got kicked out thx lizard squad and thx blizzard for making this online game
sigh..... shut up, its not blizzards fault.
It is if he's trying to play solo but can't because of DRM bullshit.
You see how it went with consoles? You see how fast they got infested with cheat items and dupes? Do you want that bullshit online, especially now we get some sort of competetive play?
Shut up.
Then have closed and open realms, it's that simple. No need to get personally offended bro. Take a chillaxative.
got kicked out thx lizard squad and thx blizzard for making this online game
sigh..... shut up, its not blizzards fault.
It is if he's trying to play solo but can't because of DRM bullshit.
You see how it went with consoles? You see how fast they got infested with cheat items and dupes? Do you want that bullshit online, especially now we get some sort of competetive play?
Shut up.
Then have closed and open realms, it's that simple. No need to get personally offended bro. Take a chillaxative.
To put it simply; Having a closed and open realm while simultaneously keeping the security that D3 currently has requires Blizzard to quite literally re-make diablo 3, as far as the game's architecture and code goes.
If they simply made an offline mode, then everyone would HAVE to have access to the entire game, including server side code, which would result in a matter of hours dupes / hacks and cheats galore for online, such like D2.
so tempted to comment and teach people.. but my logic prevents me.. i'm amazed by how many people here comment without knowing the slightest things about networking and so on.. this is a new low, but hey, yelling the same shit louder, wins the day.. right?
Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back.
Hey, if you have actual knowledge to share, please do. Of course there's some folks who think they know what they're talking about, but there are many more that want to know more about these issues quite humbly. As well, there are many that would likely teach you a thing or two. It's a good conversation to have, because from what I've read, this sort of thing is becoming more and more popular.
Myself, I barely know how to plug my cables in correctly.
please, dont do that with the silly pun, its just unnecesary.. maybe my comment was as well, I had hoped it would make some people think again before they actually wrote in a logical topic. where people just say stuff, then say it again in another way, then start yelling it.. and so on..
Yeah, i do hold actual knowledge, since i work in the field and manage networks daily. If YOU wish to know more about this subject quietly and humbly, then i suggest you go google, and everytime you meet a term in networking u dont know, you look it up. I will NOT sit and make a wall of text about networking and what protocols etc does.. I'm sorry, but i dont have the time nor the lust to do so. I really hope you can understand that, im not your teacher
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p.s
to anyone in this point saying companies need to do more, mark my words right now: if YOU want a company to have better internet security, they are gonna HAVE to take the money from somewhere else, maybe the development department or so on.. so ask ur self again.. do you want a company like blizzard to stop developing or do you want them to buy more internet security (and this is NOT a 1-time expense, its gonna be every single fucking day, making sure you are on the cutting edge of any milicious software or ddos attacks..
shit, sometimes i think people fail to think beyond their own nosetip..
No offense but could you try to be just a little bit less condescending.
Do you actually know how much implementating security costs ? You make it sound like it is totally unaffordable. Blizzard isn't a small company with 10 developers and 1000 users with no annual profit.
If all you're gonna do is demean others by calling them stupid and ignorant, you might as well not even waste your time posting in the thread. You were the one who made a post pretending to know everything in the first place, so I find it odd that you were "met with stupidity". If you are going to do that, take shots at the community as a whole, and not "waste your time" to at least give some basic arguments to explain yourself, be prepared to meet some strong resistance to your comments. Because some members of the community are pretty smart and not very fond of empty posts attacking them.
shit, sometimes i think people fail to think beyond their own nosetip..
so tempted to comment and teach people.. but my logic prevents me.. i'm amazed by how many people here comment without knowing the slightest things about networking and so on.. this is a new low, but hey, yelling the same shit louder, wins the day.. right?
Personally, over the years, the people I've met with that kind of attitude were actually afraid of saying what they think and using their arguments, because they are usually picked off one by one by more knowledgeable guys. I've seen people act like they know everything about my country's laws and when it came to actually proving it, they showed their knowledge was as basic as it got - because, newsflash, working on something for 20~ years doesn't guarantee that you actually know a subject's most vanguardist info or understanding.
