing any form of "higher" retribution. This Archangels are probably as high up as it goes.
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I think in Diablo angels are just ranked into normal angels (seraphim) and arch angels, with the angiris council being the supreme collective of arch angels. Other archangels who are still very powerful but not as much as the angiris archangels would include izual , yaerius , and inarius (tyrael's brother).
Inarius was part of the Angiris council though, correct? That's what inferred from the second book somewhere. If he was though, it would be strange indeed, for that would make six angels in a council. Five or seven makes much more sense.
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Their powerer, as a council, is to rule amongst all the angels. They're all kings in equal power ruling over the same country.
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didnt it say somewhere that if they judge it, beings can be completly deleted from excistence or something like that, if this is true why do they not just do it to the prime evils.
That was strictly referring to Sanctuary and not all of existence. I'm guessing that with Inarius shackled and Uldyssian dead, they're the ones holding the upper hand compared to Hell.
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do the 3 prime evils=the council in power? since even one of them, lord mephisto did not seem afraid to approach the council so suddenly, he even seemed to sound to me like he wouldnt flee if a battle would commence, also whats the little orbs that shrink people and are then thrown into the void, what are they made out of, glass? frost? i mean if certain beings cant break them, what does it take to break them? a special force.
Tyrael fought with Diablo within Tal Rasha's Tomb as we all know, and it seemed to be a pretty equal battle. Was Diablo going all out though? We also know from the third book now that he's very powerful when utilizing fear.
I believe there's going to be a lot of retcon once D3 comes out to adjust the stories laid down in the first two games.
The orbs? They're not actually made out of matter as I see it. In fact, I don't think anyone is really out there in the void in their own flesh, rather it's sort of a sensation. Or for lack of a better explanation, the orbs are manifested through magic.
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Good luck seeing that happening. They started their own WoW encyclopaedia a year ago, and it still only has somewhere around 10 articles in it.
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Can the Anguris council stop time? or did Uldyssian do it? when everyone froze i mean, i think Uldysian may have done it and it seemed to happen when he willed it, but the Council chose some of the Edyrem it seems to not be frozen when Rathma says about how they are chosen to listen, so perhaps teh council can do this.
That was a strange part for me as well. I don't remember the exact chain of events, but I'd guess the Angiris council (and most likely the Three) share some sort of link with their own worlds, the High Heavens and Burning Hells respectively, making them not fully as affected as the regular angels, demons and men.
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Just makes me wonder if the Angels seem so powerful ime surprised they dont defeat the prime evils who have not shown so much power imo
What we've seen of the Three so far is only Diablo, and he had to mask his presence during most of the visit to prevent anyone from noticing. Tyrael did the same in the beginning, but the Angiris council has no need for such precautions in the end when Sanctuary is alreadydiscovered and Inarius captured.
The interesting aspect though is that we, as player characters, are immensely powerful if we can kick Prime Evil ass. Are we connected to the World Stone like Uldyssian in Diablo 1&2, and if so, what does that mean for D3?
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hmm i thought as much but i was more referring to their power overall as in abilities, like stopping time.
That's pretty hard to answer, seeing as we've only seen them in one chapter.
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Hmm well take into account that this is weakened diablo, the only diablo we see in the games is the weak one after his the three prime evils banishment and their bodies destroyed, its likely that after that they are incredibly weakened so it can still make sense but yes i belive there will be a masive retcon
Tyrael probably wasn't in his prime (;)) either, but it's hard to guess just what would have weakened him. Perhaps some internal pact amongst the Angiris members, or maybew he was trying to hide his presence.
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hmm well mendeln brings lilith and Rathma who are stuck in said orbs out from the void, they were not actually present in Sanctuary so it must be more than a sensation
He doesn't bring them out of the void, he goes to the void and finds them there. As for how Rathma is freed, I imagine as soon as his prison is shattered, he instantly leaves the void.
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hmm well as players i dont know, wether the characters in diablo are connected to the worldstone or not ime not sure but it doesnt matter anymore does it lol, the things smashed. But i dont think any players in true canon could reach the power to beat on a prime evil when hes at full power, for example even Uldyssian doesnt exactley beat Diablo truly, although theres that odd part where Diablo is sent terrified by his own power, one would think he has control and understanding of his own powers especially considering his status and possible age.
Right, that to me felt slightly ridiclulous. I do think Uldyssian, during taht very short period right after he beat Inarius could have killed all of the Prime Evils outright. But prior to that moment, hardly.
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so i just came up with a few ideas
Well tyreal is the angel of justice we all know that
Imperius he seemed to be in control and powerful so i would name him the angel of Order
Auriel seemed to be compassionate is many ways so i would give her the angel of Mercy
Malthael from the descriptions of the effect of his voice and his garments i would give him the angel of death
And Itherael their is not much information given to name him so it is difficult to name
there are 9 ranks of Angels
but as to whether all 9 are in diablo i cant be sure, but several of them are. Angel, Arch Angel and Seraphim are mentioned in Diablo lore.
the nine ranks of angel are as follows;
Seraphim
Cherubim
Orphanim
Virtues
Dominions
Principalities
Powers
Arch Angel
Angel
as for demons, in diablo and its been a while so forgive me if i forget anything, you have the Prime Evils (diablo, mephisto and Baal) and then you have the lesser evils, Andariel, Duriel, Belial and Azmodan.
I cannot recall a rank lower than Lesser, below lesser i think its just any powerful demon such as Listor the Tormentor or the Infector of Souls
Diablo, Lord of Terror (Metus)
Mephisto, Lord of Hatred (Odium)
Baal, Lord of Destruction (Exicidium)
Andariel, The Maiden of Anguish
Duriel, The Prince of Pain
Belial, Lord of Lies
Azmodan, Lord of Sin.
i find it odd that Andariel and duriel are referred too as the maiden and the prince repsectively and not "lord" like the others? they are the same rank as Belial and Azmodan yet they are not lords.