Yeah, i probably could.. but when you are met with such stupidity, i dont feel the need to further explain my self.. and its the same attitude i see in all topics: people dont want to read up on stuff, but they expect the proffesionals, who have spend years of their life studying it, to explain it to them without any work at all...
Maybe there's a reason for that. Maybe with the way things currently work people don't have thousands of hours to put in a scientific area getting to know everything there, every little piece of knowledge available, in a PhD level. Some people don't even know what a mouse is, some don't know the basics of assembling a computer, some know the basics of how things work, but not how advanced networking works. There isn't a "black and white" level of knowledge on things, there are hundreds, thousands of grey levels in between. It's not like "you either know something or don't", you can have a basic knowledge, a slightly advanced one, or be the most knowledgeable person in the subject in the planet. I doubt you qualify for this last one to act like it.
It's normal for people, when talking with other people about a subject, to friendly explain to them why (with all their alledged knowledge) they think the others are wrong. What isn't normal is calling others, who are having a friendly conversation on a subject, stupid, only because they haven't dedicated 20+ years of their life studying a certain area of human knowledge.
Following your logic, whenever we're in a friendly conversation circle, we should belittle everyone else who doesn't have a phd level of knowledge on our areas, be it medicine, pharmaceutics, engineering (all 500 types of engineering), oh soccer/baseball/basketball as well (because some of us know every single thing there is to know about our favorite sport, but others are just "stupid" and should "google it"), or on beers, or wines, or on house decoration, because whoever doesn't know everything about the subjects WE are personally interested in is stupid, right? .... :facepalm:
Anyways, whatever you're gonna say from now on, refrain from making offensive posts and taking free pot shots at the community (which hasn't done anything to you). You're not gonna get infracted for the clear ones so far, as I figured maybe an actual post addressing some of your "concerns" would have a better effect than a random infraction, but I won't just sit here and watch you do it over and over again.
p.s yes the tone should be proper and i should refrain from speaking like that, so my appoligies to anyone i maybe offended But please, i beg you, both for me and you, work a little bit here in life if you want some information, dont expect it to be dropped in ur lap every time i dont mean any harm by this, its just an attitude i see more and more :(!!!
Instead of writing "appoligies to anyone i maybe offended ;)", how about work a little bit on not offending people? I am pretty sure that's what the mod is referring to when he took issues with your post. We can't infer whether you have the credentials/experiences you claim you have, but we can all infer that your post have done nothing to help resolving the issue on why shouldn't Blizzard spend more on security.
Assholes aside I think its another of a long laundry list of reasons why single player should be playable without requiring a connection to blizzard servers. I played diablo 2 in the middle of iraq back in the day, D3 I'd just be shit out of luck and bored.
I got home, dld'd the patch and got in maybe 15 minutes and kicked...
I can tell you this, no matter who's doing it, no matter whether ot not it's possible, practical, feasible, financially responsible to correct this issue, if it doesn't improve, and I mean markedly, there going to be a lot of income lost down the road as people will walk away.
Not a threat, not a bash, nothing more than an observation on the reality of it all. It needs to stop or people, with their limited attention span will simply look elsewhere.
Even if we did have single player on PC, I'm not sure it would make a difference. Pretty much everyone would still play online. And so when the servers go down, our main characters would be inaccessible. I suppose I could roll a single player character just to mess around with, and then completely abandon it until the next time the servers went down. Or I can just do what I normally do when servers go down: play other game.
Secondly, handling DDoS attacks is something you want to handle at the data center level, not at the individual server level. If all this bogus traffic hits your server, you're SOL. You want to use the network switches and firewalls to contain and drop the bogus traffic. Chances are Blizzard rents space at a top tier data center. So you have a combination of Blizzard's equipment and techs, the datacenter's equipment and techs, and the equipment and techs of the ISP feeding the data center. All three have to work together to analyze the attack and build an effective strategy against the DDoS. There's a reason why entire companies exist to audit and help prevent DDoS. If this was easy, Blizzard would have beaten it a long time ago.
Also, an effective (but not always possible or feasible) strategy for defeating DDoS is to find out the ISPs of the attacking zombie boxes and report it to that ISP. If the ISP is reputable, it wants that box quarantined so that it's own network isn't polluted with traffic. Many ISP are proactive about throttling or even disconnecting boxes that are spewing traffic (legitimately or not). (e.g., Go onto the network of a major US university, start port scanning, and see how fast you stay on the network.)
Reporting zombie networks takes time, particularly if they're in a foreign country and that countries' ISP are uncooperative. Then you have to go to the ISP where that traffic enters the US and see if you can get those IPs black listed there. Again, all this investigation and reporting takes time.
Yeah, i probably could.. but when you are met with such stupidity, i dont feel the need to further explain my self.. and its the same attitude i see in all topics: people dont want to read up on stuff, but they expect the proffesionals, who have spend years of their life studying it, to explain it to them without any work at all...
i have a fairly good understanding of what it will cost yes, and its not cheap(can i give you a rough estimate? no! that would depend on the complexity of the setup), especually not when its SEVERAL servers hosting d3, several proxies that divide it to the entire earth.. but yeah, lets go get too technical here..
I never made it sound unaffordable, i made it sound logical that money had to be taken from another department, to be invested in security.. and blizzard is a company, its made to make money, not cater all their profit into server security, cause some random tools can abuse an old "bottleneck" trick like ddoss'ing.
people are allways like "yeah blizzard earns tons ofmoney they can just use it on "random rubject" <--- no.. just no.. thats not how any of this works.. a company main goal is to make a steady revenue to make the shareholders happy.. not fucking use money on server security that isnt needed, if people could follow the law..
/pewpew
After reading your last post, I do not believe you have ever worked for a proper company or have any understanding of what is required to run a successful business.
Based solely on what's been written in this thread, I don't "believe" he has the education or the industry knowledge he claims. And he can retort to the end of time, it'll just reinforce my "belief". I agree p88.
Well I'm unable to play at all. My game always disconnects after about 5 minutes forcing me to Alt+F4 since I get stuck in a network black hole where the game still runs, but nothing responds. Yay for no offline mode which I've wanted since the announcement that there wasn't going to be one... Not only can I not enjoy Hardcore, but now I can't even enjoy the game at all. Pretty funny design decision there.
Yay for no offline mode which I've wanted since the announcement that there wasn't going to be one... Not only can I not enjoy Hardcore, but now I can't even enjoy the game at all. Pretty funny design decision there.
You can't enjoy the game because of a bunch of neckbeards.... not because of Blizzard.
This service does, in fact, work the vast majority of the time. I'm not sure why you're being so melodramatic about it. I really doubt PoE fans (who are also effected similarly by this DoS attack) are shitting their pants on the forums about online-only requirements ruining their lives. Only Diablo "fans" would use something like this to knock Blizzard.
Any other rational person sees this for what it is... a bunch of dickheads doing something quite illegal just to get their jollies. At least direct your anger at the people who deserve it.
Yay for no offline mode which I've wanted since the announcement that there wasn't going to be one... Not only can I not enjoy Hardcore, but now I can't even enjoy the game at all. Pretty funny design decision there.
You can't enjoy the game because of a bunch of neckbeards.... not because of Blizzard.
This service does, in fact, work the vast majority of the time. I'm not sure why you're being so melodramatic about it. I really doubt PoE fans (who are also effected similarly by this DoS attack) are shitting their pants on the forums about online-only requirements ruining their lives. Only Diablo "fans" would use something like this to knock Blizzard.
Any other rational person sees this for what it is... a bunch of dickheads doing something quite illegal just to get their jollies. At least direct your anger at the people who deserve it.