I have to wonder if even the lesser evils are lower in rank than we might think. Isn't Lillith the mother of Andarial? and Lucion her brother, offspring of Mephisto? wouldn't they have higher ranks then the lesser evils? Of course this could be accounted for because Lillith is a rogue demon, and Lucion is now 'dead' but it strikes me that they aren't mentioned in the higher ranks of hell. So how come Mephisto is the only Prime Evil with known offspring?
(i know most of this is probably because of the development timeline of the story, but it still strikes me that there has been no discussion of Lucion, and Lillith's ranks. Also where do Gulag and Astrogpha (spelling?) fit into the ranks, seeing as they are Diablo and Baal's lapdogs)
As for Gulag and Astropha (I think) They may have been the Lesser Demons of that time, Remember that the Sin War is set several thousand years before the events of Tristram. Duriel, and Azmodan may have been spawns of Diablo or Baal, maybe grandchildren even. After all, Andariel is the grandaughter of Mephisto.
And please refrain from giving out spoilers about the story, there are those among us that have not yet read the books. I won't point out which parts are spoilers, just try and keep it low. I know Elfen still can't get his hands on the books because they have'nt yet arrived to New Zealand.
It does indeed say that in the Arreat Summit. Seems kind of strange to me though. I just figured Lilith was a rogue demon of Hell, not one to actually spawn a Lesser Evil. All this talk makes me wonder exactly how the Lesser Evils fit into all this. Have they always served a specific purpose in Hell since the moment of their creation? Or were they demons that worked their way up through the ranks and eventually given their titles and positions?
Agreed. Spoiler warnings are always good to put in there. I haven't started the third book yet.
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my opionion basis
Both duriel and andariel returned to the prime evils sides during d2 wether they did this willingly or not is really irrevalvent
After the prime evils were exiled azmodan fought belial over ownership of hell and it does not say that the other evils got any claim over hell leading me to believe that they held more influence and power
This is what i meant really as the demons titles of lord of terror(diablo)..etc are also only titles because their rank is as you said a prime evil......i think it is fitting that angels should also have titles as in make things more interesting and it also seems that it would give them some power and ability....as in the books you see that both mephisto and diablo have the ability to instill fear/hatred into those near them....while it is more likley that these titles were given to them after their enemies encountered them
Anyways, what strikes me as odd is that Tyrael is considered the Angel of Justice. Angels of Justice would be the Thrones yet Tyrael is cleary not a Throne. The first sphere (Seraphim, cherubim, thrones) deal mostly with God and the Heavens while the third sphere (principalities, archangels, guardian angels) deal with mankind which would be most fitting for Tyrael.
I'm probably looking into things too hard but does anyone know if Duriel and Andariel were once angels? Probably just another coincidence, but usually when a name ends in "el" it means The Lord/God like in most of the Diablo and Christian archangels.
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maybe tyrale is a throne and that's why he has so many problems because he's constnt contact with humans... perhaps he's not supoused to have it, yet he does...
sorry bout that, i was remembering them by wrote memory. ill edit my first post so it is correct
NOw this is a theory which is new to me. Izzy became currupt so why couldnt they as well, Hmmm.
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some sources say Lord, some say Prince. Diablo II strategy guide says Prince of Pain, Arreat Summit says Lord of Pain. one or two others say prince too.
Inarius was part of the Angiris council though, correct? That's what inferred from the second book somewhere. If he was though, it would be strange indeed, for that would make six angels in a council. Five or seven makes much more sense.
That was strictly referring to Sanctuary and not all of existence. I'm guessing that with Inarius shackled and Uldyssian dead, they're the ones holding the upper hand compared to Hell.
Tyrael fought with Diablo within Tal Rasha's Tomb as we all know, and it seemed to be a pretty equal battle. Was Diablo going all out though? We also know from the third book now that he's very powerful when utilizing fear.
I believe there's going to be a lot of retcon once D3 comes out to adjust the stories laid down in the first two games.
The orbs? They're not actually made out of matter as I see it. In fact, I don't think anyone is really out there in the void in their own flesh, rather it's sort of a sensation. Or for lack of a better explanation, the orbs are manifested through magic.
Good luck seeing that happening. They started their own WoW encyclopaedia a year ago, and it still only has somewhere around 10 articles in it.
That was a strange part for me as well. I don't remember the exact chain of events, but I'd guess the Angiris council (and most likely the Three) share some sort of link with their own worlds, the High Heavens and Burning Hells respectively, making them not fully as affected as the regular angels, demons and men.
What we've seen of the Three so far is only Diablo, and he had to mask his presence during most of the visit to prevent anyone from noticing. Tyrael did the same in the beginning, but the Angiris council has no need for such precautions in the end when Sanctuary is alreadydiscovered and Inarius captured.
The interesting aspect though is that we, as player characters, are immensely powerful if we can kick Prime Evil ass. Are we connected to the World Stone like Uldyssian in Diablo 1&2, and if so, what does that mean for D3?
Tyrael probably wasn't in his prime (;)) either, but it's hard to guess just what would have weakened him. Perhaps some internal pact amongst the Angiris members, or maybew he was trying to hide his presence.
He doesn't bring them out of the void, he goes to the void and finds them there. As for how Rathma is freed, I imagine as soon as his prison is shattered, he instantly leaves the void.
Right, that to me felt slightly ridiclulous. I do think Uldyssian, during taht very short period right after he beat Inarius could have killed all of the Prime Evils outright. But prior to that moment, hardly.