Actually the online only component of PoE is even worse than D3. its complete dog shit to be honest, for so many reasons from the incredibly tiny little desynch hiccups which take a piss in the face of a quality gaming session, to the most massive, like the inability to even play.
But yes this large scale attack really is steered away from the intricate focus on game-play quality because the attack is so blindingly nefarious.
Okay, around 8:30ish EST this crap seemed to try to start up again, and was briefly successful and quickly gone. So, while I was able to get right back in and play I DID lose an INFERNAL MACHINE.
Bashiok - Blizzard Representative - 08/01/2011 -"So how many skill combinations are there now? Well taking into account 6 active skills, all the rune combinations, and 3 passives we currently expect each class to have roughly 2,285,814,795,264 different build combinations."
"Hey, I thought you'd like the witty irony of grub-on-glowie violence!"
please, dont do that with the silly pun, its just unnecesary.. maybe my comment was as well, I had hoped it would make some people think again before they actually wrote in a logical topic. where people just say stuff, then say it again in another way, then start yelling it.. and so on..
Yeah, i do hold actual knowledge, since i work in the field and manage networks daily. If YOU wish to know more about this subject quietly and humbly, then i suggest you go google, and everytime you meet a term in networking u dont know, you look it up. I will NOT sit and make a wall of text about networking and what protocols etc does.. I'm sorry, but i dont have the time nor the lust to do so. I really hope you can understand that, im not your teacher
kind regards
/pewpew
p.s
to anyone in this point saying companies need to do more, mark my words right now: if YOU want a company to have better internet security, they are gonna HAVE to take the money from somewhere else, maybe the development department or so on.. so ask ur self again.. do you want a company like blizzard to stop developing or do you want them to buy more internet security (and this is NOT a 1-time expense, its gonna be every single fucking day, making sure you are on the cutting edge of any milicious software or ddos attacks..
shit, sometimes i think people fail to think beyond their own nosetip..
Do you not realize how horrible you sound?
I mean, this is how you respond to a post where I suggest that maybe you're being a bit too condescending? By really throwing your weight behind an even more condescending post?
Really? I didn't ask you to be my "teacher". I extended a chance for you to explain the technicals, if you so chose to. You have to actually prove you know what you're talking about, as opposed to just demanding people understand that you know what you're talking about.
If they simply made an offline mode, then everyone would HAVE to have access to the entire game, including server side code, which would result in a matter of hours dupes / hacks and cheats galore for online, such like D2.
Do you actually know how much implementating security costs ? You make it sound like it is totally unaffordable. Blizzard isn't a small company with 10 developers and 1000 users with no annual profit.
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Wise ElderIf all you're gonna do is demean others by calling them stupid and ignorant, you might as well not even waste your time posting in the thread. You were the one who made a post pretending to know everything in the first place, so I find it odd that you were "met with stupidity". If you are going to do that, take shots at the community as a whole, and not "waste your time" to at least give some basic arguments to explain yourself, be prepared to meet some strong resistance to your comments. Because some members of the community are pretty smart and not very fond of empty posts attacking them.
Personally, over the years, the people I've met with that kind of attitude were actually afraid of saying what they think and using their arguments, because they are usually picked off one by one by more knowledgeable guys. I've seen people act like they know everything about my country's laws and when it came to actually proving it, they showed their knowledge was as basic as it got - because, newsflash, working on something for 20~ years doesn't guarantee that you actually know a subject's most vanguardist info or understanding.
Maybe there's a reason for that. Maybe with the way things currently work people don't have thousands of hours to put in a scientific area getting to know everything there, every little piece of knowledge available, in a PhD level. Some people don't even know what a mouse is, some don't know the basics of assembling a computer, some know the basics of how things work, but not how advanced networking works. There isn't a "black and white" level of knowledge on things, there are hundreds, thousands of grey levels in between. It's not like "you either know something or don't", you can have a basic knowledge, a slightly advanced one, or be the most knowledgeable person in the subject in the planet. I doubt you qualify for this last one to act like it.
It's normal for people, when talking with other people about a subject, to friendly explain to them why (with all their alledged knowledge) they think the others are wrong. What isn't normal is calling others, who are having a friendly conversation on a subject, stupid, only because they haven't dedicated 20+ years of their life studying a certain area of human knowledge.
Following your logic, whenever we're in a friendly conversation circle, we should belittle everyone else who doesn't have a phd level of knowledge on our areas, be it medicine, pharmaceutics, engineering (all 500 types of engineering), oh soccer/baseball/basketball as well (because some of us know every single thing there is to know about our favorite sport, but others are just "stupid" and should "google it"), or on beers, or wines, or on house decoration, because whoever doesn't know everything about the subjects WE are personally interested in is stupid, right? .... :facepalm:
Anyways, whatever you're gonna say from now on, refrain from making offensive posts and taking free pot shots at the community (which hasn't done anything to you). You're not gonna get infracted for the clear ones so far, as I figured maybe an actual post addressing some of your "concerns" would have a better effect than a random infraction, but I won't just sit here and watch you do it over and over again.
Instead of writing "appoligies to anyone i maybe offended ;)", how about work a little bit on not offending people? I am pretty sure that's what the mod is referring to when he took issues with your post. We can't infer whether you have the credentials/experiences you claim you have, but we can all infer that your post have done nothing to help resolving the issue on why shouldn't Blizzard spend more on security.
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Wise ElderI've been on for 3 hours and no problems at all.
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I can tell you this, no matter who's doing it, no matter whether ot not it's possible, practical, feasible, financially responsible to correct this issue, if it doesn't improve, and I mean markedly, there going to be a lot of income lost down the road as people will walk away.
Not a threat, not a bash, nothing more than an observation on the reality of it all. It needs to stop or people, with their limited attention span will simply look elsewhere.
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Secondly, handling DDoS attacks is something you want to handle at the data center level, not at the individual server level. If all this bogus traffic hits your server, you're SOL. You want to use the network switches and firewalls to contain and drop the bogus traffic. Chances are Blizzard rents space at a top tier data center. So you have a combination of Blizzard's equipment and techs, the datacenter's equipment and techs, and the equipment and techs of the ISP feeding the data center. All three have to work together to analyze the attack and build an effective strategy against the DDoS. There's a reason why entire companies exist to audit and help prevent DDoS. If this was easy, Blizzard would have beaten it a long time ago.
Reporting zombie networks takes time, particularly if they're in a foreign country and that countries' ISP are uncooperative. Then you have to go to the ISP where that traffic enters the US and see if you can get those IPs black listed there. Again, all this investigation and reporting takes time.
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This service does, in fact, work the vast majority of the time. I'm not sure why you're being so melodramatic about it. I really doubt PoE fans (who are also effected similarly by this DoS attack) are shitting their pants on the forums about online-only requirements ruining their lives. Only Diablo "fans" would use something like this to knock Blizzard.
Any other rational person sees this for what it is... a bunch of dickheads doing something quite illegal just to get their jollies. At least direct your anger at the people who deserve it.
But yes this large scale attack really is steered away from the intricate focus on game-play quality because the attack is so blindingly nefarious.
I'm really a bit miffed on this....
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https://twitter.com/LizardSquad/status/505653324972974080
Bashiok - Blizzard Representative - 08/01/2011 -"So how many skill combinations are there now? Well taking into account 6 active skills, all the rune combinations, and 3 passives we currently expect each class to have roughly 2,285,814,795,264 different build combinations."
"Hey, I thought you'd like the witty irony of grub-on-glowie violence!"
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Wise ElderI mean, this is how you respond to a post where I suggest that maybe you're being a bit too condescending? By really throwing your weight behind an even more condescending post?
Really? I didn't ask you to be my "teacher". I extended a chance for you to explain the technicals, if you so chose to. You have to actually prove you know what you're talking about, as opposed to just demanding people understand that you know what you're talking about.
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